Pro and Con 867

Posted 2-10-02

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I know you keep posted on the advancement of how near we are to war in Mid East. WorldWatchDaily is a website I got from Prophecy Central. It has a great format of daily news listings. Anyway,the nearness of an attack on iraq,AND there being backed up by Russia,AND the strikes within U.S.,all seem to be very near.One news article claimed this May we would go after Iraq! That sounds like the HOOK in Gogs jaw,doesn't it? I read where Russia will lose face to the rest of the Arab world if they don't stand behind their pact signed with Iraq to protect them.

What I am refering to is that this looks like it will occur after the latter rains.I read on the Jerry Golden report that Isreal is in financial trouble.Tourist trade has dwindled. Businesses are closing,people have used up thier unemployment and savings,fuel is running low. How long can those Poor Isrealites hang on with a downwardly spiraling economy? It seems to me that if God,(sorry,I don't mean'if')it will have to be terribly soon.

I love your responses, I am now unemployed myself,and getting scared.Things are never quite so scary until you lose your income.Jesus will see us all through.I just don't ever want to live 'on the streets 'like I once had to because of a divorce that resulted with me walking endlessly,in a wander about type manner, Oh,sorry,got on a rabbit trail. Love to you and Ed, Praying to be HOME

Oh,one thing, you figure the gog and magog war to be 'after' the rapture,am I correct? And I believe the I read that you figure the war to be on the feast of trumpets. So to my estimation that would put rapture between THIS spring and this feast of trumpets,after this summer, if all the info is correct and falling into necessary time slots. I always tell people,there is no need for a rapture AFTER the bombs fall!!! Yet some say We will be going up the same time that the bombs are coming down.Regardless,post-war rapture seems to take away from the meaning of the word,and also destroys the need for many other scriptures,'hearts failing for fear',in fact the need for prophecy before the trib occurs would be unnecessary at all!

...Praying to see you soon,and bring as many with us as will answer the Lords call!!! AGAPE

My reply

Thanks for your kind words....

Many people think that the Gog and Magog war will take place at the beginning of the 70th week of Dan. 9:27, also known as the Tribulation (De. 4:30) and the 5th cycle of discipline (Lev. 26:27). I don't see any way that could be possible.

The Tribulation begins with the Beast riding forth on a white horse as a prince of peace (Rev. 6:2). War does not break out until about the next year, when he rides the red horse (Rev. 6:4). Eze. 38:18-20 shows that the Great Tribulation ends on the Day of God's Wrath. That is the Day of Destruction when every wall will fall and the cities of the nations will fall. It is when Babylon, Iraq, is destroyed for good and Egypt is hurt so badly that no one will live there for the next 40 years. Eze 29:12 says, I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries."

No Beast or False Prophet will be ruling after that. When those two asteroid pieces impact Earth, civilization as we know it will be destroyed. We are not part of that, and God's two witnesses, Moses and Elijah couldn't be here prophesying after that either.

Let's compare some scripture passages. Eze. 38:18-23 says, "it shall come to pass at the SAME TIME WHEN GOG SHALL COME AGAINST THE LAND OF ISRAEL, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in THAT DAY (often mentioned with reference to the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord) there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the FISHES OF THE SEA (THE MEDITERRANEAN SEA), and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and ALL THE MEN THAT ARE UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, SHALL SHAKE (the worldwide earthquake) at my presence (paniym, face, i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14f), and the mountains (two asteroids, Rev. 8:8,10) shall be thrown down (they will impact Earth, one in the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5), and the steep places shall fall, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL (i.e., all buildings will fall). And I will call for a sword (the Sword of the LORD, Jer. 12:12) against him throughout all my mountains...And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain (showers, i.e., water from the Mediterranean Sea), and great hailstones (stones weighing about 100 lbs), FIRE, AND BRIMSTONE. Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the EYES of many nations (they will see the Sign of the Son of Man when the smoke rolls away like a scroll), and they shall know that I am the LORD."

Rev. 16:18-21 says, "there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And THE GREAT CITY (JERUSALEM) WAS DIVIDED INTO THREE PARTS, AND THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL: AND GREAT BABYLON came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of HIS WRATH. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent (about 100 lbs.): and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great."

