European Union presses Sharon to meet Arafat
"Blessed IS he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near"
I believe that the attack on NYC is a "partial" fulfillment of the fall of babylon in Rev 18:18 and that is, and will be, ongoing throughout the end of the 7 year period of jacobs trouble ending on Rosh Hashanah 2007. NYC will be hit HARD again, as well as america.... sometime after the rapture. It all has to do with John going in and out of the Spirit... If you notice in revelation, how sometimes the word Spirit has a capital letter S, and sometimes it doesnt, it has a small s. There is a reason for that. Dig deeper into it and you will see what I mean. Once you get an understanding of how John keeps going in and out of the spirit, you will see that the attack on new york city was the "BEGINNING" of the fall of babylon, and will be completely ongoing after the rapture... John was "IN THE SPIRIT" in the day of the Lord.... and the day of the Lord began at Rosh Hashanah 2000, known as Jacobs Trouble... You see, the "Day of the Lord" is also ongoing... Its not for one single day, as the bible says, "each day for a year" 7 years, starting in 2000, ending in 2007.
Revelation 1:1 tells us about the revelation of Jesus Christ, and was for Jesus to show his servents things that MUST take place. it does not take place in one day. the fall of babylon does not take place in one day, the day of the lord does not take place in one day. its all an ONGOING PROCESS FOR THE 7 YEARS, EACH DAY FOR A YEAR, DURING THE TIME OF JACOBS TROUBLE, WHICH STARTED ON ROSH HASHANAH 2000. We are seeing it all fall into place now.
Revelation 1:3 BLESSED IS HE WHO READS AND THOSE WHO HEAR THE WORDS OF THIS PROPHECY, AND KEEP THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN IT, FOR THE TIME IS NEAR.
After all these many years trying to understand revelation and to get the big big picture. Phil Rogers certainly gave it to me last night on the phone for 3 1/2 hours. it all clicked, and it all makes sense.... the key is understanding the book of revelation.... and going in and out of the SPIRIT, means, ONGOING prophecy... as it is not fulfilled in any one single day.
Read Revelation over and over, and look for the word Spirit in the scriptures. you will see that it has a Capital S sometimes, and sometimes it doesnt....sometimes it has a small letter "s".
Can anyone tell me what great meaning this has? :) God Bless, YBIC, Mark
The KJV has "the time is at hand." We seem to be living in this "time," which in Rev. 12:6,14 stands for a year. Since "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" is when he is revealed to us (as in Rev. 1:13-16) at the Pre-Trib Rapture, that word "keep" is exactly what I want to do. I want to keep the Rapture and crown. Rev. 3:11 says to "hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown."
> > 7 year period of jacobs trouble ending on Rosh Hashanah 2007
To me, the time of Jacob's trouble is one day, the Day of God's Wrath, Jesus' Long Day, of which Joshua's Long Day was a type. Joshua 10:11 says, "it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that THE LORD CAST DOWN GREAT STONES FROM HEAVEN upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword. " The "great stones from heaven" that will kill all but 1/6th of Gog's army (Eze. 39:2) are the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10. They do not impact Earth during the whole 7-year Tribulation, but on one day, the Day of God's Wrath, when the Lord will "go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle" (Zech. 14:3).
Isa. 24:1-6 describes this day. It is impossible for this to happen every day during 7 years. It says, "Behold, THE LORD MAKETH THE EARTH EMPTY, and maketh it waste, and TURNETH IT UPSIDE DOWN, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof....The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word. The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath THE CURSE devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and FEW MEN LEFT."
Dan. 12:1 says, "at that time (when the False Prophet comes to his end, 11:45) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION even to that same time."
Jer. 30:7 says, "Alas! for THAT DAY (one day) is great, so that NONE IS LIKE IT (i.e., no other day is like it): it is even THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE, but he shall be saved out of it."
Instead of your "jacobs trouble ending on Rosh Hashanah 2007," I think Rosh HaShanah 2007 is THAT DAY OF JACOB'S TROUBLE.
> > NYC will be hit HARD again, as well as america.... sometime after the rapture. It all has to do with John going in and out of the Spirit. If you notice in revelation, how sometimes the word Spirit has a capital letter S, and sometimes it doesnt, it has a small s. There is a reason for that. Dig deeper into it and you will see what I mean. Once you get an understanding of how John keeps going in and out of the spirit, you will see that the attack on new york city was the "BEGINNING" of the fall of babylon, and will be completely ongoing after the rapture. John was "IN THE SPIRIT" in the day of the Lord
I don't think the original Scripture made any distinction as to whether Spirit was capitalized or not. Looking at Rev. 1:10 in Green's Interlinear, the Greek "pneumati" is not capitalized. Below are a couple of other translations. The NAB does not capitalize "spirit." Darby's translation does capitalize it. Is one wrong? or is it up to the translator?
