Pro and Con 877

Posted 3-8-02

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there is a new photo of comet Ikeya-Zhang on today's Astronomy Picture of the Day. It is a lovely sight, shown currently against the background of the constellation Pisces.

Watching, and praying always to be accounted worthy to escape. Love to you and family

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Thanks. I'm amazed at how blue it is.

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From: theservant. Re: Every knee should bow
I have written three Bible tracts thus far. One day after reading over my third tract " JESUS - God's Bible Code" I noticed one of the scripture verses I had used. Philippians 2 : 9 - 11 , reminds me of Daniel 3:15, " fall down and worship the image."

Every knee should bow now to Jesus, the Savior of the world, but soon they will bow. There were two tower on 9-11- 2001, almost everyone was surprised that they bowed when tested by fire.

The bowing of the towers was a wake up call to the saints to get busy spreading the word, night is coming when no man can work. This country, nay the world, will never be the same after the towers bowed. I hope the world is listening.

Agape, theservant
Lord Jesus is the Toll-Free Bridge to God

PS: I didn't expect to see the towers on you site before I decided to write about Philippians 2: 9 - 11. The picture look great.

I can hardly wait to see what will be written on your Pro and Con 888. I am sure you will be led by the Holy Spirit .

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I posted the picture because of the huge cross formed by the space between the towers and the horizontal light streak. The photographer sure got an amazing picture.

The day the towers in New York fell could be a type of the destruction of the towers in Babylon, Iraq on the Day of God's Wrath. Prophecies do seem to cast their shadows before them. Isa 30:25 says, "there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall." The water will be everywhere. The asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will impact the Mediterranean (Zeph. 2:4,5). The asteroid of Rev. 8:10 and 18:21 will destroy Babylon. The impacts will cause this globe to turn upside down. There will be tsunamis. Isa 24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof." We do not want to be on Earth that day. Eze. 38:20 says that every wall will fall, so every tower in the world will fall at the same time that the completed Tower of Babel will fall.

Rev. 16:17-20 says of this day, "there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found."

> > Philippians 2 : 9 - 11

Phil. 2:5-11 says, "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men (i.e., he existed before he was in Jesus' body): And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

This reminds me of Isa 45:21-23: "I the LORD (YHVH)? and there is no God else beside ME; A JUST GOD AND A SAVIOUR; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto ME(YHVH, GOD AND A SAVIOUR, i.e., the LORD Jesus Christ, the YHVH Yahshua Mashiach) every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear." Agape

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From: Rich Pope
Re: A Question for Rich (posed by a reader)

Shalom. First of all, placing my name "Rich" in quotes is silly for that is my name. My name is Richard actually, and my last name is Pope.

Secondly, I left Christianity in order to convert to Judaism. But the day before I was going to start my conversion classes (conservative), I discovered that unless I converted Orthodox, my conversion would not be upheld in Israel or by God. And if I DID convert Orthodox, I would have to leave my wife (a Christian). I refused.

Lastly, the question you asked is very long and has a lot for me to look at. So please afford me some time to dig around and give you my answer. I'm not sure how long it will take but I will try my best to get back with you as quickly as I can.

I do however think that these types of questions are not what Marilyn had in mind with this website. I understand I am the one who provoked this line of questioning but I'm not sure if it suits the purposes of End Times discussions. But I'll leave that up to Marilyn since it is her forum and she makes the rules.

So, enjoy your week. Enjoy Sunday and all the preparations for Easter. While I prepare for Passover, I'll be thinking about all of you. Rich

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> > unless I converted Orthodox, my conversion would not be upheld in Israel or by God. And if I DID convert Orthodox, I would have to leave my wife (a Christian). I refused.

You must be feeling frustrated, but you have made the right decision at this point. Know in your heart that it doesn't matter what Israel accepts or doesn't accept. Israel is the chosen nation, but she is not God. She is in trouble right now because she does not have a right standing with God herself, so she is in no position to advise you. Her ship needs a pilot. She will come around, but not until the Day of God's Wrath. Things have to get a whole lot worse before they get better.

