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Posted 12-3-01

Mars once had more water than Earth, researchers say http://www.rense.com/general17/south.htm AP - WASHINGTON -- Mars is now dry, dusty and cold, but a new study confirms that the Red Planet once was covered by vast oceans and had more water per square mile than Earth. In fact, it once had enough water to cover the planet to a depth of almost a mile, researchers say, citing an analysis of data measuring the amount of molecular hydrogen in the atmosphere. Unlike Earth, Mars lost its water over millions of years through a combination of chemical reaction and the bombardment of asteroids and comets....

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MARILYN, WE WERE HIT WITH THIS VIRUS SEVERAL TIMES BUT PRAISE THE LORD WE ARE PROTECTED! NOW WE ARE BEING HIT WITH THIS SNOW STORM. WE LIVE IN THE MOUNTAINS (THE LOWER PART) OUR PROPERTY IS VERY WOODED. THE SNOW IS FALLING STEADY, HEAVY AND WET. TREES ARE FALLING EVERYWHERE! IT LOOKS LIKE A WAR ZONE AND SOUNDS LIKE ONE. WHEN THE TREES BREAK THEY SOUND LIKE GUN SHOTS. PRAY WE ARE PROTECTED, US OUR HOMES, PROPERTY, CARS BUILDINGS ECT. POWER LINES ARE DOWN FROM HEAVY SNOW AND FALLEN TREES. THERE WAS ONE SMALL FIRE 1/2 MILE DOWN THE ROAD FROM US LAST NIGHT BECAUSE THE TREES ARE FALLING ON THE LINES. IT IS TOO DANGEROUS FOR POWER CO. CREWS TO WORK BECAUSE OF FALLING TREES. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS HERE BEFORE. I HAVE HAD MY FAMILY PRAYING AND FASTING ALL WEEK, I THOUGHT WE WERE PRAYING FOR THE BODY OF CHRIST AND OUR NATION AND ISRAEL. LITTLE DID I KNOW THAT WE WERE PRAYING AGAINST ALL THIS. VIRUS, SNOW, ECT. IS JESUS TRYING TO TEACH US SOMETHING OR JUST TESTING US TO MAKE US MORE FAITHFUL AND STRONG? I STILL PRAISE HIM AND GIVE HIM GLORY IN THIS MESS. I HAVE MUCH TO BE THANKFUL FOR. (HE LOVES ME!) SHELLY

My reply

You have my prayers. Glad you were protected from that virus. Man's strength is so puny in the face of violent weather. Hope it lets up soon. God bless. Agape

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forget about bible codes, this is prophetic by itself:

FWD: Joe Hill (1 Dec) (5 Doves site) "USA Today - UN Security Council prediction" An ad appeared on the Friday-Saturday-Sunday edition of USA Today. Title: Sir Isaac Newton and the Bible Code. The ad by the Lord's Witnesses (http://www.truebiblecode.com ) predicts that the UN will expand the security council to 10 members on 12/5/2001.... (emphasis mine) Britain wants to see the council increased to 10 permanent members.

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Re: YOU MUST READ THIS, HANUKAH RAPTURE THIS YEAR
Marilyn, please stop what your doing, and PLEASE, read this.... It just about proves in stone that the rapture is coming 1 week from today, the 1st day of the festival of lights..... please, Im begging you to read this now..

http://geocities.com/drendrag2000/
YBIC

My reply

Going through "Signs and Psalms," I can't see that Psa. 1-11 refers to Jan. - Nov. 2001, but I do agree that Psa. 12 is talking about the Pre-Trib Rapture. If Psa. 12 does correlate with Dec. 2001, that would fit my thinking. Dec. 19 is 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14) before Apr. 6, 2008, when I think the Second Advent will be. It seems that the Pre-Trib Rapture would precede Dec. 19. It is as the days of Noah, and the Flood came Cheshvan 17 (Nov. 3, 2001) and lasted 40 days. The 40th day would be Kislev 28 (Dec. 13, 2001), my birthday and the 4th day of Hanukkah. The Rapture that day would make it my best birthday ever.

However, why would Psa. 12 mark December on our calendar? Wouldn't any correlation be according to the Jewish calendar? Kislev is the 9th month.

