Pro and Con 832

Posted 11-12-01

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Thanks for sending me your newsletters. We do differ on several things, but I am so glad that you can see 2 Raptures in Scripture. You think one is midway through the 70th week of Daniel and the other the day before the millennial Day of the Lord begins.

I think the Pre-Trib Rapture is before the 70th week of Daniel starts and the Pre-Wrath Rapture is between 6 PM and noon (Zeph. 2:4,5; Rev. 8:8,10), when the asteroids impact Earth, on the first day of the Millennium.

TWO DAYS OF CHRIST

> > The "day of Christ" starts with the first rapture, covers the events of the seals judgements or the great tribulation, and ends with the second rapture.

I think there are TWO separate DAYS OF CHRIST, also called DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN. The two days represent the two Raptures. The first is as the days of Noah. The second is as the days of Lot. Rain falls the 1st time, fire the 2nd.

In Luke 17:22f, Jesus said, "The days will come, when ye shall desire to see ONE of the DAYS (PLURAL, i.e., one of the two days) OF THE SON OF MAN, and ye shall not see it" (Here, he is speaking as if to a Tribulation saint that missed the first Rapture). "And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them." In Mt. 24:26, he said, "if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not."

Continuing in Luke 17, he said, "For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the SON OF MAN be in HIS DAY (SINGULAR, i.e., THE 2ND RAPTURE, also the day of the Sign of the Son of Man on the 1st day of the Millennium, Mt. 24:30)....

"And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the DAYS (PLURAL) of the SON OF MAN. They did eat, they drank, they MARRIED wives, they were given in MARRIAGE, until the DAY that NOE entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all." The first Rapture is as the days of Noah. It is for the bride. Rain falls that day, not fire.

The second Rapture is as the days of Lot. Fire falls that same day. Jesus continued, "Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded (no marriage is listed); But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed."

He is revealed when the smoky atmosphere is rolled away like a scroll and men say, "to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME (i.e., the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord); and who shall be able to stand?" (Rev 6:17).

Mt. 24:30 calls this revealing of Christ THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN. It says, "then shall appear the SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the SON OF MAN coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." Christ does not set his feet on Earth for another 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13) after the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky.

Verse 31 says, "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (it is the Feast of Trumpets), and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other." On the first day of the Millennium, all the saints are to be gathered to the general assembly in Heaven. Those that were caught up in the 1st Rapture are gathered from all parts of Heaven.

Heb. 12:22-25 says, "ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the GENERAL ASSEMBLY and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall NOT WE ESCAPE (NOT BE RAPTURED), if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven."

The time of the 2nd Rapture has come. Mark 13:23-27 says, "take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. (The 6th seal is broken, Rev. 6:12f.) And then shall they SEE the SON OF MAN coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (THE 2ND RAPTURE) to the uttermost part of heaven." Heaven is where those of the 1st Rapture are visiting their habitation. Job 5:24 says, "thou shalt know that thy tabernacle shall be in peace; and thou shalt VISIT THY HABITATION, and shalt NOT SIN."

Back to finish Luke 17:31f: "In that day (Rapture 2 on the 1st day of the Millennium), he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be TAKEN (raptured), and the other shall be left....And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body (Body of Christ) is (in Heaven), thither will the EAGLES (those taken, the high flying Tribulation saints) be gathered together."

Isa 40:31 explains the EAGLE symbolism. It says, "they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; THEY SHALL MOUNT UP WITH WINGS AS EAGLES; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."

I looked up the passages you mentioned concerning the Day of Christ. On some, I included a bit more to make the meaning clear.

1Co 1:7,8: "So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be BLAMELESS in THE DAY OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST" (the 1st Rapture). Notice that we are waiting for the coming of Christ, not for the coming of the wicked one, the False Prophet, as your interpretation of II Thess. 2:3 suggests.

1Co 5:5: "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in THE DAY OF THE LORD JESUS." This may apply to the martyrs in the Tribulation. If so, this would refer to the 2nd Rapture.

