Pro and Con 807

Posted 9-22-01

My note: Watch world events closely. Pay attention to what people do, not just to what they say they will do. They can say one thing and intend to do another.
War Preparations in Israel -
9-21-01 - Without a word to the Israeli public, national emergency war preparations went into high gear Thursday afternoon, September 20.
DEBKAfile’s military sources report that hospitals were placed on the ready and medical teams ordered to stay on call. The military authorities warned hospital directors to prepare for a heavy intake of casualties. There was no answer to questions about whether the casualties would come from inside or outside the country – Israeli victims of military operations or enemy attack, or American troops injured after America’s war against terror is launched.
Israeli civilian airfields were also instructed to close down for civilian air traffic as of today, Friday, September 21. Israeli airlines, including the national carrier El Al, were ordered to begin transferring some of their aircraft to the military authorities.
Israel’s strategic supplies are also in the process of being moved to prepared underground shelters – especially the central oil, gas and petrol depot at Gelilot depot in North Tel Aviv, which is very close to densely inhabited residential areas and army bases....
DEBKAfile Intelligence Review is reporting that Israel took concrete steps beginning last night that can only be viewed as a prelude to all-out war. President Bush legitimized war against the Palestinians, for they are one of the world's greatest supporters of terrorism. Is this the beginning of the planned World War III, or the prelude to a sudden "peace" that internationalizes a sector within Jerusalem? Only time will tell.
When Bush's Deputy Defense Secretary say that America was going to "end states" that sponsor terrorism, did he just give Israel the green light to annihilate the Palestinians?
September 21, 2001, 4 Tishrei, 5761
The Israeli security cabinet has decided to uphold a new 'cease-fire' with the Palestinians, despite the killing of an Israeli woman yesterday in a drive-by shooting near Bethlehem. The cabinet decided not to retaliate or take other military action in order not to hinder US efforts to build an anti-terror coalition including Arab and Moslem states. "We must not disturb the Americans in any way," said Cabinet Minister Matan Vilnai.
Cheney Wants To Go After Hizbullah
Netanyahu warns against including PA, Syria, Iran, By Janine Zacharia
WASHINGTON 9-21-01 - Former prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu, testifying before the House Government Reform Committee, said yesterday that if the US includes terrorism-sponsoring regimes like Syria, Iran, or the Palestinian Authority in a coalition against worldwide terrorism, then the alliance "will be defeated from the beginning."...

Netanyahu counseled that the price of admission to the coalition should be the complete dismantling of terrorist networks within a country or entity's borders. For PA Chairman Arafat, that would mean crushing Hamas and Islamic Jihad, shutting down training camps for suicide bombers, and reining in Fatah fighters....
Pope Arrives in Kazakstan, a Country With Roots in Muslim and Christian Worlds,2933,34905,00.html
US Bereft of Arab Coalition After Saudi Arabia Backs out
9-22-01 - The United States has delayed the start of its offensive against Afghanistan and Osama Bin Laden, in retaliation for the terrorist strikes in New York and Washington, because of a dramatic turnaround of Arab support in the Middle East, DEBKAfile’s Gulf and Washington sources report.
Saturday afternoon, it became clear that events in Riyadh had dealt the final deathblow to the US Secretary of State, Colin Powell’s failed efforts to create an Arab front to bolster the Bush administration’s world war on terror.
The reason for King Fahd secret exit from Saudi Arabia, followed by a large royal party (see earlier DEBKAfile World Exclusive on this page), is believed by our most reliable sources to be a palace revolution sparked by differences in the royal family over support for the US offensive against Afghanistan, Osama Bin Laden’s terror network and other rogue targets. King Fahd and his Sudeiri faction, including defense minister Sultan, were in favor of letting the US place assault forces in forward bases on Saudi soil; the conservative, religious Crown Prince Abdullah, who runs the kingdom since King Fahd became ill, overruled him, backed by the religious establishment.

