Pro and Con 84, Uploaded 4-6-98

Note: According to my calculations, April 6 is the anniversary of the Crucifixion and the date of the Second Advent on our calendar, the former in 30 A.D. and the latter in 2008 A.D.

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I am wondering which events of Christ's final week took place on which days of the week and would appreciate any insights you have on this.

I have spent a lot of time studying the various Feasts of Israel and how they point us to Christ. In so doing, I've come up with a lot of questions concerning the timing of various events in the last week of Christ's life. The more I look into this the more confused I become.

I've heard teaching that the crucifixion could have taken place anywhere from Wed-Fri of that week -- and all with good justification (3day & 3 nights in the earth). The special Sabbath of John 19:31 could be a Sat., or Passover, or the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

It seems the Triumphal Entry would most likely be 10 Nisan as that was the day the lamb was set aside (Ex 12:3). Does SCRIPTURE indicate that this necessarily occured on a Sunday? John 12:1 talks about Jesus arriving in Bethany & 12:12 says the next day they took palm branches... It doesn't seem like Jesus would have travelled to Bethany on the Sabbath.

My reply

I understand, for I had to do a tremendous amount of research and then work it out for myself. You can find more details in my book, Exit: 2007: The Secret of Secrets Revealed, but here is the schedule of Passion Week as I understand it. For each Jewish day, we have to account for first the 12-hour night portion, then the 12-hour day portion for each date.

Jesus arrived at Bethany near when Saturday began at 6:00 PM. That was six days before the Passover (Sat., Sun., Mon., Tue., Wed., Thur.). The Passover was Friday, Nisan 14, in our 30 AD. He rested at Bethany through Saturday's night then day. Without looking it up, I can't remember for sure, but I think he slept there during Sunday's night portion. During Sunday's daylight portion, he presented himself as King (Palm Sunday). I'm going by memory, but I think the rest of the nights, he slept on the Mt. of Olives. During Monday's daylight portion, he cursed the fig tree and purified the temple. Monday was Nisan 10. On Tuesday's daylight portion, the fig tree was dried up and he gave the Olivet Discourse. As the night of Wednesday began, he was anointed for burial. That was two days before Passover (i.e., Wed. and Thur.).

Thursday's night portion was the Last Supper. The Crucifixion was in Thursday's day portion. That was the Preparation for the Passover.



He was buried quickly because Friday was the Passover. Saturday was the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Sunday was the Feast of Firstfruits and the Resurrection, during the night portion. The three days and three nights in the heart of the earth were Thurs. (day), Fri. (night then day), Sat. (night then day), and Sunday (night).

I hope this helps.

Their reply

Thank you for your response. It was very helpful

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Reuters 2/27/98, Philadelphia Priceless Churchgates Stolen
Clergy members were stunned Wednesday morning when arriving for work at Episcopal Church in Philadelphia. Thieves removed ornate wrought-iron gates from the church located in SW Philadelphia. The gates handmade and dating from the 18th century are considered irreplaceable by historians. Not only are they beautiful works of art, but impossible to reproduce, because steel is now the material of choice. It's much stronger weighs considerably less and is easier to work with. Police estimate the loss at $50,000.

Apparently, thieves used a lift-truck to hoist the heavy gates off their hinges and loaded them onto a flat bed truck. The gates were only rarely used in modern times and were kept padlocked with a heavy chain. "Someone really went to a lot of trouble to remove them" a police spokesman noted. Police also speculated that the gates, which weigh 400 lbs each will never be found. "Somebody probably has them at some fancy new house in the country."

Episcopal Church was the spiritual home to George Washington and many other Founding Fathers during the period of history in which the Declaration of Independance and the Constitution were debated and drafted here in Philadelphia.

...I'll continue to monitor local Philly papers, but I bet the gates will never be found.

God is moving in my life in tremendous ways! You have given me many blessings with your book Rev 2000 and your website. I actually accepted the gift of salvation from your work! "The Angels Rejoice" How can I ever thank you with words. Only in agape dear girl. To Christ Be the Glory.

