Pro and Con 837

Posted 11-23-01

Pope John Paul II expresses respect for 'authentic Islam'
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_406849.html?menu=
With the grand Mufti of Kazakhstan, a heavily populated Islamic country, in the audience at Astana's Congress Hall, the pope says "I wish to reaffirm the Catholic Church's respect for Islam, for authentic Islam: The Islam that prays, that is concerned for those in need."...
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Mikhail Gorbachev wants anti-terrorism effort to lead to a 'just world order'
http://www.nandotimes.com/world/story/148201p-1447429c.html
AP MOSCOW 10-20-01 The U.S.-led international effort against terrorism must become a coalition for a new and fair world order if it is to succeed, former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev said in an interview published Saturday.

"If the fight against terrorism is reduced to force actions, the world will eventually lose," Gorbachev told Rossiiskaya Gazeta. "If it becomes part of joint efforts to build a just world order, everybody shall win, including those who today are not supporting the U.S. actions and the coalition."
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Note: At Astronomy Picture of the Day, Saturn is still seen as a morning star.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
...in Big Bay, Illinois near the Kentucky border...this single 3 minute time exposure made at 3:15 AM CST captured a dozen Leonid meteors leaving parallel trails. On that morning, along with many shooting stars streaming from the constellation Leo, the memorable sky also included the familar steady stars of Orion and bright planets Jupiter (seen above at the upper right) and Saturn.

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Shalom Daniel Rydstedt. Very good web-site. I have a question for you. Is the New Moon a "MOWADAH"? Thanks and Shalom

My reply

:-) Glad you like my site, Marilyn Agee's web site, not Daniel Rydstedt's.

1Sa 20:5 "David said unto Jonathan, Behold, to morrow is the new moon, and I should not fail to sit with the king at meat: but let me go, that I may hide myself in the field unto the third day at even."

2320 chodesh kho'-desh from 2318; the new moon; by implication, a month:--month(-ly), new moon. Strong's Bible Dictionary

I looked in Strong's list of Hebrew words used in the Bible without finding MOWADAH.

His reply

Shalom and HI to you Marilyn,
Thanks for the come back so quick. Yes, you are right, the word Mowadah in not to be found in Strongs. Its Hebrew and meens the same as Mowadim. Sorry for the confusion.

I was just going through a study and I had come across something I thought was very interesting that I'll share with you. Here it its in a nut shell.

Psalm 104:19 states, "he appointed the moon for seasons." The word seasons there is "MOWADIM" in the Hebrew. (Strongs) This word is also found in Leviticus 23:2-3 traslated as "FEASTS" instad of "SEASONS-MOWADIM" as it is again in Hebrew. This seems like a great deception because both of those English words mean ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS, and yet the underlying Hebrew word is the same.

The Sabbath is first in the list of "FEAST" or "MOWADIM." Lev.23:2-3

my conclushion is,
1. The moon was made for "MOWADIM", ( Ps.104:19 )
2.The Sabbathis the first "MOWADIM" listed ( Lev.23:1-3
3.The moon was made to show the Sabbath
What do you think? Shalom, and Shalom

My reply

Psa 104:19: "He appointed (asah, appointed, made) the moon (yareach) for seasons (mowedim): the sun knoweth his going down." In Malachi 4:2, Christ is called "the Sun of righteousness." I think this Psalm indicates that he knows when he will come down.

Mowed means an appointment, appointed time, fixed time, due season, set feast, or signal (as appointed beforehand), I take it that the Moon was made to signal to mankind the set time of Christ's two comings, as the former rain on Tishri 1, 1st day of the Jewish Civil Year, and as the latter rain on Nisan 1, 1st day of the Regnal Year and Sacred Year (Regnal because he is King of kings, Sacred because he is Lord of lords).

> > This word is also found in Leviticus 23:2-3 traslated as "FEASTS" instad of "SEASONS-MOWADIM" as it is again in Hebrew. This seems like a great deception because both of those English words mean ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS, and yet the underlying Hebrew word is the same.

Often, in Hebrew more than in Greek, a word can mean several things. The meaning is to be understood by the context.

