Pro and Con 86, Uploaded 4-7-98

Incoming Email, Re: Doors and Churches

> Back again. Phew, I am tired just thinking about all your late nights
> and hairy scripture interpretations that you weave your way through.
> In this final countdown, if God has now opened His direct marketing
> line to pre-order prizes for the "perseverance of the saints", I have
> taken the liberty of ordering you the double-size saphire room in the
> New Jerusalem hotel, with room service laid on (feet washing and
> massage a speciality). And best of all, its in a computer free zone!

***Hi from Marilyn: Thanks. There's my enforced rest. I might not know what to do with myself without a computer. How about books? Have I got books to read? I want to know everything, remember? There is a ton of stuff to learn.

> Amongst the many, many helpful things you have put up, the Good
> Samaritan revelation from our South African friends recently was just beautiful.

> OK. Here's 1. an observation and 2. a quickie question that would be very helpful.

> 1. (Observation:) Ye olde Temple "double doors" (again).

> Eze 41:23 "Both the Outer Sanctuary and the Most Holy Place had double
> doors. Each door had two leaves - two hinged leaves for each door."
> [ie. double bi-fold doors].

> You indeed persevered with me on this. But the Spirit has not left me
> in peace for months on understanding those doors properly! As I was
> composing another question to you on this, some nice thoughts finally
> came to me:

> - Double doors may also symbolise the "doubles" typology of events
> through the bible (complementary to the Job verse that you often
> quote.....) Each is a mirror of the other.

> Most Holy Place - The bifolds may each have one leaf folded back to make a NARROW
> opening for those in the first rapture. - The doors may be fully opened for the second
> rapture after the Tribulation saints have been disciplined.

***This sounds right to me.

> Outer Sanctuary vs Most Holy Place doors. - I feel there is a separate prophetic end-time
> meaning for having the same door arrangement in the Outer Sanctuary as the inner sanctuary.
> Any ideas?

***Hmmmm. Jesus said he was the door. He came the first time, cleansed the temple of moneychangers, and the veil before the Holy of Holies was split from the top down when he died. Thus the way into Heaven (which the Holy of Holies represented) was opened.

He didn't want the temple to be a house of merchandise because salvation cannot be bought. Satan got into trouble "By the multitude of thy merchandise" (Ezek. 28:16). The harlot of Babylon traffics in "merchandise...and the souls of men" (Rev. 18:12 13).

Jesus also said he was the bread of life. In the Holy Place was the shewbread, lit., the face bread. Did the believers of that day symbolically enter the Holy Place (Paradise) and the believers of this day will enter the Holy of Holies (New Jerusalem)? I don't know, but the dead in Christ will get their resurrection bodies ahead of us, and we will rise to meet them in the air at the Rapture. Jesus did say that he was going to prepare a place for us. Yet, he took Paradise to Heaven on Resurrection Day. Was New Jerusalem ready at that time? Is Paradise to become part of New Jerusalem at the Rapture? I don't know. I still have questions I am seeking answers to.

The Holy Place was twice the size of the Holy of Holies. Does that indicate the 2000 years from when the wise men (who understood) symbolically anointed Jesus as King and Priest when they gave him gold, frankincense and myrhh? I believe that was in BC 3, when Jesus was 2 years old. BC 3 + 1998 AD - 1 because there was no zero year = 2000 years. That would mean that the Holy of Holies could stand for the 1000-year Kingdom of Christ over Earth.

I am just musing here, speculating, but things often have more than one meaning. God didn't miss a trick in trying to help us understand. It is within the realm of possibility.

The "wise man's heart discerneth both time and judgment" (Eccl. 8:5). The time of man's test seems to be 7000 years. Judgment seems to cover the seven year Tribulation plus Israel's grace years set aside, I think, for the building of the temple. Jesus comes each of four years (1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001), at the Rapture and following, to check for fruit on the Fig Tree (Lu. 13:6-9). These together would cover from 5758 (our 1997/8) to 5768 (our 2007/08) on the Jewish Calendar. This fits Rev. 2:10, "ye shall have tribulation ten days (or years)" and the ten days Rebekah could have waited to go to the bridegroom (Gen. 24:55).

> Well, thats given me a certain amount of peace. But now the Spirit
> seems to want me to do a study of all the doors in my concordance!
> (just as well there appear to be no revolving doors in heaven, or I
> might never finish with the study!...). In any case, we may get to
> see the real doors in heaven shortly.

> 2. (Question:) Your interpretation of the Seven Churches.