2Co 1:14: "As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are ours (suggesting the soul-winner's crown) in the DAY OF THE LORD JESUS." This probably refers to the 1st Rapture.

Phi 1:6: "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the DAY OF JESUS CHRIST." This too probably refers to the 1st Rapture.

Phi 1:10: "That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and WITHOUT OFFENCE till the DAY OF CHRIST" (the 1st Rapture).

Phi 2:14-16: "Do all things without murmurings and disputings: That ye may be BLAMELESS and harmless, the sons of God, WITHOUT REBUKE, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom YE SHINE AS LIGHTS IN THE WORLD (like wise virgins); Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the DAY OF CHRIST (1st Rapture), that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain."

2Th 2:2 (KJV) says, "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the DAY OF CHRIST is at hand." Almost all major MSS have "day of the Lord," which makes better sense to me. It is as the JFB says, "day of Christ--The oldest manuscripts read, 'day of the Lord.'" The ISV says, "not to be so quickly upset or alarmed when someone claims that we said either by some spirit, conversation, or letter that the Day of the Lord has already come."

The first Rapture (first Day of Christ) is the Pre-Trib Rapture. It happens at the FIRST TRUMP. We are about 3.5 years apart on this one, as you think it is mid 70th week of Daniel. The second Rapture (second Day of Christ) is the Pre-Wrath Rapture. It happens at the LAST TRUMP. We are only one day apart on this one.

> > 2nd rapture...This rapture occurs BEFORE the "Day" of the Lord as outlined by the 6th and 7th seals of Revelation and by Paul in I Thess. 4:13-5:9.

I think the 2nd Rapture is ON the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord (i.e., after 6 PM, but before the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 impact Earth at the following noon, Zeph. 2:4,5). It follows (Rev. 7:14) the breaking of the 6th seal (Rev. 6:12) and precedes the breaking of the 7th (Rev. 8:1), when the 7 trumpet judgments hit Earth. Rev. 6:17 says, "For the great DAY OF HIS WRATH is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Nu. 10:1-44 gives us the pattern. It says, "the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest USE THEM (both) FOR THE CALLING OF THE ASSEMBLY (as in Heb. 12:23; Mt. 24:31; Mark 13:27; Psa. 50:4,5), AND FOR THE JOURNEYING OF THE CAMPS. And when they shall blow with them (both), ALL the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation (Rapture 2). And if they blow but with ONE TRUMPET, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel (the 12 patriarchs and 12 apostles, elders), shall gather themselves unto thee" (Rapture 1).

When the first trump sounds, Rev. 4:1 tells us that "the FIRST voice" will be "as it were of a TRUMPET talking." It is the voice of Christ, as in the Preview of the Rapture in Rev. 1:10,11. He will say "Come up hither." This is the first trump and the first Rapture. In II Thess. 4:16,17, "the Lord himself (God) shall descend from heaven with a shout, and with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP OF GOD" (Christ).

On the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, the first trumpet will sound AGAIN to call those in Heaven to the general assembly in Heaven. Then the "last trump" will sound, as in I Cor. 15:51,52. This trump calls the Tribulation saints to the general assembly in Heaven. Mark 13:27 tells us, "then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the 2nd Rapture) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN" (where those of the 1st Rapture have been living for nearly 7 years).

Immediately after Rapture 1, John and the other 23 elders are given crowns and are seated on 24 thrones around the throne of God (Rev. 4:4). When the 24 elders are raptured, the saints of the Old Testament and the wise Philadelphian virgins of the New Testament are also caught up. The elders present the prayers of the saints to Christ, the Lamb of God. "And THEY (THE SAINTS) sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book (Title Deed of the Earth), and to OPEN THE SEALS thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed US to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" (Rev. 5:8,9).

All the saints of the first Rapture are in Heaven BEFORE THE FIRST SEAL IS BROKEN on the Title Deed of the Earth. Rev. 6 starts the 70th week of Daniel when the 1st seal is broken. 1260 days later, the False Prophet takes office when the 4th seal is broken (Rev. 6:7,8). Thus, the 4th seal is opened after the first 1260 days go by. This shows us that these seals are broken about one per year. The main shortening is between the 6th and 7th seals. The 7th is broken the next day after the 6th is broken on the last day of this age. The 7th is broken on the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord.

