Pro and Con 87, Uploaded 4-12-98

Incoming Mail, Re: DEATH AT HAND



My reply

You scared me as I started to read. Here this is in bold face caps. Then I had to laugh as I continued. No, I'm not trying to kill you. I'm trying to make sure you are going to make it in the first Rapture. We've got to be ready. We just can't muff it. It sounds like only the wise virgins go with the Bridegroom.

I am no spring chicken either. I am 69 and my husband is 74. Exercise is supposed to be good for us as long as we don't overdo it. Just don't try skateboarding. Maybe inline skates would not be the best either, or stilts. I still ride my bike though, and how I wish they had inline skates when I was young. How I loved my ball-bearing skates, skated everywhere, even to school. Loved tall stilts too. Our main exercise now is mall walking and the Silver Sneaker exercise classes at the gym.

Our blessing to you too, and many thanks for telling me this.

Incoming Mail

"At The Very Door," by Greg Alston, from The Prophecy Post, April, 1998 (quoted by permission)

"The Bible tells us to seek God concerning things to come (Isaiah 41:21,22). Yet most of the Christian Church says otherwise: "it's not for us to know," "it will all pan out," or"prophecy scares people" are often heard as excuses to ignore passages like Isaiah 41:22, "Let them bring forth and show us what will happen..."

"Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently, and with the greatest care, trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow." - I Peter 1:10,11

The apostle Peter makes it plain that the prophets of the Old Testament "inquired and searched diligently" concerning the things to come, and, more importantly, the Spirit of Christ was answering them! Notice that they sought to know not only the nature of the events, but also the time they would be fulfilled. Such seeking today usually results in being labeled a "date-setter," "sensationalist," or worse. Yet the Bible itself not only condones efforts to know the future, but God Himself has given us His Holy Spirit for that very purpose (John 16:13). Dare we disobey God in this matter? Only at the peril of being ignorant, which according to Hosea 4:6, results in destruction. Jesus, in the Olivet discourse, gave 15 signs to look for in regard to the time of His second coming. And in Amos 3:7, 1 Chronicles 12:32 and Ezekiel 3:17f, God commissioned certain individuals to alert the people of the time. God is speaking through His true prophets and watchmen today, most of whom are either despised or unrecognized by the Christian community. Nonetheless, God will honor their word because it is His Word and the multiplicity of signs, most of which are occurring today, will leave many without excuse in the day of His wrath.

It is personally dangerous for a Christian to mock, scoff or ignore the signs of His coming (Revelation 3:2,3). It is a Bible mandate to watch the signs (Mark 13:35-37). As a Christian, you must begin to realize and practice that. If Jesus said (as many allege) that it's not for us to know the times and the seasons, why did the sons of the prophets and Elisha know beforehand the day of Elijah's translation (2 Kings 2:5)? And why did God Himself affirm in Isaiah 42:9 and 44:7 that He tells His people in advance? In the words of Paul, "ye brethren are not in darkness..." Jesus' comments in Act 1:7 were directed to the disciples with whom He was speaking at that time. It was not for them to know. They couldn't know the exact season and time for obvious reasons: the vision and prophecy would not be unsealed (knowable) until the time of the end (Daniel 12:4,9), which would occur long after their deaths. They could not personally observe the signs associated with the last days. Moreover, they had a different mandate: to receive the Holy Spirit, plant churches and bring the gospel to every nation, which they did before the close of the first century (Acts 1:8, Colossians 1:6,23). Jesus saying "it's not for you to know" was not an injunction upon every future generation, otherwise He wouldn't have detailed the signs and the season as He did in the Olivet Discourse.

Matthew 25:6 says that prior notice of our Lord's return will be forthcoming in a "midnight cry." When might that be? The practice in the ancient Jewish wedding was that upon arriving to collect his bride, someone in the bridegroom's wedding party would "cry out" their arrival. On the day that He ascended back into heaven, Jesus told His disciples to "tarry in Jerusalem" until the Holy Ghost came upon them (Acts 1:3-11). Precisely ten days later, the Holy Ghost was poured out on the Day of Pentecost. Noah received a 7-day advance notice in Genesis 7:4 - how long will our notice be?

