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Posted 11-1-01

Pope Meets Arafat, Urges Return to Peace Table|top|10-30-2001::08:52|reuters.html
10-30-01 VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope John Paul, worried that Middle East violence seems endless, met Yasser Arafat on Tuesday and urged Israelis and Palestinians to put down their weapons and return to the negotiating table....

Christians form a substantial minority among Palestinians....

The Pope told Arafat that he favored "the application of international law (and) a necessary commitment by the international community aimed at achieving reciprocal respect and security for all peoples in the region."
"Prayer and fasting - One million to renounce Hinduism"
Dean Hornbyn 30 Oct
On November 4, 2001, there is going to be an historic gathering in India of an estimated one million "outcasts" or "untouchables," the people who are the lowest of the low in the caste system of Hinduism. The significance of the gathering is that each of those who attend is going to be renouncing Hinduism. In addition, they are going to hear presentations of Buddhism and of Christianity, and most of them are going to decide on the spot which faith they are going to embrace.

I spoke this evening with the man who has been chosen to make the presentation for Christianity at the meeting, Dr. Rochunga Pudaite. Dr. Pudaite is a native of India and an international Christian leader. We need to mobilize massive prayer for him and those who will hear his message that day. There is also a significant need for Bibles to be supplied for the mass meeting....

November 4 in India. In the United States, for example, that would be November 3. (9:00 - 11:00 AM Pacific time)

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Another attempt on Dec. 16, Mark Rouleau (30 Oct)
"Two New Cornerstones for the Third Temple Anointed by the Faithful Movement in Jerusalem during Sukkoth - First Architectural Plans for the Third Temple Shown"...

We also immediately decided to bring the cornerstones to the Temple Mount and anoint them again during Hanukkah this year on the 16th December....
Peres Prepares Peace Plan; Israeli Troops Stay in West Bank Towns,2933,37606,00.html
10-30-01 JERUSALEM ó In a sign of a possible rift within the Israeli government, Foreign Minister Shimon Peres was preparing an independent initiative aimed at breaking the deadlock with the Palestinians, an aide and reports said Tuesday....

According to the Israeli newspaper Maariv, Peres was finalizing a proposal under which Israel would completely pull out of all of the Gaza Strip -- two-thirds of which is a Palestinian autonomy zone -- and dismantle the settlements there where some 7,000 Israelis live amid more than a million Palestinians.

The said the plan included creating a Palestinian state....
Arafat calls on Sharon to negotiate
ROME (AP) - Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat called on Prime Minister Ariel Sharon today to go back to the negotiating table and save the peace process in the Middle East.

Arafat, who was in Rome on an official visit, also said that the United States, Europe and the United Nations must play a strong role in the region....

Arafat is a frequent visitor to Rome. He was last here in August for meetings with the pontiff and Berlusconi.

Tuesday's audience with John Paul will be their 11th meeting.

Italy is a strong supporter of Palestinian rights and backs Arafat's call for an international force to monitor the conflict.
Mark Rouleau (27 Oct)
"Ha'aretz - U.S. delivers a clear message to a host of Israeli visitors"
The United States expects to win the war against terrorism and impose a new international order, from which Israel can benefit.
--- David Campbell (27 Oct) "WARNING OF SOON DESTRUCTION?"
NEW YORK (AP) -- A minor earthquake shook the New York City metro area early Saturday, knocking pictures off walls, breaking china and rattling the nerves of some still jumpy in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Is our merciful God trying to get New York City's attention? Does He have our attention? Do not be foolish or deceived! Our time is short! Maranatha
Mikhail Gorbachev wants anti-terrorism effort to lead to a 'just world order'
MOSCOW (October 20, 2001 6:00 p.m. EDT) - The U.S.-led international effort against terrorism must become a coalition for a new and fair world order if it is to succeed, former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev said in an interview published Saturday.

"If the fight against terrorism is reduced to force actions, the world will eventually lose," Gorbachev told Rossiiskaya Gazeta. "If it becomes part of joint efforts to build a just world order, everybody shall win, including those who today are not supporting the U.S. actions and the coalition."