My reply

Thank you for copying the article for me. Since "an open door" is set before the church of Philadelphia in Rev. 3:8, it is strange to read here that Philadelphian church gates are missing. That sure leaves an open gateway "set before" the Philadelphian church. Very symbolic.

Rev. 3:8 says, "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name."

This open door is actually the door in Heaven, through which we will go at the Rapture. Rev. 4:1 says, "I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard (Christ, the Alpha and Omega, Rev. 1:10,11) was as it were of a trumpet ("the trump of God," I Thess. 4:16) talking with me; which said, Come up hither."

For whatever reason this example of the stolen church gates happened, the Rapture is "at hand" (Rev. 1:3; 22:10), and the door set before the Philadelphian church of brotherly love is open. Our "blessed hope" is to go through it soon.

> I actually accepted the gift of salvation from your work! "The Angels Rejoice" How
> can I ever thank you with words. Only in agape dear girl. To Christ Be the Glory.

This is wonderful to hear--music to my ears. Praise the Lord. See you in glory.

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From Abraham Forum, Pastor Buddy Martin wrote:
> Originally from: "Pastor Buddy Martin"
> Originally dated: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:48:10 -0500
> Hi Marilyn
> I welcome comments from any members.
> Marilyn: I picked up your book 'Revelations 2000' a few weeks ago and
> am reading it as I find time. (Only on page 175) You say some very
> interesting things. Some I put on the back burner for now.
> I do have a curiosity that I'm not sure you address in your book. In
> 1Cor15:51,52, Paul says, "...we will not all sleep, but we will all
> be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last
> trumpet..." Some prophecy teachers connect Paul's last trumpet with
> the the trumpets of Revelation. I question whether this is what Paul
> was addressing.

***From Marilyn: The seven trumpet judgments come AFTER both Raptures have taken place, as Rev. 8 is after Rev. 4:1 and 7:14. We are not to come into condemnation or suffer the Wrath of God. Notice that these seven trumpets are sounded by "seven ANGELS."

Angels do not sound the trump of God. In I Thess. 4:16, Christ comes "with the trump of God." This is the first trump, when Christ comes at the Pre-Trib Rapture. Rev. 4:1 says, "and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a TRUMPET talking with me; which said, Come up hither." This is Christ, not an angel.

In I Cor. 15:52, "the last trump" will sound. This is for the Rapture of the Tribulation saints, as seen in Rev. 7:14.

The two silver assembly trumpets of Nu. 10:2-4 prefigure these two trumpet calls for the saints of God. It says, "Make thee TWO TRUMPETS (not seven) of silver...that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them (both, i.e., at the time of the 'last trump'), ALL (compare with "ALL" in I Cor. 15:51) the assembly (i.e., the entire Body of Christ) shall assemble themselves to thee (the Pre-Wrath Rapture) at the door (symbol of a Rapture, Rev. 3:8; 4:1; Mt. 24:33) of the tabernacle of the congregation. And if they blow but with ONE trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel (i.e., the 24 elders of Rev.4, the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles), shall gather themselves unto thee" (the Pre-Trib Rapture of the Bride of Christ, the wise virgins who go with the Bridegroom when he comes).

This assembly is seen in Heaven in Hebrews 12:22-25: "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general ASSEMBLY and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect. And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant...See that ye refuse not him that speaketh" (i.e., the voice like a trumpet that says, "Come up hither").

> As a Hebrew man, it may be that Paul was speaking prophetically of
> the last Jubilee. The Hebrew term for the Jubilee is 'yowbel', which
> means ram's horn, trumpet, cornet, or the Jubilee year marked by the
> blowing of trumpets. If Paul was speaking prophetically of the
> final Jubilee, then this would go along quite well with the idea of
> the Rapture taking place in 1998. Who but the nation of Israel would
> have a right to declare a Jubilee? What year would be the Jubilee
> other than 1998? (50 years from Israel's birth.)