In the 1st year, the Beast comes as a prince of peace and is given a crown over the OWG and UR. In the 2nd year, the Beast takes peace from the Earth. In the 3rd year, famine hits, I think because Elijah has prayed that there be no rain for 3.5 years. The Beast must ration food. After these 3.5 years (Rev. 11:3), the False Prophet takes over the rulership of the OWG (One World Government) and UR (United Religions).

At that time, the middle of the 70th week of Daniel, the False Prophet will sit in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4. Moses and Elijah evidently will not bow to him or his idol, so he kills them. They hear no trumpet, but they do hear Christ saying, "Come up hither" after 3.5 days. They ascend to Heaven. This 3.5 days is a hint that the 2nd Rapture will be after 3.5 years. However, this period is to be shortened.

When Moses and Elijah are killed is the 1st day of the Great Tribulation, the section of the 70th week of Daniel that is to be shortened. Mt. 24:21,22 says, "then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except THOSE DAYS SHOULD BE SHORTENED, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

The shortening is between the breaking of the 6th and 7th seals, in Rev. 6:12 and 8:1. The 6th is broken on the last day of this age. The 7th is broken on the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord. The Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place in Rev. 7:9,14, just before the 7th seal is broken on "the great day of his wrath" (Rev. 6:17).

> > Paul clearly understood that he would not be rejoicing until the 2nd rapture which would bring an end to the "day of Christ."

Since Paul is one of the 24 elders, and he is occupying his throne in Rev. 4:4 before the 1st seal is broken in Rev. 6, Paul is included in the 1st Rapture.

SON OF PERDITION

> > The term "son of perdition" means the son of destruction or a person already destined to be cast into the "Lake of Fire" or eternal damnation. The only two people named in scripture and that qualify for that role today are named in Rev. 19:20.
> > "And the beast (Antichrist #1) was taken, and with him the false prophet (#2) that wrought miracles before him, with which HE (false prophet) DECEIVED THEM that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These BOTH were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

The only two men that the Bible calls sons of perdition are Judas Iscariot and the False Prophet, because both are inhabited by Satan. John 17:12 refers to Judas: "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the SON OF PERDITION; that the scripture might be fulfilled." 2Th. 2:3 says, "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia, DEPARTURE, DISAPPEARANCE [Liddell-Scott-Jones Lexicon of Classical Greek], i.e., Rapture I) FIRST, and that man of sin be revealed, the SON OF PERDITION." The Rapture is 1st, the revealing of the False Prophet 2nd.

ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION

> > "...he as God (acts or is treated like God) SITTETH in the temple of God (rebuilt Jewish temple), showing (revealing) himself that he is God."
> > The key to verse 4 (II Thess. 2:4) is to hear and understand that this event IS NOT the abomination of Desolation of Daniel or Matthew 24:15. In this verse or the couple of verses after, Paul issues no warnings to flee (Matt 24:16), no pouring out of God's judgment (Daniel 9:27) or any killing of believers by the Babylonian system. Paul just very simply teaches us that he will be revealed sitting in the temple being treated by his deceived followers LIKE GOD.

The scriptures are here a little and there a little, so the wicked will fall backward and be taken. Isa 28:13 says, "the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken." This is why only the wise shall understand (Dan. 12:10). The way we can understand correctly is to compare all accounts of the same thing. Some facts will be missed unless we put them all together to get the whole picture.

The False Prophet's sitting in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" desecrates the temple. Since the False Prophet does not come to full power until the middle of the 70th week of Daniel, he does not sit in the temple until the middle of the 70th week. Since the False Prophet becomes Satan-possessed when Satan is cast out of Heaven down into Earth when the Great Tribulation begins mid-70th week (Rev. 12), it seems reasonable that Satan/False Prophet would place the "image to the beast" (Rev. 13:15) at the temple before he starts killing people who will not bow down to him or his image. Yet, when the image is placed at the temple, Jews are to flee to the wilderness (Mt. 24:15,16). Jesus mentioned the "great tribulation" right after he spoke of the Jews fleeing. The Great Tribulation starts in the middle of the 70th week.