He urged politicians to remember the notions of solidarity and said developing nations must be helped to overcome poverty. The U.N. Security Council, he added, should take the initiative in developing corresponding programs.

Nuclear and chemical disarmament and control over the remaining stockpiles must become a top priority, he said.

Gorbachev also noted that despite Russia's strong support for the U.S.-led military operation in Afghanistan, many in his country are concerned about the bombings and question whether America would also back Russia in such an hour of need.

Such thorny issues as the expansion of NATO and the future of the U.S.-Soviet anti-missile agreement "would be easier to resolve when we have a joint strategy of moving to the new world community," Gorbachev wrote....
At the same time the Israeli Cabinet was meeting, special envoys from the United Nations, the European Union and Russia met with Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. Arafat, who has deceived the West for eight years, had no problem in pulling the wool over the eyes of these gullible officials. The diplomats said Arafat has taken steps to calm the situation and to apprehend the killers of Israeli Cabinet Minister Rehavam Ze`evi. A joint statement welcomed a commitment by Arafat to "take additional specific and concrete steps to control violence and to ensure full implementation" of a cease-fire, adding a call for the Palestinians to maintain their efforts and round up those who violated the truce. The statement also called on Israel to withdraw immediately from Palestinian areas and end what it called "extrajudicial killings" of suspected Palestinian militants. The diplomats said Arafat has arrested 73 militants and prevented a number of suicide bomb attacks on Israelis. Arafat, however, has a history of making arrests when he is under Western pressure, but he usually releases the terrorists a short time later.
10-26-01 Reuters - "Former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev said on Thursday the victims of the September 11 attacks in the United States will not have died in vain if world leaders use the crisis to create a new world order.
Lights snapped from space
It is the first time Northern and Southern Lights brightening at the same time at opposite ends of the Earth have been captured on film.

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Re: Translations
Shalom, It is important to understand that the KJV is only a translation. The texts used for the translation can contain mistakes. This has been weel established more with the Greek texts used for the New Testament than with the Hebrew text used for the Old Testament.

But it is necessary to examine the credentials of the "scholars" who worked on the translation team to see if they are truly scholars, or men simply educated in Biblical Hebrew. I know a man who is very educated in Biblical Hebrew and teaches at one of the Lutheran Seminaries. But when confronted by another one of my close friends, an Orthodox Jew about certain renderings of the Hebrew text, the first man finally had to concede that while he is educated in Biblical Hebrew, he is certainly no scholar.

A modern day example can be seen with the Jehovah's Witnesses translation of the Bible. They claim a team of scholars worked to translate their version of the Bible but anyone with a minimal background in Biblical languages can see these men are not scholars in either Greek or Hebrew.

So, to argue the KJV is the best translation causes one to ask the following questions:

1) Is the source text reliable?
2) Is the team of translators compitent?

The answer to the first is clearly no. The Textus Recepticus is full of error and this has been pointed out by more than an ample number of scholars. The answer to the second question is also not positive because of certain motives the translators harbored when compiling their translation.

Anyone who claims the KJV is the best translation is either being intellectually dishonest, or they are simply uneducated. Take your pick.

My reply

> > A modern day example can be seen with the Jehovah's Witnesses translation of the Bible. They claim a team of scholars worked to translate their version of the Bible but anyone with a minimal background in Biblical languages can see these men are not scholars in either Greek or Hebrew.