Re: Psa 7:13, Dan Gardner, rendrag2000@home.com, says:

> > 13 He has prepared his deadly weapons; he makes ready his flaming arrows. ("He" is Osama bin Laden and the Talliban) I don't think so. Instead of Bin Laden, it refers to the LORD. Psa. 11-13 says, "Sing praises to the LORD, which dwelleth in Zion: declare among the people his (the LORD's) doings. When he (the LORD) maketh inquisition for blood, he (the LORD) remembereth them: he (the LORD) forgetteth not the cry of the humble. Have mercy upon me, O LORD; consider my trouble which I suffer of them that hate me, thou (the LORD) that liftest me up from the gates of death."

Gardner thinks Psa. 9 refers to Sept. 2001. Yet verses 3-9 refer to the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord. It is the day of the Coronation of Christ, the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the Marriage of the Lamb, the Judgment Seat of Christ and the Day of God's Wrath. This passage says, "When mine enemies are turned back, they shall fall and perish at thy presence (paniym, face, Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30). For thou hast maintained my right and my cause; thou satest in the THRONE JUDGING right. Thou hast (past tense) rebuked the heathen, thou hast destroyed the wicked, thou hast put out their name for ever and ever. O thou enemy, DESTRUCTIONS ARE COME TO A PERPETUAL END (God's wrath has come): and thou hast destroyed cities (Babylon is no more); their memorial is perished with them. But the LORD shall endure for ever: he hath prepared his THRONE for JUDGMENT. And he shall JUDGEthe world in righteousness, he shall minister JUDGMENT to the people in uprightness. The LORD also will be a refuge ( misgab, lofty inaccessable place, i.e., the Tribulation saints are raptured to Heaven, where their enemies cannot go) for the oppressed, a refuge in times of trouble" (Day of God's Wrath).

> > Psalm 10 (October 2001 - Osama identified as the one who caused attacks, U.S. bombing of Taliban and terrorist networks has begun)
> > 1 Why, O LORD, do you stand far off? Why do you hide yourself in times of trouble?
> > ** Verses 2 through 11 may apply directly to Osama bin Laden

Psa. 10:1 says, Why standest thou AFAR OFF (in Heaven), O LORD? why hidest thou thyself in times of trouble?" The trouble begins when the 6th seal is broken on the Title Deed of the Earth (Rev. 6:12f)." V. 6 says, "thy JUDGMENTS are FAR ABOVE." The Judgment Seat of Christ takes place in Heaven. V. 16 says, "The LORD is KING FOR EVER AND EVER: THE HEATHEN ARE PERISHED OUT OF HIS LAND." It is Coronation Day, the Judgment of Christ, and the Day of God's Wrath.

> > ** Verses 12 - 18 is the response of God to the victims
> > 15 Break the arm of the wicked and evil man; call him to account for his wickedness that would not be found out. (The "arm" being the Taliban)

"Break the arm of the wicked and evil man" refers to the False Prophet. Zech. 11:17 says, "Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock (he goes to Babylon)! the sword (Sword of the LORD) shall be upon his ARM, and upon his RIGHT EYE: HIS ARM SHALL BE CLEAN DRIED UP, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened."

> > ** Verses 4 - 7 reiterate Psalm 1. The righteous will see his face - the wicked will face destruction
> > 4 The LORD is in his holy temple; the LORD is on his heavenly throne. He observes the sons of men; his eyes examine them.
> > 5 The LORD examines the righteous, but the wicked[2] and those who love violence his soul hates.
> > 6 On the wicked he will rain fiery coals and burning sulfur; a scorching wind will be their lot.
> > 7 For the LORD is righteous, he loves justice; upright men will see his face.

This is the Feast of Trumpets, when Christ, as our High Priest, would be in the temple. It is Coronation Day, the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ, the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, and the Day of God's Wrath. The saints receive their rewards in Heaven, and the wicked receive their just rewards for their unbelief on Earth.

