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Posted 11-8-01

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FLASH! Update on Dr. Eby, by Jim Bramlett

...Most of you know of retired medical doctor Dr. Richard Eby. Decades ago he had a clinical death experience when the Lord took him to heaven and showed him marvelous things beyond description. Then the Lord sent Eby back and told him to preach the gospel, and that he would not die before the rapture.

At that time, Eby was relatively young man. He is now about age 90, and in rapidly failing health. Because of his experience, many have been watching his health as a signpost for the rapture. It is now revealed that this is what the Lord intended.

I am acquainted with two people who know Dr. Eby personally and see him often. It has been reported to me several times that Eby cannot have much longer to live. His heart stopped beating 2-3 times this past July. He is in a wheelchair and cannot care for himself. Lately he has lost mental functioning and has not even recognized his wife.

Yesterday Rev. Ron Patterson left a message on my answering service at home and I was able to speak to him last night. Ron has been a close friend of Dr. Eby for many years. In fact, Eby flies Ron from Kentucky to California once a month to preach at his church.

Ron reports that he was at Dr. Eby's church this past Saturday and Eby was rolled in, in a wheel chair. He seemed greatly improved mentally, but physically just as bad. Ron reports that it was a greatly anointed service, one of the greatest he has ever seen. After the service, Dr. Eby grabbed Ron by the arm and said he had something important he had to tell him.

With great emotion, Dr. Eby shared that the Lord had visited him again that week, on about Tuesday or Wednesday, as Ron remembers. That would have made it October 30 or 31. Eby said, "I want to tell you because I know you will believe me." Eby said that he revealed several things to him:

1. The Lord affirmed what he previously told Eby, that he will not die before the rapture.

2. The Lord said he had not healed him because people all over the world know about his testimony and are watching, and the Lord wanted Eby's condition to clearly reveal to the world how close the rapture is.

3. The Lord told him, "It is too late now for your message. Your testimony is losing its effect. Your battle is all but over. I am ready to come."

4. The Lord ominously told him that things are closing so rapidly that the only message now to the people of the world is "repent or perish."

5. Eby said the Lord further told him, "In three weeks from now, something will happen that will change the course of history for the whole world." No further information on this was given. (Three weeks from October 30-31 would be Thanksgiving week, I believe. Three weeks exactly from October 30 is November 20.)

Dr. Eby personally believes that the rapture is so close that it may be in November and may be the event the Lord spoke about, but that is just his opinion.

On the way home, Ron picked up a USA Today newspaper in the seat next to him and his eyes fell on an article mentioning that on November 20 the United Nations will name ten members to the Security Council, and he wonders if this has anything to do with the word Eby received. Or could it be the rapture? Or a new terrorist strike with a weapon of mass destruction? Or a meteor hit upon the earth? Or a sudden war and nuclear exchange in the Middle East? No one knows.

Whichever, let us keep short, short accounts with the Lord, pray for others, witness, and pray that we will be counted worthy to escape the things coming upon the earth and to stand before the Son of Man....

God bless you, Jim
US Satellite Detection Of Portable Nuclear Weapons
From Robert (name protected) 11-7-1
As you have probably heard from the major news networks, there is some concern about the so-called portable nuclear devices developed by the old USSR. Their former head of the KGB has confirmed the existence of 150 portable devices: 100 of which are presently unaccounted for.

First of all, portable refers to a low yield device with casing that would require an 18 wheeler to transport! "Suitcase device" is a misnomer. Second, none of these devices are missing; We know exactly where these devices are located at any given point in time.
Re: meeting of Dalits ("untouchables") of India
Update from Dr. K.P. Yohannan
...The Dalit delegates responded very positively to Brother K.P.'s message. The Dalit leaders especially expressed their gratitude for the openness of the Church in inviting them to be a part of God's family. After his speech, one key national Dalit leader approached Brother K.P. with a firm handshake, saying, "Thank you for opening your heart to us. We are one."...
Understanding Islam and Roman Catholicism (Mike Gendron)
Mike Gendron is a former Catholic. He graduated from Dallas Theological Seminary in 1991 with a Master's Degree in Biblical Studies.

