Pro and Con 85, Uploaded 4-6-98

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> Marilyn wrote:
> ...SNOW," and this is at the time of the Rapture. You know, I won't be a bit
> surprised if it snows at the time of the Rapture.

Thank you for sending me this information. Here are some of my thoughts on this subject. Please forgive me, I do not have my Bible handy.

"As in the days of Noah..." Well, it started raining when Noah went into the Ark, why wouldn't it start to rain this time too? Lets take a step back and think for a second.

For rain to occur all over the earth, we need total could cover.

I am pretty sure that weather back when Noah was around was tropical in nature - a far cry from where we are now. At this point, would total cloud cover drop the temperature to where it would snow? It appears that this was not the case.

Now for today. If we had total cloud cover (as in the days of Noah), would it be cold enough to snow? Maybe, do you know anyone who could answer this?

"...we will be caught up in the clouds..." If it was not raining or snowing then it would be reasonable to say the parts of the earth would have a clear sky. Would that mean that those raptured in that area would get caught up in the clouds somewhere else? Now if it was raining or snowing all over the earth, then this statement would be applicable everywhere on earth.

I wouldn't be surprised either if it snowed at the rapture. I think it would be kind of fitting. I always enjoy the first snow because everything looks clean afterwards - like wearing white gowns.

This is great stuff! Thanks again.

My reply

Hmmmm. Maybe we don't need total clouds, just clouds that drop snow as they blow by Jerusalem.

BTW, it didn't rain for 7 days after Noah went into the Ark. This portrays Christ's return as the latter rain, the great rain of God's strength after the Tribulation.

You know, you got me thinking about the clouds in Noah's day. It had not rained from Adam to the Flood. That was 1656 years. Can you imagine how thick the cloud cover had become in 1656 years? No wonder it was ready to rain torrents.

> Now for today. If we had total cloud cover (as in the days of Noah), would
> it be cold enough to snow? Maybe, do you know anyone who could answer this?

No, but the Bible does not mention snow then, only rain. The clouds would have caused a greenhouse effect. However, today, where there is rain, there is the possibility of snow somewhere. All that is needed is a breath of cold air.

> Would that mean that those raptured in that area would get caught up in the clouds
> somewhere else?

I think there will be clouds around Jesus. He was received up into clouds at the Ascension, and he will so come in like manner. In Mt. 26:64, he said, "Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven." I think this refers to his Second Coming, but if he comes in clouds then, he will probably come in clouds at the Rapture. It ties in with I Thess. 4:17: "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air."

It is pleasant to speculate on this subject. It paints a pretty picture.

Incoming Email, Re: My doubts

> I have spent a fair amount of time wondering if, indeed, your hypothesis
> regarding a May 31, 1998 Rapture could be correct. (Obviously, pure chance
> could make it correct...) But I want to highlight a variety of the
> "underpinnings" of your hypothesis.

>1.) Let's start off with the "no mans knows".

> "Of that day, no man knoweth...not even the angels...only the Father". Of
> course Jesus was speaking in the present tense. On that day, no man knew.
> The implication you make is that someday, man will know...but just not then.
> Jesus did not play word games...he spoke very plainly.

***From Marilyn: What are parables?

> He spoke through context of "timelessness" in all of His teachings...ie: His words
> would be as applicable today as then.

***More so today. I Cor. 10:11,12 says, "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall."

> He also spoke of those things which He "longed to tell"...but His disciples could not
> bear it. Jesus was commissioned by the Father to do specific things. He only did the
> Will of the Father....He never did anything of His own "free will". He was perfectly
> obedient unto death and therefore provided the perfect, sinless sacrifice for our sins.
> In His perfectly obedient humanity, I do not believe Jesus Christ "knew" when He would
> come again.

***Then there is a danger that you do not realize the totality of who Christ really is. He said, "I am Alpha (the first, YHVH the King of Israel) and Omega (the last, YHVH of hosts), the beginning (Lord of the Old Testament) and the ending (Lord of the New Testament), saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first, AND I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

"God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" (II Cor. 5:19).