> > The Sabbath is first in the list of "FEAST" or "MOWADIM." Lev.23:2-3

> > my conclushion is,

1. The moon was made for "MOWADIM", (Ps.104:19)
2.The Sabbath is the first "MOWADIM" listed ( Lev.23:1-3
3.The moon was made to show the Sabbath What do you think?

The New Moon marks the beginning of the months, not the weeks. The New Moon of Tishri 1 (Feast of Trumpets) actually became the most important New Moon of each year. Since the days of Hillel, and I don't know how long before, the priests mathematically discerned when the next year's New Year Day (NYD) would be, then filled in the previous year to fit that NYD. So the New Moon of Tishri, the Feast of Trumpets, actually ruled the calendar. The Feast of Firstfruits showed them when to insert the 13th month. They had to have abib barley in the ear on Firstfruits. If that wasn't possible, they added the 13th month.

Lev 23:2,3 says, "CONCERNING THE FEASTS (mowedim) of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts (mowedim). Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation (miqra, called out, as a public assembly, a REHEARSAL); ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings."

The Sabbath is separated from the 7 feasts, which start with Passover in verse 5. Lev. 23:4,5 says, "THESE ARE THE FEASTS (mowedim) of the LORD, even holy convocations (miqrah, REHEARSALS), which ye shall proclaim in their seasons" (mowedim). In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover." (1st of 7 feasts). Both the Sabbath and the 7 feasts are rehearsals. Things that tie in with the Sabbath could be the 7000-years of man's test being mortal and knowing both good and bad. The Sabbaton is mentioned in Heb. 4:4-10 says, "he spake in a certain place of the SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And God did REST the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into MY REST. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus (Joshua) had given them REST, then would he not afterward have spoken of ANOTHER DAY. There remaineth therefore A REST (SABBATISMOS, a sabbatism, repose of the people of God, as a type of Heaven) to the people of God. For he that is entered into HIS REST, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his." Shalom and agape

His reply

From: Alaska
Re: mowadim
Shalom to you. Thanks for all the info on the "MOWADIM". I've got lots to study now. :-)

You state that.."The new moon marks the beginning of the month, not the weeks." I know thats what we do now, but, does that mean that when we start the new month off we dont start with day one? What would you have me do with Ex.12? If we were to remove the Romam names given to them by the non believers out of Rome, we are left with numbers.( just like the Torah tell us) The new moom starts the new month off, right? When we start this new month off, do we call it the first day of that month? Or, do we call it the.. lets say.. the 14th, like the 14th day of Nisan? ( Es.4:7 ) ( I think it is wrong to try and use mans calendar and G-d's calendar togather, I really think the reason we have the problem now is were trying to justify the Roman calendar along with ours) Or if the new moon falls on the 16th, like it did this month of kislev, should we be calling it the 16th day of the month like we do when we except the ROMAN calendar? I have a Jewish calendar, and it says its the first day of the month, (the 16th of Novenber,) and also the first day of the month of (KISLEV.) Well, if its really the first day of the month according to Torah, should it also start that month off with the counting of days for the Sabbath also? Look in Ex.12. This is not only the way Yah tells us to do the Passover, but He tells us to count the days from the first day starting at the beginning of the month. ( thats on the New Moon) So, if we start the new month off with ( day 1 ), what do we do with day7? Is this not a Sabbath day? Day 7.of each new month according to Torah? I dont know how or when or who did the change, but the more I read Torah the more I can see someone pulled a fast one off on all of us. Now, that leads me to my next question for you. Did YAH say anywhere in the Torah or the Tanach that man could make these changes? If He did, could you please show me where He did this? I cant find that He did. But then again, I'm just a student that studies and tries to learn and come to a understanding of all these things. I do have as part of my study the Tanach, Talmud, Kaballah and most of all The New Covenant Book. Thats the so-called ( OLD ) one thats made new again, as it says in Jerermiah 31:31. I said all that so as to let you know where I'm coming from. :-) If that helps?

Its not every one that I can ask these questions to.;-( But then I come accross someone like you and I do like your answers.

