Pro and Con 862

Posted 1-27-02

The Pope, flanked by rabbis and imams, Buddhists and Sikhs, ministers and cardinals, presided over an unprecedented "pilgrimage of peace" to Assisi yesterday, in which 200 world religious leaders undertook to oppose the use of violence in God's name.
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/

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Re: Rapture likely between Mid-East War and summer?
In Luke 21:29-31, Jesus was talking to believers. He "spake to them a parable; Behold the FIG TREE (Israel, Joel 1:6,7), and all the TREES (other nations); WHEN THEY NOW SHOOT FORTH (proballo, push to the front, i.e., war with each other; AS THEY ARE ABOUT TO DO NOW; ('Washington Decides on Direct Action Against Arafat': http://www.debka.com/), ye see and know of your own selves that summer (June 21) is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God (i.e., the 1st Rapture) is nigh at hand." The Rapture this coming spring would fit.

Tu B Shevat (1-28-2002, is considered the Jewish New Year of TREES. Will we cross a boundary Monday?

Luk 13:6-9 says, "He spake also this parable; A certain man had a FIG TREE (Israel) planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that (after the 480th year in the Modern Parallels,1998 + 4 =2002) thou shalt CUT IT DOWN." That sounds like war against the fig tree nation, Israel. Agape

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Re: Feb 24 WAR in ISRAEL?
I am going to send this to my list! I am EXCITED! I will source your website.

There is HISTORY here! February 22, 2001 war very nearly exploded in MidEast!

NEAR all out WAR
http://PrinFla.tripod.com/is2.html
2-23-0101 - DEBKAfile - Very few people knew how close the Middle East came to exploding in a regional war. At 6am Israel placed its forces on high missile readiness after being alerted by US intelligence to movements by 6 Iraqi armored divisions deployed close to frontier with Syria. American satellites additionally picked up Iraqi preparations for launching long-range surface missiles.

Marilyn Agee - mjagee@pe.net
http://www.geocities.com/mj_agee/procon861.html

"Paul Harvey today said people are wondering why there is not an all-out attack on Israel, since everything seems in place to destroy it. THE ANSWER is in the KORAN, SURAH 9:1-5. "AFTER the SACRED MONTHS ARE OVER, THEN SLAY the IDOLATERS (THE JEWS, ETC.) WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM." The sacred months began with Ramadan and will end Feb 23, the last day of the Hajj. Arafites outnumber Jews 2000 to one! The Bible says that the Jews win even so! It just won't look like it on Feb 24th."

READ THIS PAGE! JESUS may well come THIS YEAR! One young boy believes He will!
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My reply

We are the salt of the Earth. Salt retards the growth of yeast in breadmaking. Our presence on Earth retards the growth of evil, because of the Holy Spirit in us. Once we are gone, evil will mushroom, and the Beast and False Prophet will confirm (strengthen) the 7-year covenant of Dan. 9:27. Last year wasn't the right timing. That's why things simmered down. This year could be a far different story. An explosive Mid-East War could be near. We must watch. That arms shipment on the Karine A could have been the thing that will change the course of human events this year. It turned the US against Arafat. The moderate Arab nations are quiet, not rushing to his defense, either.

Karine A reminds me of the constellation CARINA, the keel of the ship ARGO (which means the company of travelers and has a representation of Christ's face above the waterline and a lion's head above on the prow). It stands for Christ as Noah's Ark did. We will be the travelers in Christ at the Rapture. Keep watching. This sailboat is backing into the dock with it's sails reefed. This is an exciting time to live in. We seem to be on the dock waiting for the ship to load and set sail. I'm excited too. Agape

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Re: Mid-East war, sign of the 1st Rapture in Luke 21:30
To: Sherry: SLVance235@aol.co
> > Pharisees just asked him how the kingdom of God would come)??? Verse 24 tells it > For as the lightning....as the lightning....He will come as the lightning cometh and shines from one end of heaven to the other!
> > WHEN is this to be? At the Second Advent - at the end of the Trib!

I don't think so. Luke 17:22-27 refers mainly to the 1st Rapture, but does reveal that there are 2 Raptures. It says, "he said unto the disciples (mathetes, learners, pupils, i.e., those that study their Bibles), The days will come, when ye shall desire to see ONE (the 1st of 2, the Pre-Trib Rapture), of the DAYS (plural, there are 2 Raptures) OF THE SON OF MAN, and ye shall not see it (the 1st Rapture). And they shall say to you (in the Tribulation), See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in HIS DAY (the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord, 7 months before the Second Advent, Eze. 39:12,13). But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the DAYS (the 2 Raptures) OF THE SON OF MAN. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all."

Mt. 24:40,41 adds, "Then shall two be in the field; the ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER LEFT. Two women (virgins, symbol of 2 religious groups) shall be grinding at the mill; the one (wise Philadelphian virgins, Mt. 25:1f; Rev. 3:8) shall be taken, and the other (foolish Laodicean virgins, Rev. 3:16) left." No fire fell. Only rain fell in Noah's day.

