Pro and Con 83, Uploaded 4-5-98

Incoming Email

I love your site. It is very interesting and informative.

I have some questions.

1. Why midnight, Jerusalem time? Doesn't the Jewish day begin at sundown?

2. Why different days for Pentecost? "Pentecost" means 50 - and that is 50 days. Pentecost is always 50 days from Passover. Passover is always a Saturday. Seven weeks of seven days in 49 days - another Saturday, plus one day (50 days) = Sunday. Penecost should always be a Sunday.

I do not claim to be a scholar and admit that I may be lacking in understanding. I am open and eager to learn. Please share your insight with me.

I pray that God will bless you and honor your excellent efforts. I also pray that you are correct in your conclusions.

If the Lord choses to tarry beyond Pentecost, 1998, please do not be discouraged. He has a purpose and will accomplish that purpose. Your friend in Christ

My reply

> 1. Why midnight, Jerusalem time? Doesn't the Jewish day begin at sundown?

Midnight is from the parable of the ten virgins. The Bridegroom came at midnight. The Jewish day now begins at 6:00 PM. It used to begin at sundown.

> 2. Why different days for Pentecost? "Pentecost" means 50 - and that is 50
> days. Pentecost is always 50 days from Passover. Passover is always a
> Saturday. Seven weeks of seven days in 49 days - another Saturday, plus one
> day (50 days) = Sunday. Penecost should always be a Sunday.

Because the Jewish Talmudic Calendar does not always put Pentecost on Sunday. Passover is not always on Saturday, either. According to Jewish Calendar laws, Nisan 14 can fall on Monday, Wednesday, Friday or Saturday. It cannot fall on Sunday, Tuesday or Thursday.

I agree that Pentecost should always be on Sunday, but according to this calendar, it is not.

Don't worry about me. My faith can't be shaken, no matter what.

His reply

> I agree that Pentecost should always be on Sunday, but according to this calendar,
> it is not.

...So what? God created the festivals and He decides when they happen. Other opinions are irrelevant. The Festivals are the foundation for prophecy. If you want to understand prophecy, learn the Festivals - the way God intended them. The prophetic fullfillment of Pentecost happened on a Sunday. You can be sure that the prophetic fullfillment of the remaining festivals will match Leviticus 23 and NOT a Talmudic calendar.

My reply

You are so right, but there have been two schools of thought on how to interpret Lev. 23:11. Some say it refers to the Saturday sabbath. Others say it refers to the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is a sabbath (which means rest) for they were told in verse 7, "ye shall do no servile work therein.

It is just nice that this year, both the Hebrew Calendar and the Talmudic Calendar agree on Pentecost. Both have May 31, 1998, and it falls on a Sunday, the correct day, no arguments.

Incoming Email

I like reading your pages and to see the care & concern people are spreading through your work! It looks like you will have alot of school papers to show our Father when we rush (raptured) Home from school!

It is a blessing to see Christians helping Christians bare the burdens of each other.

I am so happy to see people excited and motivated to bring people to Christ and join "The Family"! We all may not know each other right now, but one day (God willing sooner than later) we all will get a chance to meet.

Incoming Email

Just to explain where I'm coming from....a Christian publisher in the U.K. has asked me to write a book about the end of the world. I guess I'm starting from the New Testament command to carry on "as normal" until such time as the Lord returns -- so I have to assume the book will be published!

I wonder if you'd have time to reply to the following questions?

(1) Do you see yourself as a "leader"? Is there a group of people around you who share your understanding of Scripture and your expectations about the rapture?

***From Marilyn: (1a) No. I am just an ordinary person who has studied the Bible intensively for about 38 years. I prayed to understand everything God wanted man to know about the Bible--all the deep things, everything. He answered that prayer and put a rectangle of light on Jer. 50:2. It said publish and conceal not. I am merely sharing my findings with those who are interested. I have written three books, "Exit: 2007: The Secret of Secrets Revealed," "Heaven Found: A Butter and Honey Star," and "Revelations 2000." I have a Web page, Bible Prophecy Corner. There I tell why I think the Rapture will be on Pentecost in 1998. I also answer questions in the Pro and Con section.