Zec 14:1-3 says, "Behold, the DAY OF THE LORD COMETH, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I WILL GATHER ALL NATIONS AGAINST JERUSALEM TO BATTLE; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then SHALL THE LORD GO FORTH, AND FIGHT AGAINST THOSE NATIONS, as when he fought in the day of battle."

A type is Joshua's Long Day. Jesus is Joshua from the Hebrew. This will be Jesus' Long Day, for the Earth will be turned upside down (Isa 24:1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down).

Jos 10:11-13 says, "it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that THE LORD CAST DOWN GREAT STONES FROM HEAVEN UPON THEM unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword. Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies."

Another type is in Jdg 7:20. It says, "And the three companies blew the TRUMPETS (stands for the 7 trumpet judgments), and brake the pitchers, and held the lamps in their left hands, and the trumpets in their right hands to blow withal: and they cried, The SWORD OF THE LORD, and of Gideon."

> > What I am refering to is that this looks like it will occur after the latter rains.

As you know, I think it will come on the Feast of Trumpets, the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation. That is the beginning of the former rain, Tishri 1. Christ is seen on his throne in the sky that day. It's the Sign of the Son of Man. The Pre-Wrath Rapture also takes place on that day.

In Hebrew and in Greek, the words for the former and latter rain mean the sprinkling rain (former) and the gathered rain (latter). The former rain is on Tishri 1. I think it is the day the Sign of the Son of Man is seen (also Jesus' birthday) and the day the seven trumpet judgments hit Earth. The latter rain starts on the following Nisan 1. I think it will be the Second Advent.

Hos. 6:3 says, "THE LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and HE SHALL COME UNTO US AS THE RAIN, AS THE LATTER (Second Advent) AND FORMER RAIN (First Advent) UNTO THE EARTH."

Eze. 17 sets the day of Christ's second coming, "the first month, in the first day of the month. Then verse 21 says, "In that day (Nisan 1, Eze. 45:18,21) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the Logos, the Word) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."

Mal. 2:3 shows us that the Day of Destruction is on a Feast day. It says, "Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of YOUR SOLEMN FEASTS; AND ONE (the Feast of Trumpets) SHALL TAKE YOU AWAY WITH IT."

Joel 2:1-3 shows that the Day of God's Wrath is the day of the "trumpet," "alarm" and "thick darkness." The darkness is caused by smoke, etc., from the asteroid impacts (Rev. 8:8,10).

(Re: unemployment)I'm so sorry you have to go through this. Keep your faith and hope strong and keep walkin'. Even though you don't know how it will work out, the Lord knows. Go through doors he opens and don't force doors to open that he closes. He expects us to hang in there and walk the Christian walk--one step at a time. Our not knowing the end from the beginning causes us to rely on Him, and that's what he wants us to do anyway.

> > there is no need for a rapture AFTER the bombs fall!!! Yet some say We will be going up the same time that the bombs are coming down.

There are two Raptures. The first one is before the Tribulation begins. The second one is before the Wrath of God falls on Earth. "For GOD HATH NOT APPOINTED US TO WRATH, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" 1Th 5:9). The 2nd Rapture and the Day of Destruction are 7 months before the Second Advent (Eze. 39:12,13).

The Philadelphian wise virgins are in the first Rapture. We see them in Heaven in Rev. 5:9, before the first seal is broken. Jesus has no condemnation for them. In Rev. 3:9-11, Jesus says to them, "I have loved thee. Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from (ek, OUT OF, the point whence action proceeds from) the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown." The word "ek" is translated "out of" in Rev. 5:9.

Rev. 5:9,10 says, "they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF (ek) every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, over) the earth."

These saints get crowns and sing the NEW SONG. They are in Heaven before the first seal is broken in Rev. 6. When speaking of the great multitude of saints in Heaven between the breaking of the sixth (Rev. 6:12) and seventh seals (Rev. 8:1f), they do not sing the new song. Only the 144,000 Israelites are added to the Bride group at the second Rapture.

Rev. 14:1-5 says, "I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS (wise virgins). These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are WITHOUT FAULT before the throne of God."

