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Posted 4-15-02

Earth rips space rocks asunder, by Dr David Whitehouse

Asteroid DP107 and time-lapse images of its orbiting companion

4-11-02 - Binary asteroids - two rocky objects orbiting one another - appear to be common in Earth-crossing orbits...

In 2000, Margot and colleagues, using measurements from the Goldstone radar telescope, discovered that a small, roughly 800-metre-diameter (half-mile) asteroid, 2000 DP107, was a binary system.... The smaller object is about 300 metres (1,000 feet) in diameter and is orbiting the larger asteroid every 42 hours at a distance of 2.6 kilometres (1.6 miles). The two asteroids appear to be locked in synchronous rotation, with the smaller always with the same face turned towards to the larger. Since DP107 was discovered, four more binary NEAs have been found, all in Earth-crossing orbits and each with a main asteroid significantly larger than the smaller body. Double impact Astronomers have long suspected that there could be binary NEAs. Of about 28 known terrestrial impact craters with diameters greater than 20 kilometres, at least three are double craters formed by impacts of objects about the same size as the newly discovered binaries....

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Re: Pentecost
Check out 1 Corinthians 16:8,9. If you haven't already. It looks like a silver thread of information in there! Agape

My reply

I agree. The first verse of chapter 16 in Green's Interlinear says, "Now about the collection (logia, collection, gathering) which is for the saints. That sounds like a hint that this chapter might have something to do with the Rapture. Here is I Cor. 16:8,9 in the CJB: "I will remain in Ephesus (representing the young church during the apostolic era in Rev. 2:1f) until Shavu'ot (Pentecost), because a great and important door has opened for my work, and there are many people opposing me." Regarding this door, Green's Interlinear has "wonderful and mighty. "Door is a symbol of the Rapture, when Christ will say in his trumpet voice, "Come up hither" (Rev. 4:1). Heaven's door will open at that time. The Philadelphians have the "open door" set before them in Rev. 3:8. Hosea 2:9 (KJV) is interesting. It may suggest the timing of both the Pre-Trib and the Pre-Wrath Rapture. It says, "Therefore will I return, and take away my corn (grain) in the time (eth, due season) thereof (fits Pentecost), and my wine in the season (mowed, set feast) thereof" (fits Feast of Trumpets). I Cor. 16:8,9 (Rotherham) says, "But I remain in Ephesus, until THE Pentecost, For, a door, unto me, hath opened, great and effectual, and, opposers, are many." Actually, Paul will get his resurrection body at the Rapture. Will it be on "the Pentecost"? Agape

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Re: International Criminal Court - 4-11-02
one more step towards the end: The 1998 Rome treaty needed to be ratified by 60 nations to come into effect. Today, 10 countries, at the UN, submitted their ratifications, putting the total number at 66. UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan, in a video statement from Rome: "Humanity will be able to defend itself- responding to the worst of human nature with one of the greatest human achievements: the rule of law."

1998 was a pivotal year. Annan's statement belies the pride of man. As of July 1st of this year, the world court will be a reality, and be centered in The Hague, Netherlands, with cases being heard there next year. And, don't you think that Israel and Jerusalem will end up in its clutches?

Silver trumpets blown in Jerusalem, a red heifer born inside Israel in March 2002; the Jews are expecting Messiah. They will see Him, and He will have wounds in His Hands.

I am looking up moment by moment, awaiting the joy of seeing Jesus face to face. I hope you are well, and family. Bless all of us, who love our Lord Jesus in sincerity. Much love

My reply

...The red heifer seems to be an encouraging sign that his coming is near. The trumpets remind me that the trumpet I want to hear is Christ's voice like a trumpet saying, "Come up hither."

> > don't you think that Israel and Jerusalem will end up in its clutches?