(1b) I do not head up any group.

> (2) Have you seen it as your job to "warn the world" that this event is about to happen, or are you addressing mainly the church?

***I know that "the world" isn't really listening. Therefore, I write mainly for Christians. I want every one of them to realize before it is too late that to be chosen as the Bride of Christ, we must be as wise virgins with our vessels filled with the oil of the Holy Spirit. We should use I John 1:9 and confess our known sins so the Lord can cleanse us of all unrighteousness. We want to be Philadelphian wise virgins, before whom Jesus has placed the open door, not Laodicean foolish virgins that will be spewed out of his mouth when he comes to get the Bride of Christ.

Jesus said, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man" (Luke 21:36).

> (3) Are you absolutely certain of the date? (I mean to the extent that you might blow your savings on a holiday before it comes!)

***I have no savings to blow. We have not had a vacation for so long that I can't remember when we did. My concern is to keep a roof over our heads and food in our mouths.

As to the certainty of the date, I am not a prophet and cannot say, "Thus saith the Lord." I merely say that this is how it looks to me; study the scriptures and see if these things are so. However, personally, I expect the Rapture on Pentecost, May 31, 1998. All the signs seem to converge on 1998, 5758 on the Jewish Calendar.

It is the 6,000th year of mankind's test since he became mortal and knew both good and evil. It is modern Israel's Jubilee Year, when debts were to be forgiven and land returned to the owner. Israel took the temple area June 7, 1967. Therefore, that generation is now 30 years old, the age when priests could assume their duties at the temple. They could serve from 30 up to their 50th year.

The last generation, born when Israel grew leaves (Gaza, Golan Heights, Sinai and West Bank) in the Six-Day War of 1967, will end in 2007. I expect the Tribulation to begin in 2001. At this time, the temple should be there for Revelation 11 mentions it when God's two witnesses begin to prophesy at the beginning of the Tribulation.

The four Jewish years, figured by Jewish inclusive reckoning, between the Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation are explained in the Parable of the Barren Fig Tree in Luke 13:6-9. They are, I believe, 5758 (our 1998), 5759 (1999), 5760 (2000), and 5761 (2001). The temple may be constructed in this period.

The Feast of Pentecost (which means 50, and 1948 + 50 = 1998) is also called the Feast of Weeks. I expect the timing of the four Jewish years to be exact, from the Rapture on Pentecost, 5758, to the beginning of the Seventieth Week of Daniel (the Tribulation) on the Feast of Weeks, 5761.

The seven-year Tribulation is to be shortened or no flesh would be saved. According to Dan. 8:14, it is to last 2,300 days. From the Feast of Weeks, 5761 to the Feast of Trumpets, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007) is exactly 2,300 days (by inclusive reckoning). I believe the millennial Day of the Lord will begin that day. The year 2007 is 40 years from 1967, when the Sign of the End of the Age appeared.

Everything fits exactly. The four Jewish years from the Rapture to the Tribulation are 5758, 5759, 5760 and 5761. The seven years of the Tribulation are 5761, 5762, 5763, 5764, 5765, 5767 and 5768.

I expect Christ to return on the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year, Nisan 1, 5768 (our April 6, 2008, the anniversary of the Crucifixion on our calendar).

Ezekiel 29:17 mentions the month and day, "in the first month, in the first day of the month." Then verse 21 says, "In that day (Nisan 1) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (Logos, Word, i.e., Christ, John 1:1,2,14) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."

Christ will return on the same day all the other Israelite kings officially took office.

The time from the Feast of Trumpets (Tishri 1, 5768) to the following Nisan 1, 5768 is seven months because 5768 is a Jewish leap year. The Israelites bury the dead during these seven months to cleanse the land for the Lord's return (Ezek. 39:12,13).

