Pro and Con 842

Posted 12-6-01

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Re: Do animals have souls?
I just have a comment about this... Whether they have spirit or soul, I am not debating. I do, however, believe they go to heaven. Why? Because when God created animals, He meant for them to live forever. He never meant to have death enter into the picture. So, animals are meant to live throughout eternity. I have no doubt we will share our heavenly home with our animals friends. God Bless

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The Rapture should occur in 2001 according to the following mathematical calculations. There is a scripture which states "In two days He shall revive us and on the third day He shall lift us up and we shall live in His sight." The two days actually refer to two thousand years as another scripture states" A thousand years is as a day to the Lord." This is the basis for a mathematical code. The Jews used a different method of reckoning time using a lunar calendar of 360 days rather than a solar calendar of 365.2422 days. So the code is a bit complex to crack although not impossible.

As a starting point, I decided to use the Feast of Pentecost which took place in 30 A.D. This is the point at which the Church Age began and God stopped the clock for the Jews at the end of the 69th week. I then proceeded to add two thousand biblical years to 30 A.D.

Here is the complex part. You must convert two thousand Jewish (biblical) years to two thousand of our calendrical solar years.

2,000 years of 360 days= 720,000 days
Convert 720,000 days to solar years
720,000 divided by 365.2422= 1971.2946
Add 30 A.D. to 1971.3 which is 2001.3

If you really want to get more precision with this calculation you must remember that the Jewish year begins at the Feast of Trumpets in late September so at Pentecost in 30 A.D. the year would have been more than half advanced but even if you change the calculation as follows:

Add 30.5 A.D. to 1971.3 which is 2001.8

You still get 2001 even with variation of the beginning point. So I am expecting the Rapture this year... This calculation assumes that Jesus was crucified and resurrected in the year 30 A.D. Some scholars debate as to the year and point to 32 or 33 A.D. which would change the starting point of this calculation and put the Rapture in 2,003 or 2,004. Anyway, we are definitely in the endzone and close to the goal posts!

I would appreciate your input regarding these calculations and refinements due to further scholarly study. Sincerely

My reply

I'm not a believer in the 360-day so-called prophetic year. However, your calculations bring us right down to these days. We will know soon.

I think 30 AD is the only possible year for the Crucifixion. It fits every time clue given. No other year does. Agape

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Re: Just to say Hi w/ a little observance today
Every lunchtime I take a walk around the grounds where I work, which is for the U.S. Government, having lived in Wash, DC., since childhood. My workplace is situated on the Potomac river and I can always see the Monument, tower at Reagan Nat'l airport, the Cathedral, and the U.S. Capitol. They just about follow a curved line over the river that I see every day walking. I pay it little mind but to see it always reminds me of where I am--the Capitol of the United States and not the safest place to be, probably. Anyway it is home for me. Today, however, as I was walking I happened to notice this very dark, dark sky starting at Crystal City (in Alexandria, VA with a lot of government buildings), going over the tower at National Airport, then the Monument and the Cathedral and sort of ending over the U.S. Capitol. I kept looking to see if it could be smoke but had it been, it's possible I could have smelt it. I wondered if it were a cloud but this dark sky was very even with a line above it where the blue sky began. Today is a very sunny day with no clouds to speak of. I wondered if anyone else was noticing it. I came in and told my boss that I didn't know what to make of that very dark sky above those buildings. He just shrugged with no comment. I'm telling you just in case, you know... Whether or not it was a sign or anything I sure don't know, maybe not, but it did look odd.

I've been following your website now for a few years and believe you are one of God's anointed in these last days as a "Watchman (woman) on the Wall", as it were. I'm believing with you and share your words with my sister. Thanks. We keep you in our Waldorf, MD (but working in DC--just 22 miles away)

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. I have never been in DC. I'll post this and see if anyone else saw what you did. Agape

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Re: Rapture
I just read a carefully written opinion on another website, that contends that Christians will go throught the Tribulation before the Rapture occurs. It is not something that I want to believe, but the writer presents a good case.

I am not certain which is correct; pre-trib rapture, mid-trib rapture, or post trib rapture.

I am including the link to the site and would like to know what your opinion is of the authors contention.

If you believe the author is incorrect, please explain were the error is. Sincerely

My reply

The author does not take into consideration that there are 2 Raptures, one Pre-Trib and one Pre-Wrath. When Pre-Trib scriptures are applied to the Pre-Wrath Rapture, confusion results.