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Re: Pope Kisses Koran
What is wrong with this guy?!

My reply

There's mounting evidence for his being head of all religions rolled into one as the Tribulation begins. Below are some interesting parts of that article.

BTW, when dark background blanks out type, select the paragraph or page. The black type will become white so you can read it...
Ecumenism and Interfaith

...(17) Pope John Paul II Receives The Mark of "Aarti", A Prayer To The Hindu Goddess Durga
This is a photo of the pope receiving the mark of a prayer "aarti" to the Hindu female goddess Durga by a professing Christian Hindu woman. By the time this photo was taken, however, the pope had already been involved in a number of pagan rituals on his trip to India in 1986, including taking the mark of Shiva. Here is the documented quote: "Still at Madras on February 5, 1986, 'A sugarcane, fashioned into the form of a cross, signifying a Hindu offering to a carnal god, was brought into the presence of the Pope. A little later, during the offertory procession, a coconut was carried to the altar, a typical Hindu offering, which they offer to their idols. Finally, a man placed sacred ashes on his forehead. IT WAS NOT A MATTER OF TILAC BUT OF SACRED ASHES OR VIBHUTI. (*164) THREE DAYS EARLIER, ON FEBRUARY 2, HE HAD RECEIVED ON HIS FOREHEAD THE TILAC OR TIKA, THE RED POWDERY PASTE OF THE HINDUS, THE SIGN OF THE ADORERS OF SHIVA. (*165) *164 ‘Msgr.’ Lefebvre, op. cit. p.177. *165 La Croix of February 6, and 'I' Express' of February 7/13, 1986, with photo." The Catholic objections to this photo, and their deceptive tactics to try to hide what the pope did on the web, have unearthed even further evidence of the interfaith dabbling with demons by the papacy.

(18) Some Scandalous Photographs of John Paul II
More photos of compromising situations where the Pope is seen in a display of interfaith "unity" with those outside of what would be considered "Christian" circles. But, as you can clearly see, we are not talking about a Christian organization when we talk about the Vatican. We are talking about an apostate cultic version of "Christianity" that is trying desperately to position itself to ride the coming U.N. global government....

(45) The Pope Kissing The Qu'ran -
from Zenit/Rome News Report, 2000 Further photographic evidence of the inter-religious, interfaith agenda of the pope and the RCC....

(65) Lutherans Ready To Accept Pope As "Spokesman"
United Press International, 10/18/00 "Lutherans might be willing to accept the Pope as "spokesman for all Christianity worldwide," their leading prelate in Germany said Wednesday."...

(67) Heaven Open To Everyone, Says Pope
by Bruce Johnston in Rome, Electronic Telegraph, ISSUE 2023, 12-8-00
"THE Pope has amended a Vatican pronouncement that the Roman Catholic Church was the "only way to salvation", saying that Heaven is open to all as long as they are good."

My note: That falls far short of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Acts 4:12 says of "Jesus Christ of Nazareth" (v. 10), "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Just being good won't get us to Heaven.

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Greetings from near Seattle, Early Wed morning after the bombings I couldn't sleep and got up while it was still dark 4:40 i think, not long after I glanced out the window to the east and noticed that the 3rd quarter moon was just passing saturn and made what appeared to me to be the symbol of Islam as seen on top of their mosques.

I just wanted to share this with your readers and see if anyone else noticed this. I have been wondering if this had anything to do with the timing of the attacks.

I expected to hear mention of this on the network news but havent' heard a word so far. Thanks

My reply

I'll post this and see. I didn't see what you did. I went to bed too late to be up at that hour. There is a lot about this whole situation that doesn't appear on network news. I have to check the Internet before I go to bed each night to see what else is going on that "the media" hasn't told us. Agape

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From: Jim Bramlett
...If you do not get the photo, I have it posted on my Web site at
This will amaze you.

The September 11, 2001 tragedy at the World Trade Center was a wake-up call to America and many believe the beginning of a spiritual awakening in America.