***Your point is well taken, and I had not thought of this trumpet tie in before. Thanks so much for bringing it to my attention. Israel was to keep the Jubilee year 50 years from when the nation was born when they came out of Egypt, after they were in the land, the war was over, and the men could all go home to their families. That was a real jubilant time.

In modern times, the Jubilee is likewise the 50th year since the nation was reborn. No other nation can declare this Jubilee. It was given to Israel alone.

Israel seems to be counting it according to our calendar. However, the Jubilee was to be announced on the preceding Day of Atonement and begin with the first day of the Sacred Year. Nisan 1, 5758 was last Sabbath, Saturday, March 28, 1998, a neat time to start the year of Jubilee.

> Just curious. I have never been one for setting dates, but I do
> enjoy studying the Biblical signs. Do you have any thoughts on this?
> (Anyone else is welcome to comment.)

***Several things are converging on 5758 that set it apart from other years. Not only is it the Jubilee year, it is the 6000th year since man began to be tested being mortal and knowing both good and evil. The number 58 spells Noah, and 5758 means the season of Noah. The Rapture is to be as the days of Noah. He went into the Ark and the Lord shut the door BEFORE the seven-day wait for the rain. The seven days portray the Tribulation, and Christ is to return as the "latter rain" (Hos. 6:1-3), after the shortened Tribulation. (The second Rapture is as the days of Lot, and fire fell that same day.)

If the Rapture was to occur this year, it would be within the 40-year time of testing and probation after the Sign of the End of the Age. When Israel came out of Egypt, the 19-year-olds were considered the young. All males were counted from 20 up.

Look how that fits into the Fig Tree Parable of Mt. 24:32-34: "Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel); When his branch (klados, scion for grafting, i.e., modern Israel) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., no more than 19 years old), and putteth forth leaves (Sinai, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, West Bank, taken in the Six-Day War of 1967), ye know that summer is nigh (the war started June 6; summer started June 21). So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things (i.e., that happen to Israel), know that it (the Rapture) is near, even at the doors (symbol of the two Raptures). Verily I say unto you, This generation (born in 1967) shall not pass, till all these thing be fulfilled."

1948 + 19 = 1967 + 40 = 2007, when it looks like the millennial Day of the Lord will begin on the Feast of Trumpets, 5768. This is, I think, the day of the second Rapture. Count backward 2300 days (Dan. 8:14), using Jewish inclusive reckoning, and it falls on the Feast of Weeks in 2001 (5761), when I think the Seventieth Week of Daniel will start.

Back up 4 more years, according to the Parable of the Barren Fig Tree in Luke 13:6-9, counted according to Jewish inclusive reckoning, and we arrive back at 1998. The four years when the Lord looks for fruit on the fig tree before the Tribulation begins are probably 5758, 5759, 5760, and 5761 (our 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001), starting with Israel's Jubilee year.

Thus, it looks like the two doors, i.e., the two Raptures, are in 5758 and 5768. The second one is on the Feast of Trumpets that begins the Millennium, just before God's Wrath is poured out, just as Rev. 7:14 is after the sixth seal of Rev. 6:12 and just before the seven trumpet judgments hit Earth in Rev. 8.

The ten years between the two Raptures could be portrayed by Rev. 2:10, "ye shall have tribulation ten days." The word translated "days" can also be translated "years."

These ten time periods also tie in with Rebekkah, a type of the Bride of Christ. Gen. 24:55 says, "And her brother and her mother said, Let the damsel abide with us a few days, at the least ten; after that she shall go." However, Rebekkah chose to go immediately, not wait ten days, which she could have done. In Gen. 24:58, she said, "I will go."

