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Posted 4-11-02

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Re: More news about the planetary alignment
[WHEN WORLDS ALIGN - The Grandest Tour of All!]
http://sao-www.harvard.edu/newtop/grandtour/today.html

Especially look at this page (the May 5 picture – notice the triangle formed by Saturn, Mars, and Venus):
http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/grandtour/allcharts.html

"Earlier, on May 5, something even more spectacular will happen. The bright planets Mars, Saturn and Venus will group together to form a perfect equilateral triangle in the western sky. This dazzling configuration will be visible almost everywhere on Earth. In the Middle East, this pyramid-shaped specter will hang directly above Bethlehem.

Oddly enough, more than 2,000 years ago, this same grouping of planets may have caught the attention of the Biblical Magi. On April 1, 2 B.C., the planets Mars, Saturn and Venus came together to form a perfect equilateral triangle over the city of Bethlehem." (excerpted from
http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/press/alignment_rel.html )
Truly the Lord is coming soon! Agape

My reply

Thanks. Those pictures are great. Agape

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The Temple Institute - Red Heifer Born in Israel! http://www.templeinstitute.org/current-events/RedHeifer/index.html
(IsraelNN.com) In these days of difficulty for the Land of Israel, there is encouraging news as well...

It can now be revealed that less than one month ago, a red heifer was born in Israel. After the heifer's owner contacted the Temple Institute, on Friday, April 5th, 2001, Rabbi Menachem Makover and Rabbi Chaim Richman traveled to the farm where the heifer is located, to inspect and validate her status. The rabbis found her to be kosher and were satisfied that this heifer could indeed be a candidate to be used in the process of purification described in the book of Numbers, chapter 19.

This is a prerequisite for the rebuilding of the Holy Temple.

Tradition records that a red heifer in our generation is a herald of the Messianic era. It is certainly an important development towards the rebuilding of the Holy Temple. Our sages taught that Israel's redemption can be compared to the dawn. "In the beginning, it progresses very slowly...but as it continues, it grows brighter and brighter."

Pictures of the heifer may be viewed at the Temple Institute .

My reply

Thanks. This is great news. Shalom and agape

His reply

Why is this great news? Is it wishful thinking or truly great news?

My reply

It is truly great news. "Tradition records that a red heifer in our generation is a herald of the Messianic era." This is true today. I think the millennial Day of the Lord will begin Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007).

If I remember right, only 9 pure red heifers have been born in Israel down through the ages. It is God's will when they are born without any disqualifying hairs or spots. He is in total control. Some of the blood of the red heifer was to be sprinkled toward the Tabernacle, tent of meeting, seven times. Some of the red heifer's ashes are to be put in spring water. This is to be used for purification. It means that the priests can be purified for service in the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. The significance of this is because the time for this is drawing nigh.

Typically, the red heifer's blood stands for the blood of Yeshua, shed for us. Both deaths portrays a sin offering. Isa. 53:4-6 (Stone) says, "But in truth, it was our ills that he (Yeshua, the arm of the LORD) bore, and our pains that he carried...the chastisement upon him was for our benefit, and through his wounds, we were healed. We have all strayed like sheep, each of us turning his own way, and HASHEM inflicted upon him the iniquity of us all." Yeshua became our Redeemer by his death. His blood was shed for us. He was resurrected and ascended to Heaven as proof that he was what he claimed to be, the Son of God.

Prov. 30:4-6 (Stone) says, "Who...ascended to heaven and descended? Who else gathered the wind in his palm? Who else tied the waters in a cloak? Who established all the ends of the earth? What is his name (YHVH), and what is his son's name (Yehoshua, Y'shua, Yeshua, also called Immanuel, God with us, Isa. 7:14), if you know? Every word of God is refined; He is a shield to those who trust in Him. Do not add to His words, lest He test you and find that you deceived."