I think of the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures as cult literature, not at all on a par with other versions we have mentioned. I have had the Jehovah's Witnesses come to my door, two by two, many times. Not being able to get them to consider anything in the KJV, I went to a thrift store and got the NWT. I went through it and marked certain passages in red. I was prepared to show them the truth of who Christ really is from their own bible. Do you think they would listen. Nope! They kept quoting that the Emphatic Diaglott said "a God" in John 1:1. I went to the library, Xeroxed John 1 in the Emphatic Diaglott, Greek text translated by Wilson, and showed it to them. It does not say "a God" in Wilson's translation. In that he said, "the Logos was God." Only in the left column under the Greek words does it say "a god" under Theos (God). Wilson obviously knew that it meant, "the Logos was God." Do you think they would believe that? No! I found Colwell's Rule of Greek Grammar. It said that a definite predicate nominative takes the article when it follows the verb, it does not do so when it precedes the verb as in John 1:1." They can hear anything I say and come right back saying that the Emphatic Diaglott says, "a god." It does under the Greek word, but not in Wilson's translation. That makes no difference to them. They are so brainwashed that they seem not to be able to think for themselves. I made out a list of scriptures from the NWT proving that Christ is God. They wouldn't take it. They are not allowed to read anything like that. I gave up on them. Agape

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Re: Translations
Shalom. When the NASB came out, many Bible scholars blew a sigh of relief because it truly represented in their minds an alternative to the KJV and the NIV. But they knew in their hearts this translation wouldn't go over well in the church setting because it didn't read as smoothly as the NIV did. So for years we have been told that if you want to truly study the Bible, you need to get the NASB as part of your library.

But even though the NASB is much more accurate than both the KJV and the NIV, it still has his problems in the Old Testament. There is a solution to all of this. The Original New Testament is a great New Testament translation and the Stone Edition is the best Old Testament translation. If you don't mind carrying two separate books to church with you, you will benefit from both of these greatly.

My reply

Thanks for your information. I would like to read them both.

I wouldn't carry two Bibles to church or to read while waiting for Ed to exercise at Cardiac Rehab or to see the doctor. I do my major studying at home. I read every English translation I can get my hands on, and switch which one I carry with me in the car, which one is by my bed, etc. Shalom and agape

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Re: Van Impe Intelligence Briefing July, 2001
I don't know if you saw this in July, but I just found it at Jack Van Impe's Intelligence page. I specifically refer to the Two Meteors Explode article.

It's all very exciting to me to watch this potentially dangerous things go on because (unless something bad does happen or someone does get hurt) these events make me glad, for they portend the swift arrival of the Lord.

Naturally, I am NOT glad when bad things happen to people during these prophetic signature events. Your brother in Christ

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Discovery News - "Two boulders from space have exploded in mid-air off the coast of Mexico, say government scientists who just declassified the discoveries made with special listening devices and military satellites. In April, the larger of the two meteors roared into the atmosphere, releasing the explosive power of 6,000 to 8,000 tons of TNT. The scientists said it was probably about as big as a Volkswagen Beetle and came down in the Pacific several hundred miles off the coast of the Mexican State of Baja California Norte. The smaller ó but also impressive ó meteor fell last August and was about six feet in diameter, with about half the explosive power. It came apart over the Pacific off Acapulco.

'The April 23rd event got down to 28 km, so it's fairly tough stuff,' said Doug ReVelle, a researcher at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. In other words, it survived the heat and pressure of entering the atmosphere and came within 28 kilometers of the Earth's surface before it blew apart. Both meteors were probably made of relatively sturdy rock, said ReVelle. 'The Earth is hit annually by house-sized objects and monthly by Volkswagen-sized objects,' said Donald Yeomans of the NASA Near Earth Object Program at Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California. 'It proves the point that over long periods of time we can expect to be hit.' 'Pebble and fist-sized space debris pelt Earth on a daily basis,' said Yeomans. Larger objects like these are less frequent, but they do hit Ö" (Revelation 6:12)

My reply

Thanks. I had heard of these meteors, but I'd rather hear something several times than miss it. I just hope that people can put two and two together and see that the mountain and star that both come in burning in Rev. 8:8,10 are asteroids. Agape

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Re: Nov. 3rd rapture?
Thanks for taking the time to reply!