> > Psalm 12 (December 2001 - completing the separation of the righteous from the wicked and the possible start of Daniel's 70th week)

> > 1 Help, LORD, for the godly are no more; the faithful have VANISHED from among men. (Rapture??)
> > 2 Everyone lies to his neighbor; their flattering lips speak with deception.
> > 3 May the LORD cut off all flattering lips and every boastful tongue
> > ** I found it interesting that it mentions the cutting off of lying lips in conjunction with the faithful vanishing from among men ...
> > 4 that says, "We will triumph with our tongues; we own our lips[2] --who is our master?"
> > 5 "Because of the oppression of the weak and the groaning of the needy, I will now arise," says the LORD. "I will protect them from those who malign them."
> > 6 And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined in a furnace of clay, purified seven times.
> > 7 O LORD, you will keep us safe and protect us from such people forever.
> > 8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

I can agree with him on Psa. 12. It does represent the Pre-Trib Rapture.

Psa. 12:1 (KJV) says, "To the chief Musician (natsach, to glitter from afar, i.e., from Heaven, to be eminent, permanent) upon Sheminith (an 8-stringed lyre), A Psalm of David. Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail (pacac, DISAPPEAR, VANISH) from among the children of men."

Psa. 12:1 (NAB) says, "Help, LORD, for no one loyal remains; the faithful have VANISHED from the human race."

Psa. 12:1 (Rotherham) says, "O save Yahweh, for the man of lovingkindness, is no more, for the faithful, have VANISHED, from among the sons of men."

Psa. 12:5,7 (KJV) says, "NOW will I ARISE, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him....shalt preserve them from THIS GENERATION." Agape

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Re: Signs and Psalms
have you seen this? What do you think? Was Hanukah the conception of Jesus? Would the conception of the Church likewise be on Hanukah?
http://www.geocities.com/krendrag/Psalms/SignsandPsalms.htm

My reply

Yes, I've seen Signs and Psalms. I can't see Psa. 1-11 correlating with Jan. - Nov., 2001. However, Psa. 12 definitely is talking about the Rapture.

I think Jesus was conceived around the time of Hanukkah. The Rapture is as the days of Noah. The rain started on Cheshvan 17 (Nov. 3, 2001) and stopped 40 days later. The 40th day would be Kislev 28 (Dec. 13), the 4th day of Hanukkah. For me, it would be a nice day for the Rapture. I was born on Dec. 13. Hope the church is born into a new world that day.

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Re: Do animals have souls?
My reply to Frank R Molver (1 Dec) on Five Doves site. In your article, "Eby's event that will change the world," http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2001/frankm121.htm, you said, "Animals are not created in God's likeness. We have a body soul and spirit. Animal may have a spirit but they do not have a soul. So only humans are triune, like God."

We agree that humans are triune and that animals are dichotomous, but I think animals have a body and a soul, for their bodies are alive. Lev 17:11 says, "the life of the flesh is in the blood." This kind of life we share with the animals. Without the soul, which is animal life, they would be dead. Gen. 4:8-10 says, "Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper? And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's BLOOD CRIETH UNTO ME FROM THE GROUND." The soul was alive when the body was not.

I Thess. 5:23 says, "the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole SPIRIT and SOUL and BODY be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." I Thessalonians was the first epistle Paul wrote. In verse 1, he made it clear that he was writing "unto the CHURCH of the Thessalonians." Therefore, members of the CHURCH are "SPIRIT and SOUL and BODY."

It is my understanding that animals have body and soul. Soulish life is animal life. Without the soul, the body is dead. With the soul, the animal is alive.

Job 32:8 says, "there is a SPIRIT in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding." Man can have God-consciousness. I think animals have self-consciousness and world-consciousness, but not God-consciousness. That God-consciousness, which is of the spirit, sets man apart from animals.

However, even a believer can live a soulish life like an animal, or he can live life according to the spirit. We would call the former a carnal Christian. We should rise above mere soulish animal life and live a spiritual life, led by the Spirit of Christ.

