Pro and Con 870

Posted 2-17-02

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Re: Check out APOD: 2002 February 15 - Saturn: Lord of the Rings

thought you might like this.
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"Saturn: Lord of the Rings"
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
...Saturn's ring system is around 250 kilometers wide but in places only a few tens of meters thick....

My reply

Thanks. I love the caption. I also wonder why the rings are different colors. If you ever see anything on that, please let me know. Agape

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From: Rich Pope, BBT56@rockwood.k12.mo.us
Subject: LXX, ** Low Priority **
In one of your quotes, you offered LXX as your source. Now, did you know the Rabbi's who translated the LXX made 6 alterations to the LXX on purpose?

So, I'm going to issue you a challenge. I know what these 6 alterations are. If you are truly quoting from the LXX, then it will be very apparent. If not, you are a liar.

Please tell me how your "LXX" translates Genesis 1:1. Then I'll tell you if you truly have a Septuagint or a fake. Rich

My reply

Tell you what, I wouldn't misquote Scripture on purpose for the world. I would be scared to death to do that. Here is Gen. 1:1 in the LXX: "IN the beginning God made the heaven and the earth."

Seventy-two Jews translated the Septuagint (LXX). Each of them worked alone. When they compared the results, they agreed with each other.

Here is something else you might be interested in. Dr. James Tabor, a Jew, is translating both Old Testament and New Testament scriptures for the Original Bible Project. Here is how he translated Gen. 1:1: "In the beginning when ELOHIM created the heavens and the earth."

Re: "Literalness and Accuracy," Dr. Tabor wrote, "Our goal is for this to be the most literal and accurate translation in existence." He also said, "This translation slavishly follows the Hebrew text in all cases, with minor changes in word order only."

I perceive that you could not answer God's questions in Proverbs 30:4. You beat around the bush awhile, and in the end had to get your friend to help you out. It reminds me of when Yeshua said of the Pharisees, "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch" (Mt. 15:14).

Here is what Shmuel (BigShmooz@aol.com) said.
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Re: Pro & Con
Please I ask of you to print this letter I am sending you now unedited into the forum. Thank you for this amenity.

First let me state that I am a friend of Rich who has posted to you & he directed me to this website.

I would like to address some of the issues you brought out in response to a letter he recently sent you.

You start off by condemning his non-response of the issue of the Proverbs verse which states "what is his name & what is his sons name."

Actually this is a poetic way of referring to Moses. For the name of this person is indeed Moses who led the Israelites out of Egypt. If you had read the ArtScroll commentary on that verse, you would have known this yourself.

King Solomon (called here as Uhgoor etc...) is making a point here that he cannot compare himself to Moses as he states about himself that he is a boor & does not have a man's (Moses) understanding who did the things he is stating.

Who has gone up to heaven and come down?

Moses is the one who went up to heaven & came down. Exodus chapters 19, 24, 31, 32, 34 & Deut. 9 .(Mount Seenai was in the heavens as Scripture clearly states) & Moses ascended the mountain & came down to earth afterward.

Who else has cupped the wind in the palms of his hands?

Turn to Exodus chapter 10 verses 13, 18, 19 & chapter 14 verse 21. You will see that when Moses stretched forth his hand, G-D brought an east wind, so in fact Moses here directs the winds (by his stretching forth of the staff in one case & prayer in another case & hand in another case ). G-D does all these things because of Moses, hence he is given credit for it by Uhgoor (Solomon).

> > Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak?

Moses again did this. Let us look & see if this is so. Turn to Exodus chapter 14 verse 16 "& you raise your staff & stretch forth your hand over the waters & split it." Hence he restricted the waters (wrapped it in his cloak).

> > Who established all the ends of the earth?

Again it is Moses. For he is the bringer of the Covenant (Torah) & he built the Tabernacle. This is the things that are the foundations of the earth for these are the things the earth stands on since if not for these things, the world would not exist. As Scripture states "if not for my covenant (Torah) day & night (study of Torah) the laws of heaven & earth I did not establish" As G-D tells Joshua ... chapter 1 verse 8 "Do not let veer this Torah from your mouth, delve into it day & night."

What is his name, and what is his son's name if you know ?

The answer is Moses. (his son's name is either Gershom or Eliezer) It is a poetic way of speaking of course. (Proverbs is all very poetic in nature)

You ask of Rich... Please tell me how anyone was saved in all the years before Artscroll's Stone Edition was published? Did God deprive all those millions of people of His Book? and yet call them accountable for the information that was in His Book? God is perfectly fair, and that wouldn't be fair.