> In Christian discussion groups on the web I've come across a number of
> people hung up about the seven churches of Revelation being sequential
> transitions through the last 2000 years. With the last, the
> Laodiceans, supposedly coming into play from the beginning of this
> century. This seems senseless to me (ie. implies there are no
> Philadelphians around today!!!), but seems to have a long following in
> modern church annals. [eg. Arnold Fruchtenbaum, "Footsteps of the
> Messiah; A Study of the Sequence of Prophetic Events", 1982. Quoted in
> "Fast Facts on Bible Prophecy", Ice & Demy. 1997. Not to mention a
> number of Bible Study Guides.]

> I wonder whether you might care to give us the benefit of a few brief
> thoughts on when the seven churches are/were around. Do they all
> co-exist at the time of the first rapture (now)? Or only the
> Laodiceans and Philadelphians? Why?

***Revelation is written as if the Rapture is at hand" (Rev 1:3; 22:10,20). Remnants of all seven church groups are viewed at the time of the Rapture. However, Jesus also looked back, grabbed some of each group's history so we could understand who he was talking about, and in so doing, at the same time, gave us a picture of past church history.

Since many of the early groups have died, it is almost as if, at the end, the living remnants are poured into the last two groups, the Philadelphians and the Laodiceans. They either love the Lord, or they are lukewarm. The ones with love (God is love) in their hearts have the open door set before them. They are chosen as the Bride of Christ. They are "accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." The lukewarm are spewed out of his mouth for chastisement (Rev. 3:16,19).

We are each told to "take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares" (Lu. 21:34).

The day will not come on us unaware if we were watching for the Sign of the End of the Age, the Six-Day War, when Israel grew leaves and fulfilled the Fig-Tree Parable.

However, "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief (just before Armageddon, Rev. 16:15,16), and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." If we do watch, we will know. If we do not watch, we will not know. It is just that simple.

> yours in Christ....see you soon I hope

Incoming Email

We have some people that we love dearly and so far it appears that the greatest testimony will be our disappearance, although I will not ever give up on them as long as my feet are planted on this earth. My husband and I have been discussing this after I read in your book (Exit 2007-pg. 159) You were describing the rebuilding of Babylon into a major commerce center during the tribulation. "She will be built at tremendous cost, probably using funds left in the bank by the saints."

Now, I know that is conjecture, but it turned my stomach. My husband and I are considering leaving directions to a legal document giving our potential left behind friends "general power of attorney" so they could liquidate and use all our left behind assets (loads of witnessing info and end times books including all 3 of yours) to their benefit and hopefully eternal survival. Any advice that you would like to add to this thought or think it through with me, I would appreciate it.

My reply

I think you said it well. I would think of family first, then friends. If all of a list of family are gone, it would fall on the friends by default.

Incoming Email

> Your web site continues to bless. I look for your postings several
> times a day, and my heart leaps each time I find a new Pro/Con. I watch
> with you, and am striving to be found among the Wise when He calls.

***Thank you for the former, and praise the Lord for the latter.

> I had been wondering whether the Ezekial prophecy that it would take
> SEVEN MONTHS to bury the Armageddon dead is in conflict with Jewish
> regulations regarding the Feasts -- since there are no more than SIX
> MONTHS between Feasts on the Hebrew calendar.

> Now I see that Jim Bramlett's April 2 posting on the Five Doves site
> reports that the intercalary month adds the necessary time for a seven
> month interval between Feasts -- allowing Jews to bury the dead without
> being unclean for the Feast. My questions:

> 1) Had the Feast-to-Feast interval been a concern for you in timing
> Armageddon for 2008, given the Jewish cleanliness requirements and
> Ezekial's prediction that seven months would be required to clean up
> after the battle?

***Yes. I made up year by year labels, all connected in a single strip, with several criteria on them for the Second Advent. Among the criteria were a Sunday Nisan 1, Leap Year, a Nisan 1 following a 2300-day period from the Feast of Weeks to the Feast of Trumpets seven Jewish years later, and a Sabbatic Year. Using these criteria, the only possibility for the Second Advent was easily seen to be 5768, Our 2007/2008. Nisan 1 is April 6, 2008.

At the end of 1991, I tore off the rest of my strip because the time had passed, and said on p. 272 of my book, Exit: 2007: The Secret of Secrets Revealed, "Since most of the seven year Tribulation must run its course between the Rapture and the Second Advent, and the Rapture has not happened, he cannot return earlier than 1998.

"The sign of the end of the age appeared in 1967, and that generation will see him coming (1967 + 40 = 2007). For this search, I have added eight extra years for good measure.

"The only years between these dates in which the Jews insert a 13th month are our 2000, 2003, 2005, 2008, 2011 and 2014. Therefore, we have but seven possible years for the Lord's return, and 2008 is among them."

