Pro and Con 855

Posted 1-8-02

The next report shows why shepherds would not have been in the fields watching their sheep at night if Jesus was born on Dec. 25. The nights were too cold. It doesn't snow in Jerusalem every year, but many winter nights are cold.
Heavy snow expected in hill regions today, By David Rudge

HAIFA 1-7-02 Heavy snow fell on Mount Hermon and parts of the Golan yesterday and is expected to reach Jerusalem and Galilee peaks this morning....

Overnight temperatures were slated to reach zero or below in the capital and other hilly regions in the center and North.

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Re: Carina
the daring IDF raid on the weapons ship in the Red Sea, was made upon the ship Karine A. When I read about it, I thought of the constellation Carina, the keel of the ship Argo, the company of travelers. It just struck me, the similarities. The IDF named the operation "Noah's Ark."

Much love to you. I still feel in my spirit that we will see each other face to face in the near future.

My reply

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. The Rapture seems close to me too.

Since it is Operation Noah's Ark and the ship Karine A is so much like Carinae, the keel of the ship Argo that has Christ's face on it just above the water line, it seems like a sign to me also. It is the kind of event that would be covered by the media the world over. The takeover was peaceful. Not a shot was fired. No ammo blew up.

We had a new star, Nova Velorum, appear in Vela, the sails of the ship Argo, on Pentecost, 5-22-99 (Sivan 7). I wonder if we are supposed to make that connection with Pentecost now.

The formation in Eta Carinae that I posted on my Home Page looks like a decoration for a wedding supper too. All in Noah's Ark were married. It all fits together. The 1st Rapture is for the Bride of Christ....Love

Note: The ship Karine A was taken over in the Red Sea. I just now remembered that in the picture of Eta Carinae, the part that looks like rolled up lace tied in the middle is backed by a red cloud of of dust and gas. The picture published in Discover Magazine, January 2000, p. 35, shows the red part much more than the picture I have. It also says, "Eta Carinae may be the biggest, boldest, baddest star in the universe--100 times the heft of our sun."
Sharon of Arafat: from "Irrelevant" to "Bitter Enemy"
1-6-02...The crew was flown from to Port Sudan, then to Yemen, Dubai and the Iranian island of Kish, where the weapons cargo was loaded on the Karine-A....

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Re: Karine A.
This is the name of the ship siezed by Israel,that was bound for P.A. full of weapons,KARINE A. Sound familiar?The spelling is very close.I would like to add that when my wife saw what I was communicating to you here, she noted that the "carina" is the area where our wind pipe is connected to our two main bronchi into our lungs (where the 3 main airways connect) and could possibly be representative of the trinity.

My reply

Thanks for the information. I had never heard of this "carina."

I was thinking mainly of Eta Carinae in the southern constellation Carina, the keel of the ship Argo that has Christ's face on the keel just above the waterline. Eta Carina changes from time to time. It's an interesting region.

Carina is so much like Karine A, it may be intended to catch our attention. Taking this ship is probably newsworthy the world over too. Israel calling this Operation Noah's Ark, and the ship being loaded at the Iranian Island Kish (the name of Noah's City) add to the mystery. Agape

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...I have the picture of Eta Carinae that you sent me out on my desk. It shows the red cloud much better than the picture on my Home Page. The ship Karine A sounds so much like the constellation Carina, the keel of the ship Argo, it may be to get our attention. It's name was changed to this just last year. This was Operation Noah's Ark too. And the ship was loaded at the Iranian island Kish (the name of Noah's city near Babylon) and was captured in the Red Sea.

Ship - Karine A, loaded at Kish - Operation Noah's Ark
Ship - Noah's Ark, loaded at Kish - Operation Noah's Ark
Ship - Argo (meaning company of travelers), has replica of Christ's face on prow just above the water line. Carina is the keel.

Food for thought. Agape
Space rock to hurtle past Earth
...It will pass less than twice the Moon's distance from us as the rocky body moves closer to the Sun.

It is thought to be 300 metres in size - large enough to wipe out an entire country if it struck the Earth.

'Potentially hazardous'

2001 YB5 was discovered in early December by the Neat (Near Earth Asteroid Tracking) survey telescope observing from Mount Palomar in California.

Astronomers call it an Apollo object because it has a highly elliptical orbit that crosses the orbits of Mars, Earth, Venus and Mercury. It circles the Sun every 1,321 days....