This is amazing.

The above photo was on a brochure announcing the Rodney Howard Browne evangelistic crusade in New York City in the year 2000!

Was that prophetic, or what?

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Re: rapture
when do you think it will be now?

My reply

Don't know, but things are shaping up just like prophecy said they would. Keep watching. The Day of Atonement will be Sept. 27. Tabernacles will be Oct. 2-9. Cheshvan 17, when Noah entered Ark and the Lord closed the door will be Nov. 3. It seems that the Tribulation will begin Dec. 19, 2001, because that is 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14), counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning, before Apr. 6, 2008, when I think the Second Advent will come. If so, the Rapture will be between now and Dec. 19. Agape

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Re: booths
A most interesting thought!

If nothing happens by December, logically there are only 2 possibilities:

1) The 1260, 1290, and 1335 days run concurrently OR 2) A generation is longer than 40 years.

What do you think?

My reply

I think the 1260, 1290 and 1335 days of Dan. 12:7,11,12 do run concurrently. All 3 start Mid-Trib (when the False Prophet desecrates the temple) and terminate with different events. The 1260 days seems to end at the Judgment of the Nations. The 1290 adds 30 days for mourning the "goats" that are cast into "everlasting fire" (Mt. 25:31-41). The 1335 is when the resurrected Daniel will stand in his own plot of ground in Israel.

Because of Mt. 23:36's "this generation" being 40 years plus another 120 days, I expect "this generation" of Mt. 24:34 to be 40 years plus another 120 days. The generation of 23:36 seems to have run from Palm Sunday, when they refused Jesus as the king of Israel, in 30 AD to the burning of the temple on Av 10 in 70 AD. In 1967, the Jews took the temple area. They immediately gave the Palestinians rights over it. In effect, this was similar to refusing the Lord again. June 7, 1967 is already history. It is like a solid rock to measure from. That generation will see the destruction on the Day of God's Wrath. Forty years plus another 120 days is Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007).

The Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993, another historical rock to measure from. Adding the 7 good years and the 7 bad years brings us to Sept. 13, 2007. The Accords were ratified 3 days later in Israel, on Tishri 1, 5754. Adding the 7 good and 7 bad years brings us to Tishri 1, 5768, which is Sept. 13, 2007.

Ever since 5761 began Sept. 30, 2000, Israel has been dug about and dunged, as in the 4th year of the parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9. Israel has felt the brunt of it during this 1st of the 7 bad years. On Sept. 11, the WORLD Trade Center towers fell, demonstrating that we are in the 7 bad years. The event sent its own signals to the world. The towers formed the number 11. One was hit by American flight 11 on Sept. 11. The other tower was hit by a UNITED plane. The Tribulation will begin when a covenant is confirmed with many, i.e., with the UNITED nations of the WORLD.

The final year has to be a Jewish Leap Year, because there are 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13) between the Day of God's Wrath on Tishri 1 (Feast of Trumpets) and the return of Christ in glory on Nisan 1 (Eze. 29:17,21; Hos. 6:3). I think the Day of God's Wrath will be Tishri 1, 5768, which is a Leap Year. The 7 months of Eze. 39:12 can't fit between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1 one year sooner or one year later. It has to be a Leap Year. The Leap Years are years 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17 and 19 of their 19-year cycle. Year 3 was 5760 (1999/2000). Year 6 will be 5763 (2002/2003). Year 8 will be 5765 (2004/2005). Year 11 will be 5768, (2007/2008), the last year within the last generation of Mt. 24:34.