The Laodiceans will be spued out of his mouth and left behind. The Lord found fault with them. They evidently have not realized that they should confess all sins committed after accepting Christ, so God can cleanse them from all unrighteousness (I John 1:9). In John 13:10, Jesus told Peter, "He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all" (meaning Judas then, but can apply to some today also). The ones that spiritually have dirty feet at the time of the first Rapture seem to share their fate with the lukewarm Laodiceans.

The Laodiceans learn that lesson the hard way, but they do learn. Rev. 7:14-17 says, "THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, AND HAVE WASHED THEIR ROBES, AND MADE THEM WHITE IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all TEARS from their eyes."

They have a right to cry. They barely make it out of here before the asteroids impact Earth. Small rocks are already falling (Rev. 6:13). Those are the days when men's hearts will be failing them for fear. There are no crowns mentioned. Neither is being made kings. These things seem to be some of what they forfeit by having to learn their lessons the hard way.

I don't think we have to worry about dodging bombs at the Pre-Trib Rapture. It is as the days of Noah. No rain fell. The second Rapture is different. It is as the days of Lot. Luke 17:29 says, "the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all."

There are three possibilities for the Rapture this spring. April 14 is Iyar 2, when Solomon started to build the temple. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit. The next possibility is Ascension Day, when Jesus went up to the clouds in their sight. It falls on May 7 or 8 (Iyar 25 or 26), according to how one counts the omer. The other possibility is Pentecost, May 17 and 18 (Sivan 6 and 7).

If Song of Solomon 2:10-14 is talking about the Rapture, and it sure seems to, May seems most likely. Grapes come on in late May or early June. The turtledoves come to Israel in April and migrate to Africa in October, so just from that aspect, all three dates would fit. We need to stay ready and do what Jesus told us to do, watch. World events are fulfilling prophecy right before our eyes. What an exciting time to live. Blessings and agape

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From: Rich Pope (BBT56@rockwood.k12.mo.us) Re: Hey
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Let me first address Isaiah 53. As a former Christian, I used to believe it referred to Jesus as the suffering servant. Once I learned Hebrew however, I discovered that Christian translations (the ones you use) mistranslate the Hebrew and thus their understanding of Isaiah 53 is slanted.

So, I am providing you with an analysis of Isaiah 53 through the Hebrew language. Mine is an argument in translation, not an arguement of interpretation. Once properly translated you will see how Isaiah can't refer to Jesus at all.

I'll comment on the other parts of your email soon.

THE SERVANT VERSUS JESUS

There is no way that Jesus of Nazareth could have been the servant of YHVH described in Isaiah 53! First of all, according to Christian mythology, Jesus was God Himself, come in the flesh! Timothy 3:16 tells us that 'GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH (of Jesus)'!! Colossians 2:9 tells us that 'in him (Jesus) dwelleth ALL of the GODHEAD, BODILY!' John 14:9 tells us, 'he that has seen ME (Jesus) has SEEN THE FATHER!' etc. Since Jesus was GOD 'disguised' as a man, he could not be the Servant of God! At best, he would be playing the part of a 'servant'. It is no big deal for 'God" to 'suffer', since he knows all along that he is 'God', (a very consoling thought!), unless he temporarily 'forgot' he was 'God', (which is unlikely, for a person like 'God'!).

Secondly, the servant of YHVH is to LIVE, and have children! Verse 10 of Isaiah 53 reads, in the Hebrew: "If his soul offers itself as a sin-offering, he (the Servant) shall see seed (children! progeny!) and have a long life! (YIREH ZERA, YAARIKH YAMIM)." Hardly a fitting description of a man who died childless in his thirty third year!!

Moreover, the Servant is a THEY, not a HE!! Again, translating from the Hebrew, we read in verse 8: 'for the transgression of my people were THEY stricken! (NEGA LAMO - third person plural!).

But, wait a minute! WHO is being quoted in Isaiah 53? The Prophet? The people of Israel? The confusion is caused by the artificial chapter division. The story of the Servant begins in chapter 52, verse 13: 'behold, my servant shall prosper! (Jesus was forsaken, Matthew 27:46) ... so shall he surprise MANY NATIONS! (GENTILES!) Kings shall shut their mouths (in astonishment) because of him! For that which they have not heard SHALL THEY (THE GENTILE RULERS) PERCEIVE!