I proceeded to narrow it down using each criterion in turn. In the end, only Nisan 1, 5768 remained.

> 2) Is that year an intercalary year, with an extra month added?

***Yes.

> 3) If it is, is this significant?

***Yes. It, among other things, especially the 2300 days of Dan. 8:14, serves to drop the Lord's scheme of end-time events into its proper slot in out calendar.

> 4) If there is no extra month added that year, how do you reconcile the
> apparent conflict between Ezekial's prophecy and Jewish ritual?

> I pray for your continued discernment, and protection from the Evil One
> during the next couple of months. God is using you, probably more than you can know.

***All I know is I feel like my nose is to the grindstone. How I could get more done than I do is beyond me. I don't have any more time to spend. I hardly get to relax as it is. About the only TV I watch is ice skating. I don't even get enough sleep, but that is nothing new. When I found out that my muscular aches, and probably last December's pneumonia, were because of not getting enough sleep, my husband said, "Well, you're sure not going to catch up now." The reason is that for at least 38 years of intensive Bible study, I have not gotten enough sleep. For many years, I would study till 3:00 AM when I had to get up at 5. Had to study after the family was in bed. I ran to do my work during the day to salvage some time for study before the kids got home from school. For more than a decade, I worked at our Spring Crest Drapery until between 9 and 11 PM, went home and worked till 3:00 AM on my book. I tell you, the Lord helped me, or I could not have stood up under that load, much less been able to think.

Incoming Email

Our answers can not create more questions. The explanation of one portion of the Bible can not contradict others. We must be aware that our understanding is just a shadow of the real image. If my understanding is 60% accurate then I have a good idea of what the shadow represent, but it is only a shadow and not the real thing. I have not read your book, I must confess, but by the overview that I have given to your comments on your web page there is many thing that you have to consider. A great responsibility rest on the shoulder of a child of God on this days and our understanding of today might be different tomorrow. You intention are good and the answer is simple. Perhaps the bits and pieces that I have might give more details to you image. Who is responsible for the Wrath? Who is responsible for the tribulation?

My reply

> Who is responsible for the Wrath?

All who refuse to accept Christ, Israel and all the nations.

> Who is responsible for the tribulation?

The same. However, if Israel would just turn to the Lord now, I don't think the Tribulation would have to happen. Take a look at the Parable of the Barren Fig Tree in Luke 13:6-9.

Incoming Email

I have been memorizing Proverbs chapter 2 and I thought about you. It says, "My son (or daughter) if you will receive my sayings and treasure my commandments within you, make your ear attentive to wisdom, incline your heart to understanding; For if you cry for discernment, lift your voice for understanding; If you seek her as silver, and search for her as for hidden treasures; then you will discern the fear of the Lord, and discover the knowledge of God."

As I meditated on this I thought about your testimony. You have cried out for wisdom. You have made your ear attentive to wisdom. You have inclined your heart to understand. You have given yourself, your life, to searching the scriptures as if there was gold and silver and hidden treasures (which there are!). The Lord has honored his Word and honored you by revealing things found by few others. Interesting that he honors a 69 year old grandma, without seminary (cemetary) or college training. (Can any good thing come from a woman, without an advanced degree much less?) Sounds like God to me. You have been an inspiration to me on how the Lord will honor anyone who will search for Him with their whole heart. He is not a respecter of persons. I truly admire your scholarship. We homeschool our sons and I point out to them that you are a living example of how homeschooling is supposed to work.

Incoming Email

M.J. Are you sure when the Bible was being written, that your name,(BOOK) wasn't accidently left out? "The Book Of Agee, Revealer of End Time Secrets". Maybe the guy that was supposed to include your book had the flu and didn't get it in in time.

Seriously, you have cleared up so many puzzling questions I and so many thousands of others have had. You will probably be responsible for thousands, yea tens of thousands of Christians being ready for the Bridegroom. Only Heaven will tell.

So anyway, if I write your name in my Bible, just before the Book of Revelations, do you think I would be guilty of adding to the Book?

I love you my sister (Note: sister in Christ).

My reply

My goodness! This is my day to hear good things. Not every day runs this way. Thank you so much, but don't seriously equate my writings with Scripture. It is funny though, my husband is Ed Agee. Both names are found in the Bible. They called the altar of witness Ed and "Shammah the son of Agee the Hararite" was one of David's mighty men. So, my name is in the Bible.

(Note: Come to think of it, Marilyn is not far from Miriyam, not that that means anything. My mother wanted to name me Barbara, but ended up with Marilyn. That was sort of like when I wanted to name my son Brian and couldn't. David flew into my brain, and David it was. He was born on April 6, date of both the Crucifixion and Second Advent on our calendar. Strange things happen. My brother was born on May 31.