> > the rapture (the word itself is never used)

Rapture is an English word, from the Latin "rapiemur" in the Vulgate. The New Testament was written in Greek. Of course Rapture was not used. Trinity is not used, either.

The Greek word is "harpazo," translated as "caught up" in I Thess. 4:17. Verses 17 and 18 in the King James translation says, "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up (harpazo) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words." Caught up is an accurate translation. It leaves the reader with no doubt of what is being promised to Christians. If the word Rapture had been used, some would wonder what that meant. As it stands, we know for certain that living believers will be caught up to meet Christ in the clouds. That act is what we think of as Rapture. Truly, this is a precious promise by which we can "comfort one another."

> > At the times of the end, God will allow the unrighteous to persecute believers to an extent that "has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever shall," before ending their reign of terror. God then removes believers from the earth before executing judgment on the unrighteous.

This author's idea that all Christians will be martyred or go through the Tribulation is not comforting. Therefore, he (or she) is not obeying the command to "comfort one another with these words." Whatever I Thess. 4:13-18 means, it is comforting. Being caught up without having to go through the awful Tribulation is definitely comforting. I believe that promise God has given us.

> > Rapture of believers Mt. 24:31 Mark 13:27 Luke 17:34-36 Rev. 7:9-14

Mt. 24:31 says, "he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." This is at the time of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, not the Pre-Trib Rapture. Here all of the saints that have been caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture are gathered to the general assembly in Heaven on the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord. At the same time, the Pre-Wrath Rapture catches up the Tribulation saints.

Mark 13:27 deals with both the ones caught up to Heaven in the 1st Rapture and those caught up in the 2nd Rapture. It says, "then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (those just now being caught up) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN" (those previously caught up before the Tribulation began).

Luke 17:34-36 is talking about the Pre-Wrath Rapture. It is as the days of Lot, when fire fell. The Pre-Trib Rapture is as the days of Noah, when only rain fell.

Rev. 7:9-14 is talking about the Pre-Wrath Rapture. The saints out of all nations in Rev. 5:9 were caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture.

> > Descriptions of the return of Christ and the rapture are found in three of the four gospels, the book of Acts,15 1 Thesselonians,16 and the book of Revelation. It is mentioned in many other letters to the churches, but no significant additional information is included.

He failed to mention I Cor. 15:51,52, which is the Pre-Wrath Rapture at the "last trump." I Thess. 4:13-17 applies to the first "trump of God." These two trumps are prefigured in Nu. 10:1-4. It says, "the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them (both), all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation (the general assembly of Heb. 12:23). And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee. " The princes of Israel that will be at the general assembly in Heaven after the 1st Rapture are the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles. In Rev. 4 and 5, they are called "elders." John is one of the 24. The elders are in Heaven before the Title Deed of the Earth is given to Christ, before the 1st seal on that deed is broken to start the Tribulation.

Rev. 3:10,11 was left out, probably for a good reason. It shows that we will be kept from (ek, out of) the time of testing (70th week of Daniel, Tribulation) that will come on all the world to try those that remain on Earth. Rev. 3:10-13 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee FROM (ek, out of) the hour of temptation (peirasmos, trial), which shall come upon ALL THE WORLD, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly (at the Rapture, Rev. 2:5; 22:12,20): hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

> > The descriptions given in the gospels are sequential, since many verses indicate a sense of order:
> > Matthew 24:6 - "...but that is not yet the end"
> > Matthew 24:8 - "But all these things are merely the beginning..."
> > Matthew 24:14 - "And this gospel ... shall be preached in the whole world..., and then the end shall come"
> > Matthew 24:29 - "But immediately after the tribulation of those days..."
> > Matthew 24:30 - "and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky..."

In Mt. 24:6, 8 and 14, the Tribulation is still future. V. 14 says, "then shall THE END come." This end is the Great Tribulation, the end of this age. It starts in v. 15 with the "abomination of desolation."

Mt. 24:29,30 takes place on the last day of this age. The next day is the 1st day of the Millennium and the Day of God's Wrath. The Sign of the Son of Man will be seen on the last day of this age (Rev. 6:14f), just before the 2nd Rapure takes place before God's Wrath hilts Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5) the next day.

> > Parallel passages in the other gospel indicate similar references to sequential events. The order of events clearly indicates that believers will go through the Great Tribulation.

I don't think so. To me, the first trump will be heard before the Tribulation, and the last trump on the 1st day of the Millennium. All scriptures pertaining to the Raptures fit this schedule. Mark 13 has the same sequence of events as Mt. 24.