It is the rulers of the NATIONS who exclaim in astonishment: 'who would have believed what we report? The despised rejected servant suffered AS A RESULT OF OUR SINS, and nevertheless, he healed us with his truth. We thought that he was smitten of God, whereas, in truth, he was crushed by our iniquities which we gentiles perpetrated against him!' Now, we know that Christianity was spread throughout the nations of Europe by myriads of saints, apostles and preachers, so the surprise element doesn't exist if the gentile rulers here quoted were referring to Jesus; but what a surprise it will be to them when they perceive on THEIR OWN, that the Servant of YHVH is despised, afflicted ISRAEL who has for centuries borne of the nations' sins! The Pharaohs, Hamans, Hitlers sinned, and Israel suffered.

But, not ALL ISRAEL were righteous servants. Many were sinners! THE SERVANT, THE IDEAL ISRAEL is a class within Israel! The Prophets, the saints, the sages, like Moses - Jeremiah - Isaiah - Elijah - Akiva, etc. - the holy ones who perished in the inquisitions, crusades, pogroms, the holocaust - these are the COLLECTIVE SERVANT, the light into the nations, FAITHFUL ISRAEL who has borne witness to YHVH by deeds, sacrifice and tenacious faith! (This collective servant is further described in the 65th chapter of Isaiah.)

IF SO ... why did Jesus die? If he wasn't the righteous servant of YHVH, (and he WASN'T), why did he die such a terrible death?? The answer to this question is unequivocally provided in the Hebrew Scriptures.

"Thus shall you say to them: the gods that have NOT made the heavens and the earth, THESE shall perish from the earth, and from under the heavens!!" (Jeremiah 10:11) Rich

My reply

You have sent me 5 e-mails since I answered yours, and I don't think you have answered the 1st question yet. You are beating around the bush. Yet your last e-mail says, "Also...do me a favor...if you are going to post your questions to me on your pro-con site, please pay me the courtesy of posting my answers. Otherwise it looks like I never answered you and that only serves to make it appear that I didn't have an answer for you when I actually did."

To refresh your mind, below is the 1st question. It is not mine. It is Scripture's. I said, "Look up Proverbs 30:4 in Artscroll's Stone Edition and see if you can answer these questions. The translation should be similar enough to these to be able to discern the question.

(CJB)"Who has gone up to heaven and come down?
Who has cupped the wind in the palms of his hands?
Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak?
Who established all the ends of the earth?
What is his name, and what is his son's name? Surely you know!"

My question is the same. "WHAT IS HIS NAME, AND WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME?"

You do not want to accept anything but the very recent Stone Edition Tanach published by Artscroll publishers, so I have another question. Please tell me how anyone was saved in all the years before Artscroll's Stone Edition was published? Did God deprive all those millions of people of His Book? and yet call them accountable for the information that was in His Book? God is perfectly fair, and that wouldn't be fair.

> > There is no way that Jesus of Nazareth could have been the servant of YHVH described in Isaiah 53!

There is no way that Isa. 53 could mean anyone BUT Yeshua the Messiah. I'll use the Septuagint here. Those 70 men knew both Hebrew and Greek. Isa. 52:10 says, "THE LORD SHALL REVEAL HIS HOLY ARM in the sight of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation that comes from our God." Then Isa. 53 asks an important question. Please answer it. It says, "TO WHOM HAS THE ARM OF THE LORD BEEN REVEALED?"

Here are some hints. Isa. 53:4 says of "THE ARM OF THE LORD," "HE BEARS OUR SINS." Verse 6 says, "THE LORD GAVE HIM UP FOR OUR SINS." Verse 11 says, "HE SHALL BEAR THEIR SINS. Therefore he shall inherit many, and he shall divide the spoils of the mighty; BECAUSE HIS SOUL WAS DELIVERED TO DEATH: and he was numbered among the transgressors; and HE BORE THE SINS OF MANY, and was delivered because of their iniquities."

> > Since Jesus was GOD 'disguised' as a man, he could not be the Servant of God!

Oh my goodness, do you realize that you said "Jesus was GOD"? That is the absolute truth. He was and is God. II Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself."