Whether you are saved or lost is between you and God--no one else. Your soul is saved or lost because of what you think and say, and God knows your every thought and action. You can't be saved by obeying Torah. No one has ever been saved that way. Isa 64:5 (Stone)says, "We have all become defiled and all our righteousness is like a worn-out garment; we all wither like a leaf; and like a wind, our sins carry us off." Psa 14:3 (Stone) "EVERYONE HAS GONE ASTRAY together they have become depraved; there is no doer of good, there is NOT EVEN ONE." Rom 3:10 (CJB) echoes, "As the Tanakh put it, "THERE IS NO ONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE."

The Torah condemned the world. All are lost in sin. Then why was the Torah given? First, so we would know what sin is. Second, it was a schoolmaster to bring us to Yeshua, the Jewish Messiah, the Saviour. Gal 3:24-26 (CJB) says, "the Torah functioned as a custodian until the Messiah came, so that we might be declared righteous on the ground of trusting and being faithful. But now that the time for this trusting faithfulness has come, we are no longer under a custodian. For in union with the Messiah, you are all children of God through this trusting faithfulness."

Adam, Seth, Enoch, Noah and Abraham were justified by faith. The Torah had not yet been given. Gal. 3:10,11 (CBJ) says, "everyone who depends on legalistic observance of Torah commands lives under a CURSE, since it is written, "CURSED is everyone who does not keep on doing everything written in the Scroll of the Torah." Now it is evident that no one comes to be declared righteous by God through legalism, since "THE PERSON WHO IS RIGHTEOUS WILL ATTAIN LIFE BY TRUSTING AND BEING FAITHFUL."

Gal. 3:13,14 says, "The Messiah redeemed us from the CURSE pronounced in the Torah by becoming CURSED on our behalf; for the Tanakh says, "Everyone who hangs from a stake comes under a CURSE." Yeshua the Messiah did this so that in union with him the Gentiles might receive the blessing announced to Avraham, so that through trusting and being faithfuyl, we might receive what was promised, namely, the Spirit."

The whole world was lost before the Messiah came, but now, the whole world can be redeemed from the CURSE by their faith in the Messiah. Yeshua took sin out of the way as an issue in salvation. Now, it is "THE MESSIAH: WHOSE SON IS HE?" (Mt. 22:42; CJB).

Prov. 30:4 (Stone) asks the question, "WHAT IS HIS (GOD'S) NAME, AND WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME?" Mt. 22:42 (CJB) asks, "THE MESSIAH: WHOSE SON IS HE?" Isa. 7:14 (Stone) says, "my Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the maiden will become pregnant and bear A SON, AND SHE WILL NAME HIM IMMANUEL." Mt. 1:23 (CJB) says, "The virgin will conceive and bear A SON, and they will call him 'Immanu El." (The name means, "GOD IS WITH US.") When Yosef awoke he did what the angel of ADONAI had told him to do--he took Miryam home to be his wife, but he did not have sexual relations with her until she had given birth to a son, and HE NAMED HIM YESHUA."

Salvation turns out to be very simple, not a lifetime of trying to be good enough to earn it and then failing in the end. All we have to do is sincerely accept Yeshua as our Saviour and keep trusting in him to save us. Rom. 10:9,10 (CJB) says, "if you acknowledge publicly with your mouth that Yeshua is Lord and trust in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be delivered. For with the heart one goes on trusting and thus continues toward righteousness, while with the mouth one keeps on making public acknowledgement and thus continues toward deliverance."

You are very lucky to have a Christian wife that you love very much. She is probably praying that the Lord will draw you unto Himself. I know I am. You are at a fork in the road. One way, you can look toward the Lord of life. The other way, you can look toward the fiery furnace. What will it be?

In Mt. 7:13 (CJB), the Messiah said, "Go in through the narrow gate; for the gate that leads to destruction is wide and the road broad, and many travel it; but it is a narrow gate and a hard road that leads to life, and only a few find it." I sincerely hope you find it. Shalom and agape

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Re: Check out this site. Would you please review and comment on these views of the identity of end time Babylon? Thanks

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It's good to hear from you again.