...A close look at the Koran, a book Muslims believe to be the word of God, reveals some possible motivations for the suicide mission of the highjackers. But first, we must clear up some common misconceptions. Muslims, Jews and Christians do not worship the same God. "Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father" (1 John 2:23). "Islam" does not mean "peace." It means "submission" to Allah. The word for peace in Arabic is "salam," not "islam." Islam has been a religion of conversion by force ever since its founder Muhammad rode into Mecca on a stallion with a sword in the 7th century. The Koran calls Muslims to participate in a jihad or a holy war against the enemies of Islam. Those who die for the cause of Allah are the only Muslims who are guaranteed paradise....

According to the Koran Muslims are to "make war on the infidels who dwell around you" (Surah 9: 122). "Kill them wherever you find them...if they attack you put them to the sword...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme...If any one attacks you, attack him as he attacked you" (Surah 2: 190-4). "When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them" (Surah 9: 5)....
My note: no wonder Arafat acts as he does. He's one of them.
Peres working on `Gaza first' plan for Palestinian state
By Aluf Benn and Gideon Alon
11-6-01 Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said yesterday that he is working on a new diplomatic initiative together with Foreign Minister Shimon Peres....

Peres presented Sharon with a draft initiative of a plan on Sunday. The plan includes the following:

Cease-fire: Israel will not negotiate under fire.

Goals: Israel will negotiate with the Palestinians to reach a final settlement on the basis of UN Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338.

Statehood: A Palestinian state will be established. It will be demilitarized, and its borders will be determined through negotiations. Sharon said yesterday that he has often said that he is ready for painful compromises for peace, but that in any deal with the Palestinians, he will insist that Israel retain control over the broadest possible section of the Jordan Valley, as well as a narrower strip in the western part of the West Bank.

Gaza first: The first model for implementing the plan would be in Gaza, where the Palestinians have territorial contiguity.

Jerusalem: The status quo will remain, including Palestinian control over the Temple Mount. If it becomes impossible to reach a written agreement on Jerusalem, the issue will be postponed and the city's management will continue in its present form.

Refugees: There will be no right of return for Palestinian refugees inside the state of Israel. An international committee will be established to arrange for compensation for Palestinian refugees and Jewish refugees from Arab countries.

The American element: The U.S. will guarantee the final designated borders of the state of Israel. Israel will coordinate politically with the U.S.

Defense treaty: Israel will seek a defense treaty with the U.S.

Sharon's own plan emphasizes the security borders needed by Israel, and includes an Israeli demand that the IDF hold positions on all sides of the Palestinian state, and that Israel have airspace rights over the Palestinian state....
Powell to present peace plan at UN, By Lamia Lahoud
JERUSALEM 11-6-01 - The Palestinian Authority expects US Secretary of State Colin Powell to present the outlines of a peace plan at the UN General Assembly session November 10-17...

...In late September, Israeli Prime Minister Sharon suddenly stated that he supported a Palestinian State and would give one to Arafat if he would just halt the violence....

Just a few days later, President Bush said essentially the same thing, under the same conditions. Once again, people were dumbfounded, for the Palestinians originated the concept of terror in the 1980's to achieve their goals. Arafat's men were the ones highjacking airplanes all throughout the 1970-1980's; Arafat's men were the ones who slaughtered 11 Jewish Olympic athletes during the 1972 Munich Games; Arafat's men were the ones who originated and perfected the suicide bombers.

And, now, both President Bush and Israeli Prime Minister Sharon want to give Arafat his own Palestinian state?...

We believe it possible that either President Bush or Secretary of State Colin Powell will announce a "breakthrough" peace plan -- possibly on November 11 -- that will give the Palestinians some kind of a state, albeit with strict Israeli controls. But, further, it is possible that Bush's plan may internationalize Jerusalem, and that Sharon will support such a move "in the interest of peace".

If this occurs, Step 3 of the New Jerusalem Covenant might materialize: Jerusalem might be declared an international city and the United Nations might then vote to make this declaration official. The peoples of the world would believe they suddenly had "peace in their time", and would exult greatly. People might even be saying "we finally have peace and safety".

