Pro and Con 811

Posted 9-29-01

Saudi Reversal - Will Allow Use Of Bases
http://www.rense.com/general14/saudireversal.htm
9-28-1 LONDON (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia will allow its ally the United States to launch military action from a U.S. base on its territory against Islamic militant Osama bin Laden and his protectors in Afghanistan...
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Bin Laden's Secret Goal Is To Overthrow The House Of Saud
By Paul Michael Wihbey - Daily Telegraph - London
9-27-1 - http://www.rense.com/general14/saud.htm
Contrary to much of the conventional wisdom about Osama bin Laden, the Saudi fugitive is hardly a madman. In fact, he has developed a stunningly deceptive regional war calculus that stands a reasonable chance of success.

Despite the massive build-up of allied forces, bin Laden's strategy depends on a set of well-conceived geopolitical assumptions that he fervently believes can turn Western military capability to his strategic advantage.

His strongest belief is that Saudi Arabia can be brought to its knees, the House of Saud deposed and a new theocracy, based on his version of a pure and uncontaminated Islam, can rise to power in the Arabian peninsula. Hoping to seize state power as Ayatollah Khomeini did in Iran in 1979, bin Laden plans to use Afghanistan as a staging ground for self-declared leadership in exile. The overriding goal is to return to Saudi Arabia in triumph and put an end to the existing regime.

Incoming e-mail

Today I had the pleasure of attending a Bible class taught by David Bay (cuttingedge.org). During the class I mentioned the multiple rapture. This was new to him, and he asked me to send him an exegesis on it. While I think I can partially stumble through it on my own, and even though I know I have the exact Q&A archived somewhere on three computers with a combined 150 gigabyte capacity (whose jumbled contents at this point have become a complete mystery to me ... and it's all my own "stuff"), I wonder if I could prevail upon you to email David the appropriate Q&A and/or supplemental commentary you have developed since. His email address is: dbay@cuttingedge.org

As a matter of fact, if you would send me a copy of same so I can re-archive it somewhere where I can't possibly lose it, I'd appreciate it greatly. Thank you so much. Agape

My reply

Thank you for your faithfulness in posting to your web site. I sure enjoy "The Cutting Edge" articles. The Lord has given you keen discernment regarding the One World Government that will reign during the Tribulation and the movements that are bringing it to it's final form.

For at least the last 40 years, my main studies are of the Bible. I believe that there are two Raptures, one before the Tribulation and one just before the wrath of God strikes Earth. I call them the Pre-Trib Rapture and the Pre-Wrath Rapture. I can understand why some people think there will only be a Pre-Trib Rapture and others think there will be only a Pre-Wrath Rapture. To me, Scripture indicates both. The first is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37). No fire fell. The last is as the days of Lot. Luke 17:29 points out the difference, "the SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom, IT RAINED FIRE AND BRIMSTONE FROM HEAVEN, AND DESTROYED THEM ALL." That is exactly how it will be at the Pre-Wrath Rapture. The Tribulation saints will be caught up on the SAME DAY that the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 impact Earth. They will be saved so as by fire.

Since the asteroids hit at noon, the Pre-Wrath Rapture has to be before that. One of the asteroids is the "great mountain burning with fire (that) was cast into the sea" (Rev. 8:8). It strikes the Mediterranean Sea. Zeph. 2:1-5 says, "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired; Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER COME upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; SEEK RIGHTEOUSNESS, SEEK MEEKNESS: IT MAY BE YE SHALL BE HID IN THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER. FOR GAZA SHALL BE FORSAKEN, (no more terrorist attacks from Arafat) and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod AT THE NOON DAY, and Ekron shall be rooted up. WOE UNTO THE INHABITANTS OF THE SEA COAST."

In Luke 17:22-24, Jesus "said unto the disciples, The DAYS (PLURAL) will come, when ye shall desire to see ONE OF THE DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN (i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture), and ye shall not see it (i.e., if they are foolish virgins who will be left behind the first time). And they shall say to you (in the Great Tribulation), See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them (as in Mt. 24:26). For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day." Luke 17:26 says, "as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the DAYS of the Son of man."