Well, I'll close for now and I hope I haven't taken up to much of your time. I really do appreciate it very much. Most people do get very mad at me with all my questions though I know. Sence my Rabbi passed away 2 years ago now I find good answers hard to come by. ( My Rabbi was a Jewish Orthodox Rabbi that tought on the GOOD NEWS of Jesus and the restoration of the Two Houses of Israel, the two houses of Judah and Ephraim. Here I go again......
Shalom,Shalom, Your Mishpacha (family) and friend in Alaska

My reply

> > The new moon marks the beginning of the month, not the weeks." I know thats what we do now, but, does that mean that when we start the new month off we dont start with day one?

Yes. No Jewish month is 28 days (7 x 4). From New Moon to New Moon is about 29.5 days. Therefore, the months will not stay aligned with the weeks. I think that when God rested from the 6 days of refashioning Earth and creating Adam, it was the 7th-day Sabbath, Saturday, and Tishri 1 (the New Moon). Thus Tishri 2 would have been on Day 1, Sunday. You can call Tishri the 1st month, but I'll keep the names that are used today. In my head, it is easier to keep things straight this way.

God set in motion more than one wheel counting time. One counts the weeks, another counts the months and years. Another counts the 1000-year days of Heaven. Another counts the 2000-year ages, the Age of the Gentiles (God dealt with all mankind), the Age of the Jews (God dealt mainly with the Jews), and the Age of the Church (God is dealing mainly with the Church). A special time of testing will come "upon all the world" during the 70th week of Daniel (Rev. 3:10). Thus, each of the 3 ages will have an end of the age, but they will all run concurrently with the 70th week of Daniel.

Since the Jubilee cycle is 49 days (7 x 7), it stays aligned with the weeks. The 50th day is also the 1st day of the next Jubilee cycle.

> > What would you have me do with Ex.12?

Prior to the Exodus, the Civil Year began with Tishri 1. After the Exodus, a Sacred Year was set up to start on Nisan 1. This also became the Jewish Regnal Year, when the Israelite kings officially took office. I think Yeshua/Jesus will return on Nisan 1, officially taking office at the same time as other Israelite kings. It will be the Regnal Year, because he is King of kings, the Sacred Year because he is Lord of lords.

> > When we start this new month off, do we call it the first day of that month? Or, do we call it the.. lets say.. the 14th, like the 14th day of Nisan? ( Es.4:7 )

For instance, the month of Nisan starts with Nisan 1, the New Moon. The month of Iyar starts with Iyar 1, the month of Sivan starts with Sivan 1, etc., no matter what day of the week the 1st of the month falls on. The 15th of Nisan, Feast of Unleavened Bread, is at the Full Moon, as is Tabernacles on the 15th of Tishri.

> > ( I think it is wrong to try and use mans calendar and G-d's calendar togather, I really think the reason we have the problem now is were trying to justify the Roman calendar along with ours)

We can't help using the Gregorian Calendar, because it has become the standard. I don't see that as bad. It is a solar calendar and the Jewish Calendar is lunar-solar. The Jews have to adjust the leap years so that there is abib barley in the ear for Firstfruits. Therefore, at the end of the Jewish 19-year cycle, both calendars align very closely, just minutes apart. At the end of 57 years, they are even closer.

In speaking of the day of the Crucifixion, the B'rit Hadashah/New Testament mentions both Roman hours and Jewish hours of the day. Both systems were running together then. Why not now? If they were not supposed to run together, surely Jesus would have said so. Both calendars have been adjusted by the revolution of the Sun, as stipulated in Genesis 1:14.

> > I have a Jewish calendar, and it says its the first day of the month, (the 16th of Novenber,) and also the first day of the month of (KISLEV.) Well, if its really the first day of the month according to Torah, should it also start that month off with the counting of days for the Sabbath also?

No. The weeks run independant of the months.

> > if we start the new month off with ( day 1 ), what do we do with day7? Is this not a Sabbath day? Day 7.of each new month

Day 7 of the month may fall on any day of the week. Only the 7th day of the week is a Sabbath day, not the 7th day of the month.

> > I dont know how or when or who did the change, but the more I read Torah the more I can see someone pulled a fast one off on all of us.