Incoming Email

I was reading Page 8 of the "'Why I expect the rapture on Pentecost 1998 "from the internet to my wife this morning and she says that " Rev. 4.1" was the Lord speaking to John, and not to us as the first rapture Could you please assist me in explaining this to my wife... Thank you in advance for all your help and wonderful work. Your brother in Christ

My reply

...Revelation was written as if the Rapture was at hand. It is a dramatic production with Jesus as playwrite. He stands at the point of the Rapture and looks both backward and forward to depict events. He cast John in the part to act out the Rapture.

John acted the Rapture out both in the Preview, in chapter one, and where the Rapture actually belongs in sequence, in chapter four before the Tribulation begins in chapter six.

In the Preview in chapter 1, John said he "was in the isle that is called Patmos" (which means mortal). Then he said, "I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day" (Sunday). Immediately, he was in Heaven. He heard Christ's voice like a trumpet, turned and saw all seven churches around Christ and the star performers of those groups still in His hand, having just been snatched up.

After the Preview, Christ had him write messages to the seven churches which were still in Asia (muddy, i.e., still on Earth). In Rev. 1:19, Christ says, "Write the things which thou hast seen (things before the Rapture), and the things which are (at the time of the Rapture, and the things which shall be hereafter (after the Rapture). The things after the Rapture are called "hereafter" in 4:1. Therefore, in this miracle play, John's being caught up is depicting the Rapture.

In each message, Christ is seen as he was seen in the Preview of the Rapture. To Ephesus, he is "he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks." To Smyrna, he is "the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive." To Pergamos, he is "he which hath the sharp sword with two edges." To Thyatira, he is "the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass." To Sardis, he is "he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars." To Philadelphia, he is "he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth." To Laodicea, he is "the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God."

After the messages to the churches, the real Rapture takes place. The same trumpet voice John heard in the Preview says, "Come up hither," and immediately he is in Heaven. The 24 elders (the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles) are there. They are wearing crowns and represent all the saints just as the 24 priests on duty at the temple represented all the priests. They cast their crowns before the throne and sing "a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast (past tense) redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall (future tense) reign on (over) the earth."

The Pre-Trib Rapture catches away people "OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION."

The Tribulation then begins in chapter 6 with the riding forth of the Beast presenting himself as a prince of peace.

Chapter 6 ends with "For the great day of his wrath is come." This is the 2300th day of the Tribulation (Dan. 8:14). The sixth seal is already open (6:12). In 7:14, we see in Heaven a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture. They "came out of great tribulation" and are before the throne of God. After that, God's wrath falls on Earth as the seventh seal breaks releasing the seven trumpet judgments of Rev. 8.

There is a Pre-Trib Rapture and a Pre-Wrath Rapture. Notice that John himself is part of the Pre-Trib Rapture, and not of the Pre-Wrath Rapture. The apostle John is literally one of the 24 elders. He will literally get his crown of gold at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture. Jesus' casting him in this part was perfect. He acted out what will actually happen to him at the Rapture---and to us.

Incoming Email

With all respect for your study. What do you do with the scripture that tells us that man knows not the hour of when the Lord will come for He will come as a theif in the night?

How do you explain that. I believe that the Bible needs to be looked at as an entire book, and we have to believe all or nothing.

Anxious for youre response

My reply

I do believe all the Bible.

Jesus comes as a thief just before Armageddon (Rev. 16:15,16).

II Peter 3:10 says, "But the day of the Lord (the Millennium) will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat..."

I Thess. 5:5 says, "But ye, brethren (believers), are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief."

Rev. 3:3 says, "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief (i.e., at the second Rapture on the first day of the Millennium), and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee" (at the first Rapture).

Turn this around. What will we know if we do watch? It would then say that if therefore thou do watch, I will not come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt KNOW what hour I will come upon thee.

Those that do not watch are in danger of having to wait until the Rapture of the Tribulation Saints, when he comes as a thief. Is that what you want? For me, I would rather be wrong than to be caught not watching.

I have known the dates of most end-time events ever since 1968. Ever since then, I have been trying to disprove them. However, as I keep learning more and more things, everything fits into the same pattern. Search the scriptures for yourself and see if these things are so.

Luke 21:36 says, "WATCH ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

The ones accounted worthy to escape the Tribulation can know when he will come. These are, I think, the Bride of Christ. Those that will go in Rapture II are the rest of the Body of Christ. To go in the first Rapture, the high calling of God, is the prize Paul was running the race to win. I am running this race to win too. Paul did not want to be a "castaway." Neither do I. I want to be a Philadelphian, to whom Jesus had no words of condemnation, before whom Heaven's open door is set. How about you? Are you watching?