Luke 17:28-35 tells us of the 2nd Rapture, the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the one that happens just before the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 impact Earth in fireballs. It says, "Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom IT RAINED FIRE AND BRIMSTONE FROM HEAVEN, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed (the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky, Rev. 6:14f). In that day (the 2nd Day of the Son of Man), he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. TWO WOMEN (the foolish virgins and the harlot church) shall be grinding (working) together (in the world church); the one (the foolish virgins) shall be taken (in the Pre-Wrath Rapture), and the other (the harlot church) left."

> > Now just tell me how anyone thinks He is referring to the Rapture? Or how it supposedly shows in verses 34-36 that someone will be left behind in the rapture? It just isn't there, dear! The reason you think it is there is because you want to make the whole Bible line up to be written exclusively to Believers - and it is NOT!

In 1Co 10:11,12, THE BIBLE SAYS, "Now all these things happened unto them (Israel) for ensamples: and THEY ARE WRITTEN FOR OUR ADMONITON, UPON WHOM THE ENDS OF THE WORLD (AIONOS, AGES) ARE COME. WHEREFORE LET HIM THAT THINKETH HE STANDETH TAKE HEED LEST HE FALL."

In Luke 21:29-31, Jesus was talking to believers. He "spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:6,7), and all the trees (other nations); When they now shoot forth (proballo, push to the front, i.e., war with each other; AS THEY ARE ABOUT TO DO NOW; 'Washington Decides on Direct Action Against Arafat': http://www.debka.com/), ye see and know of your own selves that summer (June 21) is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God (i.e., the 1st Rapture) is nigh at hand." The Rapture this coming spring would fit.

In Luke 21:34-36, Jesus said to believers, "take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so THAT DAY (day of the Pre-Trib Rapture) come upon you unawares. For as a snare (trap) shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye (believers) therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, THAT YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE (i.e., be caught up at the Pre-Trib Rapture) all these things (the coming Tribulation) that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man" (after the Pre-Trib Rapture, as in Rev. 5:9).

> > Verse 37, "And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord?" (where are they taken?) "And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together." Since this is at the Second Advent

Rather than the Second Advent, this is the 2nd Day of the Son of God (Rapture 2). It is 7 months before the 2nd Advent (Eze. 39:12,13). Those taken are the Tribulation saints. Where are they taken? To Heaven, where the rest of the Body of Christ is. The eagles are the Tribulation saints that are to be gathered. Isa 40:31 says, "they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings AS EAGLES; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."

Mark 13:27 says, "then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (THE RAPTURE OF THE TRIBULATION SAINTS) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN" (THOSE THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY TAKEN TO HEAVEN AT THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE).

Where are these two groups taken? Heb. 12:21-24 says, "ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, and to an innumerable company of angels, TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant."

This is the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord. It is Christ's Coronation Day, the day of the Marriage of the Lamb, the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ. All the saints will be in Heaven receiving their rewards while the unbelievers on Earth receive the 7 trumpet judgments (Rev. 11:18).

> > might it be that the ones who are "left" (in bed, at the mill, or in the field) are ok, and it is the ones who are "taken" who are doomed

No. In Rev. 14:14-16, the Son of Man upon a white cloud reaps the last group of the saints when he has on his head his "golden crown." The people left behind are doomed, reaped and cast into the "great wine-press of the wrath of God (14:17-20).

> > BREAKING NEWS! BUSH ADMINISTRATION DECIDES ON PUNISHMENT FOR ARAFAT
> > The White House is holding back until next week the punitive actions against Yasser Arafat decided on at a top-level presidential forum convened by President George W. Bush yesterday, DEBKAfile's Washington sources report....
> > According to DEBKA, on Wednesday, Bush sent out diplomatic notes to Jordanian King Abdullah, Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak containing the intelligence findings from the Karine-A arms boat Israel intercepted on the Red Sea on Jan. 3. They included proof of Arafat's operational, intelligence and terrorist links with the Iranian leadership, as well as evidence of his Tehran-assisted attempts to subvert both the Egyptian and Jordanian regimes. Also covered are Arafat's plans for additional terror blows of unprecedented proportion on Israeli locations in the next few days. This will be the moment chosen by the Bush administration to implement the decisions reached yesterday all at once, instead of piecemeal as first planned....
> > The U.S. presidential forum's decisions, DEBKA reports, include severance of relations with Arafat or the Palestinian Authority, shutting down the PLO's office in Washington and adding Arafat's Fatah, its militant arms the Tanzim and Aqsa Brigades and his presidential guard, Force 17, to the State Department's list of terror organizations. Washington has also ended the Zinni cease-fire mediation mission. ...