Not the way you are thinking. There have been some rules added by the priests, but they are not far off the mark. Nisan 14 can now only fall on Mon., Wed., or Friday. Thus Nisan 15 can't be on M, W, or F. NYD (Tishri 1) minus 163 days is always Nisan 15.

Here are the rules that bring that about:
1. The first day of Tishri (New Year Day; NYD) is on the New Moon (NM) of Tishri--except:
(a) When the NM occurs on Wed., Fri., or Sunday, or
(b) When the NM occurs at noon or later, or
(c) When the New Moon of Tishri of an Ordinary Year (OY) occurs on Tue. at 11 minutes and 6 parts after 3 AM, or later, or
(d) When, at the termination of a Leap year, such New Moon occurs on Monday at 32 Minutes and 13 parts after 9 AM, or later.

In each of these, NYD is shifted to the following day, or if that day is also an exception, to the subsequent day.

The First New Moon (FNM) is accepted as being on Sunday at 11 min. and 6 parts after 11 PM. According to Jewish reckoning, it was on Mon. at 5 hours, 11 minutes, and 6 parts after the beginning of the day at 6 PM. The date of any subsequent NYD can be calculation mathematically from the FNM.

There is another rule that fixes the Leap Years on the 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, 14th, 17th, and 19th years.

When the Lord set the calendar in motion, he knew that it could not get far off, because it had to be reconciled with Earth's rotation around the Sun. Man had a lot of years to adjust the calendar to get it right here at the end of the age. Remember that the Lord is omniscient and omnipotent. He knows everything ahead of time and has the power to bring his will to pass. Therefore, I trust both calendars.

> > Did YAH say anywhere in the Torah or the Tanach that man could make these changes?

No, but he set the Sun for years. That has forced man to adjust the calendars until they are as close to our rotation around the Sun as possible. This keeps the seasons right too.

Don't hesitate to ask questions. I may not know all the answers, but I will do my best. I have been studying the Bible as hard as I can go for over 40 years. I have learned some things along the way. Shalom and agape

His reply

Boy, the answers you just gave me look really good! I'll study it all soon. Thanks so much for your kindness to me and your time. With al the knowledge you have mayby I should be calling you "Rebbetzin?" :-) I dont get to say this to often, "I'm impressed." All your studies are paying off. Thanks again. Your friend in Alaska

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To: James_Rouleau@iris.com - Re: HANUKKAH
I appreciate all that you and John do, watching and posting on the 5 doves site so faithfully.

Your mentioning Hanukkah in John 10:22 made me read that section again tonight. I find it very interesting that the word HARPAZO is used here in connection with Hanukkah as well as with the Rapture in I Thess. 4:13-18. Harpazo means to be caught up by force, i.e., the Rapture. Harpazo isn't used but 13 times in the New Testament. According to Young's Concordance, it's translated catch 1 time, catch away 2 times, catch up 4 times, pluck 2 times, pull 1 time, take by force 3 times. Since it is translated "caught up" in I Thess. 4:17, that must be included in "catch up."

Verse 22 says, "it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter" (cheimon, a storm, as pouring rain, the rainy season, i.e. winter). I'm glad I looked winter up, for the rainy season starts with the former rain on Tishri 1 and continues until the latter rain of Nisan is over. In some years, as in 2001, Hanukkah may start before the winter solstice on Dec. 21. The rain of Noah's day fell during what is now the rainy season. The 8 days of Hanukkah start on Dec. 10, but the 40 days of rain (as in Noah's day) from Cheshvan 17 (Nov. 3) end on Dec. 12/13.

Continuing in John 10, verses 27-29 say, "My sheep HEAR MY VOICE (as we will hear his voice say 'Come up here' at the Rapture, Rev. 4:1), and I know them, and THEY FOLLOW (akoloutheo, reach, i.e., accompany on a road) ME: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man PLUCK (HARPAZO, CATCH AWAY) them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to PLUCK (HARPAZO, CATCH AWAY) them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one."