I have looked again at your info (I have had your End of the Age book for almost 8 years now), and think 30 AD may have been the date of the resurrection. I've changed the calendar on my page to reflect this. You may be right that the 360 day calendar is no longer used, but it was used to describe the final 7 years of the age, and from Pentecost in 30 AD to Sept. 18, 2001 (1 Tishri) was exactly 2000 360 day years! And now we are close to 40 days from Sept. 18, so Oct. 27 (tomorrow, 10 Cheshvan when Noah entered the ark) might be the rapture date. If not, I am hopeful it will be by Dec. 19th of this year. The new calendar is at - God Bless!

My reply

I had a hard time figuring out when to use Jewish inclusive reckoning and when not to. I think I have it straight now. In figuring running time, day after day, inclusive reckoning is not used. The first date is not counted. It is no different than what we are used to. When speaking of a block of time, like the Six-Day War, those days are figured including the first day. The war started June 5. That was day 1. June 6 was day 2. June 7 was day 3. June 8 was day 4. June 9 was day 5. June 10 was day 6, so it is called the Six-Day War. Figuring it our way, we would subtract the 5 from the 10 and say it lasted 5 days. In counting it off, we would not include the 1st day. We would say that from the 5th to the 6th was Day 1.

Forty days from Tishri 1, 5762 (Sept. 18, 2001), not by inclusive reckoning, ends on 11 Cheshvan, which is Oct. 28. That is 6 days short of 17 Cheshvan (Nov. 3), when Noah entered the Ark. Gen. 7:11-14 says, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the SECOND MONTH (Cheshvan), the SEVENTEENTH DAY of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and THE WINDOWS OF HEAVEN WERE OPENED. And the rain (symbol of the Spirit of Christ) was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. In the selfsame day (Cheshvan 17) ENTERED NOAH, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark" (symbol of us being in Christ).

Maybe the windows of Heaven being opened in Gen. 7:11 represents the same thing as the door of Heaven being opened in Rev. 4:1. I wonder if we will enter Heaven on that selfsame day. We will know soon. I hope The Rapture is before Dec.19 too.

When winter sets in at Afghanistan around Nov. 1st, maybe Bush, Tony Blair, Sharon, Peres and Arafat can put their minds to peace negotiations for Israel. As long as we are here, the False Prophet, who will be the 7th head in Rev. 17:10, can't be revealed. Since he is hindered by the indwelling Holy Spirit in the salt of the Earth, maybe as soon as the Rapture takes place, the man who will be the False Prophet will come forth with new ideas of how to solve the problems between the Palestinians and the Israelis. II Thess. 2:7,8 says, "until he (the indwelling Holy Spirit) be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed." Already, Sharon has said that they will offer Arafat a Palestinian state even before final negotiations if Arafat will stop the violence. That will make Arafat think that violence pays, but they will strengthen the covenant anyway (Dan. 9:27). I expect the Pope and the UN to get into the act too. Everything seems ready to pop as soon as we are out of here. Maranatha. Agape

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Re: READ this PLEASE!...I live in the Netherlands. I have seen your website, and there is ONLY ONE THING that I want to ask you. And that is PLEASE READ this ONE PAGE of the following website!

I ask NOTHING MORE, that is ALL! Thank you for your time and effort, and blessings to you! With Love

My reply

I don't believe these teachings. Here are some things I found on the site. My comments are marked ***.

We are people who know that Jesus Christ is God the Son and that the Bible is Godís word and the full truth. We are allowed to understand Godís will and the mysteries that God has hidden in the Bible more than anybody.

***I am glad for the first and doubt the last.

We are also those who know that the prophet Elijah has been (re)sent, as God has had foretold in the last verses of the Old Testament (Malachi 4:5,6) and we know him personally. When you read the revelations in this Web site, you will have to agree that these are the mysteries that God has kept until the last of days.

*** True, Elijah will come in the Tribulation, but I don't believe that he is here yet. He is to prophesy during the first 1260 days of the Tribulation (Rev. 11:3). The Rapture of the Bride has not yet taken place. The Beast is not yet in control of the UN and UR in any capacity. The 10 kings have not been crowned (Rev. 13:1). Therefore, to me, the Tribulation hasn't begun.