The two silver trumpets the Lord had Moses make seem to be types of these two Raptures. These silver trumpets are different from the shofar trumpet that is sounded at all the feasts and the beginning of months. Nu. 10:1-4 says, "the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee TWO TRUMPETS OF SILVER; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest USE THEM FOR THE CALLING OF THE ASSEMBLY, AND FOR THE JOURNEYING OF THE CAMPS (PLURAL). And when they shall BLOW WITH THEM (BOTH), ALL THE ASSEMBLY SHALL ASSEMBLE themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And IF THEY BLOW BUT WITH ONE TRUMPET, THEN THE PRINCES, WHICH ARE HEADS OF THE THOUSANDS OF ISRAEL, SHALL GATHER THEMSELVES UNTO THEE."

At the first trump, the First Rapture will take place. It includes the 24 elders, the 12 patriarchs and 12 apostles of Israel. On the day of the Second Rapture, one trumpet will sound, calling all the saints scattered from one end of Heaven to the other to the general assembly in Heaven (Heb. 12:23). Then the last trumpet will sound, calling all the Tribulation saints to the general assembly.

Mt. 24:31 tells us about the saints in Heaven being gathered. It says, "he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

Mark 13:27 tells us about both those in Heaven being gathered and those on Earth being raptured. It says, "then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN."

Thus all the saints are gathered to the general assembly in Heaven before God's Wrath is unleashed on Earth. Heb. 12:22-24 says, "ye are come unto mount Sion (the heavenly one), and unto the city of the living God, the HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, and to an innumerable company of angels, TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge (at the Judgment Seat of Christ) of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant."

As the Judgment Seat of Christ takes place, all the saints, great or small, will get their rewards for their belief and their good works. At the same time, unbelievers on Earth will receive the wrath of God because of their unbelief. Rev. 11:18 says, "the nations were angry (Gog's army is attacking Israel, Eze. 38), and thy wrath is come (Eze. 38:18-20), and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (at the Judgment Seat of Christ), and that thou shouldest GIVE REWARD UNTO THY SERVANTS THE PROPHETS, AND TO THE SAINTS, AND THEM THAT FEAR THY NAME, SMALL AND GREAT; AND SHOULDEST DESTROY THEM WHICH DESTROY THE EARTH."

FIRST TRUMP OF GOD, THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE

I Thess. 4:15-17 says, "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (Old English for precede) them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

When one silver trumpet sounded, the twelve patriarchs of Israel gathered before the LORD. In the latter day corollary, the patriarchs are 12 of the 24 elders in Rev. 4:4. The 12 apostles are the other 12. All 24 Israelites are gathered and taken to the LORD at the Pre-Trib Rapture, when John is caught up to Heaven in Rev. 1. He is just one of the 24 elders sitting on their thrones in Rev. 4:4. This Pre-Trib Rapture is pictured when the LORD said, "IF THEY BLOW BUT WITH ONE TRUMPET, THEN THE PRINCES, WHICH ARE HEADS OF THE THOUSANDS OF ISRAEL, SHALL GATHER THEMSELVES UNTO THEE."

At the same time that the elders are caught up to Heaven, the wise Philadelphian virgins are caught up. Rev. 5:8-10 says, "...saints. And they (the saints) sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, over) the earth." The elders are all of one nation (Israel), but this group of saints is from every nation on Earth. They are in Heaven when Christ is given the Title Deed to the Earth. They are in Heaven before the 1st of the 7 seals is broken. They are there in Rev. 5:9, before the 1st seal is broken in Rev. 6.

This group of saints and elders is caught up when the FIRST "TRUMP OF GOD" SOUNDS. I Thess. 4:16,17 says, "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ (including worthy OT and NT saints) shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Isa. 57:1-3 also shows that the first Rapture takes place before the Tribulation, but when it is near. It says, "The righteous perisheth (abad, ESCAPETH), and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away (acaph, gathered, removed, taken up), none considering that THE RIGHTEOUS IS TAKEN AWAY (acaph) FROM THE EVIL TO COME. He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds (in glory, as in Psa. 149:5), each one walking in his uprightness. But draw near hither, ye SONS (the Beast and the False prophet) of the sorceress (harlot church), the seed of the adulterer and the whore" (the harlot church of the Tribulation).

Many will see the Pre-Trib Rapture take place. Psa. 40:1-3 says, "I waited patiently (patience is to be rewarded, as in Rev. 3:10) for the LORD; and he inclined (natah, came down) unto me, and heard my cry. He BROUGHT ME UP also (as Jeremiah was drawn up out of a pit with miry clay) out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay (i.e., out of Earth), and set (quwm, to lift up, set up) my feet upon a rock (the planet Heaven), and established my goings. And he hath put a NEW SONG (sung after the Rapture, Rev. 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT (the Rapture), AND FEAR, AND SHALL TRUST IN THE LORD."