You will see that right away, but I picked these particular versions for another reason. This is the Preview of the Pre-Trib Rapture. John BECAME in the spirit and was CAUGHT UP to Heaven. When he got to Heaven, there was the glorified Christ with the 7 churches all around him. He had the 7 star performers still in his hand for he had just snatched them up.
Rev. 1:10 (NAB) "I was CAUGHT UP (ginomai) in spirit on the Lord's day and heard behind me a voice as loud as a trumpet."
Rev. 1:10 (Darby) "I BECAME (ginomai) in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a great voice as of a trumpet."
Ginomai is used with great latitude. It can mean TO BECOME, TO ARISE, TO BE TAKEN or TO BE MARRIED. This is the Pre-Trib Rapture of the Bride of Christ. Compare Rev. 1:10 (the Preview when the Rapture is nigh) with Rev. 4:1,2 (the Rapture).
Rev. 4:1,2 (NAB) "After this I had a vision of an open door to heaven, and I HEARD THE TRUMPETLIKE VOICE THAT HAD SPOKEN TO ME BEFORE (i.e., in 1:10), saying, "COME UP HERE and I will show you what must happen afterwards. At once I was CAUGHT UP (ginomai) in spirit. A throne was there in heaven."
Rev. 4:1,2 (Darby) "After these things I saw, and behold, a door opened in heaven, and the first voice which I heard as of a trumpet speaking with me, saying, COME UP HERE, and I will shew thee the things which must take place after these things. Immediately I BECAME (ginomai) in the Spirit; and behold, a throne stood in the heaven."
The fall of the WTC towers seems to be a sign of the two asteroids falling from heaven (Rev. 8:8,10) on the day the towers fall. Isa. 30:25 (KJV) says, "there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in THE DAY (one day) of the great slaughter, WHEN THE TOWERS FALL." The reasons for the water are: (1) the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 impacts the Mediterranean Sea (Zech. 2:4,5), and (2) the other asteroid impact (Rev. 8:10) helps turn this globe upside down, causing the rivers and seas to overflow the land.
> > the day of the Lord began at Rosh Hashanah 2000
The Day of the Lord is the Millennium. It cannot start until after Elijah comes to prophesy. Mal 4:5,6 says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet BEFORE THE COMING OF THE GREAT AND DREADFUL DAY OF THE LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse." The binary asteroid is "the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth" (Zech. 5:3). The curse impacts Earth on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord.
> > Revelation 1:1 tells us about the revelation of Jesus Christ, and was for Jesus to show his servents things that MUST take place..... it does not take place in one day.. the fall of babylon does not take place in one day, the day of the lord does not take place in one day... its all an ONGOING PROCESS FOR THE 7 YEARS
To me, that "ONGOING PROCESS" is not possible. Rev. 18:9,10 says, "the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in ONE HOUR is thy judgment come." Agape
FW: Possibly the most concise common sense approach for Israel to take in response to their terrorist war (intifada) is spelled out in the new issue of Forbes magazine.
It also calls for a new US policy. It is reprinted here in its entirety. Hurray for Steve Forbes!
By Steve Forbes, Editor-in-Chief
10-1-01 The Bush Administration had better recognize quickly that it is in a deadly rut with our Mideast policy. The State Department still practices moral equivalency when dealing with the Israelis and Yasir Arafat's Palestinians, making it sound as if both parties are equally at fault for the violence. Not so. Arafat deliberately instigated and abetted this semiwar almost a year ago when he turned down the most generous settlement terms he or any other Palestinian le a der is likely ever to get.
Washington must understand that Arafat doesn't want peace. He survives and thrives best when there is turmoil. He knows he couldn't last politically in a peaceful environment. Yet Washington persists in treating Arafat as a serious potential peace partner. U.S. diplomats repeatedly rap Israel's knuckles when Jerusalem targets known Palestinian terrorists for elimination or temporarily seizes Palestinian real estate following a terrorist outrage.
It's high time the U.S. got out of this deadly diplomatic cul-de-sac. We should move our embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. We should cut off funding for the Palestinian Authority, saying so publicly and stating our reasons. We should give the Israeli government the green light to take the gloves off and break the backs of Arafat's terrorist cells. The Israelis could do the job within two weeks. The Palestinian Authority police, for instance, would no longer have arms, and any terrorist le a der would know his life was in jeopardy. Although diplomats will deny it, an effective Israeli crackdown would reduce the violence to a fraction of what it is now. Such a move would be a shock to Arab states but, perhaps, a useful one. It is no use for them to pretend that Israel will cease to exist. They should know that if it is threatened, Israel will respond forcefully, effectively.