Isa. 7:14 (Stone) says, "Therefore, my Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the maiden will become pregnant and bear a son, and she will name him Immanuel." Mt. 1:20-23 (KJV) says, "the angel of the Lord (YHVH) appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS (from the Greek, Yeshua from the Hebrew): for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

Num 19:2-11,20,21 (Stone) says, "This is the decree of the Torah, which HASHEM has commanded, saying: Speak to the Children of Israel, and they shall take to you a COMPLETELY RED COW, which is WITHOUT BLEMISH, and upon which a yoke has not come. Thou shall give it to Elazar the Kohen (son and successor of the high priest); he shall take it out to the outside of the camp and someone shall slaughter it in his presence. Elazar the Kohen shall take some of its blood (standing for the blood of Yeshua) with his forefinger, and sprinkle some of its blood toward the front of the Tent of Meeting seven times. Someone shall burn the cow before his eyes -- its hide, and its flesh, and its blood, with its dung, shall he burn. The Kohen shall take cedar wood, hyssop, and crimson thread (standing for the blood of Yeshua), and he shall throw [them] into the burning of the cow....A pure man shall gather the ash of the cow and place [it] outside the camp (Yeshua died outside of Jerusalem) in a pure place. For the assembly of Israel it shall remain as a safekeeping, for water of sprinkling; it is for purification...He shall purify himself with it on the third day and on the seventh day, then he shall become pure....a man who becomes contaminated and does not purify himself, that person shall be cut off from the midst of the congregation, if he shall have contaminated the Sanctuary of HASHEM." Shalom and agape

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World court now a reality
Will supersede national sovereignty, even of countries refusing to ratify
4-11-02 NY – The International Criminal Court was officially instituted today at the United Nations headquarters.

The court, a permanent tribunal to prosecute "crimes against humanity," strides onto the world stage without the ratification of the United States....

Critics of the International Criminal Court fear that granting such powers to the United Nations sends a message that the U.N. is the definitive world organization that supersedes all nation states – which many regard as a serious assault on the concept of national sovereignty.

The ICC is a concept that dates from the WW II Nuremberg Trials. The United Nations pushed for the establishment of the court after the demise of the Cold War. The adoption of the Rome Statute in 1998 initiated sessions to draw up Rules of Procedure and Evidence for the Court. The U.S. has participated in those sessions, but was unable to delete all of the provisions it considered a threat to U.S. sovereignty.

My reply

This is bad news.
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WHERE IS THE ARK OF THE COVENANT?
http://www.templeinstitute.org/faqs/ark-faq.html

The Ark of the Covenant is one of the most fascinating of all Temple-related subjects. There are many theories about what happened to the Ark of the Covenant, and speculation abounds as to its actual location. Some people think it was taken to the Vatican, together with other Temple vessels, such as those depicted on the Roman monument, the Arch of Titus. There are many authentic, ancient historical chronicles, and even more popular legends, that attest to many sacred vessels having been taken away to Rome. However, this does not apply to the most holy feature of the First Temple, the Ark.

While some claim to have evidence that the ark is in Ethiopia, and of course, moviegoers were treated to a fanciful version of the story in "Raiders of the Lost Ark," in reality, the expression "lost" ark is not an accurate description for the Jewish people’s point of view—because we have always known exactly where it is. So the Ark is "Hidden," and hidden quite well, but it is not lost.

Tradition records that even as King Solomon built the First Temple, he already knew, through Divine inspiration, that eventually it would be destroyed. Thus Solomon, the wisest of all men, oversaw the construction of a vast system of labyrinths, mazes, chambers and corridors underneath the Temple Mount complex. He commanded that a special place be built in the bowels of the earth, where the sacred vessels of the Temple could be hidden in case of approaching danger. Midrashic tradition teaches that King Josiah of Israel, who lived about forty years before the destruction of the First Temple, commanded the Levites to hide the Ark, together with the original menorah and several other items*, in this secret hiding place which Solomon had prepared.

This location is recorded in our sources, and today, there are those who know exactly where this chamber is. And we know that the ark is still there, undisturbed, and waiting for the day when it will be revealed. An attempt was made some few years ago to excavate towards the direction of this chamber. This resulted in widespread Moslem unrest and rioting. They stand a great deal to lose if the Ark is revealed—for it will prove to the whole world that there really was a Holy Temple, and thus, that the Jews really do have a claim to the Temple Mount. (The official position of the Islamic Wakf, the body that governs over the Temple Mount, is that there never was a Holy Temple, and that the Jews have no rights whatsoever to the place).
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Also at The Temple Institute: Which comes first, the messiah or the Temple?
...Let us begin by examining the Biblical foundation for the concept of messiah. We find that the concept of messiah first appears in the prophecy of Bilaam: "There shall come a star out of Jacob, and a scepter shall rise out of Israel" (Numbers 24:17).