> (4) Have any pictures from space probes etc. strengthened your conviction that heaven is a planet in our solar system?

***Yes. Heaven has golden clouds and seven rings around it. The Voyager expeditions proved that Saturn has seven rings. We already knew that it had golden clouds, but the pictures gave details not seen before.

> (5) What do you think you'll be doing on June 1st?

***Attending the assembly in Heaven. Hebrews 12:22-24 says, "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant."

> (6) What does your husband Ed feel about upcoming events in 1998?

***He hopes I am right and says that all the signs look like it will happen at that time.

Incoming Email

I recieved your pamphlet in the mail today, and have just finished reading most of it. I thank you much for sending it, and I intend on sharing it with my girlfriend. I would like to ask that you pray for her, as I do, that she would see God's light.

Before I go, I do have a question about your personal thoughts. What is it that leads you to believe that there will be two raptures, who will go up in which one, and when will they be(each one individually)?[Please point to bible verses, if possible.]

Thank you very much for your time, and I hope to hear from you soon.

My reply

There is a Pre-Trib Rapture and a Pre-Wrath Rapture. I think the first will take place next Pentecost, May 31, 1998, and the second will take place on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 13, 2007, the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord.

It looks like the first Rapture is for the Bride of Christ, the second for the rest of the Body of Christ. The five wise virgins had enough oil of the Holy Spirit in their vessels and went with the Bridegroom when he came (Mt. 25). I think the foolish virgins are the same as the Laodiceans of Rev. 3:14-22. Jesus said that they will still be granted "to sit with me in my throne" (3:21). However, they do have to live on Earth during the worst seven years since Adam was put on Earth. Many will be martyrs. Some will make it to the second Rapture.

One Rapture is in Rev. 4:1, where Christ says, "Come up hither." Then in the next verse, John was to be shown "things which must be hereafter." The Tribulation starts in Rev. 6, when the man on the white horse rides forth as a prince of peace. I think it starts on the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost in 2001.

Rev. 6 takes us all the way from the beginning of the Tribulation to when "the great day of his wrath is come" (last verse). That is the 2300th day (Dan. 8:14) of the shortened Tribulation. The sixth seal is already open (6:12).

Next, we have Rev. 7. In verse 14, we find "These are they which came out of great tribulation." They are before the throne of God in Heaven. This is the Rapture of the Tribulation saints. It comes after that sixth seal is opened in 6:12 and before the seventh seal is opened in Rev. 8:1. At that time, the seven trumpet judgments hit Earth.

Therefore, Rapture II takes place on the Day of God's Wrath, but before the seven trumpet judgments hit. It takes place between the breaking of the sixth and seventh seals.

Thus, the wise virgins go with the Bridegroom the first time and so are "accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man" (Lu. 21:36). The foolish virgins buy their oil and are ready the second time, but it looks like we only get one chance to be chosen as the Bride.

I think the first Rapture is typified by the Gentile Enoch and the days of Noah, the second by the Hebrew Elijah and the days of Lot, when fire fell that same day.

Incoming Email

I've been reading your Web page since the 6th of Sivan last year. I've been expecting the Rapture on Pentecost for the past couple of years, ever since I heard Chuck Missler's study on the book of Ruth.

This is why I am writing to you: I had been out walking a few weeks ago, when I prayed out loud "Lord, I just hope that you do come soon--even this Pentecost". And I seemed to sense a reply, "But if not?" It reminded me of Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah's reply to King Nebuchadnezzar. And when I saw this reply of yours today, my heart was warmed:

> > I hope that youre right about May 31st.

> Me too, but if not, I will wait patiently till it happens.

And so, that is where I find myself. "Me, too. But if not, I will patiently wait".

My reply

Thanks for reminding me of exactly what they said. I sure wasn't thinking of it when I said that.

Incoming Email

Thanks for sending me the books, I am really getting a lot out of them! I also am Baptist back ground and have been interested in endtimes since the 50's.