Yes. War seems close, and therefore the Pre-Trib Rapture seems close. Things are coming to a head. It is high time we make sure we win the PRIZE of the Pre-Trib Rapture. Not all believers will win the prize. The Philadelphians wear the crowns (Rev. 3:11). The Laodiceans do not.
Mat 5:13 Ye (believers) are the SALT OF THE EARTH: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but TO BE CAST OUT, and to be trodden under foot of men." Don't be a castaway.

I Cor. 9:24-27 teaches believers to run the race, to strive for the mastery to gain an incorruptible crown. Paul said, Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but ONE RECEIVETH THE PRIZE (the Pre-Trib Rapture)? SO RUN, THAT YE MAY OBTAIN. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we AN INCORRUPTIBLE (CROWN). I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a CASTAWAY."

> > I will just say this about Luke 17. Again, what is the context of the passage? Who is Jesus speaking TO first of all? Don't look at it from only YOUR point of view in the here and now -"look at me, I'm a Christian and all the Bible is written TO me"...no, first of all you must look back across time, to history, to the time Jesus was saying this. You do this first to establish doctrine

Since I live in the ends of the ages, the Bible is written for my admonition (I Cor. 10:11). I don't aim to be a castaway. I understand what Isa 28:13 means. It says, "the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; HERE A LITTLE, AND THERE A LITTLE; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken." Only the wise will understand (Dan. 12)10). Having to search here and there for all the clues keeps the wicked from understanding. I don't want to stumble over that stone.

Prov. 2:2-5 says, "incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and SEARCHEST FOR HER AS FOR HID TREASURES; THEN SHALT THOU UNDERSTAND THE FEAR OF THE LORD, AND FIND THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD." Agape

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Thanks so much for buying Norton Antivirus 2002 for me. My free 30-day trial version had run out. I installed the new one Wednesday right after it came. That night, it went online and got the newest data. Today, Friday, 2 viruses came in, W32Badtrans@mm.enc and W32BadtransB@mm.enc. Norton notified me that 2 viruses had come in, NAV6114.TMP and Unknown04d5.data, and wanted to quarantine them. I Oked that. It said 1 quarantined, 1 unable to quarantine, did I want to automatically Delete. I Oked that. Then it turned out that neither could be quarantined or deleted, although it tried.

I am so thankful that earlier, I had worked out a way to delete them safely myself without clicking on them to select them. W32.BADTRANS.B@mm.enc is the one that drops a file as soon as you click on it to select it. So, I knew I couldn't click on it to select and delete it.

This time, I knew I could delete the e-mail that came in before they did. Nothing came in after they did, so I went online and mailed a web page to myself. After getting my new mail and getting offline, I selected the e-mail preceeding the 2 viruses, Shift clicked the e-mail following them, and clicked Delete. I then emptied the Delete folder and compacted all folders twice to erase all traces of where the viruses had been. Then I had Norton scan my computer. It found no viruses. My way works.

I was surprised that these two viruses did not have the attachment symbol. They are the first ones I have gotten without the telltale attachment symbol. Now I can't count on that to alert me.

One did have Re: for a subject, so that would have alerted me. I have been deleting all e-mails that come in with no subject but Re:. Thank you Lord that I had Norton, that it identified these two virus files, and that I didn't select either one by clicking on it. Agape ---
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/headlines.asp
January 24, 2002 - ...White House spokesman Ari Fleischer confirmed that the Palestinian Authority had paid for the arms. This, he said, "has immensely complicated the prospects for getting a return to the peace in the Middle East."...

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Re: Just a thought
The article I had previously brought to your attention was not about a rogue planet, but a brown, dwarf....a non nuclear star. The theory that upon approaching earth, it would look like a flaming red cross....would indeed have people on the earth morning...as described in Matthew 24;30.

I meant no offense....I thought it interesting how such an phenomenon would match the description of events in Matthew. Agape

My reply

I didn't mean any offense, either. I'm sorry if I got the article you sent mixed up with some others bouncing around the Internet now. Some of them appear to be a takeoff on Sitchin's Twelfth Planet....

The Bible is here a little and there a little, but I should let Isaiah explain. Isa 28:13 says, "the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken." Not all details of one thing are in the same place. We can understand better if we compare all like accounts.

Rev. 6:12-17 helps us understand Mt. 24:30's Sign of the Son of Man. It says, "when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from THE FACE OF HIM THAT SITTETH ON THE THRONE, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Mark 13:26 says, "then shall they SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS with great power and glory." Luke 21:27 is similar. It says, "then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory." This seems to be 7 months before the Second Advent (Eze. 39:12,13).

Isa. 34:4,8-10 speaks about the heavens (atmospheric) being rolled back, but Christ is not mentioned. It says, "all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and THE HEAVENS SHALL BE ROLLED TOGETHER AS A SCROLL: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree....For IT IS THE DAY OF THE LORD'S VENGEANCE, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever."