Rev. 12:13-15 says, "when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth (mid 70th week), he persecuted the woman (Israel) which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (the full 3.5 years), from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood." Since the False Prophet kills Moses and Elijah mid-70th week and these Jews are to flee to the wilderness mid-70th week, the abomination of desolation is placed in the temple mid-70th week at the same time that the False Prophet sits there "shewing himself that he is God." The False Prophet "exalteth himself" (II Thess. 2:4). Dan. 11:37 says, "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers (he is a Jew), nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all."

Dan. 9:27 is clear, the False Prophet "shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations HE SHALL MAKE IT DESOLATE."

Three periods of time date from mid-70th week, 1260, 1290 and 1335 days. All 3 start mid-70th week, when the abomination is set at the temple. Dan. 12:11 says, "Dan 12:11 And from THE TIME (mid-70th week) that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, AND THE ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days (1260 plus 30 days of mourning the dead)." The idol is placed at the temple at the same time that the False Prophet sits there "shewing himself that he is God.

YOUR CHART

You think the first 3.5 years of the 70th week of Daniel are a "False Tribulation by Satan of 1-1 1/2 Years" and "Approx. 2 Year Period of Witnessing Against the 'False Super Church'" You put the the 1st Rapture in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel, followed by the 2nd Rapture after your 20-month Great Tribulation begins.

If I am remembering right, by "Witnessing" here, and other references in your newsletters, you seem to think the 144,000 participate in the 1st Rapture. That may have a bearing on why you place the 1st Rapture in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel. I think the 144,000 Israelites are part of the 2nd Rapture. They are listed in Rev. 7 with the other Tribulation saints. What may be mixing you up on this is Rev. 14:3-5. The 144,000 are "virgins," "firstfruits," and "without fault before the throne of god." I think this shows that they are added to the Bride group caught up at Rapture 1. They seem to be Israel's last chance to produce members of the Bride of Christ.

You think the seals start mid-70th week and last 20 months. You have the trumpet judgments running 18 months and the vials 4 months, both in the 1000-year Day of the Lord. You start the "'DAY' of the LORD" after only a 20-month Great Tribulation. The rest of the 3.5 years are part of the millennial Day of the Lord. In other words, you think the Millennium has already run 22 months by the time the vials are over at the end of the last 3.5-years of the 70th week of Daniel.

I accept a 7-year 70th week of Daniel 9:27. All of it is the Tribulation, made up of 1260 days, when Moses and Elijah prophesy (Rev. 11:3), and another 1260 days, when the Messianic Jews flee to the wilderness (Rev. 12:6,14).