The Hebrew word used here for scepter, shevet, is translated into Aramaic as "messiah."...

There are no Biblical verses that make a connection between the building of the Holy Temple and the arrival of the messiah. The building of the Holy Temple is a commandment that is binding upon all of Israel to fulfill, in every generation....
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On Other Fronts - http://israelnationalnews.com/
...the IDF did uncover an arms-smuggling tunnel from Egypt into Rafiach...
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Donna Danna (9 Apr) on 5 Doves site
"Germany To Present 7 Point M.E. Peace Plan"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2002/donnad49-3.htm

"The plan includes a separation of the two sides in the conflict guaranteed by the U.S., the E.U., the U.N. and Russia, and an Israeli pull out from recently occupied territories."
http://www.euobserver.com/index.phtml?selected_topic=9&action=view&article_id=5826

My reply to a post on the 5 Doves site

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2002/jovial48.htm Jovial (8 Apr) - "Re: What day Yeshua died"

> > If He died on a Thursday, It was all of Friday and Saturday and part of Thursday, plus 3 full nights. So either way you go, you either have to count part of a day as a whole day or not count part of a day to get 3 days and 3 nights. > > Now how does Jewish tradition count days? In the Talmud, Pesachim 4a says
> > "part of a day is like a whole day".
> > Now this Talmud verse is quoted in The Second Book of Jewish Why in explaining how to count the number of days for mourning for the dead. Here's what it says:
> > "If a burial is completed just before nightfall and the mourner simply removes his shoes in the cemetary as a token sign that mourning has begun, this counts as the first day of mourning"
> > and the same author also says elsewhere

> > "If a mourner sits shiva for as little as one hour on the day of the funeral, that is considered as one full day of shiva" immediately after citing the teaching of the Talmud in Pesachim 4a as well. (The Jewish Book of Why , page 69)
> > This rule is about as close as you're going to get to a rule on how to count the time, since there's no Jewish tradition on how to count the time spent by dead Saviors in their tombs. But the parallels on how many days mourners are required to mourn for the dead after they died would certainly be counted the same way.

I wanted to congratulate you, Joe, for sharing this information. Pat yourself on the back for me. I too think Thursday is the only day that makes sense. However, I read everything I could find on the birth and crucifixion of Christ in BIOLA's Seminary Collection, plus Periodicals and the Rare Book section, where they had handwritten MSS from the 1700's without finding these quotes you posted. I am thrilled to have them.

I think the crucifixion was on Thursday, Nisan 13, 30 AD. The lambs were killed that afternoon so they could be roasted and ready to be eaten after the Passover began at 6 PM on Nisan 14. They had to be eaten before midnight on the 14th, which was 6 hours after the 14th started at 6 PM. Jesus died at about 3 PM on the Day of Preparation for the Passover, just when they started slaying the lambs. The Crucifixion was "Not on the feast day" (Mark 14:2). It "was the preparation" (John 19:31). It "was the preparation of the passover" (John 19:14). Therefore, the crucifixion was on the 13th.

The 3 feasts were Passover (Pesach, Friday, Nisan 14), Unleavened Bread (Saturday, Nisan 15) and Firstfruits (Sunday, Nisan 16).

De. 16:1-4 in the Stone Edition of the Tanach (Old Testament) is very interesting. It says, "You shall observe THE MONTH OF SPRINGTIME* and perform the pesach-offering for HASHEM (YHVH), your God, for IN THE MONTH OF SPRINGTIME HASHEM, your God, took you out of Egypt at night. You shall slaughter the pesach-offering to HASHEM, your God, from the flock, and [also offer] cattle, in the place where HASHEM will choose to rest His Name. You shall not eat leavened bread with it, for seven days you shall eat matzos because of it, bread of affliction, for you departed from the land of Egypt in haste -- so that you will remember the day of your departure from the land of Egypt all the days of your life. No leaven of yours shall be seen throughout your boundary for seven days, nor shall any of the flesh that you SLAUGHTER ON THE AFTERNOON BEFORE THE FIRST DAY remain overnight until morning."

