Pro and Con 876

Posted 3-5-02

Asteroids May Have Caused Rash of Craters
3-4-02 LA Times A12 - A team of scientists trying to understand a bombardment of space debris that resurfaced the Earth 3.9 billion years ago suggests that the cataclysmic event was caused by asteroids and not by comets.

Scientists have been trying to determine what caused the event, which was far more violent than the upheavals that contributed to the demise of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. The earlier occurrence left Earth marred by tens of thousands of impact craters and scarred Mercury, Venus, the moon and Mars with thousands of craters....

A new analysis of chemical traces left on samples of cratered moon rock suggests that the objects were stony and more like asteroids, not carbon-rich objects like comets, said Barbara Cohen, a planetary scientist at the University of Hawaii. It's possible, she said, that a large asteroid broke up in the asteroid belt and showered the inner solar system with debris.
Cataclysm 3.9 Billion Years Ago Caused By Asteroids, Not Comets
American Geophysical Union. 3-4-2
...This same bombardment, according to Kring and Cohen, affected the entire inner solar system, producing thousands of impact craters on Mercury, Venus, the Moon and Mars. Most of the craters in the southern hemisphere of Mars were produced during this event.

On Earth, at least 22,000 impact craters with diameters greater than 20 kilometers [12 miles] were produced, including about 40 impact basins with diameters of about 1,000 kilometers [600 miles] in diameter. Several impact craters of about 5,000 kilometers [3,000 miles] were created, as well, each one exceeding the dimensions of Australia, Europe, Antarctica or South America. The thousands of impacts occurred in a very short period of time, potentially producing globally significant environmental change at an average rate of once per 100 years.

Also, the event is recorded in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, as witnessed by the meteoritic fragments that have survived to fall to Earth today...

My note

I think it was a planet instead of "a large asteroid," but this is the best description from the scientific world that I have seen. I don't know about the timing, but feel sure that Satan's planet Rahab was split apart forming our Asteroid Belt as well as peppering the planets with asteroid impacts.

Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (YHVH of hosts, Isa. 44:6, i.e., Christ); awake, as in the ancient (qedem, absolutely the fore part or time, antiquity, aforetime) days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (chatsab, split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon?" (Satan).

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Re: Pro & Con # 875
I was aghast at the hate mail you have recently received and posted on pro-con # 875. Your graciousness and courage are a candle in the darkness. The viscousness of these personal attacks on you are only proof that you are doing something right and true and wonderful.

God is blessing us by blessing you with the profound understanding you have been given in the study of His Word. Thank You

My reply

I appreciate your kind words of encouragement. I know that if these two Jews are not saved, they will at least know that they have been told the truth. They can't claim that they had no chance.

2Pe 3:16 says, "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." There are also some that count themselves learned that outsmart themselves. It could be funny if it weren't so deadly serious. The life of their soul is at stake.

I did a search in e-sword to find Eze 18:4's, "the soul that sinneth, it shall die." It also found Pro 8:36, which says, "But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: ALL THEY THAT HATE ME LOVE DEATH."

I looked up Prov. 8 in Artscroll's Stone Edition of the Tanach (Old Testament). Under the symbol of wisdom, we find some interesting things that seem to fit no other but the Son of God. Verses 22-36 say, "HASHEM (YHVH) made ME as the beginning of his way, before His deeds of yore. I HAVE REIGNED FOR ALL TIME: from the beginning, from before [there was] the earth.When there were no depths, I was formed; when there were no pools rich with water, before the mountains were settled, before the hills, I was formed; when He had not yet made the earth and its environs or the first dust of the inhabited world. When He prepared the heaven, I was there; when He etched out the globe upon the face of the depths; when He strengthened the heavens above; when he fortified the wellsprings of the depths; when He set for the sea its limit and the waters would not transgress His word; WHEN HE FORGED THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH; I WAS THEN HIS NURSLING, I was then His delight every day, playing before Him at all times, playing in the inhabited areas of His earth, my delights are with the sons of man. AND NOW, CHILDREN, LISTEN TO ME; praiseworthy are those who HEED MY WAYS. Harken unto discipline and grow wise and you will not reject [wisdom]. Praiseworthy is the person who listens to me, to hasten to my doors every day, to guard the doorposts of my entranceways. For ONE WHO FINDS ME FINDS LIFE and elicits favor from HASHEM (YHVH). BUT ONE WHO SINS AGAINST ME DESPOILS HIS SOUL; ALL WHO HATE ME LOVE DEATH."