We can compare these with Mt. 24:29-31. It is the Day of God's Wrath, but just before the 7 trumpet judgments hit Earth, the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Tribulation saints takes place. "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And THEN SHALL APPEAR THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN IN HEAVEN: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other." These are the saints that were caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture.

Mark 13:27 completes this picture. It says, "then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN." All saints are called at this time to the general assembly in Heaven (Heb. 12:23). Rewards will be given to the saints in Heaven at the same time God's Wrath is poured out on unbelievers left on the Earth (Rev. 11:18). Agape

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Re: The 12th Planet Headed our Way?
Heads up.... if this happens life as we know it will change forever!!!

Is there a 12th Planet headed our way?
http://www.prismnet.com/~lenb/nibiru/planetX.htm

My reply

> > It is forecasted by some that the 12th Planet will pass closest between the Earth and the Sun in late Spring or early Summer of 2003, probably May or June. At that time, the earth, being completely overwhelmed by the gravitational influence of the 12th Planet, may stop rotating completely for 3 days or so. There are numerous historical references to 3 days of darkness (non-rotation) cited in the Bible, Hopi Legends, Mayan Epics, etc. and well referenced by Sitchin in the books of his Earth Chronicals.

I don't believe any of this. Satan has always tried to counterfeit the truth and add his own little twists to confuse mankind. It happened in ancient days and it happens now. References to the Bible show up, but they are skewed. That's Satan's way.

Where are the "numerous historical references to 3 days of darkness (non-rotation) cited in the Bible"? Ex. 10:22 says, "Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness IN ALL THE LAND OF EGYPT three days." The globe did not stop rotating, and the darkness was ONLY IN EGYPT, not worldwide. Verse 23 says, "but all the children of Israel had light in their dwellings." So did the rest of the world. And this is the only time "Egypt three days" is found.

I think the Creator knows how many planets there were to begin with. Eze. 28:13-19 shows us that Satan's planet was in "the midst of the stones of fire" too. Addressing Satan as king of the rock (the meaning of Tyrus), it says, "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone (i.e., planet) was thy covering (surroundings), the sardius (1 Mercury), topaz (2 Venus), and the diamond (3 Earth), the beryl (4 Mars), the onyx (5 Rahab, Satan's planet that was split apart forming the Asteroid Belt), and the jasper (6 Jupiter), the sapphire (7 Saturn), the emerald (8 Uranus), and the carbuncle (9 Neptune), and gold" (10 Pluto). There were originally 10 planets--9 now, not 12.

Verse 16 says, "I will cast thee (Satan) as profane out of the mountain of God (Saturn): and I will destroy thee, O covering (guarding, Gen. 3:24) cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire" (from Rahab and from the asteroid Wormwood). Verse 17 says, "I will cast thee to the ground." The asteroid Wormwood will impact Earth and destroy Babylon. Wormwood is the "great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp" (Rev. 8:10) that wipes out Babylon in Iraq (Rev. 18:21).

> > may stop rotating completely for 3 days or so.

I don't think that is possible. In Gen 8:22, the Lord said, "While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and DAY AND NIGHT SHALL NOT CEASE." In the past, there was Joshua's Long Day. It was about one day, not three. In the future, there will be Joshua's (Yeshua's) Long Day. Jesus from the Hebrew is Joshua.

> > Electrical/magnetic storms of an intensity which only occurs during a close passage of the 12th Planet reacts with carbon materials thrown into the atmosphere by volcanic action. This produces a type of sticky carbohydrate substance in the atmosphere (Z). In some areas, this substance precipitates to the ground and is available as food if collected in the early, pre-dawn hours. When the substance falls on water, it appears whittish in color. Called Ambrosia in ancient texts (Greek), or Manna, this carbohydrate material is the biblical reference to milk and honey ("Unto a land flowing with milk and honey". Exodus 33:3)

See how they take angel's food and twist it into "milk and honey"? That is ridiculous. Exo 16:31 says, "the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna: and it was LIKE CORIANDER SEED, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey." Psa 78:24 says, "rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the CORN OF HEAVEN." Neh 9:15 says, he "gavest them BREAD FROM HEAVEN for their hunger." Bread from heaven like coriander seed is not milk and honey.

> > Two things are certain, they told him: 1) Planet X exists. 2) It is coming between May 15 and May 30 of 2003. The rest is speculation.

I don't believe either statement. I think it is all speculation. An asteroid called Wormwood will impact Earth on the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord (Joel 1:15; 2:1-3). My guess for the date is Sept. 13, 2007. After the Pre-Trib Rapture, there will be the 1260-day prophesying of Moses and Elijah (Rev. 11:3). Following that, there will be the shortened Great Tribulation. The year 2003 does not fit. Agape

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