I share the belief (with many others) that if the Rapture occurs on a Jewish feast day, it will be on Shavuot (the Feast ofPentecost), not on Rosh Ha Shana (the Feast of Trumpets). Recently, a certain interpretation of our Lord's words, "no man knows the day or the hour," has circulated within the Christian community. It is said that in ancient Israel, no one knew the start of the month until the new moon was visually sighted. This occurred when the last sliver of light around the edges of the moon, called "horns of the moon," disappeared into darkness. Upon independent observation of two witnesses, the new month (coinciding with the new moon), would be officially declared. Until that official declaration, "no man knew" when the month would start. Christ's word's, "no man knows the day or the hour," so it goes, was therefore a coded message telling us when the Rapture would be - on the first day of the month, when the new moon was sighted. Since Rosh Ha Shana is on the first day of the month (1 Tishri), that must be when the Rapture will occur. Had I not previously engaged in a great deal of study on this subject, I too may have been persuaded by this interpretation.

A more plausible explanation of Christ's words in Matthew 24:36 has to do with the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit had not yet been given at the time Jesus said, "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the son, but My Father only." Without the Spirit, no man can know (1 Corinthians 2:9-12) - but with Him, we can (John 16:13)! Jesus didn't know at that time because he had divested Himself of His ability to know all things (omniscience) during the days of His flesh (Philippians 2:5-8). His divine attributes were restored after His glorification and return to heaven- today He does know (Zechariah 14:7).

I humbly submit that the new moon/two witnesses theory for the Rapture being on a future Rosh Ha Shana has several discrepancies. Following are five of the most obvious:

  1. The day and hour of the new moon has been known, in advance, since the fourth century. This in itself discredits the theory. Since astronoical and mathematical calculations provide in advance the day and hour of the new moon, it is impossible to say "no man knows." Charts and tables extending at least ten years into the future are now available for all to see, and "know."

  2. It is alleged that the phrase, "no man knows the day and the hour" is a Jewish idiom, a figure of speech. However, there is no credible evidence to support this.

  3. If Jesus was referring to Rosh Ha Shana as being the day of the Rapture, then He did know it would be on 1 Tishri, thus contradicting His statement that "no one knows, not even the son."

  4. The new moon;two witnesses theory applies equally to 1 Nisan, the day that dictates when the first three feasts of Israel will occur (Passover, Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits in the month of Nisan). Assuming the theory were correct, which new moon/new month is Jesus referring to: the first day of Tishri or the first day of Nisan?

  5. The theory is invalidated in that anyone could know the day and the hour by simply counting 29 1/2 days from the new moon which precedes 1 Tishri (Rosh Ha Shana).

There are specific Bible passages proving there were precisely 4,000 years from Adam to Christ. Many Church Fathers and ancient Hebrew Rabbis attested that man will surrender the earth to Jesus Christ after 6,000 years of human history. Should the Fathers and many contemporary scholars be correct in this pronouncement, we could see the Lord at any moment, or at best, 33 months from now (the end of the year 2,000). Considering the multiplicity of signs that are now occuring, that is not inconceivable. Next time (if we're still here) we'll look at some of those signs. - G. Alston

Incoming Email

I am writing to you concerning your Pentecost 1998 prediction. I believe also that the bible contains the date of the rature somewhere, whether in code or in the plain text. I believe your prediction the way you explained it depends on Pentecost being on a Sunday, which means that the Passover would be 50 days before on a Saturday. You say this is the same way it was the year of Christ's crucifixion and resurrection. My problem is with that statement. In the year of our Lord's resurrection the Passover could not of been on a Saturday, because then Sunday would of also been a sabbath (Lev. 23:5-7), a high sabbath, which means the women would not of been allowed to go to the tomb to annoint the body. That doesn't mean your prediction is wrong, and hopefully it isn't, but this year is not the same as the birth year of the Church. Yours in Christ

My reply

In 30 A.D., the Crucifixion was on Nisan 13, Thursday, the Preparation for the Passover. (Additional note: the Last Supper was after 6:00 P.M. as Nisan 13 began.) The Feast of Passover was on Friday, Nisan 14, which was an High Day. The Sabbath and Feast of Unleavened Bread was on Saturday, Nisan 15. The Feast of Firstfruits and Resurrection Day was Sunday, Nisan 16. Pentecost was on Sunday, Sivan 6....

In 5758 (our 1998), Nisan 13 is on Thursday, Nisan 14 is on Friday, Nisan 15 is on Saturday, Nisan 16 is on Sunday (Easter and Firstfruits) and Sivan 6, Pentecost, is on Sunday.

Incoming Email

I need some help on an important issue, and it seems to me that you are the best qualified person to help me. I would greatly appreciate it if you could give some guidance.

I'm an ex-Catholic. I've been debating with Catholics lately (you know, the kind who say the Catholic church is the only true church), and I'm in a real jam over the eucharist. They insist that when Christ said "This is my body", that He meant the communion is His literal spiritual body and blood. I'm not quite so sure. Can you help me out either way?