Like the Passover lambs, Jesus, "our passover" (I Cor. 5:7) died Nisan 13 "on the afternoon BEFORE the first day," the afternoon of Nisan 13, the Preparation of the Passover.

Stone Footnote: * "16:1. Since Pesach is the month of springtime, implying that Nissan must fall in the spring, the Sanhedrin adds a thirteenth month to the year from time to time to assure that Nissan does not fall in the winter (Rashi)." I think it can't be in the summer, either.

Seyffarth, Thurman, Aldrich and Westcott picked a Thursday Date. Africanus, Bengel, Gresswell and Rusk thought the crucifixion was on Thursday, April 6, 30 AD, and I agree with them.

The "Tractate Sanhedrin" in the Babylonian Talmud says, "On the Eve of Passover Yeshu was hanged" (Sanhedrin 4-3a GBT VII. pg. 181; SBT pg. 281).

Josephus said that the Feast of Unleavened Bread was 8 days (Ant. 2.15.1). This agrees, for they were to eat unleavened bread with the Passover lamb. Agape

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I hope all is well with you and Ed. Thank you so much for all the work you do and your wonderful insights ~ you are such an inspiration for me. Could you tell me what you think of the New Living Translation bible? I received one as a gift a few years ago and I've been reading it ever since.. however this morning I was horrified to find in the back of the book a map of Israel labeled "Topography of PALESTINE". I am so upset about this as it seems this bible is obviously corrupt. Your thoughts? Thanks in advance and God bless you and Ed. Your sister in Christ,

My reply

I appreciate your kind words. We're ok.

I haven't seen that Bible, so I don't know. I thought the Living Bible was for beginners though. The safe thing is to compare passages you have a question about with the KJV. Agape

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Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
4-3-02 - Caution--Planetary Traffic Jam Ahead!
Cambridge, MA - Comet Hale-Bopp dazzled us for weeks. The Perseid meteor shower thrilled us for one night. But the world hasn't seen anything like the planetary traffic jam that's going to occur the last week of April and the first two weeks in May!

Inching across the sky like bumper-to-bumper commuters on their way to work, a rare planetary alignment will allow sky observers to see every planet in our solar system in a single evening! "There will be other opportunities in the future to see the planets in different configurations," says Philip Sadler, Director of the Science Education Department at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA) in Cambridge, MA, " but it won't be anything like this for at least another 70 years. This is truly a once-in-a-lifetime experience."

Even more amazing, two very special events will occur during this planetary line-up. On May 10, the planets Mars and Venus will appear to pass so close to one another that, to the naked eye, the Roman God of War and the Roman Goddess of Love will become one.

Earlier, on May 5, something even more spectacular will happen. The bright planets Mars, Saturn and Venus will group together to form a perfect equilateral triangle in the western sky. This dazzling configuration will be visible almost everywhere on Earth. In the Middle East, this pyramid-shaped specter will hang directly above Bethlehem.

Oddly enough, more than 2,000 years ago, this same grouping of planets may have caught the attention of the Biblical Magi. On April 1, 2 B.C., the planets Mars, Saturn and Venus came together to form a perfect equilateral triangle over the city of Bethlehem.

http://sao-www.harvard.edu/newtop/grandtour/index.html
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I can't really tell you where the following fits in prophesy, but when Harvard tell us there is a planetary alignment coming that will appear as a great light sitting over Bethlehem which hasn't occurred since the birth of Christ it is worth taking note of.

On September 14, 2001 during a Memorial Service President Bush orchestrated after the terroristic activities of September 11, Billy Graham preached the Gospel to every nation and every tongue via satellite TV.

On January 1, 2002 the nations of Europe abandoned their separate currencies to embrace a common currency, the Euro Dollar. There is also a legislative thrust to give teeth to the office of a President of Europe. Doing so would not only create a powerful position but would also raise the eyebrows of a lot of Bible Scholars who have long predicted such a position would likely be the seat of the antichrist.

On March 28, 2002 the FDA approved the process to implant computer chips into American citizens. Thus we see the technology for the "Mark of the Beast" in place and approved.

Anyone of these things would have been enough to cause most prophetic buffs to break out in a cold sweat, but seeing all of them and a host of other prophesies being fulfilled so rapidly ought to make us all stand up and pay attention.