Since Peter mentioned "three tabernacles" (compare with 3rd heaven of II Cor. 12:2) at the Transfiguration (Mt. 17:4), let's see what happens during the Feast of Tabernacles, Oct. 2 - 9, 2001. Agape

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...on your front page you quoted, "...trial that is to come upon the WHOLE WORLD to try those that remain on Earth (Rev. 3:10)" Why does it say... those who remain...? Because some us were taken up and no longer remain on the Earth!!!!!! Hallelu-YAH

My reply

Those were my words, not a quote from the Bible. Here is the way Rev. 3:10 is translated in the Hebraic-Roots Version (HRV), "Because you have kept the word of my patience, I will keep you from the temptation that will come on ALL THE INHABITED EARTH, to prove all the inhabitants of the earth." (emphasis mine)

To me, it is simple. If we are to be kept from something that will come on "ALL THE INHABITED EARTH," we will not be on Earth at that time. Agape

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Re: Hey
Hey you shouldn't wait so long between post since the 18th has passed, I might think I missed the Rapture. I hoped you had it right. I'm really looking forward to it.

I haven't heard any one else say this but I thought it would be in 2002 because God always does things in sevens. So I thought that if you start at 1967 five (grace) times seven = 2002 and it is the last set of sevens that falls in the 40yr range. and maybe your 2007 date would still work if he shorten the trib. a year

I really enjoy reading your post and watching for the Rapture. Keep up the good work and don't feel bad. Yours in Christ

My reply

Re: Hey
Please forgive me. Let me tell you a bit about my day. BTW, I posted P & C 806 on Sept. 19. Since then, I have 17K on P & C 807 (too little) and 38.8K on P & C 808 (too much). The latter is all one email and reply. I have to cut it down to around 30K or it might get truncated going overseas. Lord willing, I will have one of these ready to UL tonight. Last night, I checked the news sites, went to bed around 1 AM and could not sleep. Finally got to sleep around 4 AM, slept till 9 AM. Had to hunt for Ed's new but misplaced SCAN HMO card this morning. After finding it, I got my e-mail, have just finished reading it, and it is 11:36 AM, about time to go to Jack in the Box for To-go lunch. I have to sandwich my replying to e-mail in between things Ed wants to do too. Hope you understand. I do the best I can.

I need time to gather verses having to do with the Feast of Tabernacles. I found something interesting in Ex. 23:16. It says, "And the feast of harvest (Pentecost), the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering (Tabernacles), which is in the END of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field." The word translated END is yatsa. Look at its meanings--ESCAPE, DEPARTING, BE RISEN, PLUCK OUT, DRAW FORTH, LEAD OUT. Wow! I can't wait to get back and study this some more. Tabernacles is Oct 2-9. Stay ready. Between now and Dec. 19 seems most likely for the Rapture. Watch world events closely, and try to read between the lines. What people do is not always what they say they will do. Shalom and agape

P.S: De:16:16 says, "Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God IN THE PLACE WHICH HE SHALL CHOOSE (Jerusalem, or New Jerusalem?); in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks (Pentecost), and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty."

John 14:2-4 says, "In my Father's house are many mansions (dwelling places): if it were not so, I would have told you. I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I WILL COME AGAIN, AND RECEIVE YOU UNTO MYSELF, THAT WHERE I AM, THERE YE MAY BE ALSO. And whither I go ye know (probably Saturn), and the way ye know."

Ex. 23:14-21. It says, "Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto me in the year. Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty:) And the feast of harvest [Pentecost], the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering (aciyph, gathering in of crops; Tabernacles), which is in the END (YATSA, ESCAPING, DEPARTING, RISING, PLUCKING OUT, DRAWING FORTH, LEADING OUT) of the year, when thou hast GATHERED (ACAPH, GATHERED, REMOVED, TAKEN UP) in thy labours out of the field. Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the LORD God....The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt BRING INTO THE HOUSE OF THE LORD THY GOD....Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and TO BRING THEE INTO THE PLACE WHICH I HAVE PREPARED (Heaven). Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him" (probably the Angel of the LORD, Christ).