Once Jerusalem is internationalized, the Roman Catholic Pope would travel to Jerusalem to announce that, from that moment on, all religions of the world were one, and he was their top leader....

When President Bush addresses the United Nations on the 11th day of the 11th month, 2001, the time period between the signing of the Armistice in 1918, and Bush's address in 2001 will be exactly, to the day, 83 years. When you add this interval as an occultist would -- 8 + 3 -- you get another '11'....

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Re: The Time of Jacob's Trouble
I was surprised at your post on the Five Doves stating that the "Time of Jacob's Trouble" is but one day! I do nor wish to offend you however...I think sometime this last spring I was reading a post on the "Doves" and I received confirmation that we were already in the "Time of Jacob's Trouble". This tells me that it is far longer than a day. Anyway we'll have something to discuss in Heaven when we meet!...

My reply

I saw that post. The Rabbis in Israel made a public declaration that Israel had entered the time of Jacob's trouble, but what man says doesn't make it so. What the Bible says is what we should go by. I think they had entered the 7 bad years, as when Joseph was in Egypt, not the time of Jacob's trouble, which is the Day of God's Wrath. God's wrath falls because Gog's united nations' army attacks Israel that day (Eze. 38:18-20). The Lord will fight for Israel (Zech. 14:2,3). I think that on the Day of God's Wrath, "the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof" (Isa. 24:1). To me, that is the day of Jacob's trouble.

The Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993. They were ratified 3 days later in Israel on Tishri 1, 5754. Sept. 13, 1993 + 7 good years = Sept. 13, 2000. Add the 7 bad years, and we come to Sept. 13, 2007.

If we start with Tishri 1, 5754, add 7 good years and 7 bad years, we come to Tishri 1, 5768, which just happens to be Sept. 13, 2007. To me, that seems to be something God would arrange. I think we entered the 7 bad years on Tishri 1, 5761 (Sept. 30, 2000).

I am sending you a copy of my reply to Mark's e-mail last night. Besides that, take a look at Dan. 11:36-45 and 12:1,2. In 11:36, the False Prophet comes on the scene Mid-Trib. He "shall prosper till the indignation (zaam, froth at the mouth anger, rage) be accomplished." In 11:45, "he shall come to his end." That day is the Day of God's Wrath. Keep in mind that the original had no chapter divisions.

Dan. 12:1,2 says, "And at that time (day the False Prophet is deposed from office by God's wrath) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a TIME OF TROUBLE, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION, EVEN TO THAT SAME TIME: and at that time thy people shall be delivered (malat, ESCAPE, LEAP OUT, i.e., the Pre-Wrath Rapture), every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake."

On the same day will come the Pre-Wrath Rapture and God's Wrath. That day is the day of Jacob's trouble. That "TIME OF TROUBLE" can only be one day, because such a day "never was (before that day) since there was a nation." This Day of God's Wrath is only one day. The Pre-Trib Rapture is only one day. It is a day like no other, the day the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 impact Earth. Neither the Pre-Wrath Rapture nor the asteroid impacts happen every day for 7 years. They take place on one day that is like no other day--ever. That day is the day of Christ's Coronation, when he receives his kingdom, the day of the Marriage of the Lamb and the Judgment Seat of Christ. The wrath that hits Earth is because of the Lord's judgment that day.

The wrath that hits Earth does not fall on mankind every day for 7 years. It hits on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord.

Dan. 7:25-28 says, "he (the False Prophet) shall speak great words against the most High (Christ, Isa. 44:6), and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (3.5 years). But the JUDGMENT SHALL SIT, and they shall take away his (the False Prophet's) dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end (of Armageddon). And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. Hitherto is the end of the matter."

Rev. 11:17,18 says, "We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come (the Second Advent is 7 months future, Eze. 39:12,13); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast REIGNED. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED, and that thou shouldest give REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND SHOULDEST DESTROY THEM WHICH DESTROY THE EARTH." This all takes place on one day.