The answer is, you are looking at something here all wrong. You seem to be under an impression that one needs salvation from a man. This is not so, Scripture never makes such a claim anywhere. (including Isaiah 53 as Rich explained to you previously).

Mankind needs G-D's commandments to them & with this they can obtain Spiritual growth that will lead them to G-D Al-Mighty.

Now to get specific to your question... G-D gave all mankind what we commonly refer to as the Seven Noachide commandments. (not to be confused with the Ten commandments given to Israel as Seenai). These commandments were given & informed to all of man through Noach (Noah). As a Gentile, you must go to a Jewish person, for them to inform you of what those laws are. (this is one of the ways the Israelites are a "light to the nations" for we (I am Jewish) teach the nations how to come to G-D.)

You must understand that G-D only holds accountable the Gentiles, for sins of which they were informed of. (the 7 laws) (There are a few others besides the 7, but it is all referred to as "7".) Remember... the Torah was NOT given to the Gentiles & hence they are not responsible to keep it's laws. They are only responsible for the 7 laws as defined to Noach. (Some of which were stated to Uhduhm (Adam) too.)

There is no way that Isa. 53 could mean anyone BUT Yeshua the Messiah. I'll use the Septuagint here. Those 70 men knew both Hebrew and Greek. Isa. 52:10 says, "THE LORD SHALL REVEAL HIS HOLY ARM in the sight of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation that comes from our God." Then Isa. 53 asks an important question. Please answer it. It says, "TO WHOM HAS THE ARM OF THE LORD BEEN REVEALED?" Here are some hints. Isa. 53:4 says of "THE ARM OF THE LORD," "HE BEARS OUR SINS." Verse 6 says, "THE LORD GAVE HIM UP FOR OUR SINS." Verse 11 says, "HE SHALL BEAR THEIR SINS. Therefore he shall inherit many, and he shall divide the spoils of the mighty; BECAUSE HIS SOUL WAS DELIVERED TO DEATH: and he was numbered among the transgressors; and HE BORE THE SINS OF MANY, and was delivered because of their iniquities."

Your first mistake here is, you are not using the Septuagint. For in fact if you did, then your Bible would not read as it does. For in the Septuagint, there were 6 places that the Scholars changed the Scriptures (in order to avoid certain issues that I will not get into right now from Talmai (Ptolomy). One of them reads from Genesis... "& G-D ceased work on the 6th day (from) the work he had done & G-D rested on the 7th day (from) all the work he had done." I assure you that your Septuagint does not say that. Yet the REAL Septuagint does. (yours says... "& G-D ceased work on the SEVENTH day (from) the work he had done & G-D rested on the 7th day (from) all the work he had done."

Also the real Septuagint says "let ME make man". Yours I assure you says, "Let US make man".

Hence I KNOW you are not using the real Septuagint.

So know this, from now on I can't trust your version of anything you quote from the Septuagint unless it concurs with a correct translation, since you are in fact, are not using the Septuagint at all. By the way, I am fluent in Hebrew & quite good, though not fluent in Aramaic.

Now to the issue itself. Your quotes even if they be accurate do not address Rich's point that you are responding to here.

He has shown you that no matter how one turns the Scriptures, it can't refer to jesus if only for the simple reason that both you & I would agree that jesus had no "zehra" (children). Your response that he had spiritual children does not hold water, for if that is what the verse was referring to the word used would have been "bayn" & not "zehra". For in all cases where Scripture refers to spiritual (or adopted) children, that is the word used.

Moreover, even while you responded (albeit incorrectly) to the "children" issue in your reply to Rich, you neglected the "long life issue completely that he brought up that Scripture states. to be continued.... Shmuel

My reply

Pro 30:4-6 says,
"Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended?
who hath gathered the wind in his fists?
who hath bound the waters in a garment?
who hath established all the ends of the earth?
what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."

> > Actually this is a poetic way of referring to Moses. For the name of this person is indeed Moses who led the Israelites out of Egypt. If you had read the ArtScroll commentary on that verse, you would have known this yourself.

That tells me right quick that I can't rely on the ArtScroll commentary. That's the way with most commentaries though. I have to stick to Scripture. I take it that the translation is of better quality. That I am truly interested in reading. I've read every version I could get my hands on so far.