I think the Bride of Christ is the "FIRST of the firstfruits"

The first Rapture is the "FIRST of the firstfruits." At Sinai, the Lord said,

"Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto me in the year...the feast of unleavened bread (having to do with Christ, the Firstfruits)...the feast of harvest (Pentecost, having to do with the wheat harvest), the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering (Feast of Tabernacles), which is in the end of the year...Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD....The FIRST (i.e., Rapture I) of the firstfruits (all those "redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God," Revelation 14:4) of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God" (Exodus 23:14-19).

I think we are the first of the firstfruits! Pentecost is when "The FIRST of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God." To me, this is Rapture I. The Bride of Christ is the "FIRST" of the entire Body of Christ, which is the whole "firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb."

In other words, the entire firstfruits is the Body of Christ, but the first of the firstfruits is the Bride of Christ. The Bride is taken to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture on Pentecost. The remainder of the Body of Christ is caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the Feast of Trumpets, the 2,300th day of the Tribulation.

We may not have much more time before the Rapture to make sure we are wearing the white wedding garments. That is what is important, to be ready so we will be wise virgins, chosen as the Bride of Christ. We should use I John 1:9, confess our known sins so He can cleanse us of ALL unrighteousness. Then we are filled with the Holy Spirit and ready. In what little time we have left, while filled with the Holy Spirit, we can earn rewards that will be handed out at the Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven.

I think it will take place on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. Rev. 11:17 says, "O Lord God Almighty...thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned (this is Christ's Coronation Day). And the nations were angry (the northern army is attacking Israel), and thy wrath is come (Ezek. 38:24: 'my fury shall come up in my face'), and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (the Judgment Seat of Christ), and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth" (with the seven trumpet judgments).

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...I am a seventeen year old high school senior at ----, and this evening, I stumbled across your page and it really put me to thinking. I know, first of all, that I am saved, so i have no worries. However, I am here to seek advice on the behalf of another, whether or not she will take it.

No, for this little conversation, I would like to ask that you put away your fixation with the date of the rapture, and answer my question in the here and now. I truly admire your quest for knowledge, but the bible does say that Jesus will come like a thief in the night, and that none will know when. Though I don't know the verse or the quote, that is there somewhere. I am not the bible scholar that it appears to me that you are, but that is besides the point.

My quandry is this. I have a girlfriend whose name is ----. She and I have been together for six months now, and I love her very dearly. I know many mock the love of youth, but neither I nor her am known to be flighty. My worry is, that she is not a christian. Unfortunately, it isn't so simple as maybe not attending church, but she doesn't believe in God at all. In the past three months, I have been able to talk her into coming to a youth group at my church where we have a bible study, and I think that it may be helping a little, but I can never be too sure.

Right now, I am at the point of tears. She has been one of my worrys for a very long time. Especially when the subject of the rapture is brought up. I know what it means for me: heaven. And I know that there is a possibility that during the following seven years, she might become a christian, but if she doesn't, she will be suffering for eternity, and sitting here at my keyboard, I begin to weep at the thought.

I am not entirely sure why I am writing this letter. I think it is partially as a catharsis, an emotional release, but I guess, I am also asking for advice and prayer. Please, among all the other things that you must have on your mind, please keep a small corner of your mind open to my plight and pray for me. Please, if you aren't too busy, write back. Give me some ideas, or advice, or condolences, or whatever you think can help me. (right now, a tissue would be nice.) I wish I could try to tell you more about the situation, but my words have temporarily run dry, while my eyes run in rivers.

(note: This next part is a more thourough explaination of the situation, but it will probably be ridden with random thoughts, so please forgive the babbling nature of it.)

She simply doesn't believe, and I can't understand why. She comes to youth group every wednesday, but still, nothing noticeable. Somethimes, she will say or do something that lifts my hopes, but instantly, she will change moods or do or say something else, and my hopes are reshattered. She has been coming to youth group, and has finally offered to take me up on my open invitation to come on sundays. However, this is almost a mixed blessing. I can never tell if she is doing something because she wants to, i.e. she might actually be starting to believe, or just to make me happy, i.e. faking belief so that I will be satisfied with her. I try to do my best to not cram it down her throat, but occaisonally it is hard to not start yelling wha I believe in her face. I know that if I were to do something like that, it would turn her off from the idea completely. I know some might say, "Oh, Yes, but the power of your testimony will be sure to affect her.." Well, I know better. She despises having anything forced upon her.