In the New Testament, Philip, Paul, John, Moses and Elijah are caught up, demonstrating how the Rapture will take place. Philip was suddenly transferred to another place. Paul went to the 3rd heaven. John, Moses and Elijah went up to Heaven when Jesus said, "Come up hither."

Acts 8:39 says, "when they were COME UP OUT OF THE WATER, the Spirit of the Lord CAUGHT AWAY (HARPAZO) PHILIP, that the eunuch saw him no more."

When Paul was caught up to Paradise in the 3rd heaven, II Cor. 12:2-4 said, "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one CAUGHT UP (HARPAZO) TO THE THIRD HEAVEN (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn). And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was CAUGHT UP (HARPAZO) into PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

In Rev. 11:12, Moses and Elijah heard a GREAT VOICE FROM HEAVEN SAYING UNTO THEM, COME UP HITHER. AND THEY ASCENDED UP TO HEAVEN in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them." Agape

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Re: Michael John Rood's teaching on the rapture
Recently I started reading Michael John Rood's book "The Mystery of Iniquity", wherein he strongly states that the pre-trib rapture view is wrong.

Do you know anything about Mr Rood's teaching? He is apparently a Messianic Jewish believer. His website is at www.6001.com if you want to check it out.

Marilyn, we keep praying for you and your family that you may have good health and spiritual strength. God bless you.

My reply

Thanks for your prayers. My doctor told me today that I have Diabetes. That makes 2 of us. Ed is diabetic.

I can't remember what Michael Rood said about the Rapture. I know that the Nazarines do not think there will be a Pre-Trib Rapture. Dr. Tabor and I discussed that c. 1997. These Jews keep Torah, the Law, but add faith that Yeshua is their Messiah. I don't know if Michael Rood is a Nazarine or not, but it sounds like he thinks the same way concerning the Rapture. I went to his web site, but didn't find his information about the Rapture. It seems like he had more on his site the last time I visited it.

In the Tanakh/Old Testament, the Rapture was predicted, but not clear enough to be more than a mystery when written. Paul gave us the definitive word on it in I Thess. 4:13-18 to help us understand the mystery. John showed us when the time of testing that will come upon the whole world (Rev. 3:10) will happen, "hereafter" the Rapture (Rev. 4:1). The saints in Heaven after the Rapture are from all nations (Rev. 5:9). Then the 70th week of Daniel 9:27, the time of testing that will come upon the whole world, the Tribulation, starts in Rev. 6:1,2. I can't see any way around the chronological sequence shown in Rev. 3:10; 4:1; 5:9; 6:1,2. The Rapture comes 1st, the Title Deed of the Earth is given to Christ, the saints are seen in Heaven. Afterward, Christ breaks the first seal on the Title Deed of the Earth. He can't break the 1st seal until after the Rapture has taken place and he has been given the 7-sealed Title Deed of the Earth.

In Isa. 57:1-3, the same chronological sequence is seen, first the Rapture, then the Tribulation. It says, "The righteous perisheth (abad, escapes), and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away (acaph, removed, lifted up, evacuated), none considering that the righteous is taken away (acaph, lifted up, i.e., raptured) from the evil (Tribulation) to come (i.e., after the Rapture). He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds ('in glory,' Psa. 149:5), each one walking in his uprightness. But draw near (the Tribulation is near) hither, ye sons of the sorceress (maybe 'Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess,' Rev. 2:20), the seed of the adulterer (Tribulation Pope) and the whore" ("MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH,' Rev. 17:5).

Micah 7:1-4 says, "Woe is me! for I am as (symbolic language, Micah is cast as a Tribulation saint) when they have gathered the summer fruits, as the grapegleanings of the vintage: there is no cluster to eat: my soul desired the firstripe fruit. THE GOOD MAN IS PERISHED (ABAD, ESCAPED) OUT OF THE EARTH (if he's not on Earth, he is in Heaven): and there is none upright among men (that are still on Earth): they all lie in wait for blood; they hunt every man his brother with a net. That they may do evil with both hands earnestly, the prince asketh, and the judge asketh for a reward; and the great man, he uttereth his mischievous desire: so they wrap it up. The best of them is as a brier: the most upright is sharper than a thorn hedge: the day of thy watchmen and thy visitation cometh; now shall be their perplexity."