Incoming Email

I went to a diff book store this morning and found your book "The end of the Age". Again, a direct hit for many of my unanswered questions about.. giants, wolly-Mammoth (w/buttercups), evolution, asteriods etc....

Questions for you if you have time ??
1) If the first rapture comes 5/31/98 and many are gone .. how will the rest of the earth not know what happened and all seek the glory of God ?? Do you think people will "go" but the world will not be able to tell ??

2) what is the connection between UFO's and demons (or, maybe I do not want to know, but sometimes it helps to know your enemy)

3) Should I stay awake from 5/30/98 on ?? Is there something I should do to "watch" other than make sure I have no un-confessed sins, and try and make my self worthy ??

...With Gods help, I will be the best I can be from now on, regardless of what happens on 5/31/98, I feel like I arrived at this belief not with a outwardly great love of God, but more and intellectual knowledge that the world cannot go on like this and therefore the end must be near, and if the end is near, then Gods word is true. I fear my "acts" thru-out my life, will not make me worthy. I am praying to be "good enough" ...

My reply

> Do you think people will "go" but the world will not be able to tell ??

None is so blind as those that won't see. Even after the fourth vial of wrath is poured out, there are those that will not turn to God. Rev. 16:9 says, "And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory."

However, many will see the Rapture take place, fear and trust in the Lord. Psalm 40:1-3 says, "I WAITED patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit (as Jeremiah was taken up out of a pit), out of the miry clay (our bodies of clay), and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven), and established by goings. And the hath put a new song (sung after the Rapture in Revelation 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."

Note: Jeremiah was taken up by cord (i.e., Christ's righteousness) with rotten rags (i.e., our righteousnesses) wrapped around it.

> what is the connection between UFO's and demons

It is demon activity. The only thing certain about it is that it keeps changing. They are doing everything they can to confuse mankind. They can exercise mind control, so people mixed up in it can't even be sure of what is real and what is illusion. They are up to no good, whatsoever.

> Should I stay awake from 5/30/98 on ??

The Jews stay up all night on Pentecost. However, Jesus said to occupy till he comes. We can see that of two working in the field, one is taken the other left, of two sleeping one is taken the other left. That suggests normal activity is ok. Do whatever you feel led to do.

> Is there something I should do to "watch" other than make sure I have no un-confessed
> sins, and try and make my self worthy ??

Once you are filled with the Holy Spirit, your good deeds will build up lasting treasures for you in Heaven. You can't work for salvation, but you can work for rewards....

> I fear my "acts" thru-out my life, will not make me worthy.

Christians are to live for the future, not the past. Those sins that are confessed and forgiven by God should be forgotten by you too. You can be worthy NOW. The past is gone, wiped off the books. Repent means to change your mind, to think differently. That you have already done. Read I Cor. 9:24-27 and Phil. 3:10-14. See what Paul had to say about running the race. Read II Peter 1:4-11. He tells us how to not fail....

Hoping to see you at or soon after the Rapture.

Incoming Email, Re: El Nino

Thank you Marilyn, I will share that information. I can always count on you for an answer. You must have been up pretty late last night. Thank you for your web page. I've been enjoying it for a year now. If the rapture isn't on May 31, I will wait patiently also. I would never regret reading your books and web page. I have learned at great deal and have really enjoyed myself. I wanted to make sure you knew how much you are appreciated! Much love

Incoming Email

I thought you might be interested in seeing this, which appeared in the latest issue of the Levitt Letter. To my knowledge, I haven't seen anyone mention this before.

"With the Spring Festivals arriving, I noticed that this year is a bit special. The holidays closely follow the same pattern that they did in our Lord's final year. Passover, Unleavened Bread, and First Fruits occur on the same weekend along with what we have come to call Easter and that positioning also affects the Jewish and Christian Pentecost. Obviously this pattern repeats itself every so often, but we should be conscious of the significance of these holy days.

I kind it intriguing that we have the same pattern this year. It seems to fit with so many other things. I am starting to believe more and more that my wedding this June will never come! But, its a trade I'll gladly make. Keep up the good work. In Yeshua

My reply

Yes, I pulled out my 1998 (5758/5759) calendar. I have it marked up with a notation in green that Nisan 13 is on Thursday as in 30 AD. I circled Sun. for Nisan 16 and have a rectangle around Pentecost Sunday. It is a significant lineup. There is no doubt about when Pentecost should be.

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