> > Two Important Questions Concerning End Time Prophecy, by Dr. David R. Reagan
Will the Ark of the Covenant be Found?
Is Modern Day Babylon the Babylon of the End Times?

> > The Search for the Ark of the Covenant
> > book by Randall Price has helped to sharpen the debate concerning the fate of the Ark. It is entitled In Search of Temple Treasures...
> > Price devotes an entire chapter to a third possible fate of the Ark (in addition to destruction and hiding). It is the fate that I personally believe to be the most likely namely, that the Ark was raptured to Heaven before the destruction of Solomon's Temple.
> > I hold this view because the Apostle John states that he saw the Ark in Heaven (Revelation 11:19). Price argues that the Ark John saw was the heavenly model of the earthly version, and he points to Exodus 25 where Moses was told to construct the Ark according to the Lord's "pattern." But a pattern does not have to be a model. It can be a blueprint or an oral description....

The earthly Ark of the Covenant was constructed after the pattern of the heavenly one. The earthly one does not need to be Raptured for the heavenly one to be seen. It was there all along.

Heb 9:8-24 says, "the first tabernacle...WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them UNTIL THE TIME OF REFORMATION. But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a GREATER AND MORE PERFECT TABERNACLE, NOT MADE WITH HANDS, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place (in Heaven), having obtained eternal redemption for us....for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth...almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. It was therefore necessary that THE PATTERN OF THINGS IN THE HEAVENS should be purified with these; but THE HEAVENLY THINGS THEMSELVES with better sacrifices than these. For CHRIST IS NOT ENTERED INTO THE HOLY PLACES MADE WITH HANDS, WHICH ARE THE FIGURES OF THE TRUE; BUT INTO HEAVEN ITSELF, now to appear in the presence of God for us."

> > The fact of the matter is that the Bible makes it very clear in this verse and in Exodus 40-48 that there will be no Ark of the Covenant in the Millennial Temple. The reason, of course, is that Jesus has fulfilled all the Ark's prophetic implications. Jesus is our Ark of safety, peace, and redemption. We have no need for any other Ark.

It is true that the reality suggested by the Ark of the Covenant and its contents will have already taken place. Two stones will have already hit Earth (Rev. 8:8,10). Jesus is our Ark as in Noah's Ark. He will save us as the Ark saved Noah. Jesus will float us up to Heaven too.

God didn't speak from within the Ark of the Covenant. He spoke from ABOVE THE ARK, as God's throne is above (farther out in space than) the Asteroid Belt. Ex. 25:21,22 says, "thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee. And there I will meet with thee, and I WILL COMMUNE WITH THEE FROM ABOVE THE MERCY SEAT, FROM BETWEEN THE TWO CHERUBIMS" (meaning from between two planets farther out in space than the Asteroid Belt, i.e., from Saturn, between Jupiter and Uranus)."

The Ark of the Covenant held 2 stone tablets with the 10 commandments on them. I think they represented the 2 stone asteroids of Rev. 8:8 and 10 that will impact Earth on the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord. After those asteroids have hit Earth, there is no more need for the Ark of the Covenant and its 2 stones.

Zech. 5:1-4 describes "the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth" as being twice as long as wide, probably a binary asteroid. When the curse is to do its work upon Earth, "every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it (as thou shalt not steal on one stone tablet); and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it (as thou shalt not take the Lord's name in vain on the other stone tablet). "I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief (False Prophet), and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name (Tribulation Pope, who claims infallibility): and it shall remain in the midst of his house (at Babylon in the land of Shinar (Zech. 5:11; Ex. 11:2), and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."