The other point of debate is that all the early Christians believed as the Catholics do. I don't have enough research on the matter, so I can't respond, although I'm quite sure Mary wasn't treated as being second (or equal) to Christ, as some members of the Catholic church seem to be asserting. What do you have to say about this?

I was on the verge of coming back to Catholicism back in December, but I found your book "Revelation 2000". The things you wrote about the Catholic church made me mad at first, but I knew they were true. Please keep on telling Catholics the truth. I wish more ministers would. Its not easy, and it makes Catholics extremely mad, but it has to be done, and I'm glad there are people like you who are willing to put truth ahead of false peace. Thank you.

My reply

Do you really think wine ran in Jesus' veins? Was his flesh made of bread? Of course not; those things were symbolic. No man-made wafer could possibly be anything but symbolic.

As for Mary, she was the mother of Jesus' human body, nothing else. We are to pray to the Father in Jesus' name, and to no other.

Read Hislop's "The Two Babylons." I think he told when different practices were added.

Incoming Email

Here is some food for thought for your readers on Matthew 24:35-36 "Heaven and earth will pass away. "BUT of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only." The NO ONE KNOWS refers to heaven and earth passing away (being refreshed) These 2 verses go together and refer to the end after the thousand year reign, when Lucifer is let out "FOR A LITTLE SEASON, TO DECEIVE THE NATIONS" (REV 20:1-3). We nor the angels in heaven have a clue as to how long that "little season" might be with God. Then heaven and earth will pass away (Rev. 21:1). Matt 24:36 Starts out "BUT" (but what?????)Matt 24:35 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. "BUT of that day and hour (when heaven and earth will pass away) no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only."

I heard this explaination during a radio bible program. Makes perfect sense to me. (Wish I could give credit where it's due, but I don't remember who it was)...possibly J. Vernon McGee(a great bible scholar who has already gone to be with our Lord) I catch him on the radio every chance I get, most recently he was preaching on Pentecost and how the rapture would definitely take place on a pentecost.

God Bless And Keep You Till He Comes.

My reply

Thanks. I pointed this out to those college age kids who came to my house to study the Bible with me back in 1969. They got it, but other people seem to not want to believe that this is what it refers to because there are other places where it says things like, "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh" (Mt. 25:13). BTW, here, he is talking to the foolish virgins, not the wise ones. Anyway, many people see just what they want to see. They are sure in their minds that we can't know and that is that for them.

This is one reason we have Laodiceans who are not ready. Their leaders are convinced that we can't know. The people are convinced that we can't know, so, as a group, they don't know. They are blind and need to anoint their eyes with eyesalve so they can see.

Noah and his family knew. But how about the rest? Mt. 24:38 says, "For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." A few knew, but the rest didn't believe Noah. It is that way today. History repeats.

Incoming Email, Re: Inclusive reckoning

Just a few comments and questions. Why is it that you use the Jewish Inclusive Reckoning to count the years after the Rapture, but don't use it to count the years since the fig tree parable was fulfilled? That would take everything back one year. Also, I've been telling everyone I can about our Savior and I come across alot of agnostics. Many of them shoot questions at me that I can't answer, so I've given them your web address to ask you. (You always have very wise answers and I don't want to give them any misinformation) I'm sorry if I opened up a can of worms and you recieve alot of e mail from non believers because of me. I just know that if they read your web site and talk to you, they would be able to see. Thank you so much for your books and web site. Everytime I come here I learn something new. Whether you want to believe it or not, you have opened many people's eyes (including my family) and I'm sure even if May 31st isn't the day (I believe it is) of the Rapture you still have guided many people to the Light. I just know that you will recieve MANY rewards in Heaven. You have helped to bring so many back to the flock, that were once lost. Thank You so much. Sometimes when I'm reading your testimony and others on your web site, I can't help but to break down and cry with happiness and joy, to what the Lord is revealing to me through you. God Bless You Marilyn. My whole family thanks you and we all love you. ( But not more than Jesus) * GRIN* Peace be with you.

My reply

> Why is it that you use the Jewish Inclusive Reckoning to count the years after
> the Rapture, but don't use it to count the years since the fig tree parable was
> fulfilled? That would take everything back one year.

It seems to change because after the Rapture, God will again be dealing with Israel. The last year of the 40 has to be a Jewish leap year for there to be seven Jewish months between the catastrophe and the Second Advent (Ezek. 39:12). That takes us to 5768. 5767 is not a leap year.

> I'm sorry if I opened up a can of worms and you recieve alot of e mail from non
> believers because of me. I just know that if they read your web site and
> talk to you, they would be able to see.