A strong Israeli move against this wave of terror would lead to a sullen, cold peace in which nonviolent Palestinian forces could develop politically and economically. This would not be the stuff of heartwarming photo-ops, but it would make possible the process of semi-peaceful coexistence.
What is Ariel Sharon's government waiting for? Does it really believe Palestinian outrages will change so-called international opinion toward Israel? What Jerusalem shouldn't fear is a destructive reaction from Washington.
In Luke 13:6-9, we find the parable of the barren fig tree, which is modern Israel. I think the 3 years are already behind us, and the 4th year represents this past year, when Israel has had to put up with the Intifada. The parable says, "these three years I (Yeshua) come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down." The PA has dug about and dunged Israel all this past year. It fits the parable. The words "cut it down" are truly awful to contemplate, but unbelieving Israelis are about to bring it on themselves. Not that they will be completely cut down, for Israel is there to stay, but, it will take an act of God to reach them. On the Day of God's Wrath, the nation will be saved in a day (Isa. 66:8), but oh how I wish they could see clearly now.
Zech. 14:1-3 says of that 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord, "Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations (sounds like the UN army led by Gog, Eze. 38) against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle."
This "day of battle" was Joshua's Long Day. Josh. 10:11 says, "it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword."
This will be replayed in a greater way on Joshua/Yeshua's Long Day, the first day of the Millennium. The Lord will "cast down great stones from heaven upon them" again. In Zech. 5, the flying rolling thing seems to be a binary asteroid, twice as long as wide. I think the 2 stone tablets with the 10 commandments on them represented these 2 pieces of asteroid that will impact Earth after breaking apart if the Lord's commandments are not kept. Picture Moses smashing the first tablets by throwing them down. See if it sounds like that to you. Zech. 5:3 says, "This is the curse that goeth forth (orbits) over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth (breaking a commandment) shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth (breaking a commandment) shall be cut off as on that side according to it." This is talking about people that have not accepted Yeshua, therefore they are judged by the commandments that they cannot keep.
I want to apologize for not quoting from the Complete Jewish Bible, which I have. It is 12:18 AM, and I have the KJV on my computer so I can Copy and Paste to save time. Revelation 8:8,9 says, "the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire (the smaller asteroid piece) was cast into the sea (the Mediterranean): and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed." This stone will wipe out all but 1/6th of Gog's army (Eze. 39:2). The other stone in Rev. 8:10 will destroy Babylon.
Zeph. 2:1-7says, " Gather yourselves together (Israel), yea, gather together, O nation not desired; Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD's anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid (having been caught up to Heaven, raptured) in the day of the LORD's anger. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast, the nation of the Cherethites! the word of the LORD is against you; O Canaan, the land of the Philistines (and Palestinians), I will even destroy thee, that there shall be no inhabitant. And the sea coast shall be dwellings and cottages for shepherds, and folds for flocks. And the coast shall be for the remnant of the house of Judah; they shall feed thereupon: in the houses of Ashkelon shall they lie down in the evening: for the LORD their God shall visit them, and turn away their captivity."
Who is "the LORD (YHVH) their God"? that will do this? Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first (YHVH the King of Israel), and I am the last (the Redeemer, YHVH of hosts, Yeshua); and beside me there is no God." II Cor. 5:19 ties it all together. It simply says, "God was in Christ (Yeshua), reconciling the world unto himself."
As he was signing off in the last chapter of the Bible, Yeshua said, "behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning (YHVH king of Israel) and the end (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer), the first (LORD of the Tanakh, OT) and the last (Lord of the B'rit Hadashah, NT). Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. I Jesus (Yeshua) have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root (YHVH) and the offspring of David" (Yeshua) (Rev. 22:12-16).
Who lies? A prime candidate? As Arafat once said: "I am willing to kill for my people, so I should not be able to lie and cheat for them?" Well, we know who is going to lose in this battle. It is now 1 AM. Got to get some sleep. Shalom and agape
Anyway; I have been persuaded that whatever God has been doing is pretty well completed in regard to the church in America today. With the public reaction of either mass retaliation or annihalation of Arab countries today; or "peace" at any cost (i.e. the Papacy and our own "Mitchell" plan)--those who are TRULY of Christ today can't afford to reside in EITHER camp exclusively. The character of people-I am convinced in this nation has already been developed during the times PRIOR to the September 11th incident.
Crisis brings our true nature to bear; and only for the HOLY SPIRIT FILLED BELIEVER is witnessing to our enemies (Muslims in particular); something of interest. DESTROYING or killing all of them orCOWTOWING to false ideologies in their faith is NOT the answer. We should as the true church vent our anger against the constant pressure and media emphasis in our NATIONAL church congregations televised nationally to praise the God of ALLAH with the Christian/Jewish God! (According to part of SURA in their Bible--ANYONE who believes in salvation by the son of Mary; as being Allah himself or the Son of God is anathema).