Psa. 12:1-5 says, "HELP (YASHA, RESCUE, SAVE), LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for THE FAITHFUL FAIL (PACAC, DISAPPEAR) FROM AMONG THE CHILDREN OF MEN. They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak. The LORD shall CUT OFF all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things: Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us. For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, NOW WILL I ARISE, SAITH THE LORD; I WILL SET HIM IN SAFETY (YESHA, i.e., IN CHRIST THE SAVIOUR) from him that puffeth at him." Agape

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From: Jim Bramlett - "It's just about time"
I just got a call from Dr. Neil Lipkin, orthodontist friend in Indiana. There was an unusual excitement in his voice. I knew something had happened.

Neil is a Messianic Jew, a long-time Bible student and teacher, totally committed to Messiah Yeshua, and a very sharp fellow. He believes the rapture is extremely near.

He said he was sound asleep during the night, early in the wee hours of the morning of today, November 20, 2001, when all of a sudden his wife, Cynthia, started shaking him strongly to wake up. He awoke, startled. Cynthia had already been up, working in the kitchen.

As he opened his eyes from the shaking, Neil noticed that said Cynthia was "really freaked out," he said. She began to tell him what had just happened to her. While she was working in the kitchen, she said, just out of nowhere she suddenly began to hear voices. There were no humans around, so they could not have been human voices. She could not understand what they were saying. Neil tried to describe to me what the voices sounded like, as she described it to him, and all I can say is that they sounded like loud whispers where none of the words were discernible.

Suddenly, out of those soft and muffled voices, Cynthia reported that she heard a male voice, very clearly and distinctly. The voice said, "IT'S JUST ABOUT TIME." That's all he said. But as soon as those words were heard, all the other voices suddenly shushed and ceased.

This happened at 4:30 a.m., November 20, 2001. End of story.

It is noteworthy that while Cynthia is a Christian, she has really not been into Bible prophecy as has Neil. She is open, but has just not had the intensity of interest that he has had. This was no doubt a supernatural message. I believe that God's angels were the source of this message because Neil has been such a diligent watchman. That God chose the wife to give the message to is interesting. I have my thoughts on that but you can come up with your own speculation. God's ways are mysterious, but always good!

It also seems noteworthy that Neil is an avid believer in the rapture, and knowledgeable teacher of same. He is persuaded that it is not only the next major event on God's timetable, but that it is very near. It is interesting that God would have chosen such a rapture believer for this message. God obviously knows Neil's persuasion and predisposition, so, in my opinion, the answer to the question, "It's just about time -- for what?" is obviously, "the rapture."

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In your opinion what will have happened to the Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein and his regime, to allow for the new "Babylon" to be rebuilt? Thank you. Sincerely

My reply

Sorry, but I don't know. Someone suggested that he be taken out and the Hashimite king of Jordan made king of Iraq. Then the Palestinians could be given Jordan, renaming it Palestine. This way Israel would not divide their land. The only problem with that is that Scripture says that all nations (i.e., the UN) will be judged for "parting my land." It will take place.

Joe 3:2 says, "I will also gather ALL NATIONS, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom THEY have scattered among the nations, and PARTED MY LAND."

Whew! I just looked up Hashimite to be sure I was spelling it right. An alternate spelling is Hashemite. Both are from HASHIM, GREAT GRANDFATHER OF MUHAMMAD. It reminds me too much of what some Jews substitute for the word God, "Ha Shem," the name. I tell you what, I won't use it. I'll stick to God, El, Elohim, etc., names I find in Scripture.

I don't like our leaders coming out for a Palestinian state, either. 1Ch 17:21 says, "WHAT ONE(ECHAD, UNITED) NATION (USA) in the earth is like thy people Israel, whom God went to redeem to be his own people, to make thee a name of greatness and terribleness, by driving out nations from before thy people, whom thou hast redeemed out of Egypt?" We should stand up for NOT PARTING THE LAND, SO SHOULD ISRAEL. However since it will happen, I shouldn't be surprised. Agape

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