In the meantime, it will come very close to us. At 0737 GMT on 7 January it will pass just 370,000 miles away from the Earth - close in cosmic terms....

My note

That means that the asteroid crosses our orbit twice every 1,321 days, once at the ascending node and again at the descending node. Twice the distance to the Moon is only about 6 hours travel time from the Earth for an incoming asteroid. That's too close for comfort. The 1,321 days are about 3.6 years. I wonder if this asteroid could be Wormwood (Rev. 8:11). I think Satan lives on Wormwood. It is the key of the bottomless pit, and this key was given to Satan. He will open the bottomless pit with it (Rev. 9:1,2). Of course, the Lord will use a whirlwind to bring it into a collision course with Earth at the proper time.

Jer. 23:19,20 says, "Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked (the Satan-possessed False Prophet will be blinded in his right eye, Zech. 11:17). The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider (biyn, understand) it perfectly."

In Ezekiel's vision, the four flying things represent the four terrestrial planets that fly in concentric circles around the Sun. The terrestrial planets are "Mars, Earth, Venus and Mercury," the same planets whose orbits are crossed by this asteroid. In Eze. 1:15, one orbital "wheel" is "upon the Earth." In v. 13, there is something else going "up and down among the living creatures" (lively, moving things). It's "fire was bright." This flaming torch represents the asteroid that will probably cross the orbits of these 4 planets.

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Re: length of trib
Is there anything that REQUIRES a 2520 day trib? Is there anything that absolutely PREVENTS the 1260, 1290 and 1335 lengths of time from running concurrently? If they ran concurrently, the rapture could be between now (this Pentecost?) and next spring and everything would still fit. The rapture would likely be right before a 7 year cease fire treaty between Arafat and Israel. Also, contradictory as it sounds, both the pre-tribbers and the mid-tribbers would be right! :-) (think about it......)

My reply

The second 1260-day section, called the Great Tribulation (Mt. 24:21,22; Rev. 7:14), does run concurrently with the 1260 days of Dan. 12:7 and the 1290 and 1335 days of Dan. 12:11,12. Are you thinking that the 1260 days of Rev. 11:3 could be the same 1260 days of Dan. 12:7?

Let's see. The 2520-day Tribulation is the 70th week of Dan. 9:27. It's made up of the 1260-day prophesying of Moses and Elijah (Rev. 11:3) plus the 1260-day Great Tribulation before shortening (Dan. 12:7; Rev. 12:5,14). The Beast (Tribulation Pope) rules the UN and UR during the first 1260 days. Then, as the False Prophet is ready to take over headship over the UN and UR, Satan is cast down into the Earth (Rev. 12:9). He comes up out of the bottomless pit (Rev. 11:7) and goes into the False Prophet, the son of perdition (Rev. 17:8;II Thess. 2:3), who then speaks "as a dragon" (Rev. 13:11). He heads for the temple, sits there "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4), kills Moses and Elijah, probably because they will not bow down to him or the idol he places there. They are resurrected and ascend to Heaven 3.5 days into the 1260-day reign of the False Prophet that is to be shortened (Mt. 24:21,22).

Let's look at Rev. 11. I think that the setting as it opens is the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture. Verse 1 says, "there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (egeiro, lift up; John is caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture, as in Rev. 1:10; 4:1), and MEASURE the temple of God (we are the temple, I Cor. 3:17), and the altar, and them that worship therein."

The Bride group seems to be the ones that can be numbered. The 24 elders (12 patriarchs and 12 apostles of Israel) represent the Bride group in Rev. 4 and 5. Except for the 144,000 "virgins" in Rev. 7:1-5 that belong to the Bride group, the remainder caught up out of the Great Tribulation (7:14) cannot be numbered by man (Rev. 7:9).

Rev. 11:2,3 says, "the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months (the first 1260 days of the Tribulation). And I will (after the Rapture) give power unto my two witnesses (Moses and Elijah), and they shall (after the Rapture) prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

This is the first 1260 days, for "when they shall have FINISHED THEIR TESTIMONY (after 1260 days), the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit (Satan, Mid-Trib, Rev. 12:9; 17:8) shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them" (Rev. 11:7). When Satan comes up out of the bottomless pit, he goes into the False Prophet, the son of perdition (II Thess. 2:3). He is the 7th head of the great red dragon. And "when he cometh, he must CONTINUE A SHORT SPACE (the Great Tribulation that is shortened). The "beast (Satan) that was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man now), even he is the eighth (the tail of the great red dragon), and is of the seven (controlling them), and GOETH INTO PERDITION" (the False Prophet; Rev. 17:11). He pierces like a scorpion and indwells the False Prophet, just as the demons of Rev. 9 pierce like a scorpion and go into unbelievers. Satan is pictured as Scorpio in the gospel in the stars.