The natural man is the soulish man. 1Co 2:14 says, "the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

I like Prov. 20:27. It says, "The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly." God knows us better than we know ourselves. To know the Lord better, we need the Spirit of God in us too. We communicate with God through the spirit. Animals lack this kind of communication. Agape
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From 5 Doves site:
Chris Leighton (1 Dec) "7 Day Warning to December 6"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2001/chrisl121.htm
Hello John,
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/indexback14.html

The above link details Asteroid 2001WM15 as the date of approach 2001/11/29/01; distance in AUs 0.004832-0.0047809: Asteroid `near miss' tonight A 40M-WIDE asteroid discovered at the weekend will sweep past Earth tonight, missing our planet by less than 750,000 km. The "near miss" demonstrates how late astronomers may spot an asteroid on a collision course with Earth.Astronomical Society of SA technical officer Tony Beresford said the asteroid, dubbed 2001 WM15, was detected last Saturday. A rock of such size has the potential to "obliterate" an entire city, he said. SEE: ASTEROID 'NEAR MISS' TONIGHT 2 ORBIT

Two points of interest -

A) Note the Asteroid is described as 40 Meters Wide - 40 a most biblical number is it not;

B) November 29 + 7 days takes us to December 6. Is God giving a clear 7 day warning of just one of the many ways HIS RIGHTFUL anger against our corruption of HIS creation (Stem Cell Research and Modified Genetic Manipulation) might take (re my previous post two days ago).

Time is short and we must prayerfully consider these things and how Our Lord would have us respond.

God Be With All Doves in the week Ahead, Chris

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My name is Joe Hill. I post once in a while on the Five Doves site.

This morning as I got in the shower (after my early morning prayer) I heard a very quiet word in my head. It was spoken to me very softly but very clearly.

I have been told many other things but I have made an agreement with God not to share them unless I am told to. I do feel that I am tell this however.

The word was: "Habakkuk"

After reading that book this morning I knew that I could tell this message. The meaning of the book may also mean that I can tell more things. I did send this message to the Five Doves but it will not appear until tomorrow. I was led to send this message to you in advance however. Let me say this also: Let those who have wisdom understand. Joe

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Habakkuk is interesting. We can find much there that looks forward to "THE END" (2:3), the Great Tribulation. This is THE END spoken of in Mt. 24:14-16. It says, "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall THE END come. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains." This End starts when the False Prophet comes to full power in the middle of the Tribulation.

In 1:5,6, we see that many Jews are still dispersed among the nations. To them, the Lord says, "Behold ye AMONG THE HEATHEN, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you. For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans (Babylonians, Iraqis), that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not theirs." In 2:2,3, Habakkuk is given a vision and told to "Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables that he (Messianic Jew) may run (ruwts, run hastily, as in Mt. 24:15) that readeth it. For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at THE END (the Great Tribulation) it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it, because it will surely come, it will not tarry (remain behind, be late)."

Verses 4-7 begin a section about the False Prophet. "Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him...he transgresseth by wine, he is a proud man, neither keepeth at home (moves to Babylon), who enlargath his desire as hell (Satan), and is as DEATH (Rev. 6:8), and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him ALL NATIONS (i.e., he heads up the UN/OWG and the UR), and heapeth unto him all people...Woe to him that increaseth that which is not his! (probably steals the remnants of the church and the bank accounts of those that will not take the mark of the beast). HOW LONG? (the 3.5 years that get shortened) and to him (Satan) that ladeth himself with thick clay! (inhabits the body of clay that is the False Prophet).

Verse 9 speaks of Satan, saying, "Woe to him that coveteth an evil covetousness to his house, that he may set his nest on high (on the asteroid Wormwood (Rev. 8:11), that he may be delivered from the power of evil!"

Verse 12 speaks of The Satan-possessed False Prophet, saying "Woe to him that buildeth a town with blood, and stablisheth a city (Babylon) by iniquity!"

In verses 15 and 16, the third woe (as in Rev. 8:13) is mentioned, and says, "the cup of the LORD'S right hand shall be turned unto thee." This cup reminds us of Rev. 18:6. It says, "Reward her (the world church headquartered in Babylon) even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in THE CUP which she hath filled fill to her double."

Verse 18 mentions "the molten image, and a TEACHER OF LIES." This ties in with Rev. 13:14,15, also with Isa 9:15: "The ancient and honourable (the Tribulation Pope), he is the head (6th head of the great red dragon); and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail" (7th head plus the tail of the great red dragon, because Satan himself is in him).