I don't think it takes a genius here to see the ultimate battle being between nations such as Italy with their "superior culture" as was worded there recently--and the Muslim nations. So we see the first seal of Revelation opening up as one of WAR and peace simultaneously. Since when did we see what we have today...a treaty with DEATH and HELL so clearly as that of the constant obsessive attempt to bind together the Palestinians and Israelies today? Because we attempt to "respect" the god of Islam and yet consider ourselves as the opposing "CHRISTIAN" ideology...but this is PRECISELY what the false Christian worldwide religion is pursuing today! This is NOT Biblical Christianity folks--look at how far we have been seduced from what by and large was preached in mainline denominations a generation ago! If this Pope isn't the false Prophet (I know I will get some attention and commentary from you; Mrs. Agee for that comment as opposed to him being the Antichrist but this shouldn't be the main focus here!) anyway- I don't know what else the final Pope would do that hasn't been done already.
Surely THIS Pope would wholeheartedly CONCUR with a 7 year Peace treaty being conferred with Israel and other nations today. I mean; with all the Protestant objections to the "Beast" of the Vatican-where is all the outrage among Catholics themselves to this very real abomination of Kissing the Koran; and the ceremony a few years back for the Queen of Shiva or whatever that pagan ceremony was? Will the Pope be absolved from a deadly wound himself for such actions? We will see. I remember someone mentioning Antichrist according to some vision would be an 84 year old man; I wonder if this has anything to do with that "Ancient and honorable" verse in Isaiah.
We seem to venerate someone who seems to be such a peacemaker and global Charismatic figure. It surely can be seen if reading stuff the Pope has authored that he is an ingenious writer; surely the most literate genius of any modern Popes I would think.
It would surely seem that this Pope will die soon with all his illnesses; perhaps "revitalized with energy" after a deadly wound. Why is God preserving the life of someone so obviously mocking or blasphemying His name in the name of worldwide popularity and Charisma?
I think the Tribulation Pope is the 6th head, the False Prophet the 7th head, and Satan himself the "eighth" and the tail (Rev. 17:10,11). Rev. 12:4 says of Satan, the great red dragon, "his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth." When the 7th head is in full power during the Great Tribulation, he too is called the tail, because the tail is dwelling in him. Isa. 9:15 says, "The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail." The head comes before the tail.
Even you dropped your customary line saying that it could be several years yet. At one time, I think you said it could even be 40 years yet. What happened to that idea?
You know I think the Jewish 5768 (2007/2008) will be the first year of the millennial Day of the Lord. According to Dan. 8:13,14, there have to be 7 Jewish months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, so that year has to be a Jewish Leap Year with a 13th month. Those come in the 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, 14th, 17th, and 19th in their 19-year cycle. That cycle started with 5757 (1997/1998). Thus, 5760 (1999/2000), 5763 (2002/2003), 5765 (2004/2005), 5768 (2007/2008), 5771 (2010/2011), 5774 (2013/2014), and 5776 (2015/2016)are Leap Years.
I think the most likely is 5768 (2007/2008). Would you now consider 5771 (2010/2011)?
The Sign of the End of the Age, the Six-Day War, was in 1967. Adding a 40-year generation brings us to 2007. The Oslo Accords were ratified in Israel on Tishri 1, 5754 (1993). Adding 7 good years and 7 bad years brings us to Tishri 1, 5768 (2007). The Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993. Adding 7 good and 7 bad years brings us to Sept. 13, 2007, which just happens to be Tishri 1, 5768. I would have an awfully hard time considering 2010/2011 right now.
> > those of the Hindu persuasion who are; according to an item I read on the 5 Doves sight; ready on Nov. 4th to consider a new religion; which could include 300 million people...
That sounds wonderful. There is a section of India that is Christian. I hear from a Christian friend there from time to time. I would hope that the others would discuss it with Christians in India. It seems to me that Indian Christians would know how to reach them best. They understand how they think and how they live, what they need and what they don't need, and understand why these people are looking elsewhere for something better. Agape
A distinction of racial class titled "Gentile" did not exist during the time of Enoch, nor are there any scriptural references indicating that he viewed himself that way or that anyone else did. Why do you?
The Bible is written for all mankind of all ages, but particularly for us, because it is upon this generation that the Wrath of God will come. I Cor. 10:11 says, "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends (plural) of the world (ages) are come."
I think there are three 2000-year ages, the Age of the Gentiles, the Age of the Jews, and the Age of the Church. This agrees with Gal. 3:28's division of mankind. It says, "Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God."
Dan. 9:27 shows us that the Age of the Jews has a 7-year End of the Age. Since I Cor. 10:11 says, "upon whom the ends (plural) of the world (ages) are come," I think all 3 ages have an End of the Age running concurrently with the End of the Age of the Jews. Agape
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