LAST TRUMP OF GOD, THE PRE-WRATH RAPTURE

I Cor. 15:51-53 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." Where there is a last trump, there must also be a first trump. The last must be the last of a series. Otherwise "last" could be omitted. At the trump would do, but this says, "at the LAST TRUMP."

After the first group of saints are safely in Heaven in Rev. 4 and 5, Rev. 6 starts with the beginning of the Tribulation and ends when "THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME." That is 6 PM on the first day of the millennial Day of the LORD. Joel 1:15 says, "Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and AS A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY SHALL IT COME."

The 6th seal is broken in Rev. 6:12. That is the last day of this age. Before the 7th seal is broken in Rev. 8:1, releasing the 7 trumpet judgments on Earth on the first day of the Millennium, Revelation 7 takes place. Verse 1 says, "And AFTER THESE THINGS," after 6 PM on the first day of the Millennium, angels are seen holding back God's Wrath until the Tribulation saints can be caught up to Heaven. I Thess. 5:9 says, "God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation (soteria, RESCUE) by our Lord Jesus Christ." Rev. 7:3 says, "Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have SEALED THE SERVANTS OF OUR GOD IN THEIR FOREHEADS."

Eze. 9:4-6 tells of this same time. It says, "the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and SET A MARK UPON THE FOREHEADS of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. And to the others he said in mine hearing, GO YE AFTER HIM THROUGH THE CITY, AND SMITE: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: BUT COME NOT NEAR ANY MAN UPON WHOM IS THE MARK; and begin at my sanctuary." Rev. 7:4 tells us that 144,000 Israelites are sealed.

Rev. 7:9 again says, "AFTER THIS," after the 144,000 Israelites are sealed, "After this I beheld, and, lo, A GREAT MULTITUDE WHICH NO MAN COULD NUMBER, OF ALL NATIONS, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne (in Heaven, Rev. 4:2), and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes." One of the other elders said to John, also an elder, "What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I (John) said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God" (Rev. 7:13-15).

These are the living ones caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Wrath Rapture. There are probably OT saints that belong in this group that are resurrected at this time too. The living saints "have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." In other words, these once foolish Laodicean virgins have finally confessed their sins since accepting Christ to bring them all under the blood of Christ. They had to learn that lesson the hard way, but they do learn it. Jesus warned them, saying, "I counsel thee to buy of me gold (symbol of deity, i.e., the Holy Spirit) tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."

Also, in this last rank (I Cor. 15:23 has 'every man in his own order,' tagmati, rank) in the first resurrection, are those martyred for their faith. "And white robes were given unto every one of them" (Rev. 6:11).

This group is gathered up when the "last trump" sounds. I Cor. 15:51-53 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." The eternal life that has been promised us will become reality at that time. We will become immortal.

We see this last-trump group in Heaven again in Rev. 20:4,5. It says, "I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them (at the Judgment Seat of Christ): and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the BEAST, neither his image, neither had received HIS MARK UPON THEIR FOREHEADS, OR IN THEIR HANDS; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead (those who were not saved by accepting Christ/Yeshua) lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection." Agape

Incoming email

Re: anti-christ & false prophet
On P@C 809 you mentioned that "the beast may have already had an attempt made on his life" referring to the injury the cuurent pope suffered in 1981.

I thought (REV.13:12)was referring to the head injury that the anti-christ will suffer somewhere in the midst of the tribulation that allows him to mimic the ressurrection of Jesus and thus convinces most of the world he is the messiah. Also, I remember somewhere in the old testament (Daniel or Ezekial) that as a result of the injury he loses the use of one of his arms.

If this is the case, the current pope could not be the one Rev.13:12 is referring to. Also, isn't the anti-christ who appeares at the very beginning of the triblation a plitical/ military guy (DAN.11:36-45). Probably a major player in the EU, albeit still behind the scenes and biding his time. The false prophet's title implies a religious figure, probably a Jew and maybe even the pope, whoever he is during the tribulation. AGAPE p.s. still looking up!

My reply

Here is how I see it. In Rev. 13, we have two world leaders, THE BEAST and ANOTHER BEAST. The Beast is in full power during the first half of the Tribulation. The False Prophet rules during the Great Tribulation, the last half of the Tribulation, the section that is to be shortened or no flesh would be saved (Mt. 24:21,22).