When the False Prophet is to be deposed, "the LORD is in his holy temple (in Heaven): let all the earth keep silence before him." Christ is the High Priest, who would enter the temple on feast days. I think this is Tishri 1, 5768, the Feast of Trumpets. Both Heaven and Earth keep silent while he is seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven.

It took me a long time to understand Hab. 3:2. It seemed to point to the Rapture of the Tribulation saints Mid-Trib, but this is not talking about Mid-Trib. It is talking about the Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets when the Sign of the Son of Man appears in the sky. It says, "O LORD, revive thy work in the midst (qereb, center) of the years, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath remember mercy." It seems to be referring to the junction of the end of this age and the beginning of the Millennium. The Sign of the Son of Man is seen as this age ends. The Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place after Tishri 1 begins at 6 PM. At the Judgment Seat of Christ, the 7 trumpet judgments are cast on Earth. The asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 hit at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5).

The midst or center of the years seems to refer to 6 PM, when the Jewish year of 5767 becomes 5768. This agrees with the rest of the book. Hab. 3:12 speaks of the Day of God's Wrath. It says, "God came from Teman (perfect, the right hand), and the Holy One from mount Paran (cavernous, beauty, glory, ornament). Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise. And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power. Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet (Rev. 6:13). He stood, and measured the earth: he beheld, and drove asunder the nations; and the everlasting mountains were scattered, the perpetual hills did bow: his ways are everlasting. I saw the tents of Cushan (meaning black) in affliction: and the curtains of the land of Midian (judgment) did tremble. Was the LORD displeased against the rivers? was thine anger against the rivers? was THY WRATH against the sea (Mediterranean), that thou didst ride upon thine horses and thy chariots of salvation? Thy bow was made quite naked (the arrow was shot out), according to the oaths of the tribes, even thy word. Selah (pause and think of this). Thou didst cleave the earth with rivers. The mountains saw thee, and they trembled: the overflowing of the water passed by: the deep uttered his voice, and lifted up his hands on high (because the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 impacts the Mediterranean Sea). The sun and moon stood still in their habitation (on Jesus' Long Day): at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst THRESH THE HEATHEN IN ANGER."

Verses 15 and 16 say, "Thou didst walk through the sea with thine horses, through the heap of great waters. When I heard, my belly trembled; my lips quivered at the voice: rottenness entered into my bones, and I TREMBLED IN MYSELF, THAT I MIGHT REST (be caught up the Pre-Wrath Rapture) IN THE DAY OF TROUBLE: when he cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops."

The last verse also speaks of the Pre-Wrath Rapture. V. 19 says, "The LORD God is my strength, and he will make my feet like hinds' feet, and HE WILL MAKE ME TO WALK UPON MINE HIGH PLACES (in Heaven)." This 2nd Rapture is on the Day of God's Wrath, just before the 7 judgments are cast on Earth. Agape

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...How do I know if I am saved? I never attended church that often, but did receive my first holy communion. I have a Bible that I read from time to time. I talk to the Lord out loud sometimes not sure if he is listening to me or if I'm even doing it right. Maybe you can point me in the correct direction. I'll stop rambling right now and give you time to reply. Thanks for your time. God Bless.

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Sorry to take so long to answer.

If you are not sure whether you are saved or not, pray and tell the Lord you accept Jesus Christ as your own personal Saviour. Record the date, and count it as your spiritual birthday.

Pray to the Father in the name of the Son (i.e., in Jesus' name, Amen). Say what in on your mind. God answers honest prayer.

When you accept Christ, he will baptize you with the Spirit of God. This seals you until the day of redemption. Your prayers will be known as soon as you think them. You can talk to the Lord anytime. Agape

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Re: post on fivedoves
I read your post on fivedoves about animals and souls and I agree whole-heartedly with your clarificiation. When Christians do not live by the Holy Spirit we descend into the soulish/carnal realm of the animal. In fact we open ourselves to the demonic in which case we become baser than the animals. In Him and God Bless,

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Thanks. I appreciate your letting me know your thoughts. Agape

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