Hebrews 1:1-10 in the Complete Jewish Bible says, "In days gone by, God spoke in many and varied ways to the Fathers through the prophets. But now, in the acharit-hayamim (last days), he has spoken to us through (en, IN) HIS SON , to whom he has given ownership of everything and through whom he created the universe. THIS SON IS the radiance of the Sh'khinah, THE VERY EXPRESSION OF GOD'S ESSENCE, upholding all that exists by his powerful word; and after he had, through himself, made purification for sins, he sat down at the RIGHT HAND of Hag'dulah Bam'romim (the Majesty on high). So he has become much better than angels, and the name God has given him is superior to theirs. For to which of the angels did God ever say,


Also, God never said of any angel,


And again, when God brings his Firstborn into the world, he says,

"Let all God's angels worship him."

Indeed, when speaking of angels, he says,

"...who makes his angels winds and his servants fiery flames";

but to the Son, he says,

"YOUR THRONE, O GOD, WILL LAST FOREVER AND EVER; YOU RULE YOUR KINGDOM WITH A SCEPTER OF EQUITY; you have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. Therefore, O GOD, your God has anointed you with the oil of joy in preference to your companions"."

Psa. 2:7 (Stone Ed.) ties in with God's message to the Hebrews. It says, "HASHEM (YHVH) said to me, "YOU ARE MY SON, I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU THIS DAY."

Whether we read the Old Testament or the New Testament, we find this truth. We are obligated to believe it. If we don't accept the SON of God, we are without excuse. God could say, "Haven't you read my book?" Agape

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Re: 10th of Nisan Part 1
The following Time Chart was sent in by Prophecy Update reader Miriam Howard from:

My reply

(4,000 Years) (2,000Yr) (1,000Yr)

> > The question becomes, what is the correct starting point for this 2,000 year period and how is it calculated? In our book , the Coming Spiritual Earthquake (printed edition), we show there are a few possibilities on when Israel rejected their Messiah. In the Lord's first sermon he proclaimed the "acceptable year" of the Lord (Luke 4:18-19) and Israel rejected the one who could restore them. Best calculations of when this occurred point to the Spring of 28 A.D., since Jesus began his ministry with his baptism on September 18, 27 A.D.

> > (Feast of Trumpets)
> > This date is an important date, as will be further developed below, since Rabbis believe that 28 A.D. was a Sabbatical year. If Jesus began his ministry in the Fall of 27 A.D., then his crucifixion would have occurred in the Spring 3 years later on Wednesday March 28, 31 A.D.

I think Jesus' baptism was near his birthday (Tishri 1) in 26 AD and his crucifixion on "the preparation of the passover" (Jn. 19:14) (Nisan 13) in 30 AD.

In my head, there is no way that the Crucifixion could have been in 31 AD. When Jesus was baptized, it was "the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar (Luke 3:1). Tiberius became Co-Rex with Augustus in 12 AD. Tiberius was sole ruler over the Holy Land from that time on, Augustus busying himself with other parts of the realm. Upon the death of Augustus in 14 AD, Tiberius became Sole-Rex.

If we take 12 AD as year #1, the 15th year is 26 AD, which should be the right way to figure it, because Tiberius was the only ruler over the Holy Land in 12 AD. Tishri 1, 26 AD to Nisan 13, 30 AD is about 3 1/2 years, the time of Jesus' ministry.

If we were to ignore the fact that Augustus was not actually ruling the Holy Land in 12 AD and call 14 AD year #1, the 15th year would be 28 AD. Adding 3 1/2 years to Tishri 1 in 28 AD would be 32 AD, not 31.

> > The Crucifixion of Jesus was the ultimate rejection by Israel of their Messiah. If this is the correct starting point for the 2,000 years mentioned in Hosea 6:2, then let's see when this ends.

> > Remember we need to first convert the 2,000 Solar Years into 2,000 Prophetic Years:
2,000 x 360 = 720,000 Days
720,000 = 1,971.25 Years
> > If we then add the 1,971.25 Prophetic Years to 31 A.D., we arrive at the first half of the year 2002:

I don't figure with so-called prophetic years in Dan. 9, because it comes out right using ordinary solar years. Martin Anstey, in The Romance of Bible Chronology, told us that he found an 82-year mistake in the period of the Persian Kings. BC 536 - 82 = BC 454. Daniel's 483 years - 454 + 1 (no zero year) = 30 AD--right on the nose.