Christ, pre-incarnate in the Old Testament and incarnate in the New Testament is the one that has had to do with mankind all along. He made the plans before the world was. It is absurd to think he didn't know. He phrased the no-man-knows statement carefully for he did not want to reveal it at that time. He had two complete natures, that of man inherited from him mother, that of deity given by his Father. As man only, he did not know the day or hour. As God, of course he knew.

> it was not the will of the Father to reveal it. I believe you're "word-smything"
> when you imply by this verse that "just
> because they didn't know then doesn't mean that we would never know". Let's
> apply your logic to another phrase of Jesus' "No one comes to the Father
> except by Me." In this passage, Jesus is also speaking in the "present
> tense"...but, applying your reasoning that you apply to the Matthew 23
> verse, one could arrive at "Back then, no one came to the Father except
> through Christ, yet today, because knowledge has increased and because the
> 'wise shall understand', there are many ways to come to the Father." It's
> no different. Once you start 'fitting' Scriptural passages to fit a
> particular bias, anything goes. Jesus said, for His time and for all times
> to come, that No Man Knows...without some Scriptural basis for showing us
> how we are admonished to try to know, we must stick with the surface text.

> 2.) The Sign of the End of the Age.

> Certainly, one could mae a strong case that the "Fig Tree Parable" is an
> alagory of Israel's expansion during the six-day War...and it very well may
> have been the "marker"...However, I have my doubts. As I look through the
> Bible, I have never run across passages which indicate that everyone was
> aware that some specific prophecy was unfolding....yet that is exactly what
> is happening today with Rapture Fever. Everyone continues to look for that
> event or occurance which further proves that the prophecies regarding the
> End-Times are coming to fulfillment in our lifetimes....More often, the
> inspired prophecies of God happened when no one was expecting it...I think
> that's why the term "thief in the night", or "come as a thief" are used to
> describe the Second Coming.

***You are right that his coming as a thief apply to the Second Advent. We are not of the night, nor of darkness that that day should overcome us as a thief.

> 3.) "This generation shall not pass away".

> You assume that the word "generation" applies to a specific time-frame...say
> 40 years. However, a completely different interpretation of "generation"
> also exists...that being that the word "generation" refers to the "progeny"
> that is traced as far back as Cain. The Greek words for generation derive
> from the same root word and all are defined to mean "progeny"....the word
> "generation" is not referring to a period of time.

***Lu. 11:50-52 says, "That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of THIS GENERATION...verily I say unto you, It shall be required of THIS GENERATION. Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge."

This was spoken in 30 AD. Wrath fell on that generation in 70 AD when Jerusalem and the temple were burned. That generation was 40 years. The generation that died in the wilderness was given 40 years.

> Let's re-cast Matthew 24: 32-35 using "progeny" as the understanding for the
> word "generation".

> "Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When it's branch has already
> become tender and put forth leaves, you know that summer is near" (ie: you
> can see that the tree is acting as it would act when summer is near...so you
> know that summer is near). "So you also, when you see all these things"
> (the things mentioned in Matthew 24, verse 5-31), "know that it" ('it' being
> the question posed by the disciples in Matthew 24, verse 3) "is near, at the
> very doors". Assuredly I say to you, this 'race of mankind'
> (generation-progeny) will by no means pass away till all these things are
> fulfilled."

***Be careful that you are not also taking away the "key of knowledge."

> Your assertion that "the generation" which witnesses the 'Sign of the End of
> the Age' will also witness His second coming, is based upon what may be a
> faulty understanding or interpretation of what the word 'generation' is being used.

***And it may not be. You must give it consideration and be fully persuaded in your own mind.

> 4.) The Wise Shall Understand.

> You seem to equate "wisdom" (as God defines wisdom) with knowledge. The two
> are far apart. Our ability to dissect the Bible...to find numerical systems
> and Bible Codes and gematria wordings and the like have very little to do
> with Wisdom....they are simply an application of our own knowledge. What is
> God's Wisdom? "Blessed are the poor", "Turn the other cheek", "Forgive
> those who persecute you", "Store up treasure in Heaven", "Sell all you have
> and give it to the poor and follow me", "Do not worry about tomorrow, for
> tomorrow has enough troubles of it's own", "Love your neighbor as
> yourself"...don't these bits of God's wisdom sound in complete contradiction
> to what the world thinks? So what then shall the "wise" understand?