I do have a problem with the thought of some believers being left behind at the rapture it has to nulify the "saved by Grace" alone if we go based on any merit of our own and where do you draw the line? also what about the lukewarm dead in Christ? Do they stay in the grave? I do believe there will be a rapture for the tribulation saints, those saved after the first rapture. I really appreciate you and your wonderful attitude and trust you know I am not being picky. Thanks so much! Love in Him!

My reply

I don't know exactly when I started to study the Bible as hard as I could go, but years later, I found study notes dated 1960. If I could just remember when BIOLA built the La Mirada. CA, Campus, I could come closer. My library card was #043. We moved to La Mirada in 1955. That was maybe two years before BIOLA was there. I'm terrible when it comes to keeping track of time. Anyway, somewhere between 1955 and 1960, I started to study full blast.

> I do have a problem with the thought of some believers being left behind at the rapture
> it has to nulify the "saved by Grace" alone if we go based on any merit
> of our own and where do you draw the line?

We are all saved by grace alone. Going in Rapture I only has to do with being worthy to be chosen as the Bride of Christ. The others taken up at the second Rapture are still saved by grace. I don't know where the line is. Only the Lord knows. He will choose his own Bride. One thing I do know, any normal bridegroom would choose a bride that loved him to pieces over one that was only lukewarm, any day. Since Philadelphia means brotherly love, I expect Christ to do the same.

> also what about the lukewarm dead in Christ? Do they stay in the grave?

I assume that they will not be raised up until the time of the second Rapture. There are different ranks in the first resurrection.

Incoming Email

You are such a blessing to me, and you have such a kind spirit. May God provide all the desires of your hart.

I have a few questions please.

Mathew 13:41 When will these bad people be taken away by the angels and at what stage. (People are saying that first the bad people will be taken away and secondly the bride)

Who will be living on the earth during the 1000 millenium and will the earth as we now know it only be destroyed after the millenium - then the new heaven and earth and the new Jerusalem.

How and where did you find out that Adam left the Garden of Eden after 40 years.

My reply

> When will these bad people be taken away by the angels and at
> what stage. (People are saying that first the bad people will be taken
> away and secondly the bride)

The Bride is taken to Heaven before the Tribulation. This has to do with a time starting with the 2300th day of the shortened Tribulation. The 2300th day is the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord--on Earth.

The good seed are the children of the kingdom (the Messianic earth rule of Jesus Christ). These are those that will live on into the millennial Day of the Lord, when Christ is King of kings.

Mt. 13:40-43 says, "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world (lit. consummation of the age, i.e., and beginning of the Millennium). The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of HIS KINGDOM all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the KINGDOM OF THEIR FATHER. Who hath hears to hear, let him hear."

If you have ears to hear, you can see here that "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" (II Cor. 5:19). It is both Christ's kingdom and their Father's kingdom.

> Who will be living on the earth during the 1000 millenium

It looks like it will be the "sheep" from the Judgment of the Nations plus most of the saved Israelites from Old Testament days. They were to inherit the Earth. Some, like Abraham, will choose Heaven (Heb. 11:16). Daniel is to stand in his lot on Earth at the end of 1335 days counted from the middle of the Tribulation.

Mt. 25:33,34 says, "And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world."

> and will the earth as we now know it only be destroyed after the millenium - then the
> new heaven and earth and the new Jerusalem.

The "new" heavens (lit., plural) and the "new" Earth are not newly created. The word translated "new" means refreshed. The catastrophe of the first day of the Millennium ruins Earth and burns up a portion of the elements of the heavens, the atmosphere. Christ makes them, as he did the Garden of Eden, refreshed again, early in the Millennium to make Earth a fit habitat for mankind. The outside of the Earth is changed as you would change a coat. Earth itself is to be here forever.

New Jerusalem seems to come down and orbit the Earth. He "hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (over) the earth" (Rev. 5:10). "And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it, and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it" (Rev. 21:24).

> How and where did you find out that Adam left the Garden of Eden after 40 years.