From 30 AD to 70 AD, when Jerusalem and the temple were burned, is the 40-year probation and testing, the meaning of the number 40. in Eze. 4:6. It says, "thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year." Since there is no doubt about the destruction being in 70 AD, we can subtract the 40 years and come to 30 AD, when their probation started.

Everything fits. The temple was begun in BC 19/20. It had been 46 years in building at the 1st passover of Jesus' ministry (Jn. 2:20), 27 AD, which was the Jewish 3787, a Sabbatic Year (3787 divided by 7 comes out even). Josephus said that the last Jubilee in the land was in the fall of 27 AD. That would have been when 3788 started, so he was counting the Jubilee as starting on Tishri 10, the Day of Atonement, when it was announced.

I think Jesus was about 30 years old when baptized in 26 AD. Thus, his birth would have been on Tishri 1 in BC 5. The wise men may have brought Jesus the gifts that symbolized his being deity (gold), the High Priest (frankincense), and his suffering (myrrh, which has to be crushed to bring forth its fragrance) in BC 3. That would tally with Herod having boys of 2 and under killed in Bethlehem. Herod would have died before the eclipse of Jan. 10, BC 1.

The 4000 years that started when Adam was expelled from the Garden of Eden would have ended in BC 3. To figure 2000 years from then: 2000 - 3 + 1 (no zero year) = 1998. It seems that the 4 years of the parable of the barren fig tree (Luke 13:6-9) may have started then. 1998 + 4 = 2002.

> > Over the years, we have attempted to understand Newton's interpretation of the 49 year period that marks the time of the Second Coming. To review the three scenarios that have been developed over the years:
> > 1) 11/29/47 - U.N. resolution to give the Holy Land back to the Jews, ending in 1996.
2) 5/14/48 - Establishment of Israel as a Nation, ending in 1997.
3) 1/23/50 - Date Jerusalem was declared the capital of Israel, ending in 1999 and by another count in 2000.

> > A friend of our ministry recently discovered new insight into how the "49 years" should be counted. According to Vendyl Jones, the Rabbis continuously count from the time of Joshua and the first Sabbatical year (Leviticus 25:1-7).

> > Using the reckoning developed by the Rabbis, 1952 was the first Sabbatical year after 1948. In other words, 1952 (5713 on the Jewish calendar) would be the starting point for counting the 49 year period since 1952 was the first Sabbatical year after 1948. This calculation can be verified if we use the Lord's first sermon in Isaiah 61:1-2, where Jesus proclaims the "acceptable year of the Lord". This is believed to have taken place around the year 28 AD and if we count Sabbath years from here, 1952 was a Sabbatical year.

5713 divided by 7 does not come out even. Therefore, I don't think it is a Sabbatic Year. 5712 and 5719 would be Sabbatic Years. 5712 + 49 = 5761 (2000/2001), which we have passed. However, if we add 50 years, which could be a Jubilee year, we come to 5762 (2001/2002). This sounds possible.

> > Newton felt that Daniel's prophecy did not mention merely a 49-year period of time; but rather referred to a specific period of 7 Sabbatical years! If this is correct, then time is just about up! We are currently in the Jewish year of 5762. We are at the end of the "seven weeks" and what would be the proper action and of the highest nature for which a Jubilee can be kept, but the Rapture of the Bride of Christ?

I hope she is right about this. We sure seem to be close.

> > Keep looking UP! And remember to keep praying:
"And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For like a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth." "Watch ye therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." Luke 21:34-36

Amen to this.

(Nothing in this part about Nisan 10. I'll have to read the other 3 parts.) Agape

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I want to give you an url that you just might not have. I found this page to use both the 360 day calculation and the 365 day calculation. I hope this helps --