***Something that the wicked cannot understand, and they can understand "Love your neighbor as yourself." You are forgetting that the wicked will not understand.

> The Wise shall understand that this world is not going to get any better...the
> Wise shall understand that every attempt by man to improve himself will lead
> ultimately to frustration...the Wise shall understand that we have a far
> better life in eternity than we could ever hope for in this life....the Wise
> shall understand that we only have one day, and that each day is a gift from
> God....the Wise shall understand that the return of the Lord is immenent,
The word imminent does not appear in Scripture, nor does "immenent."

> and that He should find us expecting His return, but actively doing whatever
> He has called us to do until He comes......No where is it promised that the
> Wise shall understand or "know" the day or hour of our Lord's return.

> 5.) "Being filled with enough oil."

> I have a real problem with this one, because it introduces a measure of
> subjectivity to our salvation....which, by extension begs the question "Well
> how much is enough?"...to which you always answer "Only God knows how much
> is enough"...There is no subjectivity with God. His justice is perfect and
> His grace far exceeds the worst possible sin we could ever commit. We can
> never be good enough for God. All we can do is ask for forgiveness is
> Jesus' name, and His blood covers all. When the Angel of Death came to
> Egypt, all the Israelites needed to do was cover the doorposts and lintel
> with lambs blood...that's it...the blood covered it all...there was no
> subjectivity on God's part. Jesus died for all of our sins...past, present
> and future...sins we commit by omission and by co-mission...sins we commit
> that we never consciously "know" we commit. This "enough oil" analysis
> simply does not wash in the light of what we must "do" in order to inherit
> eternal life...and no distinction is made between the inheritance of eternal
> life via death or rapture.

***It doesn't matter if we die or are raptured, if we believe in Christ, we have eternal life. However, Paul was working for an additional prize, that of the high calling of God (saying, "Come up hither"?). He did not want to become a "castaway."

> Those that name the name of Jesus are already
> indwellt with the Holy Spirit...which is the "downpayment" on the life to
> come. We can allow the Holy Spirit to have greater or lessor control in our
> lives via submission to God's will...and we can quench the action of the
> Spirit through continual, non-reprentant sin. But once you're a Christian,
> you cannot have more or less of the Holy Spirit in your life.

***The light of the foolish virgins was going out for lack of oil. What was being quenched? Right. The Holy Spirit.

> He's there...and as you submit your life to God's leading, the Holy Spirit takes
> on a fuller dimension in the activities of your life.....I believe the
> "rewards" we receive in Heaven will be a direct reflection of the amount of
> control we allowed the Holy Spirit to have in our lives...therefore allowing
> our lives to be of greater service to God....It disturbs me when I see
> people posting here say "I hope I make the 'first cut'"! Hey, NONE OF US
> ARE GOOD ENOUGH...nothing we can do is good enough! Simply confess the name
> of Jesus...develop a personal relationship with Him....confess your
> sins....talk with Him, walk with Him, realize that you are nothing without
> Him. Submit your life to Him. Develop a child-like faith....that's what
> needs to happen....and whether you die in Christ, or be one that is alive at
> His return, you'll be changed

***This we need to do when we are babes in Christ. The church is now old and in need of strong meat.

> I'll be interested to see your responses.

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Hi - I've read your first two books and am partially through the third. I want to express my thanks to you and to God for pulling all this information together. The Bible has so many mysteries and you've have made them so clear and understandable. I gave your second book to my pastor and I am sorry to say, it was not well received. His comment was that there are things that we are not suppose to know. Any writings based on Daniel and Revelations should not be given much emphasis as those two books of the Bible are not the important ones. We have disagreed on a number of occasions during our Bible study. He seems to just skim the top of many subjects and will not get in to the serious, deep meanings. Although he doesn't say it, I can sense he gets really aggravated when I push him. I am not well educated (as he is) but I study the Bible and verses that appear quite clear to me, he interprets some other way. I'm unsure as to how far to push this. So other than that, my only question is this, would it be possible for a person who currently loves and "walks with God" to be raptured (like Enoch) prior to the real Rapture? I know all things are possible with God, however, do you think it is likely?