Since God was in Christ, Christ is a separate person. There would be no reason to say that God was in God. That goes without saying. Jesus Christ was both man and God. He had two complete natures, one of man, another of God. Isa. 9:6 says, "a child is born to us (Jesus, inheriting his human nature from his mother), and A SON (the one referred to as God's son in Prov. 30:4) IS GIVEN (inheriting his deity from his Father) to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him. His government shall be great, and of his peace there is no end."

> > Secondly, the servant of YHVH is to LIVE, and have children! Verse 10 of Isaiah 53 reads, in the Hebrew: "If his soul offers itself as a sin-offering, he (the Servant) shall see seed (children! progeny!) and have a long life! (YIREH ZERA, YAARIKH YAMIM)." Hardly a fitting description of a man who died childless in his thirty third year!!

Believers (Christians and Messianic Jews) who have accepted Yeshua/Christ are his "seed." We are his adopted children. Eph 1:5 (KJV) says, "Having predestinated us unto the ADOPTION OF CHILDREN BY JESUS CHRIST TO HIMSELF, according to the good pleasure of his will."

> > Moreover, the Servant is a THEY, not a HE!! Again, translating from the Hebrew, we read in verse 8: 'for the transgression of my people were THEY stricken! (NEGA LAMO - third person plural!).

Isa. 53:8 (LXX) says, "In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken away from the earth: BECAUSE OF THE INIQUITIES OF MY PEOPLE (i.e., THEY) HE WAS LED TO DEATH." Because of the transgression of Isaiah's people, the Israelites, they were/are lost, just as you will be if you don't accept Christ as your Saviour.

Isa. 64:6 (LXX) says, "thou wast angry and we have sinned; therefore we have erred, and we are ALL BECOME AS UNCLEAN, AND ALL OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS AS A FILTHY RAG: AND WE HAVE FALLEN AS LEAVES BECAUSE OF OUR INIQUITIES; THUS THE WIND SHALL CARRY US AWAY."

You are throwing in your lot with those unbelievers that have no covering for their iniquities and who will be carried away as leaves in the wind. They have failed to recognize their sign. Isa. 7:14 (LXX) says, "the Lord himself shall give you a SIGN; behold, a virgin shall conceive in the womb, and shall bring forth a SON (THE SON OF PROV. 30:4), AND THOU SHALT CALL HIS NAME EMMANUEL" ("which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US," Mt. 1:23).

> > the Servant of YHVH is despised, afflicted ISRAEL who has for centuries borne of the nations' sins! The Pharaohs, Hamans, Hitlers sinned, and Israel suffered.

Israel has suffered for one reason, because they have disobeyed the Lord. They were given an either/or proposition. If they obeyed the Lord, they would live in their land in peace. If they disobeyed, they were under the curse. Go ahead, cast in your lot with them. As a nation, they are still under the curse. Common sense will tell you that if you keep up with the news coming out of Israel these days. They have a big lesson to learn, and they will learn it soon.

De. 11:26 (LXX) says, "Behold, I SET BEFORE YOU THIS DAY THE BLESSING AND THE CURSE: the BLESSING, IF YE HEARKEN to the commands of the Lord your God, all that I command you this day: and THE CURSE, IF YE DO NOT HEARKEN to the commands of the Lord our God."

In Gen. 27:11-13 (LXX), Jacob was afraid that if he fooled Isaac, it would "bring upon me a curse, and not a blessingl And his mother said to him, ON ME BE THY CURSE."

The unbelieving Israelites keep calling trouble down on their own heads. Mt. 27:25 (KJV) says concerning Jesus, "HIS BLOOD BE ON US, AND ON OUR CHILDREN." Rev 6:16 (KJV) "And said to the mountains and rocks, FALL ON US, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb."

What rocks are falling? Rev. 8:8-11 tells us. It says, "the second angel sounded, and as it were a GREAT MOUNTAIN BURNING WITH FIRE WAS CAST INTO THE SEA: and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. And the third angel sounded, and there FELL A GREAT STAR FROM HEAVEN, BURNING AS IT WERE A LAMP, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood."