Prov. 30:4 isn't talking about Moses. Moses hasn't "established all the ends of the earth." He wasn't even allowed to go into the Promised Land, let alone establishing all the ends of the earth. You are just grasping at straws because you don't want to admit what this scripture really means. Down deep, you must know that the answer isn't Moses. I don't see how you can fool yourself that completely. You just want to pull the wool over my eyes, but it's hard to pull the wool over your own eyes. You don't see now because you don't want to see. You won't look. But you will have to face reality when you stand before the Son of God at the judgment. "For the Father judgeth no man, but HATH COMMITTED ALL JUDGMENT UNTO THE SON" (John 5:22). I can just imagine you there stumbling all over yourself trying to justify your beliefs before the Son of God. He knows all that you have and haven't done. As it stands, you will have no excuse, nothing to save you from Hell. You have failed to recognize your Mashiach. What could be worse for an Israelite/Jew?

Heaven is where God has his throne. It isn't Mt. Sinai, although Mt. Sinai was a type of Heaven when the Israelites were in the wilderness. It wasn't Heaven, it just represented Heaven in the dramatic skit played out at Sinai to help us understand Scripture.

Elijah wasn't caught up to Mt. Sinai in a chariot of fire. No, he was caught up to God's Heaven. 2Ki 2:11 says, "there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind INTO HEAVEN." God's word says "HEAVEN." If he had just gone to Sinai, he could have come back, or they could have found his body.

Abraham understood what you don't, and he will end up in the heavenly Jerusalem. Heb. 11:13-19 says, "These all died in faith (Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham and Sara), not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But NOW THEY DESIRE A BETTER COUNTRY, THAT IS, AN HEAVENLY: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city. By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure." Isaac was a type of God's only begotten Son, your Mashiach.

In Gen 14:22, "Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of HEAVEN AND EARTH." Heaven and Earth are two separate things. God isn't just the possessor of Sinai and Earth.

1. "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended?"

Psa 139:4-8 says, "For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether.Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it. Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into HEAVEN, thou art there: if I make my bed in HELL, behold, thou art there."

Of course, I have an advantage here. I know that the New Covenant was put into effect with the death of the testator. 1Co 15:47 says, "The first man (Adam) is of the earth, earthy: the second man (whose body was created by God) IS THE LORD FROM HEAVEN. "In Mat 26:28, Yeshua said, "For this is My blood of the NEW COVENANT which concerning many is being poured out for remission of sins."

But you just go by Jer 31:31. It says, "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD (YHVH), that I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah." Just hang on to that and remember that a Last Will and Testament is only binding when the Testator dies.

Our Testator died, but was resurrected, and will judge us. Joh 5:21-22 says, "the Son quickeneth whom he will. For the Father judgeth no man, but HATH COMMITTED ALL JUDGMENT UNTO THE SON." That judgment is where you will either stand or fall for all eternity.

Mat 11:24-30 says, "I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee. At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes." Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

> > > Who established all the ends of the earth?

> > Again it is Moses. For he is the bringer of the Covenant (Torah) & he built the Tabernacle. This is the things that are the foundations of the earth for these are the things the earth stands on since if not for these things, the world would not exist.

I'm sorry, but the Earth existed before the Torah and the Tabernacle came to be.

> > > You ask of Rich... Please tell me how anyone was saved in all the years before Artscroll's Stone Edition was published? Did God deprive all those millions of people of His Book? and yet call them accountable for the information that was in His Book? God is perfectly fair, and that wouldn't be fair.

> > The answer is, you are looking at something here all wrong. You seem to be under an impression that one needs salvation from a man. This is not so, Scripture never makes such a claim anywhere. (including Isaiah 53 as Rich explained to you previously).

Heb. 11:4f show us that Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham and Sara were all saved before the Torah and Tabernacle came to be.

Your Temple sacrifices were to show you that only a blood sacrifice can take away sin. Isa 64:6 says, "But we are all as an unclean thing, and ALL OUR RIGHTEOUSNESSES ARE AS FILTHY RAGS; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away." Without a perfect sacrifice, you are lost. All are lost.

Heb 9:22 says, "almost all things are BY THE LAW PURGED WITH BLOOD; AND WITHOUT SHEDDING OF BLOOD IS NO REMISSION." Because of this, we all have to have a Saviour, or we are on a slick slide to Hell. I thank God for providing us a Saviour. He didn't have to, you know. It is a good thing he is a good God. There is no higher authority to tell him what or what not to do. By his own will, he made the decision to give us a chance, and if we don't do it His way, we are sunk, destined to a fate worse than death.