I think the first beast is a Pope, THE BEAST of Rev. 20:10. He comes up out of what is called the Holy See, "and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations" (Rev. 13:7). He is made head of the UN and UR after the Pre-Trib Rapture takes place, for he blasphemes "them that dwell in heaven" (Rev. 13:6). I wonder how he will explain why he was left behind at the Rapture. In trying to explain that, he will probably blaspheme.

Rev. 13:1 shows that upon all 7 heads of the great red dragon is "the name of blasphemy," the title "Pontifex Maximus." Starting with the Tower of Babel and ending with the False Prophet, each head is called Pontifex Maximus. The early heads were both political leaders and the Pontifex Maximus. When Imperial Rome died, the Pontifex Maximus part lived on as a separate entity.

He is the king that "is" (Rev. 17:10) already in power when the Rapture takes place. As the Tribulation begins, "they that ARE with him (Christ) ARE called, and chosen, and faithful" (Rev. 17:14). These are the ones THE BEAST blasphemes. He rules 42 months, or 1260 days, the first half of the Tribulation (Rev. 13:5). During this time, all pagans shall worship him (Rev. 13:8), probably because he is head of the United Religions.

The Pope does not have more than one head, yet Rev. 13:3 says, "I saw ONE OF HIS HEADS as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed." This refers to the great red dragon. Five of his 7 heads are past history, Babel, Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece and Imperial Rome. The 6th head is the Pope who is in power when the Rapture takes place. The 7th head is the False Prophet. There is an eighth, Satan himself. He operates on his own after the False Prophet is deposed on the Day of God's Wrath (Rev. 17:11).

The head of the great red dragon that was "as it were wounded to death" was Imperial Rome, ruled by the 5th head. It's power was then transferred to the head of Ecclesiastical Rome, so "his deadly wound was healed" (Rev. 13:3). At this point, this scripture blends in the present head of Ecclesiastical Rome. He too had a deadly wound and was healed. Notice that the healing of the deadly wound is in v. 3, and his being put in command of the nations is in v. 7. This man has been wounded and healed in the past, not necessarily after he is in full power over the nations, although he could be wounded again, especially when power passes from him to the False Prophet.

Since the 5th head was wounded and healed, are we correct in thinking that the 6th head is wounded and healed also? Yes. Rev. 13:12 speaks of the first beast (of the last 2 heads of the great red dragon) "whose deadly wound was healed."

Rev. 13:11,12 says, "I beheld ANOTHER BEAST (the False Prophet) coming up out of the earth (Israel); and he had two horns (two comings to power) like a lamb (like Christ), and he (the False Prophet) spake as a dragon (because he becomes Satan possessed when Satan is cast down to the Earth Mid-Trib, Rev. 12:9). And he (the False Prophet) exerciseth all the power of the first beast (the Beast, the Tribulation Pope) before (enopion, in the face or presence of) him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."

The second beast, the False Prophet, causes all people to worship the Tribulation Pope, the Beast "whose deadly wound was healed," but the False Prophet takes over all the power the Beast had. Thus, at Mid-Trib, the False Prophet becomes head of the UN and UR. He is not voted into office, but he wrests the top leadership out of the hands of the Beast. If the present Pope is the Tribulation Pope, his Parkinson's disease may cause him to not be able to carry out his duties by Mid-Trib, or, he might have another wound by the sword and live.

After Mid-Trib, the False Prophet will do signs and miracles "in the sight of THE BEAST; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live" (Rev. 13:14).

> > I remember somewhere in the old testament (Daniel or Ezekial) that as a result of the injury he loses the use of one of his arms. If this is the case, the current pope could not be the one Rev.13:12 is referring to.

The False Prophet is the idol shepherd that is in full power during the Great Tribulation, the last half of the Tribulation, the section that is to be shortened (Mt. 24:21,22). Zech. 11:17 says, "Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword (Sword of the Lord, the asteroid) shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened."

> > isn't the anti-christ who appeares at the very beginning of the triblation a plitical/military guy (DAN.11:36-45).