I don't know, but lots of UN resolutions have gone against Israel so far. I keep thinking of Gen 12:3: "I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed." Oh, if they only knew how close to the incoming curse on the day of destruction they are. However, these things are not understood by the wicked. Agape

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I just had a thought.....no scripture reference but just a thought. We are waiting for the seals to be opened but before that the book of Revelation talks about the 7 churches. Before the seals are opened maybe each of us (believers) are put into one of the church categories...a form of judgment to separate the wise from the unwise virgins. Do the scripture say we are to examine ourselves???? to see what church sin-category we fall into, for us to repent and align our lives with the Word. This may be what is taking place right now in the church as God is shaking everything that is of man. This has to take place, and is taking place now, before the seals are opened...which could be at any time. Thank you Marilyn! You always make me think.

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> > Before the seals are opened maybe each of us (believers) are put into one of the church categories

It looks like the wise virgins that are still living are Philadelphians, which means brotherly love. They have used I John 1:9, confessed their sins to God so he could cleanse them of all unrighteousness. Jesus has no words of condemnation for the Philadelphians. They are the only group Jesus told, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee FROM (EK, OUT OF) the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God" (3:10-12).

They and the overcomers from all the groups will be among the saints "OUT OF (EK) every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" that are made "unto our God kings and priests" before the first seal is broken (5:9,10; 6:1). These are the Bride-of-Christ group that will be caught up when the first trumpet of God sounds (I Thess. 4:13-18). At that time, we will hear "a great voice, as of a trumpet" (1:10), "the first voice...as it were of a trumpet talking." In his trumpet voice, Christ will say, "Come up hither" (4:1) and we will rise to meet him in the air.

We can tell that the Laodiceans (meaning judgment of the people) are foolish virgins that will be spued out of Christ's mouth if they don't heed his warning "and REPENT" (3:19).

The Revelation of Jesus Christ is the Rapture. That's when we will see him revealed as he is. The Rapture is "at hand" in the first and last chapters (1:3; 22:10). Jesus signs of with "Surely I come quickly. He comes quickly at the Rapture. In Rev. 3:11, he says, "Behold, I come quickly" to the Philadelphians. That makes sense, because we know these are the wise virgins. Things after the Pre-Trib Rapture are "hereafter" the Rapture (4:1)

But look, In Rev. 2:4-7, Jesus says to the church of Ephesus (desired), "I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and REPENT, and do the first works; OR ELSE I will come unto thee QUICKLY, and will REMOVE THY CANDLESTICK OUT OF HIS PLACE (IN HEAVEN, 1:13), except thou REPENT. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans (meaning to conquer the people, i.e., setting up a hierarchy, making the priests higher than the laity, when all believers are priests, and ministers are to be humble servants), which I also hate. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God" (which is IN HEAVEN, Rev. 22:2).

Jesus comes to the Ephesus church overcomers quickly, so there are living believers in the first church mentioned. That shows us that all 7 messages are primarily Jesus' assessment of the whole church when the Pre-Trib Rapture is at hand. It could be at hand ten days prior to the Rapture, since those being persecuted are to have tribulation ten days (2:10).

However, worked into these 7 messages is also the only history of the development of the church from the 1st century to now that we have been given. In telling the story, Jesus reached back, grabbed some of their history, then stretched it up to when the Rapture is actually at hand. This has acted like a mirror for each group as time went on. Therefore, these messages have fit the growing church all along--and now too. Only God could manage that.

In Rev. 2:15,16, Jesus told Pergamos (meaning thoroughly married), "So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. REPENT; or else I will come unto thee QUICKLY (at the Rapture), and will fight against them (that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans) with the sword of my mouth." That sword means that those will be cut off and will stay behind until the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

Luke 12:46,47 says, "The lord of that servant (the unwise one) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes." Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." This ties in with Jesus' warning to REPENT. That is how we prepare ourselves and avoid the weeping and gnashing of teeth.

We must be called, and chosen and faithful. In Rev. 17:14, those with Christ at the time of the Rapture "are called, and chosen, and faithful." This is when the 10 kings "have received no kingdom as yet" (17:12).

Mat 22:10-14 teaches us the same thing. It says, "So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness (outside the Rapture's "open door," Rev. 3:8); there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen."