The Hebrew acaph is also used in Isa. 57:1-3. It says, "THE RIGHTOUS PERISHETH (ABAD, ESCAPES, VANISHES), and no man layeth it to heart: and MERCIFUL MEN ARE TAKEN AWAY (ACAPH, GATHERED, REMOVED, TAKEN UP), none considering that THE RIGHTEOUS IS TAKEN AWAY (ACAPH, GATHERED, REMOVED, TAKEN UP, i.e., raptured), FROM THE EVIL TO COME. He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds (Psa. 149:5), each one walking in his uprightness. But draw near hither (the Tribulation is near), ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the whore."

Rev. 3:10,11 ties in with being kept "FROM THE EVIL TO COME." It says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I ALSO WILL KEEP THEE FROM THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION (PEIRASMOS, TRIAL), WHICH SHALL COME UPON ALL THE WORLD, TO TRY THEM THAT DWELL UPON THE EARTH. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown."

If we are to be kept FROM the trial that is to come on all that dwell upon the Earth, we are not on the Earth at that time.

His reply

Thank you very much for taking the time to answer my e-mail. I really hope it does happen between now and the end of the year. Oct 2-9 does sound good. I can't wait to get started on forever and see what God has in store for us. It should be breath taking. I'll be Watching and maybe some day our paths will cross and I can thank you in person. ---- in Florida

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Re: Feast of Tabernacles or "Booths"
Grace & peace to you from our Heavenly Father and Lord Jesus Christ.

I have been pondering the future fullfillment of the unfulfilled Feasts of Israel. As certain feasts have been perfectly fulfilled on their exact days(Unleavened Bread/Passover and Feast of Weeks), it seems that the raptures' of the Body of Christ and the second coming of Christ should each fulfill a feast. With the Feast of Trumpets past, I am looking at the Feast of Tabernacles of which Dueteronomy 16:13 says "You shall observe the Feast of Tabernacles or Booths for seven days after you have gathered in from the threshing floor & wine vat." One reference I was reading stated it was held as a thanksgiving for the "ingathering" or harvest. I also found it interesting that John 7 is set as the Feast of Tabernacles is drawing near and throughout its duration. John 7:37 "Now on the final and most important day of the Feast, Jesus stood, and He cried in a loud voice, If any man is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink!" Would you please review the various scriptures concerning the Feast of Tabernacles (Lev 23:34-44; Numbers 29:12-40) and let me know if you think the rapture might fulfill this Feast?

Also, I am curious to know if you know of any signifigance of the number of bulls sacrificed each day during the feast in decending order starting with thirteen down to seven on the seventh day, then one on the eight day. And why the number of rams and male lambs remains the same each day except for the eighth day.

Thank you once again for your and apparent love for the Lord and all His children and your willingness to pour yourself out for the growth of the saints. May His grace and peace be upon you and may He give you supernatural wisdom and insight as you apply yourself diligently to His Holy Word. In His precious love, maranatha

My reply

The Feast of Tabernacles has definite possibilities. I'll copy my reply to another e-mail about Tabernacles below.

The Transfiguration, as a type, also seems to be set at the time of the Feast of Tabernacles. In Mark 9:3f, Jesus appears in shining raiment as white as snow "as no fuller ON EARTH can white them." Therefore, this scene represents a heavenly one instead of an earthly one, just as Rev. 1:13-16 is a heavenly view of Christ at the time of the Rapture. Peter, James, and John were as if in Heaven with the Lord, so in type, the Rapture/Resurrection had already taken place. Moses and Elijah were already in Heaven. Peter said "let us make three TABERNACLES; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias." All 3 of those were pictured as if in Heaven.

Lev. 23:36 says, "Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a SOLEMN ASSEMBLY; and ye shall do no servile work therein."

This assembly ties in with Heb. 12:22-25. It says, "YE ARE COME UNTO MOUNT ZION, and unto the city of the living God, THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, and to an innumerable company of angels, TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY and church of the firstborn, which are WRITTEN IN HEAVEN, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things that that of Abel. See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven."

PS: I don't know anything special about those sacrifices. Agape...

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