The mountain sized piece of the asteroid will fall into the Mediterranean Sea. Zeph. 2:2-5 says, "Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid (i.e., caught up to Heaven) in the day of the LORD'S anger. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the NOON DAY, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast."

The curse is described in Zech. 5 (KJV). It says, "Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll (a flying rolling thing). And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits (probably a binary asteroid). Then said he unto me, THIS IS THE CURSE (the binary asteroid) THAT GOETH FORTH (orbits) OVER THE FACE OF THE WHOLE EARTH: FOR EVERY ONE THAT STEALETH (A COMMANDMENT WRITTEN ON ONE STONE TABLET) SHALL BE CUT OFF AS ON THIS SIDE ACCORDING TO IT; AND EVERY ONE THAT SWEARETH SHALL BE CUT OFF AS ON THAT SIDE ACCORDING TO IT (THE OTHER STONE TABLET). I will bring it forth, saith the LORD OF HOSTS, and it shall enter into the house of the thief (the False Prophet), and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name (the Tribulation Pope claims infallibility): and it (the asteroid) shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."

> > But, not ALL ISRAEL were righteous servants. Many were sinners! THE SERVANT, THE IDEAL ISRAEL is a class within Israel!

The Messianic Jews are the real Israel. Their blessings will be great. All of Israel after the flesh are not spiritual Israel. Jer 10:16 says, "The portion of Jacob is not like them: for he is the former of all things; and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: THE LORD OF HOSTS IS HIS NAME." Those that believe in Yeshua are believing in the LORD (YHVH) of hosts who is also the Redeemer, the first and the last.

Israel is not the Saviour of the world. Only the sacrifice of a sinless one, (who happens to actually be an Israelite according to the flesh) could atone for the sins of the world. Yeshua is the Saviour of the world. Joh 4:42 says, "Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that THIS IS INDEED THE CHRIST, THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD."

I hope you will see to it that 2Pe 2:20 doesn't apply to you, "For IF AFTER THEY HAVE ESCAPED THE POLLUTIONS OF THE WORLD THROUGH THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST, THEY ARE AGAIN ENTANGLED THERE, AND OVERCOME, THE LATTER END IS WORSE WITH THEM THAN AT THE BEGINNING."

Prov. 30:4 asks, "WHAT IS HIS NAME, AND WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME?

1Jo 4:14 tells us, "we have seen and do testify that THE FATHER SENT THE SON TO BE THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD."

> > IF SO ... why did Jesus die? If he wasn't the righteous servant of YHVH, (and he WASN'T), why did he die such a terrible death?? The answer to this question is unequivocally provided in the Hebrew Scriptures. > > "Thus shall you say to them: the gods that have NOT made the heavens and the earth, THESE shall perish from the earth, and from under the heavens!!" (Jeremiah 10:11)

Those words could condemn you. Think about what you are saying. How will that sound to our Holy God?

The Son of God is the Creator. He created and made the heavens and the Earth. Let's just look at a few scriptures. Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer (Yeshua) the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first (YHVH King of Israel), AND I am the last (YHVH of hosts); and beside me there is no God."

Isa. 45:5,12,18,21,22 says, "I am the LORD, and there is none else....I have made (asah) the earth, and created (bara) man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded...For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else....who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD (YHVH)? and there is no God else beside me; a just GOD AND A SAVIOUR; there is none beside me....Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."

Isa. 48:12,13,16-18 says, "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I AM THE FIRST (YHVH KING OF ISRAEL), I ALSO AM THE LAST" (YHVH OF HOSTS)....Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together....Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I (GOD THE SON): and now THE LORD GOD (THE FATHER), AND HIS SPIRIT (HOLY SPIRIT), HATH SENT ME" (GOD THE SON). THUS SAITH THE LORD (YHVH), THY REDEEMER (YHVH OF HOSTS), the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD (YHVH) thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. O THAT THOU HADST HEARKENED TO MY COMMANDMENTS (THE COMMANDMENTS WERE GIVEN TO MOSES BY THE SON OF GOD). ! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea."
Isa 48:22 There is no peace, saith the LORD, unto the wicked." If Israel, as a nation, would only turn to the Lord, they would have peace. It is because they have rejected the Redeemer that they have no peace. Agape

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