The two witnesses do get to finish their testimony, which lasts the full 1260 days. After they are killed, the False Prophet must "continue" during the last 1260-day period that does get shortened. I just don't see how the 70th week of Daniel could only be 1260 days, do you? The shortened days of Mt. 24:21,22 start with the False Prophet putting the "abomination of desolation" in the temple (Mt. 24:15). Dan. 9:27 says, "IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK he (the Satan-possessed False Prophet) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation (kalah, full end, destruction), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate" (or desolator). Desolate is from shamem, to stun, bring into a desolate place. Just maybe this consummation is when the Beast and the False Prophet are "cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone" (Rev. 19:20) and Satan is chained and put in the bottomless pit after Armageddon ends (Rev. 20:1-3). Agape

My reply to Dianne Talsma on 5 Doves site

Re: Dianne Talsma (7 Jan) "Planet X or a twelfth planet called NIBURO?"

If we compare everything with Scripture to see if these things are so, as we are supposed to, we can't accept Sitchin's Twelfth Planet without comparing his writings to the Bible. It didn't take me very long to decide when I started checking him out. I decided that accepting what Sitchin says certain biblical words mean can be detrimental to our understanding of some important but symbolic scriptures that are not easy to understand.

His definition of Tehom Raba as "great Tiamat" in Gen. 1:2 seems wrong. According to Dr. Tabor's note in his translation for the Original Bible Project, "tehom" is the depths of the seas. I just now opened my e-sword program. It has several different Bible versions. One is the KJV with Strong's Concordance numbers. The word "deep" in Gen. 1:2 is Strong's "thowm abyss (as a surging mass of water) especially the deep (the main sea or the subterranean water supply):-deep (place). depth."

Here's how some different versions I have in e-sword translate Gen. 1:2:

(ASV) And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

(Darby) And the earth was waste and empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

(KJV) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

(KJV+) And the earth776 was1961 without form8414, and void922; and darkness2822 was upon the face6440 of the deep8415. And the Spirit7307 of God430 moved7363 upon5921 the face6440 of the waters4325.

(LITV) and the earth being without form and empty, and darkness on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moving gently on the face of the waters,

(NAB) the earth was a formless wasteland, and darkness covered the abyss, while a mighty wind swept over the waters.

(WEB) Now the earth was formless and empty. Darkness was on the surface of the deep. God's Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters.

(Webster) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

(YLT) the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness is on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters,

My Online Bible Program also has Rotherham. It says, "Now, the earth, had become waste and wild, and darkness, was on the face of the roaring deep,óbut, the Spirit of God, was brooding on the face of the waters."

I can't see where Sitchin got "Hammered Bracelet" out of rakiah, the expanse of the heavens, or the expanse of space, either.

Gen. 1:6 (KJV) says, "God said, Let there be a firmament (expanse of space) in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." Strong's says, "7549 raqiya` raw-kee'-ah from 7554; properly, an expanse, i.e. the firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky:--firmament."

Here are different translations of Gen. 1:6:
(ASV) And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

(Darby) And God said, Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it be a division between waters and waters.

(KJV+) "And God430 said559, Let there be a firmament7549 in the midst8432 of the waters4325, and let it divide914 the waters4325 from the waters4325(firmament: Heb. expansion)"

(LITV) And God said, Let an expanse be in the midst of the waters, and let it be dividing between the waters and the waters.

(NAB) Then God said, "Let there be a
dome in the middle of the waters, to separate one body of water from the other." And so it happened:

(WEB, World English Bible) God said, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters."

(Webster) And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

(YLT) And God saith, `Let an expanse be in the midst of the waters, and let it be separating between waters and waters.'

(Rotherham) And God said, Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it be a means of dividing, between waters and waters,

Can you imagine all of these translators being wrong and Sitchin right? I can't.

There are waters above, around Heaven in the form of 7 rings of ice crystals. Heaven has a halo. Zec 3:9 says, "For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua ('Jesus' in the LXX); upon one stone (planet) shall be seven eyes (orbs, i.e., rings): behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts (Christ, Isa. 44:6)."