The Lord cannot use the Christians for calling together His bride, because they do not at all listen to His most important message, that He wants to collect His bride. They are deliberately rebellious against His greatest desire. In their inconceivable pride, they steal the words of the prophet (God has warned that they certainly should not do this), and they also want to steal the glory and honour of God.

They do so by twisting the words of the prophet himself, and also by offering Him other brides, from people who are misled by them and do not really love Jesus and do not want to follow Him completely.

They do not want to receive the special nourishment that God offers, because they want to determine how and through whom God will do this. And they also want to decide how they will attain the glory necessary to be the bride of Jesus Christ. For instance, God says in Matthew 22:4 that He has prepared a special meal for those who answer His call! Special nourishment. Of course, that means special spiritual nourishment! Nourishment that God the Father Himself says He fattened for a long time, which means that He has lavished exceptional attention on it and treated it in a special way, and now has slaughtered.

This means special spiritual nourishment for His Son's bride that He has now revealed! But the Father also says, "The invited guests were not worthy."

The invited guests are those who knew that they would be invited because they already knew Jesus and belonged to Him. But they did not really want to belong to Him, which is why they all make excuses, because they do not want to be at the wedding.

That is why God the Father is angry with them and says that they will not taste the supper, the special nourishment (Luke 14, verse 24).

***Christ is the one who chooses and gathers his Bride. John 5:22 says, "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son." 1Peter 4:17 says, "judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" James 5:9 says, "Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door" (lit., doors, as in Mt. 24:33) Christ stands before Heaven's door at both Raptures.

God now calls the "bad and the good" from the streets and squares and offers them a chance to reign eternally with the Supreme King in His Kingdom, which contains the whole creation. No one is excluded from this offer from God!

***In the parable of the marriage feast in Mt. 22, the first ones called are the Old Testament saints. As a whole, they "would not come." The second ones called are members of the church, the ekklesia, the called out ones. At the first Rapture, only those with white robes of righteousness (the "wedding garment") are allowed to attend the wedding feast. Those cast outside the door at the first Rapture will be caught up at the second Rapture. We will either be caught up Pre-Trib or Pre-Wrath. That's why it is so important to confess our known sins so God can cleanse us of all unrighteousness (I John 1:9).

The prophecies and revelations of the mysteries that I have received from the Almighty and have published or otherwise announced have all been confirmed by the Holy Ghost or even proven.

It is up to you to examine the truth and not depend on revelations or prophecies that sound appealing but have not been confirmed or proven.

***In the end, it is only safe to depend on the Scriptures. They are the only real truth we have to hang on to.

When you read this on the website, certainly do not ask Christians for advice, but ask God the Holy Ghost to help you understand.

And use your own sound reasoning and you will realise that the words you read here come straight from God Himself. No one has anything similar. God, as He nearly always has done, uses just one person to reveal His great intentions and have them carried out.

Test it against the Bible, but please do not turn to Christians for this.

***Why? because he puts himself above other Christians?

We recommend a pure Bible translation so that all of God's mysteries have been preserved in it. In many other translations, these mysteries have been lost in the translation.

By reading and considering these revelations, you will see that God has focused everything on this one matter, that He wants a bride.

***I have read many translations. and I don't believe that any "mysteries have been lost in the translation." Though the wording differs in some places, the same concepts are taught. Actually, it is amazing how similar they are.

That is why the Lord Jesus asks you: "Will you be My bride?" If your answer to this is "Yes", you will achieve the very highest that God wants man to achieve and reign with Him for eternity in unimaginable glory.

You can only achieve this by telling this to the prophet God has appointed for this and receiving the special nourishment God has provided him alone. Others shall not taste it, says the Lord in the Bible.

***The Lord wants us to be the Bride, but we do not have to tell this writer anything. We can go above everyone's head and talk with God himself. When we were saved, we did need to confess it with our mouth (Rom. 10:9,10), but after that, we don't have to tell anyone, even if he says, "You can only achieve this by telling this to the prophet God has appointed for this." To me, that is so much hot air.