When the unbelievers are destroyed can only take place on one day, the Day of God's Wrath. The asteroids do not hit the Earth every day for 7 years. They impact Earth after sentence upon unbelievers left on Earth is pronounced at the Judgment Seat of Christ. Eze. 7:2-6 says, "AN END, THE END is come upon the four corners of the land. Now is THE END come upon thee, and I will send MINE ANGER upon thee, and will JUDGE THEE according to thy ways, and will recompense upon thee all thine abominations. And mine eye shall not spare thee, neither will I have pity: but I will recompense thy ways upon thee, and thine abominations shall be in the midst of thee: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. Thus saith the Lord GOD; AN EVIL, AN ONLY EVIL, behold, is come. AN END is come, THE END is come: it watcheth for thee; behold, it is come."

Other verses that mention THE TIME OF TROUBLE show that it is one day, THE DAY of God's Wrath. Job 38:23 says, "Which I have reserved against THE TIME OF TROUBLE, against THE DAY of battle and war?" Psa 27:5 says, "For in THE TIME OF TROUBLE he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock" (Heaven, i.e., at the Pre-Wrath Rapture). Eze 7:7 says, "THE MORNING is come unto thee, O thou that dwellest in the land: THE TIME is come, THE DAY OF TROUBLE, and not the sounding again of the mountains." "THE DAY OF TROUBLE" is the same as "THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE."

Jer. 30:7-9 says, "Alas! for THAT DAY (one single day) is great, so that NONE IS LIKE IT (no other day is like it--ever): IT IS EVEN THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE; but he shall be saved out of it. For it shall come to pass in THAT DAY (one day), saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him: But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them." Agape

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Re: Where to now?
Been with you since 1998 and your post have encouraged much. Now that 2001 is almost over, that window for the "rapture" seems almost non-existent. Feast days have come and gone, leap years have become moot and calendars seem to be of little help.

This is not a criticism of your scholarship or on your integrity, - just, where to now? The Blessed Hope deferred so many times has made more than the heart weary. In Him

My reply

Hang in there. The year is not over yet. Even if it was, overcomers have to endure until the end. Watch current events, especially concerning the peace agreement, the Pope, the UN and UR. Keep in mind that the final agreement will take place after the Rapture, because it will reveal the man who will be the False Prophet. He is being hindered from being revealed as long as we are here.

People that have lived in other times would have loved to have had the chance to see the developments we are seeing. The end is near. The messages for the 7 churches are for us. "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches." Our patient enduring will be rewarded.

Notice the similarity of Rev. 3:10 and Isa. 57:1. Here are each in 2 different versions for comparison:

Rev 3:10 (KJV) says, "Because thou hast kept the word of MY PATIENCE, I also will keep thee FROM THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION (peirasmos, trial, testing), which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

Rev. 3:10 (ISV) says, "Because you have kept MY COMMAND TO ENDURE, I will keep you FROM THE HOUR OF TESTING that is coming to the whole world to test those living on the earth."

Isa. 57:1 (KJV) says, "THE RIGHTEOUS perisheth (abad, escapes, vanishes), and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away (acaph, gathered, removed, evacuated), none considering that THE RIGHTEOUS is taken away (acaph, gathered, removed, evacuated) FROM THE EVIL TO COME."

iSA. 57:1 (YLT) says, "THE RIGHTEOUS hath perished, And there is none laying it to heart, And men of kindness are gathered, Without any considering that FROM THE FACE OF EVIL Gathered is THE RIGHTEOUS one." Agape

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Re: The Time of Jacob's Trouble
I think you are confused as to reading my post on the Five Doves site. My post was in response to a letter from Phil Rogers months before they declared the "Time of Jacob's Trouble" in Israel!!! And, I agree that it is confusing remembering all the various posts on that site. Then too, the reason I am not teaching is because it is a responsibility of serious importance. I do feel for some reason due to the STRONG confirmation that I need to tell you "we have been in the "Time of Jacob's Trouble" for quite some time now." That it surely does NOT last but a day.