...I thank you for you time and thoughts, and I hope to hear from you soon. Thank you for listening, Love in Christ

My reply

> the bible does say that Jesus will come like a thief in the night, and that none will know when.

When he comes as a thief is just before Armageddon, at the end of the Tribulation, not at the first Rapture. See. Rev. 16:15,16. I Thess. 5:4 says, "But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief."

Rev. 3:3 says, "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief (at the second Rapture), and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." What will we know if we do watch? Right. We will know what hour he will come upon us.

Re: your unsaved girlfriend. We are not supposed to marry nonbelievers. Use I John 1:9. Confess all known sins so the Lord can clease you of all unrighteousness. Then pray about this girl. The Lord may be able to do something that you can't to bring her to himself.

Send me your address, and I will mail you a 34-page booklet called "Don't Blame Me If You Go To Hell! by Mary Ames at Turning Point Ministries. She just put them in the mail to me today. Since I got her email about sending them today and your email came the same day, just maybe this booklet is to help you to bring your girlfriend to Christ. The Lord works in mysterious ways.

This booklet is a well-written "rational, scientific argument providing evidence that leads the reader to the only conclusion that will open the doors to heaven--the good news of Jesus Christ."

I pray that the Lord will use this to open her eyes. In Jesus' name, Amen.

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I just ran into your web page last week and was fascinated with the 30 - 50 year window of time. I did a computer search of verses that contained both 30 and 50 and found that in Gen 6:15 the ark is 300 x 30 x 50 cubits. Also Solomons porch and house were 100 x 30 x 50 cubits. The 30 - 50 is mentioned 7 times in Numbers chapter 4 verses (3, 23, 30, 35, 39, 43, 47). Verses 35, 39 and 43 are identically worded (KJV). Maranatha!

My reply

Thanks for your input.

The numbers 30 and 50 being associated with the Ark could be meaningful for the Rapture is as the days of Noah.

It is interesting also that in Nu. 4, the 30 and 50 appears 7 times. I did not realize that. Anything repeated so many times must be to get our attention.

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From the 5 Doves site
Clay Cantrell (20 March) "MJ Agee Timeline /1998 and extras"
MJ Agee in her excellent book "The End of the Age", charts the endtime timline as follows:

1998 = Rapture of the Bride
2001 = Start of Tribulation
2004 = Mid Trib, 2 witnesses cut off.
2007 = End of the Age

Many do not think this timeline is rational. since 666 x 3 = 1998, the Rapture of the Church and the arrival of the Beast (start of the Tribulation, Daniels 70th week) must coincide in 1998. i won't take sides on this, but i will say this: putting a calculator to her timeline produces results that shouldn't be ignored.

leaving out the Rapture 1998 figure and just dealing with the years beyond 2000, i subtracted years from each other working backwards from 2007. like so:

2007 minus 2004 minus 2001 = what?

2007 - 2004 - 2001 = -1998

did you see that? subtracting back through the years beyond 2000 into negative numbers produces the year we are currently in, her date for a Rapture of the Bride.

My reply

Thank you.

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I don't know if you have seen this yet, but it just goes to show that true to the Word, scoffers abound in the last days.

My reply

Yes. I have seen it. He made certain that he sent me a copy when he first wrote it in 1997. He didn't even bother to get his "facts" straight. He said,

> MA's story about the "rectangle of light" also includes her "hearing
> a masculine voice," and at that time she was reading Job 33:15 "in the
> Septuagint." Also, that "rectangle of light" appeared on her open Bible
> "in a darkened room." Maybe that's why I never get any "lights" like
> this, for I can't read in the dark and can't read the Septuagint.