In Rev. 2:21-23, "repent" appears again. In the message to Thyatira (meaning dominating female), Jesus says, "I gave her SPACE TO REPENT of her fornication (joining, i.e., in the world church); and she REPENTED not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into GREAT TRIBULATION, except they REPENT of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."

The church at Sardis (meaning those escaping) is told in Rev. 3:2,3, "Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and REPENT. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee."

The first and last church groups are told to repent. On both sides of the Philadelphians, those groups are told to repent. The Philadelphian church is not told to repent. She already has. This is the group we should be in.

> > Do the scripture say we are to examine ourselves????

1Co 11:31 says, "For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged."

I John 1:9 is important. The verses before it show that when we sin we are out of fellowship with our Holy God. To get back in fellowship, we should confess all known sins, then God will cleanse us from all unrighteousness. That includes unknown sins.

II Peter 1:4-11 tells us what things to add to our faith, and ends with "if you do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." Agape

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Re: color of Saturn's rings
I just came back from my trip to Germany. This was my first time, since the change over to the Euro currency. I guess also the first real major step toward the unification of the european union.

I had been back many times, since I immigrated to the US in 1974, but this also was the first time I had a real dark feeling over there, as if God's protective hands had been lifted off the land. The people over in Germany also seem to be somewhat confused about what is going to happen next politically, as well as economically. Everyone is complaining about high cost increases on all goods & services. I also got the feeling that all people seem to be ready for someone to take charge & make sense out of the whole situation. Also, here is the answer I already received from DR. Odenwald at NASA about the color of Saturn's rings, unfortunately, I don't think anyone knows yet. agape & Im glad to be back in the states, hoping to soon be in an even better place.
It could be because of the composition of the objects that were shattered in this region billions of years ago, or because of the chemistry of the gases that were present there at the formation of Saturn itself. I dont think there is a simple way to answer this question right now until we know more about the composition of the ring particles.
Sincerely, Dr. Odenwald - Ask the Space Scientist www.theastronomycafe.net

My reply

Thanks for trying to find out what makes the different colors in Saturn's rings. Just as artists sign their pictures, God may have spread the extra color evenly throughout one major ring band as his signature on their creation.

I'm sorry you got a dark feeling on your trip. With all that's going on, no wonder a watch-and-wait feeling is going around. It is a scary thing to have EU and UN governments gaining power and wielding ever tighter jurisdiction over many things the individual countries used to decide for themselves. The new World Court is very scary. You know they will be against Israel some way. The UN has issued lots of Resolutions against Israel already. Even with the hot spot in the middle east, I would think that there would be no doubt in many minds worldwide that this is really the lull before the storm. Agape

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War Crimes Court Pits US Against The World
By James Bone in New York - The Times - London 4-12-2
That is exceeding our expectations, Philippe Kirsch, the Canadian chairman of preparatory negotiations, said. When we finished the conference in Rome, the pessimists were saying 20 years and the optimists were saying ten years. We will be under four years.

The result is that the Rome treaty will come into effect on July 1. After that date, war criminals will be subject to the jurisdiction of the court. The court itself is expected to be up and running in offices already set aside in The Hague in the first three months of next year....

Washington fears that the new court does not have adequate safeguards to prevent political prosecutions of American soldiers captured abroad. But US servicemen will still be subject to the courts jurisdiction if their alleged offences take place on the territory of a nation that has ratified the treaty.

Iraq has not yet signed the treaty, but if it were to ratify it, US soldiers participating in any alleged war crimes on Iraqi soil could be liable to prosecution by the new court.

Israel, which followed the American lead in signing but not ratifying the treaty, could face similar risk in military actions against any Arab neighbours that ratify the treaty. Jordan is the only Arab country whose ratification is considered imminent and there is legal controversy about whether Palestinians could accede to it.
THIS is why the WORLD COURT is so AWFUL - its political, not just!
Kofi Annan speaks for satan every time he opens his mouth. Calls begin for war crimes trial for Israelis. Palestinian sympathizers in Europe and the Arab world called for the Israeli government to be investigated for war crimes, raising the prospect that leaders of the Jewish state could be among the first targets of the new International Criminal Court. Kofi Annan vowed that "those who commit war crimes, genocide or other crimes against humanity will no longer be beyond the reach of justice." - www.washingtontimes.com/world/20020412-73662628.htm

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From: Rich Pope - Re: World Government? Why is this bad news?