I wish to compliment you on all the hard work you've put into your site and agree with most of it. However this time is not one of them. GOD Bless you and your hubby

My reply

I confused your post with the one about the Rabbi's statement. We don't have to agree on everything. Hardly any 2 could agree on every point. As long as we are right about Christ, we can be wrong on other things and still make it to Heaven.

I have to stick by what I think I see in Scripture. Here are some of my reasons. Since the Second Rapture takes place on one day that is unlike any other day, and it is "at that time," "a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time" (Dan. 12:1,2), I think this "time of trouble" is one single day.

Since there will not be 2520 days of "hail" and there will not be 2520 days of "THE DAY OF BATTLE AND WAR," to me "THE TIME OF TROUBLE" is the same as "THE DAY OF BATTLE AND WAR" in Job 38:22,23. It says, "hast thou seen the treasures of the hail, Which I have reserved against THE TIME OF TROUBLE, against THE DAY OF BATTLE AND WAR? I think this hail will fall on one single day of battle and war.

Since the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place on one day, to me, "THE TIME OF TROUBLE" in Psa. 27:4,5 is referring to that special day. It says, "One thing have I desired of the LORD, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the LORD, and to enquire in his temple. For in THE TIME OF TROUBLE he shall hide me in his pavilion: IN THE SECRET OF HIS TABERNACLE SHALL HE HIDE ME, HE SHALL SET ME UP UPON A ROCK" (Heaven).

The secret of his tabernacle refers to its indicating that Heaven is the "third heaven," as Paul tells us in II Cor. 12:2. The Holy Place was two cubes in size. I think they stand for the two spheres that would fit inside those boxes. The length and breadth and height are equal. The Holy of Holies is one cube. It represents Heaven, the sphere that would fit in that cube. I think the first two heavens are Mars and Jupiter and the "third heaven" is the "rock," Saturn.

Eze. 7:7-10 says, "THE MORNING IS COME unto thee, O thou that dwellest in the land: THE TIME (of Jacob's trouble) IS COME, THE DAY OF TROUBLE IS NEAR (it starts at 6 PM) and not the sounding again of the mountains (kingdoms). Now will I shortly pour out my fury upon thee, and accomplish mine anger upon thee: and I will judge thee according to thy ways, and will recompense thee for all thine abominations. And mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: I will recompense thee according to thy ways and thine abominations that are in the midst of thee; and ye shall know that I am the LORD that smiteth. BEHOLD THE DAY, behold, it is come: THE MORNING IS GONE FORTH; the rod hath blossomed, pride hath budded."

Jer. 30:6,7 says, "Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? Alas! for THAT DAY IS GREAT, SO THAT NONE IS LIKE IT, IT IS EVEN THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE; but he shall be saved out of it." Blessings and agape

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Re: New Testament
may God continue to bless you richly!! a few weeks ago, you gave a website and mentioned about the Original New Testament. I went to the site and copied some of the books they offer there (the first one below, the one you mentioned, I assume).

Question...(perhaps a silly one) (are) these books in English and then referenced in Greek/Hebrew so one can study them?

do you have this "Semitic Origin of the New Testament? and is this the one you are talking about? tks so much

BK002 The Semitic Origin of the New Testament
BK010 Hebraic Roots Version New Testament
BK007 A Semitic Approach to the Text of Revelation
BK006 The Book of Enoch

My reply

I would assume these books were all in English if they are sold in the US. I do have the "Hebraic-Roots Version 'New Testament' translated by James S. Trimm, thanks to someone nice that bought it for me. It is in English and is the one I referred to. I have not seen the others.

> > you gave a website and mentioned about the Original New Testament.

Dr. Tabor is translating all the scriptures for "The Original Bible Project." The books of the Bible will be arranged in the original order. That translation is not on the market yet. As far as I know, the final title has not yet been determined. "The Original Bible Project" is a working title. I have all of Genesis and some other small samples of his translation that he has released so far. I like what I have seen. He is trying very hard to keep the level of accuracy to the highest level possible. Notes are included when there is any doubt. I think Dr. Tabor and James Trimm are friends. Agape

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