Sitchin's idea that half of the 5th planet was moved to an empty spot and became Earth does not seem possible. Earth was here from the beginning, and was not created a desolate ruin. Isa 45:18 says, "For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it NOT in vain (tohu, without form, waste), he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else." Thus we see that Gen. 1:2 does mean that the Earth became "without form (tohu, waste) and void" (bohu, desolation). It was not that way to start with. In Hebrew, when the word for to be (hayah) is used, it indicates a change has taken place. When it is not used, the translator is to understand that there is no change and therefore say "was."

Why should we assume that there was an empty spot here when there were no other empty spots in the planetary lineup? I think there was a planet called Rahab that was broken apart and formed our Asteroid Belt, so even that area was not originally an empty space. Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O ARM OF THE LORD (Christ, see Isa. 53:1 below); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon (Satan)?"

Isa 53:1- 5 says, "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is THE ARM OF THE LORD revealed? For he (Yeshua, Jesus) shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."

There were originally ten planets. Eze. 28:13-16 (KJV) says, "Thou (Satan), king of Tyre (meaning the rock; i.e., the terrestrial planet Rahab) hast been in Eden the garden of God (both the heavenly and earthly ones); every precious stone (planet) was thy covering (surroundings), the sardius (1 Mercury), topaz (2 Venus), and the diamond (3 Earth), the beryl (4 Mars), the onyx (5 Rahab), and the jasper (6 Jupiter), the SAPPHIRE (7 Saturn), the emerald (8 Uranus), and the carbuncle (9 Neptune), and gold (10 Pluto): the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth (guards, Gen. 3:24); and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down (on the planet Rahab) in the midst (middle, i.e., on the 5th planet out of the original 10) of the stones of fire (i.e., the planets that have an appearance like burning lamps in the sky). Thou (Satan) wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will (in the future) cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God (out of Saturn Mid-Trib, Rev. 12:9): and I will destroy thee (Satan), O covering (guarding) cherub, from the midst (middle) of the stones of fire" (the planetary lineup).

You may think this interpretation is far-fetched if it is the first time you have seen it explained this way, but it can be understood by examining other scriptures and finding out what the symbols stand for. For instance, Heaven is represented as a sapphire stone in other scriptures. I'm quoting the KJV. Exo 24:10 they saw the God of Israel (the pre-incarnate Christ, Isa. 44:6; God the Father has never been seen by man, John 1:18, see below): and there was under his feet as it were (symbolic language) a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were (symbolic language) the body of heaven (i.e., the heavenly body) in his clearness.

Joh 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." The angel of the LORD in the Old Testament was the pre-incarnate Christ. He is the one that always dealt with mankind. The difference is that under the New Covenant, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" (II Cor. 5:19). Christ is both the first and the last, LORD of the Old Testament and Lord of the New Testament. Christ is both the first (YHVH king of Israel) and the last (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer) (Isa. 44:6).

Lam 4:7 Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire (indicating that they were filled with the Holy Spirit of God from Heaven).

Eze 1:26 "above the FIRMAMENT (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the terrestrial planets) was the likeness (symbolic language) of a throne (Christ's), as (symbolic language) the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone (symbol of the 7th original planet, Saturn): and upon the likeness (symbolic language) of the throne was the likeness (symbolic language) as (symbolic language) the appearance of a man (Jesus Christ) above upon it" (on Saturn).

Eze 10:1 Then I looked, and, behold, in the FIRMAMENT (expanse of space) that was above the head of the cherubims (the 4 terrestrial planets whose orbits form wheels within wheels, Eze. 1 and 10) there appeared over them (i.e., farther out in the planetary lineup) as it were (symbolic language) a SAPPHIRE stone (i.e., Saturn), as (symbolic language) the appearance of the likeness (symbolic language) of a throne (Christ's).

Can you see where we could be led astray if we thought the firmament was a "Hammered Bracelet" (Sitchin) instead of an expanse of space? Prove all things by Scripture. Hang on to the good and throw away the bad. Agape

"New Roman Order - Part II," by Arno Froese, in Midnight Call, July 2001.

Revelation 17...Who is this "Mystery Babylon?...Rome is the only city that qualifies because in her midst is the Vatican, which is a politically recognized entity that simultaneously has membership in the United Nations, yet acts as a purely religious organization. That mixture constitutes political/religious fornication....