Thank you for replying earlier.
by D.L. Osmanson
Adamic Timeline Page 1

Bible Timeline with Numerical Code

L Base Years Raw Date Great Flood Christ' Birth Historical Events

Y 0 360 6844 4152 BC 1656 To F 4156 To JC Adam sins and begins to die #1
N 130 360 6974 4022 BC 1526 To F 4026 To JC SETH BORN #2
Y 156 360 7000 3996 BC 1500 To F 4000 To JC TO JESUS CHRIST
N 235 360 7079 3917 BC 1421 To F 3921 To JC ENOS BORN #3
N 236 360 7080 3916 BC 1420 To F 3920 To JC MEN BEGAN TO CALL UPON GOD
N 325 360 7169 3827 BC 1331 To F 3831 To JC CAINAN BORN #4
N 395 360 7239 3757 BC 1261 To F 3761 To JC MAHALALEEL BORN #5
N 460 360 7304 3692 BC 1196 To F 3696 To JC JARED BORN #6
Y 622 360 7466 3530 BC 1034 To F 3534 To JC ENOCH BORN #7
N 687 360 7531 3465 BC 969 To F 3469 To JC METHUSELAH BORN #8
N 874 360 7718 3278 BC 782 To F 3282 To JC LAMECH BORN #9
N 930 360 7774 3222 BC 726 To F 3226 To JC ADAM DIED #1
N 987 360 7831 3165 BC 669 To F 3169 To JC ENOCH TRANSLATED #7
N 1042 360 7886 3110 BC 614 To F 3114 To JC SETH DIED #2
N 1056 360 7900 3096 BC 600 To F 3100 To JC NOAH BORN #10
N 1140 360 7984 3012 BC 516 To F 3016 To JC ENOS DIED #3
Y 1156 360 8000 2996 BC 500 To F 3000 To JC TO JESUS CHRIST
N 1235 360 8079 2917 BC 421 To F 2921 To JC CAINAN DIED #4
N 1290 360 8134 2862 BC 366 To F 2866 To JC MAHALALEEL DIED
#5 N 1422 360 8266 2730 BC 234 To F 2734 To JC JARED DIED #6
Y 1536 360 8380 2616 BC 120 To F 2620 To JC GOD PRONOUNCES JUDGMENT
N 1558 360 8402 2594 BC 98 To F 2598 To JC SHEM BORN #11
N 1651 360 8495 2501 BC 5 To F 2505 To JC LAMECH DIED #9
Y 1656 360 8500 2496 BC 0 To F 2500 To JC METHUSELAH DIED #8
Y 1656 360 8500 2496 BC 0 From 2500 To JC UNIVERSAL FLOOD BEGAN
N 1657 360 8501 2495 BC 1 From 2499 To JC EARTH DRIED
N 2646 360 9490 1506 BC 990 From 1510 To JC THE EXODUS

3332 360 10176 820 BC 1676 From 824 To JC THE GREAT EARTHQUAKE
N 3384 360 10228 768 BC 1728 From 772 To JC UZZIAH REIGN ENDED
N 3384 360 10228 768 BC 1728 From 772 To JC IN THE YEAR KING UZZIAH DIED
N 3384 360 10228 768 BC 1728 From 772 To JC JOTHAM STARTS REIGN
N 3400 360 10244 752 BC 1744 From 756 To JC JOTHAM REIGN ENDED
N 3400 360 10244 752 BC 1744 From 756 To JC AHAZ STARTS REIGN

N 3416 360 10260 736 BC 1760 From 740 To JC AHAZ REIGN ENDED
N 3416 360 10260 736 BC 1760 From 740 To JC HEZEKIAH STARTS REIGN
Y 3430 360 10274 722 BC 1774 From 726 To JC Shadow back 10 Degrees

This is when the earth went from a 360 day year to a 365 day year.

Shadow back 10 Degrees . . . 3430 - 3431 . . . A year from the Shadow

N 3431 365 10275 721 BC 1775 From 725 To JC A year from the Shadow
N 3445 365 10289 707 BC 1789 From 711 To JC HEZEKIAH REIGN ENDED

Y 4156 365 11000 5 BC 2500 From 0 To JC BIRTH OF JESUS CHRIST

Y 4190 365 11034 30 AD 2534 From 34 From DEATH OF JESUS CHRIST

My reply


> > Y 1656 360 8500 2496 BC 0 From 2500 To JC UNIVERSAL FLOOD BEGAN

When trying to figure out if a chonologer's work is sound, I first check their year for Noah's Flood. Here, Osmanson has 1656 (AH, year of man), which is correct. Almost all chronologers agree on this date. Then I looked at the corresponding BC date, 2496 BC, and I don't understand that date. I have BC 2387 (109-year difference). I take a look at the Adam to the Flood section of my Bible Chronology Chart. Here is what I have:

0 AH = 4043 BC = -283 on Jewish calendar. Adam created on last day of 0 AH. New moon was Fri, 17 min, 2 parts, after 4 PM. Since new moon was after noon, New Year Day would have been shifted to Sat., when the Lord rested the 7th day.
1 A.H. = 4043/42 B.C. Beginning of the 40-year Dispensation of Innocence. According to Jewish tradition, Adam was created on Tishri 1, but it seems to me that he was created Friday, September 18, equal to the Jewish Elul 29, the Preparation for the Feast of Trumpets. It could have been just minutes before Tishri 1 began at sunset. I think that God rested from creation Saturday, September 19, equal to the Jewish Tishri 1, the Jewish Sabbath, New Year and Feast of Trumpets. Thus with creation finished, the new "kosmos" began to operate on the Jewish New Year that began Friday evening.
(4042 AH = 2/1 BC, 4043 AH = 1 BC/1 AD, there is no zero year)
40 AH = 4004/3 BC = -243 Jewish. Adam expelled from the Garden of Eden. Beginning of the first 1000-year Day, the 2000-year Age of Gentiles, and the 1616-year Dispensation of Conscience.
130 AH = 3913 BC Seth born when Adam was 130 years old (Genesis 5:3)
235 AH = 3808 BC Enos born when Seth was 105 (Gen 5:6)
282 AH = 3762/61 BC = -1 Jewish
283 AH = 3761/60 BC = +1 Jewish, their calendar began Oct 7, 3761 BC
325 AH Cainan born when Enos was 90 (Gen 5:9)
395 AH Mahalaleel born when Cainan was 70 (Gen 5:12)
460 AH Jared born when Mahalaleel was 65 (Gen 5:15)
622 AH = 3421 BC Enoch born when Jared was 162 (Gen 5:18)
DOUBLE CHECK: "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam" (Jude 14). None are left out. None can be added.
687 AH = 3356 BC Methuselah born when Enoch was 65 (Gen 5:21)
874 AH Lamech born when Methuselah was 187 (Gen 5:25)
930 AH = 3113 BC Adam died when 930 (Gen 5:5). (He would have passed on the information the Lord gave him to Lamech, who would have passed it on to Noah.)
987 AH = Enoch's Rapture when 365 years old, 669 years before the Flood
1040 AH = 3003 BC. Beginning of second 1000-year Day
1056 AH = 2987 BC Noah born when Lamech was 182 (Gen 5:28)
1558 AH Shem born (Gen 11:10). (Noah born 1056 AH. He was 600 when flood began. Flood was in 1656 AH. Shem was 100 two yrs after Flood, so was 98 when Flood began. Therefore, he was born 1558 AH when Noah was 502)
1651 AH Lamech died at 777 (Gen 5:31), 5 yrs before the Flood
1656 AH = 2387 BC The Flood after Methuselah died at 969 (Gen 7:27), when Noah was 600 (Gen 7:6).
Beginning of the 427-year Dispensation of Human Government
DOUBLE CHECK:Methuselah lived 969 years and then the Flood came, Genesis 5:27. (687 AH + 969 = 1656 AH).
DOUBLE CHECK: Noah was 600 yrs old when the Flood came, Gen 7:6. (1056 AH + 600 = 1656 AH).
DOUBLE CHECK: Adam lived 930 yrs. Methuselah lived 969 yrs. Their lives overlapped 243 yrs. (930 + 969 = 1899 - 1656 to Flood = 243, making any changes difficult)

Next, I took a look at Jesus' birthday and crucifixion dates, BC 5 and 30 AD. I agree with those.

> > This is when the earth went from a 360 day year to a 365 day year.

> > Shadow back 10 Degrees . . . 3430 - 3431 . . . A year from the Shadow

I doubt that the length of the year changed in Hezekiah's time. We weren't told that the length of the year changed on Joshua's Long Day, which was about a whole day. These 2 events could have been local miracles. God set the length of the year in Gen. 1:14, and I haven't found any place in Scripture that says he changed it....Agape

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From: Rich
Shalom. Indeed, Kabbalah teaches there is a 72 letter name for God. And we do know what the letters for this name are, but we do not know what the vowels are.

But the assertion that YHVH is not a name is completely false. In fact, the Torah quotes God as saying this is His name.

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Length of Trib as seen from Heaven
The 7 years here will seem to take just slightly over 1 second (1.024 seconds to be exact) in heaven, at the rate of 1 day in heaven as 365,000 days on earth. Time probably seems to stop there, or pass much differently from here.

1 second....Just enough time for a quick glance.

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Re: Dust off your feet?
where do you draw the line? At what point do you decide to kick the dust off your feet. I cannot believe the abuse people are freely inflicting. These are supposed to be Christians. (or Godly people) There fruits are revealed. I pray that God will bring them to repentance and compassion, besides knowledge of the TRUTH. I have to ask the Lord to forgive me also. When I read what some people write to you I become angry. Not sure why I take it so personally.