> > The Identity of End Time Babylon
> > The Bible clearly teaches that Babylon will be the end time capital of the Antichrist's world kingdom (read Revelation 17 and 18). The Bible is also full of prophecies about the total destruction of this city (see Isaiah 13 & 47, Jeremiah 50 & 51, and Revelation 17 & 18).
> > But there are some very good reasons to conclude that the Babylon of the end times will not be the same city as ancient Babylon which is located in the modern nation of Iraq.
> > The first reason for drawing this conclusion can be found in Isaiah 13:7-22 where a very clear prophecy is given that Babylon will lose its glory after its defeat by the Medes and that it will cease to be inhabited forever. In accordance with this prophecy, Babylon was conquered by the Medes, and it began a long decline that ultimately resulted in its abandonment to the forces of nature. By the time of Christ, one eyewitness reported that the city was nothing but "mounds and stones and ruins."

Isa 13:19,20 says, "Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there. "

God obliterated Sodom and Gomorrah with an asteroid impact. That has not yet happened to Babylon, but it will. Before Saddam Hussein started rebuilding Babylon, shepherds could be found there. After Saddam rebuilt Nebuchadnezzar's palace, a pagan temple and a guest house, people stayed in the guest house during the annual festival of Babylon he began in 1987. Craftsmen had been there, even lived there during construction. Music would have been played there. None of this will take place after the final destruction of Babylon.

Rev 18:21-23 says, "a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived."

Isa. 47:9 says that the loss of children will come to Babylon in "ONE DAY." Rev. 18:8 says that her plagues will come "in one day." Verse 17 says, "in one hour so great riches is come to nought." In early days, Babylon declined gradually, not in one hour or one day. Her sudden destruction is still future.

Jer. 50:13,15 says, "Because of the wrath of the LORD it shall not be inhabited...for it is the vengeance of the LORD." This Day of God's Wrath is after the last day of this age, on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord.

Jer. 51:42,43 says, "The sea is come up upon Babylon: she is covered with the multitude of the waves thereof. Her cities are a desolation, a dry land, and a wilderness, a land wherein no man dwelleth, neither doth any son of man pass thereby." This has not yet happened. It will happen when this globe is turned upside down on the Day of God's Wrath. Isa 24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof."

> > The second reason for concluding that end time Babylon will be a different city is to be found in the description recorded in Revelation 17. First, the city is referred to as "mystery" Babylon, a clear tip off that the name is being used symbolically (verse 5). Then the passage proceeds to state that the city is the one located on "seven mountains" (verse 9). This seems to be a clear reference to Rome, since it was known at that time as "the city built on seven hills." Finally, in verse 18, the city is identified as "the great city which reigns over the kings of the earth." At the time of the writing of Revelation, this phrase could only refer to Rome.

In Rev. 17, the city is Vatican City in Rome. In Rev. 18, it has been moved to Babylon. Zech. 5:10,11 says, "Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah (largest wheat measure, i.e., the world church)? And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar (Babylon, Gen. 11:2): and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base" (the Tower of Babel).

John saw the harlot church being moved. Rev. 17:3 says, "So he carried me away in the spirit into THE WILDERNESS (Babylon is in the desert): and I SAW A WOMAN SIT upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns." At this time, the 6th head, the Beast, will be in power.

At the beginning of the Tribulation, the five kingdoms that have fallen are the Tower of Babel, Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece and Rome. The Beast, "one is," in power. He is over Ecclesiastical Rome and will be head of the UN and UR. The False Prophet hasn't come to full power yet.

Zec 5:4 says of the binary asteroid that is twice as long as wide, "I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief (the False Prophet that takes over as leader of the UN and UR), and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name (the Tribulation Pope, that claims infallibility): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof." This is the final destruction of Babylon. It is approaching by quick steps today. Agape

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Subject: prophecy question
this question is slightly ajar from what I customarily read in the P&C's. Over and again I hear and understand the reasons why the United States is not mentioned during the trib period. I need help in answering someone who presented me with the question about Why does the U.S. help Isreal?I don't know how to answer with scriptual reference. Could you help?Greatly appriciated. Love in Jesus, AGAPE

My reply

First, God planned it that way. 2Sa 7:23 says, "WHAT ONE (echad, UNITED) NATION (the United States) in the earth is like thy people, even like Israel, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself, and to make him a name, and TO DO FOR YOU GREAT THINGS AND TERRIBLE, for thy land, before thy people, which thou redeemedst to thee from Egypt, from the nations and their gods?" God drove out people that were not worshiping him and gave the land to those that did worship him, both in the US and in Israel. The early settlers here established this country for religious freedom and gave us the motto, In God We Trust.