Blessings, Dr. David Felts, Global Church Fellowship

My reply

Thanks. I wonder how often this happens. I get different figures from different sources. Agape

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Re: David or Jesus on the Throne in Israel
I called you today and talked about if it was Jesus or David when the word David was mentioned being the shepherd that will or was raised up to rule.

One other question -Have we misunderstood the fig tree story and the fourty years gen.?We have went past the 1967+40= 2007 and the seven year trib. time line. Is the dunging the fig tree four more years added? 1967+40+4=2011-7yrs=2004

Just a feeling we will get a warning before we leave. Elijah knew before he was gone did'nt he? If we are watching like the bible tells us to, it will not be just our best guess or take us by supprise, but to know.

My reply

First, let's look at Isa. 44:6. It says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first (YHVH King of Israel), AND I am the last (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer, Christ); and beside me there is no God." 2Co 5:19 declares, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself."

The Pre-incarnate Christ, "King of Israel," was the one who gave the ten commandments, etc.

Isa. 48:16-18 says, "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first (YHVH King of Israel), I also am the last (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer, Christ). Mine HAND also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my RIGHT HAND hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The LORD (the Father) hath loved him (the Son): he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his ARM (the Son) shall be on the Chaldeans. I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him (the Son): I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous. Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I (the Son): and now the Lord GOD (1, the Father), and his Spirit (2), hath sent me (3, the Pre-incarnate Christ). Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. O that thou hadst hearkened to MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea."

Jer 30:9 says, "they shall serve the LORD their God (Christ), AND David their king, whom I will RAISE UP unto them." There can be no mistake that this David is the literal David.

Hos 3:5 says, "Afterward shall the children of Israel return (1948), and seek the LORD their God (Christ, the nation will be born in a day on the first day of the Millennium, Isa. 66:8), AND David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days." This David is the literal David.

Eze 34:23 And I (the LORD) will set up ONE SHEPHERD over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. And I THE LORD WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND MY SERVANT DAVID A PRINCE AMONG THEM; I the LORD have spoken it. The LORD is YHVH of hosts, Christ (Isa. 44:6). David is the literal one.

Eze 37:23: "Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I (CHRIST) WILL BE THEIR GOD. AND DAVID MY SERVANT SHALL BE KING OVER THEM; and they all shall have ONE SHEPHERD (David): they shall also walk in my judgments ('the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son,' John 5:22), and observe my statutes, and do them." This David is the literal one. Christ will be their God.

Eze 37:25: "they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant DAVID SHALL BE THEIR PRINCE FOR EVER." This is the literal David. Christ shall be their God, and David their prince for ever.

After the Second Advent, Christ will sit in the tabernacle of David while he is judging and setting up the millennial government. After that, David will rule on Earth and Christ will rule from New Jerusalem. Rev. 22:3 says, "the throne of God and of the Lamb (Christ) shall be in it."

Amos 9:11 says, "In that day (in the Millennium) will I ('the Lord GOD of hosts, v. 5, Christ) raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old."

Act 15:14-16: James said, "Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this (after the 'times of the Gentiles be fulfilled," Luke 21:24) I (Christ) will RETURN (Second Advent), and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up."

Isa 16:1,5: "Send ye the lamb (Christ)...And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he (Christ) shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness."

> > One other question -Have we misunderstood the fig tree story and the fourty years gen.?We have went past the 1967+40= 2007 and the seven year trib. time line. Is the dunging the fig tree four more years added? 1967+40+4=2011-7yrs=2004

I still think the 40 years will turn out to be right. Those years have to end on a Jewish Leap Year to have the 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath and the Second Advent (Eze. 39:12,13). The 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14) for the shortened Tribulation seem to be wrong. In Mt. 22:34-36, Jesus told the Pharisees in 30 AD, "I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon THIS GENERATION." They did, 40 years later, in 70 AD.

> > Just a feeling we will get a warning before we leave. Elijah knew before he was gone did'nt he? If we are watching like the bible tells us to, it will not be just our best guess or take us by supprise, but to know.

If we can believe the Book of Enoch, he knew beforehand, just as Elijah knew. Noah knew 7 days ahead of the Flood. We may too. Agape

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