I think the False Prophet is the final Antichrist. He takes to himself all the powers previously given to the Beast, so he is head of the UN and UR. Rev. 6:4 says that power was given to the Beast "to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword." The False Prophet inherits that power. He isn't a soldier, but he can send the UN army to do his bidding. Agape

Incoming email

Thank you for your work on bible prophecy! I am writing to ask you if you know any resources for study on the muslim faith and who exactly is allah??? I have heard that allah and God are not the same. Any help? Thanks

My reply

I don't know where to go to study the Koran, but this FWD came in as your e-mail came in. Maybe so you could see it. As I understand it, Satan's counterfeit religions all ultimately worship Satan. For sure, besides Yahweh (YHVH), "there is no God" (Isa. 44:8).

None of the counterfeit religions have a sinless Saviour who died in their stead and was resurrected as proof of who he was, both God and man. Mt. 1:21 says, "thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts. 4:12). He is Yahwehshua, Y'shua, Jesus. Shua means saves, so Yahweh is both the king of Israel and the Redeemer, the Yahweh of hosts.

II Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself." Mt. 1:23 says, "they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. John 1:1-3,14 says, " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made....And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH, Yahweh) the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first (YHVH king of Israel), AND I am the last (YHVH the Redeemer, YHVH of hosts); and BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD." In Rev. 1:8,17 Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty....Fear not; I am the first (YHVH king of Israel) and the last (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer."

FWD: ...since the debacle in New York and Washington recently. We've certainly seen lots of publicity about Islam. It was most interesting to see G.W. Bush standing arm-in-arm, as it were, with a Muslim "brother" saying how the militant Muslims who go round the world causing terror have distorted the real teachings of the Qur'an. But this is simply not true. The truth is that the terrorists are closer to the true teachings of the Prophet than the liberal Muslim "moderates" who decry them. What is happening here is that a very neat spin is now being put on Islam, as if the real thing is wonderful and compatible with Christian teaching, etc. In other words, the spin-offs which have been fostered by the New York and Washington strikes are 1) Interfaith services have abounded; 2) Islam has been respectable-ised; 3) Religious groups which do not fit into the New World Order way of things are marginalised as "extremists" and can be hunted out and destroyed without any public dissent.

...a friend has recently sent out a mail about Islam, which I have reprinted below for your interest. Keep in touch...Your servant, in Christ Jesus, ALAN MORRISON AM@diakrisis.org: http://www.diakrisis.org
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QUR'AN QUOTES

Selected and introduced by Dr Alan C. Clifford, Pastor, Norwich Reformed Church. www.geocities.com/nrchurch

Extracts are taken from The Koran, tr. N. J. Dawood ( Penguin Classics, 4th revised edition, 1974; reprinted 1986)....

'Believers, retaliation is decreed for you in bloodshed' (Sura 2:178).
'Fight for the sake of Allah those that fight against you, but do not attack them first. Allah does not love the aggressors. Kill them wherever you find them...if they attack you put them to the sword...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme...If any one attacks you, attack him as he attacked you' (Sura 2:190-4).
'Fight for the cause of Allah' (Sura 2: 244).
'Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in Hellfire... As for those that have faith and do good works, We shall admit them to gardens watered by running streams, where, wedded to chaste virgins, they shall abide for ever... the believers who do good works, whether men or women, shall enter the gardens of Paradise' (Sura 4:55-7,124).
'The true believers fight for the cause of Allah, but the infidels fight for idols. Fight then against the friends of Satan' (Sura 4:76).
'Therefore fight for the cause of Allah' (Sura 4:84).
Allah has given those that fight with their goods and their persons a higher rank than those who stay at home. He has promised all a good reward; but far richer is the recompense of those who fight for Him...' (Sura 4:96).
'Unbelievers are those who declare: 'Allah is the Messiah, the Son of Mary'' (Sura 5:17).
'When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them...' (Sura 9:5).
'...make war on the leaders of unbelief...'(Sura 9:12).
'Believers, know that the idolaters are unclean...'(Sura 9:28).
'...the Christians say the Messiah is the son of Allah. Such are their assertions, by which they imitate the infidels of old. Allah confound them! How perverse they are! They worship... the Messiah the son of Mary, as gods besides Allah; though they were ordered to serve one God only. There is no god but Him. Exalted be He above those whom they deify beside Him!...It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true faith to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters may dislike it' (Sura 9:30-3).
'Proclaim a woeful punishment to those that hoard up gold and silver and do not spend it in Allah's cause. The day will surely come when their treasures shall be heated in the fire of Hell,...'(Sura 9:35).
'If you do not fight He will punish you sternly and replace you by other men...'(Sura 9:39).
'Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons' (Sura 9:41).
'Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate' (Sura 9:73).
'Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you...' (Sura 9:122).

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