In 1969, nineteen college age kids came to our house at one time or other to study the Bible with me. One of them, Bob Miko, was a draftsman. He offered to put two of my charts together and draw them to scale. The next day, he came back telling me that he stayed up till midnight and the two charts would not fit together unless the Dispensation of Innocence was outside the chart of the three great 2000-year ages, the Age of the Gentiles, the Age of the Jews, and the Age of the Church. At first, I didn't believe him, but he was right. Forty years went by before the Age of the Gentiles began with the Dispensation of Conscience.

Now that I know it, the whole thing makes sense. Forty means testing and probation. Jesus was tested forty days. The kings, Saul, David, and Solomon each reigned forty years. The Israelites were tested in the wilderness forty years.

Adam had a chance of not having to die. At first, he did not know both good and evil. His test was a bit different from ours.

Mankind's 7000-years of testing began when he became mortal and knew both good and evil. This year is the 6000th year since that day when Adam was judged and cast out of the Garden. A wise man's heart discerns both "time" and "judgment." Time here, is the 7000 years. This judgment is 7 years, the Tribulation.

That is a bit of an oversimplification of the timeline because the Tribulation is shortened or no flesh would be saved and Israel is given a few grace years before the Tribulation starts (Lu. 13:6-9), probably so the temple can be built. In all, there are about 7049 years that we can account for from the creation of Adam to the Great White Throne Judgment.

These are the years covered by the Bible. Only vague hints are given of ancient times before Adam or of things past the Great White Throne Judgment in the future.

Her reply

Thank you for never stop answering peoples questions. It is as if you are a library of knowledge on the only subject I am passionate about. I can never get enough. I have everything my heart desires, a loving husband, two beautifull sons, money, sometimes I cannot understand why I so long for the return of Jesus, because I am so happy here on earth. Jesus is so good to me - WHY THEN DO I WANT HIM TO COME BACK SO BADLY. COME JESUS COME.

Re: our previous E-Mail.
Mt 13:40-43. If the wicked is taken away at the beginning of the millennium and the children of the kingdom lives through the 1000 years, who is the nations that will be deceive by Satan at the end of the 1000 years, who is as the sand of the sea. (Rev 20:8-9). Could it be the children of the kingdom (children of God). Who can it be? They were raptured, who can they be deceived?

The people during the 1000 years, will they get married and have children, who do you think they will live.. Thank you very much.

My reply

During the Millennium, life will go on much the same as it does now after Earth is refreshed, including its atmospheric heavens. The life span of mankind will be increased, but I don't think anyone will live 1000 years. Adam was told that in the day he sinned, he would die. He lived 930 years (Gen. 5:5). Therefore that day was a 1000-year day. Not even Methuselah lived 1000 years.

In the Millennium, Christ will be King of kings and Lord of lords. King David will rule as a prince under Christ. People will marry and have children. They will build and plant.

Even with all this, a perfect king, a perfect environment and no Satanic influence for 1000 years, mankind will still fail his final test. After the Millennium, Satan will be loosed to try these people who have lived without Satanic influence in their lives. Instigated by Satan, a group will gather out of "the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth" (Rev. 20:8), i.e., a sort of united nations army all over again. History will repeat. This great army will surround Jerusalem, thinking to destroy it. The Lord will fight for Israel again. Fire will come down from heaven and destroy the invaders. Satan will be cast into the lake of fire.

When the Lord says that the world will be ruled from Jerusalem, he means it. It will come to pass. Satan cannot stop it.

None of this concerns those that were taken to Heaven in the Rapture. Their test is over. It looks like they will help Christ set up the Millennial government, then go back to the heavenly New Jerusalem. If they are needed to do work on Earth, they can travel back and forth. I do not think that Christ will stay on Earth during the whole Millennium. That is why he sets king David back on the throne.

Ezek. 34:23,24 says, "I will set up ONE shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them."

Jer. 30:9 says, "But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up onto them."

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