I have to remember that what ever people do or say to us they are saying it and doing it to Jesus who lives in us. The enemies of God do not like you. PRAISE THE LORD!

What does Rev.2:9 mean, or who is it referring to? What are your thoughts on this?

My reply

I don't know about kicking the dust from my feet. I put several e-mails in the Deleted Items folder and told Ed that enough was enough. However, the next day I found myself in the Deleted Items folder when I didn't aim to be in it. Saw one of the e-mails and decided to give him another chance. Maybe the Lord knows something I don't know. I want to follow his leading wherever it goes.

Their barbs do not bother me. That washes off my back like water off a duck's back. I try to see beyond that, and think about what this individual needs to know. Under his bluster, maybe he is searching for the truth, but doesn't want anyone to know it. Everyone deserves a chance.

Rev. 2:9 says, "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

Rev. 2:9 is reinforced in 3:9. It says, "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

It seems that Rev. 2:9 and 3:9 are talking about what we call British Israelism, claiming that the 10 lost tribes of Israel migrated to England and the USA. I don't believe that. Agape

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Re: a question for Rich

Please ask "Rich" about Gen:22 (the ram sacrifice) the Akeida. This is the most important reading for the Jews. and it is read at Passover. What more proof do they need.

The sacrifice - is the Olah
The burnt offering - It must be totally consumed
It must be freely given
It must be filled with Joy in giving otherwise the sacrifice is not accepted.
The smoke of the sacrifice had to go straight up to heaven.
It could not be blown in any direction or the sacrifice was not accepted.
They believe that Isaac was 37 years old when he was offered up as a sacrifice by Abraham who was 130 yrs at that time.

We believe the Ram = substitute for the Messiah
The thicket = substitue for sins of the people
in the future = Gen 22:15 The Lord will be seen (The banner lifted up on the mountain

Jews believe 2 horns of the ram = 2 Trumpets
1st Trump which = betrothal,
Last Trump = Marriage (Exod 19: )

The Left Horn of the ram = ( 1st Trump) - signifies God entering into betrothal with Israel The Right Horn = (Last Trump) signifies the horn blown to herald the Messianic kingdom (the dead being raised) These dead will rise from the graves and roll all the way back to Israel.

When the Jews asked the Rabbi how could this Right horn be blown when the ram was totally consumed The rabbi himself was baffled. His answer was that God must have resurrected the total ram. HELLO !!!!!!!!!!!

Of course we know that (Jesus was the passover lamb who was resurrected)

Gen 22: verse 14 and Abraham called the name of that place Adonai Yireh which means the Lord will be seen. The banner being lifted up on the mountain is Yeshua Isa;11, 10

also Isa:18,3 resurrection of the dead
All dwellers in the earth - Righteous dead
All inhabitant on the earth - righteous living

Numbers 10: 1
make 2 silver trumpets. How did U call the Nobles up? u blew 1 silver trumpet.
TST = Trumpet Shofar Trumpet =2 trumpets
STS = Shofar Trumpet shofar = 1 silver trumpet only blown on Roshana Feast of trumpets
If only 1 silver trumpet blown the nobles are gathered
Isa:13 2-4 nobles entering in
I would love to see how "Rich" explains about the rams horns. WHY DO THEY CONTINUALLY BLOW THE SHOFAR IF THE RAM HAS BEEN TOTAL CONSUMED.????????????????? there is no purpose!!!!!!!!! regards

My reply


> > Jews believe 2 horns of the ram = 2 Trumpets
1st Trump which = betrothal,
Last Trump = Marriage (Exod 19: )

I agree with this. At the 1st Trump, the Bride group will be caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture. At the last trump, a great multitude will be caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord. Of the 2nd group, 144,000 Israelites will join the Bride group, and then the Marriage of the Lamb will take place. The rest of the great multitude will attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb along with the Bride and Bridegroom.

> > The Left Horn of the ram = ( 1st Trump) - signifies God entering into betrothal with Israel The Right Horn = (Last Trump) signifies the horn blown to herald the Messianic kingdom (the dead being raised)

1st Trump = I Thess. 4:13-18. It says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (Old English for precede) them which are asleep (the dead in Christ). For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then WE which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

In this group are both the wise virgins of Israel and the wise virgins of the Church. Heb 11:40 says, "God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect."

Last Trump = I Cor. 15:50-53. It says, "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and WE shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." Agape

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