I know that Hal Lindsay and others write about such things but where in the Bible does it explicitly teach such things are going to happen?

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The World Court is bad news, because leaders of Israel or USA could be prosecuted by the UN World court by a panel of nations that were against us in the first place. With Satan and his henchmen running the show up to the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, it isn't hard to figure that Israel and the USA would come out on the short end of the stick. For instance, would a Tehran-Baghdad-Damascus-Beirut- Palestinian block be fair if we took out Saddam Hussein or Arafat? The head of the UN (Kofi Annan) right now is a Muslim. How does he sound right now where Israel is concerned?

World Government is totally bad news, because it will be headed up by two evil men during the 70th week of Dan. 9:17. The 70th week will start when the covenant is confirmed, or strengthened. Dan. 9:26,27 (Stone) says, "after the sixty-two septets (weeks), the anointed one (Yeshua ha Mashiach) will be cut off (karath, killed) and will exist no longer; the people (Romans) of the prince (the False Prophet, both Pope and head of the UN) will come will destroy the city and the Sanctuary (in 70 AD); but his end will be [to be swept away as] in a flood (when the asteroid impacts the Mediterranean Sea). Then, until the end of the war, desolation is decreed. He will forge A STRONG COVENANT (being worked on now; Powell is to meet with Arafat) with the great ones for one septet (or week); but for half of that septet he will abolish sacrifice and meal-offering" (because he will desecrate the temple).

Will there be an escalation of the powers of World Government from now on to the Day of God's Wrath? Yes. It is foretold. When the covenant is confirmed (or strengthened), the 70th week of Dan. 9:27 will begin. At that time the first of two world leaders, the Beast and the False Prophet, will take over the world government. The Beast will rule the first 42 months (Rev. 13:5). Both are indicated in Isa. 9:14 (Stone). It says, "The elder and the distinguished man (I think the Pope), he is the head (of the great red dragon, Rev. 12:3); and the prophet who teaches falsehood, he is the tail" (of the great red dragon). The Beast of Rev. 13:2-10 will probably be the Tribulation Pope. He will be the 6th head of the great red dragon. The False Prophet will be the 7th head of the great red dragon. He will also be the tail, because Satan will be in him.

Of the Beast, Rev. 13:2,6,7 (CJB) says, "To it the dragon (Satan) gave its power, its throne and great authority...it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God to insult his name and his Sh'khinah, and THOSE LIVING IN HEAVEN (those who were caught up to Heaven in the Rapture of I Thess. 4:13-18 before the 70th week of Daniel began): it was allowed to make war on God's holy people and to defeat them; and it was given authority OVER EVERY TRIBE, PEOPLE, LANGUAGE AND NATION (i.e., it is head over the UN). Everyone living on earth will worship it (i.e., a religious figurehead, a man of the cloth ('bow' is toxon, fabric), Rev. 6:2) except those whose names are written in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb (Yeshua) slaughtered before the world (kosmos) was founded (i.e., the Crucifixion was planned before Adam was created. Those who have ears, let them hear!"

The Beast and False Prophet will be revealed when they confirm the covenant. The Satan-possessed False Prophet will be the worst of the two. He will rule the last half of the 70th week of Daniel, the half that is to be shortened or no flesh would be saved (Mt. 24:21,22). Rev. 13:11 (still in the CJB) says, "I saw another beast (the Satan-possessed False Prophet) coming up out of the earth." The False Prophet comes from eretz Israel. Satan comes "up from the "Abyss," Rev. 17:8). "It had two horns (Satan has 2 comings to power, in Judas Iscariot and in the False Prophet) like those of a lamb (Yeshua, who has 2 comings), but it spoke like a dragon" (because Satan will be in the False Prophet). Rev. 13:12 says, "It exercises all the authority of the first beast." At this point, Mid-Week, the False Prophet obtains the kingdom by treachery and Satan will have control over both the world government and the world church.