Iraq's Babylon Will Not Be Rebuilt

Throughout the years, many Bible students have speculated that Iraq's Babylon will be rebuilt and acts as a "Mystery Babylon" fulfillment. Let's take a look at four reasons why this logically cannot be:
1) The blood of the martyrs of Jesus was never shed in Babylon.
2) The ruins of ancient Babylon located on the Euphrates River in today's Iraq is topographically located on a plain, not on seven hills.
3) While the king's of the earth within the Babylonian world empire did come to Babylon, they never "committed fornication" by mixing religion with politics. I have heard some argue to the contrary. If we allow for that possibility, then we must add that pagan religion does not qualify as a violation against that law because in this case "fornication" speaks of the religion based on salvation. It is the religion of the Old and New Testament which prohibits the union of the political and religious infrastructure.
4) Ancient Babylon was destroyed once and for all. The smoke could never have been seen from the Mediterranean and never will.

To assume that ancient Babylon will be rebuilt overlooks the fact that a city needs history, experience, and above all, a spirit. This spirit of ancient Babylon has been transferred to "Mystery Babylon" and today it is polically manifested through the avenue of democracy; economically, via free trace; and religiously, by means of the ecumenical movement.

My reply

Rev. 17:18 is talking about Vatican City, but Arno Froese thinks Rev. 18 is Rome too. I think it is literal Babylon in Iraq. The world church is to be moved. Zech. 5:5-11 says, "Lift up now thine eyes (i.e., look at the sky), and see what is this that GOETH FORTH (the headquarters of the World Church is being flown to Babylon). And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah (largest measure for wheat [believers], i.e., largest church) that GOETH FORTH. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through ALL THE EARTH (the World Church). And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman ('MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH,' Rev. 17:5) that sitteth in the midst of the ephah (World Church). And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah (World Church); and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women (two religious groups), and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and THEY LIFTED UP THE EPHAH BETWEEN THE EARTH AND THE HEAVEN. Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? And he said unto me, To build it an house IN THE LAND OF SHINAR (Babylon, Dan. 1:1,2; Gen. 11:2): and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base" (where the Tower of Babel stood).

Rev. 17:1-3 also shows that the harlot church moves to the wilderness (eremos, desolate, DESERT), which is Babylon. It says, "Come hither (the Pre-Trib Rapture); I will shew unto thee (i.e., what follows hereafter, Rev. 4:1) the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters (people and nations, Rev. 17:15): With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication (JOINED), and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication (joining Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc., into the World Church). SO HE CARRIED ME AWAY IN THE SPIRIT INTO THE WILDERNESS (eremos, desolate, DESERT): AND I SAW A WOMAN SIT upon a scarlet coloured beast (the great red dragon, Rev. 12:3), full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns."

The harlot World Church will be in the desert. That's why Jesus said, "Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the DESERT (eremos, desolate, desert); go not forth" (Mt. 24:26).

In Rev. 17:16, the ten kings burn Vatican City after the new headquarters is ready. Babylon is burned by an asteroid impact. "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all" (Rev. 18:21).

Isa 13:19-21 says, "Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah (totally wiped out by fire and brimstone). IT SHALL NEVER BE INHABITED, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there. But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there."

This has not yet been fulfilled. Saddam Hussein has rebuilt some things in Babylon, including a pagan temple, museum, and Guest House, and held the 1st annual Festival of Babylon in 1987. The workers live there.

> > 1) The blood of the martyrs of Jesus was never shed in Babylon.

Rev. 17:6 shows that the mother church at Vatican City carries the guilt of shedding the blood of saints. They threatened to kill Martin Luther, but didn't. However, they did kill many others they called heretics. When Vatican City is moved to Babylon, her guilt goes with her. Remember that in Zech. 5:8, wickedness was thrown in the ephah? It says, "This is wickedness. And he cast it (the lead) into the midst of the ephah (World Church); and the cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof."

> > 2) The ruins of ancient Babylon located on the Euphrates River in today's Iraq is topographically located on a plain, not on seven hills.

Rome is the seven-hilled city. Rev. 17 is Vatican City in Rome, but she will be moved.

> > 3) While the king's of the earth within the Babylonian world empire did come to Babylon, they never "committed fornication" by mixing religion with politics.

I think this fornication means joining one religious group with another so that the two become one.

> > 4) Ancient Babylon was destroyed once and for all. The smoke could never have been seen from the Mediterranean and never will.

She has not yet been destroyed so that she will never be inhabited.

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