Luke 17:22-37 covers both the Pre-Trib Rapture and the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Each Rapture is a "day of the Son of man." Jesus told the disciples, "The days will come, when ye shall desire to see ONE OF THE DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN, and ye shall not see it." Those foolish Laodicean virgins that will not be caught up on the 1st Day of the Son of Man (the 1st Rapture), will see the 2nd Day of the Son of Man.

Continuing, Jesus said, "And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them (this is Mid-Trib or afterward, Mt. 24:26). For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day (the 2nd Day of the Son of Man, which is the 1st day of Jesus' 1000-year kingdom...And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days (2 of them) of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in MARRIAGE (all eight people in the Ark were married and the animals came in two by two), until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all" (cut off those that were not part of the Bride of Christ). Water is a symbol of the Spirit of God. It floats the Bride of Christ upward and cuts off the rest. The 1st Rapture is for the Bride of Christ. No marriage is listed here for the 2nd Rapture, although the 144,000 Israelites are also virgins without fault before the throne of God at the 2nd Rapture (Rev. 14:3-5). They seem to be added to the Bride group at the 2nd Rapture.

Continuing, "Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot (representing the 2nd Rapture); they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded (no marriage listed); But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom (representing the 2nd Rapture) it RAINED FIRE AND BRIMSTONE FROM HEAVEN (Day of God's Wrath), and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed (when the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky (Rev. 6:14f). In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is (the Body of Christ is in Heaven), thither will the EAGLES (high flying Tribulation saints) be gathered together." Isa 40:31 says, "they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings AS EAGLES; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."

> > The book of Revelation likewise indicates that believers will go through the tribulation. In chapter 6, believers killed for their faith ask how long it will be before God avenges their death. The answer is that they have to wait even until more believers are killed for their faith. Not only will believers be persecuted for their faith, but they will be killed because they are Christians (Revelation 6:11).

The martyrs of Rev. 6:10,11 are Tribulation saints. The saints that are raptured before the Tribulation are seen at the thone in Heaven in Rev. 5:9. The Tribulation saints are not seen in Heaven until Rev. 7:9,14.

> > Many Christians are looking forward to the return of Christ, which will, indeed, be a glorious event. However, the time just preceding the end will not be pleasant for Christians. The watchful Christian should be prepared to join his fellow brothers under the alter of souls of those who will die "because of the testimony which they had maintained."

That is not comforting. Believers are commanded to comfort one another in I Thess. 4:18, also in v. 11. It says, "comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, EVEN AS ALSO YE DO." Did those believers preach that believers would have to go through the Tribulation? No. They comforted each other. Jesus said, "even as also ye do." Agape

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Re: Repentence
Bless you, Marilyn! You just saved me and several members of my family who were following a false teacher (Bob George) who taught that it is even wrong to repent after you become a Christian--since you asking to "crucify Christ afresh" if you do! He is going to have to answer for this. He preaches against using 1 John 1:9, as a "Christian bar of soap" and says it's not for Christians! I believed him and taught friends and relatives, causing some irreparable damage. I have now repented and emailed three of those mentioned already. Bless you and your site and our dear Trinity whom I praise for raising you up even at this (to me) very last minute! It will be great to see you in heaven --Rapture or no Rapture--but I really do believe that this is the time. PS, I really love how you answered those pitiful souls... That was the epitome of Agape love! What a wonderful God who could raise up such a fine person as you. See you up there!

My reply

Thanks for such nice words.

I had a strange awakening to something else in I John long ago, when a group of college-age kids came to our house to study the Bible with me--unbidden by me, it just happened.

This night, we had all gone somewhere else where Bible study was going on in a home. In turn, we were each reading in I John and explaining what we saw in that scripture. My turn came. I read 2:18 (and later the rest of chapter 2). As "Little children, it is the last time" came out of my mouth, I learned this as I said it. This is addressed to the members of the last generation.

This was c. 1969-70, when these young people called themselves Jesus Freaks. They were on fire for God. It was obvious that the Spirit of Christ had come upon them. And, look what I John 2:20 says, "ye have an unction (anointing) from the Holy One, and YE KNOW ALL THINGS." What was not known in Mt. 24:36 can be known today. Daniel was to be understood in "the time of the end" (Dan. 12:4). I John 2:27,28 says, "But the anointing (unction) which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming."

Once the Sign of the End of the Age had appeared, the various time clues in the Bible could be understood. We have to keep looking to understand.

Pro 2:3-5 says, "Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God." I haven't stopped looking yet. Agape

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