The rectangle of light was at a different time from hearing a masculine voice, which was at a different time (about a 20 year spread) from reading Job 33:15 in the Septuagint.

> Now, don't think that MA got all of this information simply by her
> little self; she has had some help - from a fellow named "Bruce Baber."
> He helped on the "Two Raptures" thing. He also told her that "Enoch's
> and Elijah's translations foreshadow the two Raptures," and she said, "I
> just love to learn something new." Well, so do I! and that is certainly "a
> new one on me"! I'm tickled to death to learn about it!

I copyrighted my book, Exit: 2007: The Secret of Secrets Revealed (published later by Avon Books as The End of the Age), in 1987 to prove that I knew the Rapture was not going to happen in 1988. In that book, I told about the two Raptures. The first time I ever heard from Bruce Baber was his letter of 10-26-95. He started off, "I have been reading your book, The End of the Age, for about the sixth time."

What I learned from Bruce Baber was that "the church is represented by the feet of Christ." Here is what his letter of 12-3-95 said,

"I liked very much the point you shared with me concerning the comparison between the days of Noah and the days of Lot. You stated that in the first account marriage is mentioned and not in the latter. You went on to summarize by saying that these two references show the contrast between the first rapture and the second. The first is for the bride of Christ. The second rapture is for the remaining who are saved, but not the bride. I think this is true. You know, I never could reconcile the different symbolic references to the rapture until I understood that there were two rapture events. One for the bride. One for the remainder of the church.

"In speaking of the church, I am reminded of my own continuing studies of how the church is represented by the feet of Christ. I am amazed at the number of references. It must mean something important if the church of the last days is referred to so often."

After he told me this, I got another idea, that the feet of the Body of Christ represent the two Raptures. One is born a little ahead of the other. I had not thought about the feet of the Body of Christ representing the two Raptures before. It took concentrating on the feet to see it.

This is why it is so nice to correspond with others who study the Bible deeply. We can each learn from the other. No one knows it all. One person sees one thing, another sees something else. Put them together and both can profit by it.

Mr. Ross obviously enjoys being sarcastic. I don't. I doubt that he could learn much from others. You have to try to see what people are really saying to understand, kinda stand in their shoes for a minute, look at things from their point of view and see if their ideas have merit. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, but you will never know if they do or not unless you give them some kind consideration.

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Eddie Chumney, Israel News: March 23-30, 1998
Press Release of Temple Mount Faithful and Chai v'Kaiyam.

On the 10th April the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement, together with the Chai v'Kaiyam organization, intend to hold a Passover sacrifice on the Temple Mount. This will be done on an altar which is already prepared....If permission is not granted to enter the Temple Mount, then the sacrifice will be performed in the City of David before the Southern gates of the Temple Mount, the main gates used by the Israelites to enter the Temple Mount during the time of the First and Second Temples. Even though the Passover sacrifice has to be performed on the Temple Mount, we shall sacrifice it in the City of David as a symbolic act and as a first step for the fulfillment of this important commandment....

It will be done without an altar but exactly according to all the details of G-d's commandment for the Passover sacrifice. It is only on the Temple mount that sacrifice can be performed on an altar. We hope that the Israeli government will at least grant us the permission to perform the sacrifice in this place. If not, we shall perform it on a hill close to the Temple Mount and the City of David from where the Temple Mount and site of the Holy of Holies can be clearly seen.

Arutz Sheva News Service, Thursday, March 26, 1998 / Adar 28, 5758
...Anan himself, speaking at the Knesset, said, "I know that "Oom-shmoom" - David Ben-Gurion's famous catchy rhyme - is used by Israelis from time to time to dismiss the United Nations, that some see as either irrelevant or as hostile to Israel. In the end, I think you will agree that in today's interdependent world, without Oom [the United Nations], we will all have kloom (Hebrew for "nothing")."

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