Order of events, as I see them:
1. 1st Rapture-Rev 3:10; 4:1; 5:9
2. 7-sealed Title Deed of the Earth given to Christ-Rev 5:7
3. Gap-Rev 17:14
4. 70th week of Daniel begins
-- Covenant confirmed-Dan 9:27
-- 1st seal broken-Tribulation begins-Rev 6:1,2
-- The Beast/Trib. Pope made head of OWG and UR-Rev 13:4,8
5. 2nd seal broken approx. 2nd year-Rev. 6:3
-- The Beast takes peace from Earth-Rev. 6:4
6. 3rd seal broken approx. 3rd year-Rev. 6:5
-- Famine strikes because of no rain-Rev. 6:6; 11:6
7. 4th seal broken at 3.5 years-Mid-Trib-Rev. 6:7
-- Satan cast out of Heaven into Earth-Rev 12:9
-- False Prophet possessed by Satan-Rev 6:8
-- False Prophet becomes head of OWG and UR-Rev 13:12
8. 5th seal broken approx. 6th year-Rev 6:9
-- Martyrs ask "How long?"-Rev 6:10
-- "a little season"-Rev. 6:11, shortening of time approaches
9. 6th seal broken last day of this age, Elul 29, Rev. 6:12
-- Earthquake, Sun darkened, meteorites fall Rev 6:13
-- Sign of Son of Man seen in sky Rev. 6:14; Mt 24:30
-- People hide, say to rocks, "Fall on us, and hide us"
10-"the great day of his wrath is come"-It's 6 PM, Tishri 1,
-- 5768/Sept 13, 2007-Rev. 6:17
-- Heaven: Coronation of Christ-receives kingdom-Rev. 11:15
-- 2nd Rapture before noon on Feast of Trumpets-Rev 7:9,14
-- Marriage of the Lamb in Heaven-Rev 19:7,8
-- Saints not of Bride group invited to Marriage Supper-19:9
11-7th seal broken-Rev 8:1,Joel 2:1-3
-- Silence on Earth and Heaven-Rev. 8:1; Hab 2:20
-- Christ seated as judge-Judgment Seat of Christ-Rev 11:18
-- 1000-yr Day of the Lord begins with destruction-Joel 1:15
-- Gog's army attacks Israel Eze 38:18,19
-- 7 trumpet judgments hit Earth on this Day of God's Wrath
12-1st trumpet-hail, fire, third of trees & all grass burned
13-2nd trumpet-burning asteroid hits Mediterranean-Zeph 2:4,5
-- all but 1/6th of Gog's army killed-Eze 39:2-5
14-3rd trumpet-burning asteroid destroys Babylon, Iraq-Rev
-- 8:10; 18:21
15-4th trumpet-sky darkened-Rev 8:12
16-5th trumpet-fallen burning asteroid opens bottomless pit
-- fallen angels come out of their prison to hurt men 5 mo.
17-6th trumpet-four death angels slay third of men
18-7th trumpet-kingdoms of Earth belong to Christ-Rev. 11:15
19-all 7 vials of God's Wrath start same day, Tishri 1, 5768,
-- felt over a longer period than of trumpets
20-Israelites bury dead 7 months-Eze 39:12,13
21-Christ returns Nisan 1, 5768, a Jewish Leap Year
22-Judgment of the Nations, dominion taken from Satan
23-Armageddon, Satan's forces against Christ's forces
24-Satan chained, Beast and False Prophet put in Lake of Fire
25-end of 30-days mourning the dead
26-Daniel stands in his lot (gowral, portion determined by
-- lot, i.e., his own portion of land) in Israel

TIMING OF FIRST RAPTURE

> > 1st rapture cannot occur yet until three major events occur.
> > 1. The formation of the false super church or the religious whore of Babylon as a one world-wide church.
> > 2. The revealing of the false prophet to the entire world, which we still believe is the current pope, John Paul II.
> > 3. The rebuilding of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem.
> > Until these three events happen, there can be no first rapture, so obviously that rapture could not of occurred this year or any year previously....
> > the absolute earliest the first fruits (1st) rapture can occur is early in the year 2003."
> > the hidden truth and blessing of Daniel 12:12 is that the 1st rapture will occur at God's appointed time; 75 days before the Antichrist is revealed to the world at the Abomination of Desolation....
> > "and THEN (after 1st rapture) shall the wicked (Antichrist) be REVEALED..."

We are to be looking for Christ to appear, not for the False Prophet to appear. Neither the world church, nor the revealing of the False Prophet, nor the restored temple have to come before the 1st Rapture. The Rapture could take place this year.

II Thess. 2:6-8 says, "now ye know what withholdeth (the Holy Spirit in us, the salt of the Earth) that he (the False Prophet) might be revealed in his time (the 70th week of Daniel). For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he (the Holy Spirit) who now letteth will let (Old English for he who now hinders will hinder), until he (the Holy Spirit) be taken out of the way (when he takes us to Heaven at the 1st Rapture). And then (after the Rapture) shall that Wicked (False Prophet) be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming."

The False Prophet will be revealed when he confirms the covenant with "many." I expect the "many" to apply to the UN/OWG. I expect the Tribulation Pope to also confirm the covenant and be put over the OWG and UR at that time.