He gave us good minds, and we had better use them to figure out how God says we can be saved. There is only one way, and we desperately need to find it. Maybe I should quote more of Heb. 9. Verses 11-22 say, "Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And FOR THIS CAUSE HE IS THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For WHERE A TESTAMENT IS, THERE MUST ALSO OF NECESSITY BE THE DEATH OF THE TESTATOR. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

Isaiah tells us plainly who the Saviour/Redeemer is. He actually is YHVH of hosts, the Creator, Israel's King. Isa. 44:2,6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) that made thee (he is the Creator)....Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, and his REDEEMER the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I AM THE FIRST (YHVH King of Israel), AND I AM THE LAST(YHVH of hosts, the redeemer); and beside me there is no God." The FIRST AND THE LAST ARE TOGETHER ONE UNITED ELOHIM.

This agrees with De. 6:4. It says, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD (YHVH) our God (ELOHIM, plural) is one (echad, united) LORD (YHVH)." The meaning of "echad" is clear in Gen. 2:24. It says, "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and THEY (plural) shall be (hayah, become) ONE (echad, united) flesh (basar, body)."

YHVH explains further in Isa. 41:4. He says, "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD (YHVH), THE FIRST, AND WITH THE LAST; I AM HE."

In the Day of God's Wrath, "The LORD (YHVH) shall go forth AS A MIGHTY MAN (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer, Yeshua), he shall stir up jealousy LIKE A MAN of war: he shall cry, yea ROAR (AS THE LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH); he shall prevail against his enemies" (Isa. 42:13).

Isa. 43:11-14 says, "I, even I, am LORD (YHVH); and BESIDE ME THERE IS NO SAVIOUR....ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD (YHVH), that I am God. Yea, before the day was I AM HE...Thus saith the LORD (YHVH), your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel...I AM THE LORD (YHVH), your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King. Thus saith the LORD (YHVH), which MAKETH A WAY IN THE SEA, AND A PATH IN THE MIGHTY WATERS."

You see, YHVH, not Moses, "has wrapped up the waters in his cloak." You are assigning things that YHVH did to Moses. I don't think YHVH would take kindly to that. We should give credit where credit is due, especially where God is concerned.

Isa. 47:3,4 says, "I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man (therefore as God). As for OUR REDEEMER, THE LORD (YHVH) OF HOSTS IS HIS NAME, THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL."

Isa. 48:12-18 says, "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I AM HE; I AM THE FIRST, I ALSO AM THE LAST. Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.... Come ye near unto me, HEAR YE THIS; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and NOW THE LORD GOD (the Father, first in the Godhead), AND HIS SPIRIT (the Holy Spirit), HATH SENT ME (Yeshua). Thus saith the LORD (YHVH), THY REDEEMER, the Holy One of Israel; I AM THE LORD (YHVH) THY GOD which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. O that thou hadst hearkened to MY COMMANDMENTS (the YHVH OF HOSTS' commandments, delivered to Moses at Sinai)! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea." Israel has no peace today, because she is not obeying YHVH of hosts.

> > Mankind needs G-D's commandments to them & with this they can obtain Spiritual growth that will lead them to G-D Al-Mighty.

Man could be saved if he could always obey the commandments. However, no man has yet been saved that way. We all fall short and are damned to Hell because we can't always keep the commandments. That's why we desperately need a Saviour, and I thank God that he has seen fit to provide us with one.

Taking advantage of God's free gift of salvation can happen in an instant. You don't have to wait till the end of your life to see if you made it or not. All you have to do is accept salvation by accepting your Mashiach. If you wait to see if you can get through life with no sin to condemn you, you will lose. No man has ever been sinless but Yeshua.

> > As a Gentile, you must go to a Jewish person, for them to inform you of what those laws are.

I'm sorry, but I stick with what God says. He is completely trustworthy.

> > Also the real Septuagint says "let ME make man". Yours I assure you says, "Let US make man".

Dr. Tabor's translation of Gen. 1:26 says, "And ELOHIM said, "Let us 24 make man ('adam) in our image, according to our likeness 26." (emphasis mine)

His footnote 24 says, "For other examples of this use of the plural compare Gen 3:5, 22 and 11:7." Footnote 26 says, "Compare Gen 5:2 where these same Hebrew words are used for Seth, the son of Adam, but in reverse order. The Hebrew word for "image" tzelem) is often used for idols (Num 33:52) and refers to a shape, shadow, or outline. The word for "likeness" (demut) is quite similar in meaning and refers to visual appearance (see Ezk 1:5).