We wish you God's wisdom, insight and indispensable help as you read God's great revelations, mysteries and wisdom on this website. We wish you a very wise decision and correct choice.

***God has revealed all we need to know in the Bible. When Revelation was written, the scriptures were complete and perfect. In I Cor. 13:9,10, Paul said, "we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away." I do not expect any prophet of God until Moses and Elijah come in the 70th week of Dan. 9:27. Agape

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Re: Exodus
Shalom....At a recent Bible study of Exodus the leader of the group suggested that the Jews never did cross the Reed Sea to the other side but actually made a half-circle and ended up on the same shore when everything was said and done. The purpose of this was to bait the Egyptians into entering the water allowing God to drown them.

I looked in Exodus to see where they started before the sea was parted and according to my maps, they were in the wilderness of Shur prior to the parting of the Reed Sea. In Exodus 15:22, when they left the Reed Sea, they re-entered into the wilderness of Shur.

In my Bible atlas it shows three possible routes the Jews could have taken. One of these routes is to the far north and the map actually shows three possible locations for Mt. Sinai with question marks after each one. The map also shows three possible locations for the Reed Sea with question marks as well.

Have you studied this at all and if so, do you have any insight? Thanks

My reply

> > Jews never did cross the Reed Sea to the other side but actually made a half-circle and ended up on the same shore when everything was said and done. The purpose of this was to bait the Egyptians into entering the water allowing God to drown them.

It's very hard to believe that the Egyptians would deliberately guide horses and chariots into the water without seeing the Israelites on the other side. Besides, what would make the 2nd one try it after the 1st one didn't make it to the other side? However, if they saw the Israelites crossing safely on foot, they would naturally think they could do it on horseback or in horse-drawn chariots. The Israelites seen crossing on dry ground was the bait that led the Egyptians toward them. It was a trap the unsuspecting were drawn into. Ex. 15:9 says, "The enemy said, I WILL PURSUE, I WILL OVERTAKE."

When God says something, I believe it. He doesn't lie. Ex. 14:21-31 says, "Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided. And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground: and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left. And THE EGYPTIANS PURSUED, and went in after them to the midst of the sea, even all Pharaoh's horses, his chariots, and his horsemen....And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand over the sea, that the waters may come again upon the Egyptians, upon their chariots, and upon their horsemen. And Moses stretched forth his hand over the sea, and the sea returned to his strength when the morning appeared; and the Egyptians fled against it; and the LORD overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea. And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them. But the children of Israel walked upon dry land in the midst of the sea; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left. Thus the LORD saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians dead upon the sea shore. And Israel saw that great work which the LORD did upon the Egyptians: and the people feared the LORD, and believed the LORD."

> > according to my maps, they were in the wilderness of Shur prior to the parting of the Reed Sea. In Exodus 15:22, when they left the Reed Sea, they re-entered into the wilderness of Shur.

The Israelites were leaving Egypt, not leaving the wilderness. My maps show the wilderness of Shur in the Sinai Peninsula. Why else would it be called wilderness? Ex. 15:22 says nothing about re-entering the wilderness. It says, "Moses brought Israel from the Red (cuwph, reed) sea, and they went out into the wilderness of Shur (west of Egypt). and they went three days in the wilderness (midbar, desert, i.e., place of no water, away from the sea), and found no water." Agape

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I hope you are in "Jesus" health! A while back you spoke of the Hebraic Roots version Bible. Which version is this and do you maybe have a publisher name or ISBN number or where you referring to a different translation just based more literally upon the Hebrew? Could you let me know. In Jesus

My reply

We're ok.

Title: Hebraic-Roots Version "New Testament"
A translation of the "New Testament" taken from ancient Hebrew and Aramaic manuscripts.
Translated by James S. Trimm
Published by Society for the Advancement of Nazarene Judaism
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