I usually write to believers, but welcome the opportunity to help nonbelievers come to the Lord. What is more important? to bring one more soul to the Lord, of course. One has to come to the Lord and be fed the milk of the Word before he can be fed strong meat.

Thanks for all your kind remarks. In His love

Incoming Email

Do you know where the scripture is that shows that the Jews inherit the earth, and we inherit the universe? Am I right on that?

I found Romans 4:13 For the promise that he (Abraham) would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or through his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Also, I think the first message preached was, "The Gospel of the Kingdom" and it was preached to Israel.

Then Paul preached the "Gospel of Grace" to the Gentiles, and after we are raptured, the Jews will again preach "The Gospel of the Kingdom."

Am I correct in thinking that, and do you know any scriptural proof to that?

My reply

Ex. 32:13 says, "all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed (Abraham's), and they shall inherit it for ever." We are promised Heaven, not the Universe.

Re: Romans 4:13: The promise given to Abraham was before the Law was given to Moses at Sinai.

> Also, I think the first message preached was, "The Gospel of the Kingdom"
> and it was preached to Israel.

> Then Paul preached the "Gospel of Grace" to the Gentiles, and after we are
> raptured, the Jews will again preach "The Gospel of the Kingdom."

> Am I correct in thinking that, and do you know any scriptural proof to that?

(1) I think that is correct. Mt. 4:23 says, "Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom."

(2) In Acts 20:24, Paul mentioned, "the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God."

(3) Mt. 24:14 says, "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

Incoming Email

I hope this letter finds you and your husband well on this Easter day. It has been some time since we've communicated.

I just finished perusing the site you recommended, "The Official Rapture In Bible Codes," author Peter Hader.

Though I find the subject of Bible codes intriguing I'm still, saying, the jury is out on the conclusion that such codes exist as a plan of God.

As I stated in a piece included on my web site, "A commentary on "Acrostics:"

"We know deceit many times attempts to hide amongst truth. If we accept, offhandedly as true, the claims of new messages, by "Acrostics," as a part of the Bible we then open up that form of interpretation to any who wishes to use it. We do not know the statistical probability of any set of numbers relating to letter positions within the words of sentences that would allow for a hidden message, one relative to the subject from which it comes, to occur. Specifically, how often does this occur naturally. Presupposing the accuracy of acrostics might find you in the future having to accept a message contrary to your beliefs as it was presented with the same form of evidence you have already presupposed to be true."

Marilyn, mathematically, there would be billions of possibilities to find anything one would care to find. Allow me to present this thought in the following fashion.

We want to find a particular word or phrase that appears over and over in a particular sequence in the Bible.

1.) Since the word or phrase is allowed to show itself in a matrix of letters, forming the chosen text, the very width (x), and height (y), of the matrix will have everything to do with that which is found. Findings would change for each change of (x) and (y).

2.) Vary (X) and (Y), then on each variance, search:

a.) Horizontally b.) Vertically c.) Diagonally

a1.) On each of the above variances search forward and backwards.

3.) If the desired word or phrase is not found then another group of verses is searched in all of the above fashions until the desired results are found.

4.) As a control group other books, (not of the Bible,) must be selected at random and random words and phrases relating to the text of the book must be selected. Each of the possible variance searches, listed above, must be accomplished to determine how often "hidden messages" occur outside of the biblical context.

Without the knowledge of the statistical probabilities allowing for "Hidden messages" to occur we cannot make a judgment that God had his hand on these words nor that the words or phrases were hidden to be interpreted at a later date.

Personally, if you haven't already perceived this through this letter, I believe that the acceptance of such messages should be done with the utmost extreme care. Further quoting that which I wrote in "A Commentary on Acrostics,"

"Presupposing the accuracy of acrostics might find you in the future having to accept a message contrary to your beliefs as it was presented with the same form of evidence you have already presupposed to be true."

Marilyn, your research, evident in your book, "The End of the Age," carries with it a heck of a lot more reliability than that which has been attempted to be proven through the use of "Acrostics."

The time sure is narrowing, isn't it?

My reply

Happy Easter. I am glad you think my book is reliable. And yes, time is narrowing to see if I am right. I have so much to do in this short time left, I don't know how I am going to get it all done.

Don't worry about me and the Bible Codes. I take the surface text as gospel truth against anything else. It is just nice to know that these Rapture words are there. I also feel more confident in the horizontal words than I do the diagonal or vertical. Did you read Drosnin's Book? I think they tried in War and Peace and could not get the same results. Also, statistical probabilities were listed.

It snowed again this weekend in our local mountains, unusual this late. The ski resorts are working all lifts. Usually, they close Apr. 10.

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