My reply

> The Bible has so many mysteries and you've have made
> them so clear and understandable.

Thanks. That is music in my ears. I get into deep stuff and am glad to know that it is clear and understandable. I rewrote my first book seven times. I kept learning more things, plus I kept trying to make it sound less and less like a textbook.

> I gave your second book to my pastor and I am sorry to say, it was not well
> received. His comment was that there are things that we are not suppose to know.

That may be only because you hit him with something that he did not know.

> Any writings based on Daniel and Revelations should not be given much
> emphasis as those two books of the Bible are not the important ones.

They are important if we are to understand what is coming upon the Earth during the Tribulation. Understanding this should make us want to "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man" (Luke 21:36).

> I'm unsure as to how far to push this.

He is in a leadership position, and may feel insecure enough the way it is. Be gentle and understanding.

> So other than that, my only question is this, would it be possible for a person who
> currently loves and "walks with God" to be raptured (like Enoch) prior to the real Rapture?

I don't think so. I think Enoch and the days of Noah represent the first Rapture, and Elijah and the days of Lot represent the second Rapture.

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> Hi from -----! Love your web page and "forthtelling".

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I happened to be browsing in the "Bible Code" and came across your web site. I too am a Christian and Baptist. I've skimmed over your predictions and dates rather briefly. Obviously you have spent far more time in God's Word than I. I have, however, studied a bit of the Bible in my young Christian journey, and I am puzzled that you claim to know these dates. I am especially troubled that you have voiced these dates, being the Bible Scholar that you claim, since God's word states in Mark 13:32 that no man knows the day or the hour of Christ's return - nor do the angels in heaven, not even the Son - But only God the Father Himself. I would like to believe you and do believe that the time of Christ's return is near. I also believe that your intentions are good and would like to know how you could have eluded this verse in scripture in your extensive studies of the Bible. I believe that God works in mysterious ways - far be it from me to falsify your information - Please do not be offended by my inquisition as it is a sincere concern. I welcome a response from my commentary and am eager to here from you. At any rate you have encouraged me to dig deeper - maybe God used this web site to push me deeper into the study of the Bible.

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I am not offended. Don't worry. I'm here to help.

When Jesus said that no man knoweth, the word "knoweth" was present tense. It meant that at that time on that particular day, no mere man knew. And, no mere man, or woman, was able to figure it out until the Sign of the End of the Age in 1967. Even after that sign, the Six-Day War, when Israel grew leaves and fulfilled the Fig Tree Parable, it took me another year to see God's plan.

Christ was both man and God. "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" II Cor. 5:19). As God, he knew. After all, he was the creator. "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made" (John 1:3). It is absurd to think that he did not know. He made all the plans for all of time. He planned how man was to be tested and how he was to be offered salvation. Yet, in his human nature, he did not yet know the day and hour. Since he did not mention the year, he must have known the year.

The last thing Jesus told the apostles is found in Acts 1:7-9: "It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. (Remember that the Father was in him.) But ye shall receive power (the power to know), after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight."

The church received the power to know when the Spirit of Christ descended on them at Pentecost in 30 AD. However, even though they had the power to discern, it was not possible to figure it out until the Sign of the End of the Age. That was why Jesus told us 23 times to "Watch."

What we were watching for was for Israel to grow leaves (Mt. 24:32-34). She grew four (Sinai, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights and West Bank) in the Six-Day War. From 1967 to 2007 is 40 years, the number of testing and probation. Just as Israel wandered 40 years in the wilderness before entering the Promised Land after she came out of Egypt, she is now wandering 40 years in another kind of wilderness testing before she enters the millennial Kingdom era.