> > He has shown you that no matter how one turns the Scriptures, it can't refer to jesus if only for the simple reason that both you & I would agree that jesus had no "zehra" (children). Your response that he had spiritual children does not hold water, for if that is what the verse was referring to the word used would have been "bayn" & not "zehra". For in all cases where Scripture refers to spiritual (or adopted) children, that is the word used.

Have you not read that "AS SOON AS ZION TRAVAILED, SHE BROUGHT FORTH HER CHILDREN"? These are spiritual children, adopted by God, that are born in a day, not one by one spaced 9 months apart.

Isa. 66:5-8 says, "HEAR THE WORD OF THE LORD (YHVH), YE (including Messianic Jews) THAT TREMBLE AT HIS WORD; YOUR BRETHREN (including Orthodox Jews) THAT HATED YOU (Messianic Jews), THAT CAST YOU (Messianic Jews) OUT (having a funeral for them) FOR MY NAME'S SAKE (YESHUA, short for YHVH SHUA, YAH IS SAVIOUR), SAID, LET THE LORD (YHVH) BE GLORIFIED; BUT HE (YHVH) SHALL APPEAR TO YOUR (Messianic Jews') JOY, AND THEY (that had the funeral for them) SHALL BE ASHAMED. A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD (YHVH) that rendereth recompence to his enemies. Before she (Zion) travailed, she brought forth (Yeshua); before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child (Yeshua). Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for AS SOON AS ZION TRAVAILED, SHE BROUGHT FORTH HER CHILDREN."

Just as Zion has Old-Covenant children that are adopted into God's family, there are children of the New Covenant that are adopted into God's family too. Eph. 1:3-7 says, "Blessed be THE GOD AND FATHER OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto THE ADOPTION OF CHILDREN BY JESUS CHRIST TO HIMSELF, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. IN WHOM WE HAVE REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS."

> > you neglected the "long life issue

John 3:15 says, "whosoever believeth in him (Yeshua, Son of God) should not perish, but have eternal life." Shalom and agape

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Re: Why does sin require a blood sacrifice?
I have enjoyed your web site for quite some time now. Thank you!

If you have some time, could you help me understand this question or point me somewhere to look? It is not the usual topic you address on your site.

Why does sinning require a blood sacrifice?

I understand that Christ has provided the sacrifice in our place, but why is a death required in the first place? Or was death not necessarily required, but sort of covered any sin, regardless of its magnitude? I remember a verse about laying down your life for a friend, and there being no greater gift then that. I guess being sorry or doing something good just doesn't cut it sometimes (or all the time). The damage is done. I have asked several people about this, but have never been completely satisfied with the answers. One answer is that there is some kind of spiritual (or physical) "law", but I haven't yet found anything in the Bible to support this. Rather like a negative event requires an opposite positive event to counterbalance it. Like in physics. And so when we pray for our enemies, we want them to "see the light", but also to counterbalance the negative activities they are doing with positive actions from us. So if we pray for something bad to happen to them, that is 2 negatives, not just one.

Any understanding on this would be much appreciated! Thanks.

My reply

I'm glad you enjoy my site.

The Lord made the plans before Adam was put on the Earth. Man didn't get a say in the matter. Our duty is to obey God, for whatever he says goes.

There is a chance that the creation of man was in order for God to show Satan that God is perfectly just in consigning Satan and the fallen angels to their prison. If man, smaller and weaker than angels, created without being able to see God, could still obey God, then God is perfectly just in sentencing Satan to prison. He could see God and failed to obey him.

His word in Heb 9:22 is plain. It says, "almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and WITHOUT SHEDDING OF BLOOD IS NO REMISSION."

The type of the Lamb of God shedding his blood for the remission of sins was set up when the law was given and the Tabernacle set up. There was a "first testament" and a "new testament." Animal sacrifices were when the "first testament" was in force. At Christ's death, the "new testament" went into effect.

FIRST TESTAMENT AND NEW TESTAMENT

Heb. 9:11-18 explains a lot. It says, "Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this cause HE IS THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the FIRST TESTAMENT, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For WHERE A TESTAMENT IS, THERE MUST ALSO OF NECESSITY BE THE DEATH OF THE TESTATOR. FOR A TESTAMENT (A LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT) IS OF FORCE AFTER MEN ARE DEAD: OTHERWISE IT IS OF NO STRENGTH AT ALL WHILE THE TESTATOR LIVETH. Whereupon neither the FIRST TESTAMENT was dedicated without blood." Agape

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