The covenant seems about to be confirmed now, but the Holy Spirit is holding it back until we are gone. Then I expect everything will come together quickly.

The Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993. They were ratified in Israel 3 days later, on Tishri 1, 5754. If we start with Sept. 13, 1993, add 7 good years and 7 bad years, we come to Sept. 13, 2007. If we start with Tishri 1, 5754, add 14 years, we come to Tishri 1, 5768, which just happens to be Sept. 13, 2007. I think God planned that.

LOCATION OF BABYLON

> > when John comes to chapter 18 and the CITY OF BABYLON (USA)...
> > [Rev. 18:](21) "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence (wrath) shall that great city Babylon (United States) be thrown down, and SHALL BE FOUND NO MORE AT ALL."
> > the scriptures point ONLY to one country in the world today: UNITED STATES.
> > The prophet Isaiah called this peace process a pack of lies and falsehoods. He also called this a covenant with death, with hell, or with the devil, Satan himself, and that God will mercifully (only those who repent) cancel this agreement at God's appointed time. If this agreement is with hell, where exactly in prophecy does that really place the United States, the only country behind these agreements? As Satan's seat (Rev. 2:13) or the City of Babylon.

As you even said, the USA is a COUNTRY. It is not a city. It is not Babylon. Rev. 2:13 is talking about the city Pergamos, not the USA. Pergamos was willed to Rome by Attalus III. Thus, we can see some things carried forth from Pergamos to Thyatira, where Rev. 2:24 mentions, "the depths of Satan, as they speak."

In Rev. 17:14, we see that the Rapture has just taken place. They "that ARE WITH HIM (Christ) ARE CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL." The ten kings "have received NO KINGDOM AS YET."

In 17:3,4, John said, "he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness (Babylon): and I SAW A WOMAN SIT upon a scarlet coloured beast (great red dragon), full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns (TEN KINGS). And the woman (MYSTERY RELIGION OF BABYLON) was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls."

Then we see this same woman SITTING at Babylon. Rev. 18:7, she says, "I SIT." In v. 16, she is "that great CITY, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! This is the same MYSTERY RELIGION OF BABYLON that previously was located at VATICAN CITY in Rome and that "reigneth over the kings of the earth," (Rev. 17:18). She has come full circle. Started at Babel, continuing through Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece and Rome, she is residing in Babylon III, in the DESERT of Iraq soon after the Rapture. She is in the land of Shinar, where the Tower of Babel was built, Gen. 11:2). This desert of Iraq was shown to us on TV during the operation against Iraq called DESERT Storm.

Jer. 51:43-45 says of Babylon, "Her cities are a desolation, a dry land, and a WILDERNESS, a land wherein no man dwelleth, neither doth any son of man pass thereby (that didn't happen in the past). And I will punish Bel (i.e., the Satan- possessed False Prophet) in Babylon, and I will bring forth out of his mouth that which he hath swallowed up (Satan): and the NATIONS (UN) shall not flow together any more unto him (the False Prophet is deposed on the Day of God's Wrath): yea, the wall of Babylon shall fall. My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce ANGER of the LORD." This is Rapture 2. Rev. 18:4 says of it, "I heard ANOTHER VOICE FROM HEAVEN (Christ's), SAYING, COME OUT of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

In Zech. 5:6, the world church is likened to an ephah (largest wheat measure), and "This is their resemblance through all the earth." She is to be flown somewhere. Verse 11 tells us where. It says, "And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar (IRAQ): and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base" (the Tower of Babel). Shinar means CHANGE OF THE CITY. This is the CITY that is to be destroyed by the burning asteroid of Rev. 8:10.

In Babel, there were many languages. In Babylon, there will be many languages. The towers for the UN/OWG and UR will be built there. Isa 30:25 says, "And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, WHEN THE TOWERS FALL." I think what happened in New York on Sept. 11 is symbolic of the Day of God's Wrath on Sept. 13, 2007. Agape

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