How is Israel standing her test this time? The Lord said that her land would be restored to her, and it has been. Is she now trusting the Lord, who had the power to give it back to her, to also have the power to keep it intact? No! If she was, she would not be giving up land for a false peace. The Lord has laid it all out there for them, told them all the things that will now take place. As a nation, do they pay attention? No, to their detriment. They try to do things in their own strength instead of trusting in the Lord's strength. In about ten years time, they will be punished severely, but out of it will come a new realization of who Christ is. The nation will be saved in a day, the day of catastrophe and desperation, of the terror of terrors. An asteroid as big as a mountain will fall into the Mediterranean Sea and wash the invading northern army out of her hair. It is too bad that it takes that to bring them around, but it does.

When the Lord's fury comes up in his face because Israel is being attacked, "Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (sight, i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man), and the mountains (plural, the other will destroy Babylon) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground" (Eze,. 38:19,20).

After the Rapture of the Bride of Christ, Israel has four years of grace (1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001, counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning, Lu. 13:6-9) to show fruit. When she only has green figs, the Tribulation will begin. Once begun, it will continue to the awful climax. If they only knew which side of their bread (Jesus) was buttered (Spirit of God), they could avert the whole thing. Too bad. They learn their lessons the hard way.

Last thing I saw on TV last night as I went to turn it off, was new snow in the mountain passes here in Southern California. This unseasonable snow may be significant.

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Any symbolic relationship between the destruction of Rahab and when the curtain in the tabernacle was rent in two at Jesus' death and resurrection?

Ref: your position: Ex. 26:1 says, "MOREOVER thou shalt make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twined linen, and blue,and purple, and scarlet: with cherubims of cunning work shalt thou make them." Since cherubim represent planets, the ten widths stood for the ten original planets, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Rahab (now our Asteroid Belt), Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto.

Always good to see your page in action. God bless!

My reply

Re: curtain. I don't think so. It represented Christ's death. It was not the curtain over the top of the tabernacle, but the veil separating the Holy Place from the Holy of Holies, which represented Heaven. His death opened the way into Heaven.

Wouldn't you think the priests would have been impressed by such a tremendous sign and capitalized on it? No. They repaired the rent and went on as they were, refusing "the waters of Shiloah that go softly" (Isa. 8:6). As a result, they will get waters that do not flow softly.

At the end of the shortened Tribulation, an asteroid as big as a mountain will fall into the Mediterranean Sea and wash the invading northern army out of her hair. It is too bad that it takes that to bring them around, but it does.

When the Lord's fury comes up in his face because Israel is being attacked, "Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (sight, i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man), and the mountains (plural, the other will destroy Babylon) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground" (Eze,. 38:19,20).

All Israel will be born in a day (Isa. 66:8)--that day, which I believe will be Tishri 1, 5768, our Sept. 13, 2007, the first day of the Millennium.

Rev. 8:8,9 describes what happens when the first asteroid piece hits in the Mediterranean: "A great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed."

Verse 10 tell us of "a great star (aster) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp" falling. It is the "stone like a great millstone" (Rev. 18:21) that destroys Babylon.

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Just wondering how the world will explain away the Rapture - UFO related maybe? The Mars Global Surveyor is due for taking pictures over the Cydonia region - first possible picture post day April 6 (see NASA website). What if there are pyramids and a "face" on Mars?

Anyway, thank you for all the information!!! Since reading your site and trying to get my life "right" as best as I can (which of course I still manage to screw up daily), I have never felt so close to God and happy with each day. I pray for family and friends daily. Other than my husband, I know of no one else to talk to about this. It will be hard not to be disappointed if Pentecost goes by without anything extraordinaire! Thanks again.

My reply

> Just wondering how the world will explain away the Rapture - UFO related maybe?

A certain segment may, but many will see the Rapture take place, fear and trust in the Lord.

Psalm 40:1-3 says, "I WAITED patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit (as Jeremiah was taken up out of a pit), out of the miry clay (our bodies of clay), and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven), and established by goings. And the hath put a new song (sung after the Rapture in Revelation 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."

> first possible picture post day April 6 (see NASA website).

Strange that it comes on Apr. 6, the anniversary of the Crucifixion and the date of the Second Advent on our calendar.

> What if there are pyramids and a "face" on Mars?

I guess it would show that someone had been there before us.

> I have never felt so close to God and happy with each day.

That is the way the Lord wants us to lead our lives, humbly walking with our God.

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