Second, the Saviour of the whole world came from the descendants of Jacob/Israel. The time will come that he will rule the world from Jerusalem. We are his people spiritually and have an affinity for his people after the flesh.

Third, Christians in this country believe what the Bible has to say. Gen 12:3 says, "I will bless them that bless thee, and CURSE HIM THAT CURSETH THEE: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed." As a nation, we have been blessed because we are pro-Israel. Agape

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Re: Information needed...
Does anyone know about the person or persons behind the web site mentioned below. It contains a lot of Jewish phrases and forms of various doctrines, for talks about the elect remaining here on earth whilst the evil ones raptured. See message below coming from a christian sister. Please reply to me. With thanks
Hi there...there is this here site...haven't had time to check it out...came from a Jewish/kinda lady friend...and thought that this is sorta your thing.

tried to send it via Page, as I have looked at it. All about end times. Etc. Hope you reply!

My reply

On the Web site, Meguiar said, "I have learned that we are called to a realm of greater faith than anything that has been displayed in the Word of Yahweh thus far." Already, that sounds an alarm bell in my head. Paul's faith would be hard to duplicate. How could one have "greater faith" than Paul?

> > What is the PURPOSE of the Overcomer? To be raised up by Jah into the "Kingdom Mandate" by being caught over unto The Throne of Jahwah, and in that, receive the absolute authority of Jahshuwah on this earth. This is what causes the "Restoration of ALL Things" as prophesied by ALL of the Holy Prophets from the beginning. This is the manifesting of Jahshuwah's victory in the Overcomers attained through The Cross, Burial, and being Resurrected unto Jah's right hand, and thereby, through the so anointed Overcomers, making His Enemies His Footstool. The "Last Enemy" to be defeated is of course, DEATH.

I haven't read much, but so far, it sounds like he wants to lead an army of his self-styled "overcomers" to do Christ's work and restore all things while still residing on Earth. Christ is omnipotent. He will do what he says he will do without our trying to form an army here to help him.

> > In my opinion, the doctrines that have done away with the Holy Law (Torah / Teachings and Precepts of Jah), and teachings of a false no obligation "Grace", have been the foremost themes that have not only caused this nation to be the worst cesspool of sin the earth has ever seen, but is that which has caused the very elect to be deceived into the Strong Delusion, making them one with Jezebel's LAWLESS Babylon and this nation's creating of the "anti-Messiah's" New World Order. On top of that are the Priest's of Baal that promise them to be "raptured" out of here before anything bad happens. Not only are these matters the major deceptions that are leading the sheep to the slaughter, but they have led people to accept anyone as being of Jahshuwah, no matter how evil their works may be, just so long as the individual gives some kind of semblance to being a "Believer". This has thus far progressed to the point where a Satan Worshipping President, following Satanic Instructions to bring the entire earth into absolute subjection to Satan's end time "anti-Christ" Beast System, has been exalted into being THE LEADER of the "Christian Coalition", and the "Christian Conservative Right Wing". How anyone could be so gullible is far beyond my ability to comprehend. The "Christians" are indeed being prepared to accept the soon coming False Prophet as a "Man of 'God' " while having NO IDEA that he will ignite a reign of terror on this earth against them as he causes all to worship the Son of Lucifer, or BE PUT TO DEATH!!!

He is against the Rapture and thinks Christians are being prepared to accept the False Prophet. I don't think the wise Philadelphian virgins will even be here when the False Prophet is revealed. Christ will have caught up his Bride in the Pre-Trib Rapture. I don't want to read any more of Larry Meguiar's writings. Agape

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