As soon as the False Prophet is inhabited by Satan, he will march right down to the temple and desecrate it. II Thess. 2:4 says, "He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God." He will place an idol at the temple and will kill Moses and Elijah, God's 2 witnesses during the first 42 months, because they won't bow down to him or his idol. They will lay in the streets of Jerusalem, unburied for 3 1/2 days. Then they will be resurrected and will ascend to Heaven when a great voice from heaven says to them, "Come up here" (Rev. 11:12).

At the end of this wicked one's reign, "there will be a time of trouble such as there had never been since there was a nation until that time. But at that time your people (the 144,000 Messianic Jews, Rev. 7:1f; 14,3) will ESCAPE (be caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Wrath Rapture)" (Dan. 12:1, Stone).

Joel 3:3-5 (Stone) says, "I will set wonders in the heavens (the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14f) and on earth: blood and fire and pillars of smoke; the sun will turn to darkness and the moon to blood [red] , before the coming of the great and awesome Day of HASHEM. And it will be that anyone who calls in the Name of HASHEM will ESCAPE, for on the mountain of Zion and in Jerusalem there will be refuge as HASHEM said, and among the survivors whom HASHEM summons." After this Rapture, the fig tree will finally bring on her fruit. All Israel will be born in a day--that day (Isa. 66:8).

As this time of trouble arrives, all nations will attack Israel. I take this to be the UN army. Zech. 14:2,3 (Stone) says, "I will gather ALL THE NATIONS to Jerusalem for the war; the city will be captured, the houses will be pillaged and the women will be violated; half of the city will go out into exile, but the rest of the people will not be eliminated from the city. HASHEM will go out and wage war with those nations, as He waged war on the day of battle." That battle was Joshua's long day (type of Yeshua's long day), "when HASHEM cast upon them large stones (asteroids) from heaven until [they reached] Azekah and they died; more died through the hailstones than the Children of Israel killed with the sword." The LORD will save Israel that day.

It will be the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord. This is the way the LORD will save the remnant of Israel from the invading UN army. Rev. 8:8 (CJB) says, "The second angel sounded his shofar, and what looked like an enormous blazing mountain (asteroid) was hurled into the sea (the Mediterranean). A third of the sea turned to blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed."

Zeph. 2:3-5 (Stone) says, "Seek HASHEM, all you humble of the land who have fulfilled His law; seek righteousness, seek humility. Perhaps you will be concealed on the day of HASHEM'S anger. For Gaza will be deserted; and Ashkelon become a wasteland; they will drive out Ashdod's residents at noon; and Ekron will be uprooted. Woe to the inhabitants of the seacoast."

The UN army that comes upon the land out of the north will be stopped. It will take Israel 7 months, from Tishri 1 to Nisan 1, to bury the dead and cleanse the land for the return of Yeshua on the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year, Regnal because he is King, Sacred because he is the High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. Rev. 17:14 (CJB) says that the 10 kings "will go to war against the Lamb (Yeshua), but the Lamb will defeat them, because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are called, chosen and faithful will overcome along with him." Agape

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Re: Check out Planetary Alignment 2002
Planetary Alignment 2002 Does this look like the rapture?

My reply

It might be a sign of the Rapture. This lineup won't occur again in our lifetime. It is interesting that there is a conjunction of Mars and Venus on May 10-12. Venus will be almost hiding Mars. They will probably appear as one bright star. That could be a 7-day sign. 10 + 7 = May 17 (Sivan 6). 11 + 7 = May 18 (Sivan 7). Both Sivan 6 and 7 are kept as Pentecost. On May 18, the planets step up - Mercury, Saturn, Mars and Venus in Taurus, plus Jupiter in Gemini. I like this lineup pointing to Gemini. It is the Bride and Bridegroom sitting together in heavenly places. Eph 2:6 says, "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus." Agape

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Re: The asteroid that's most likely to hit us
I subsequently read that these orbital asteriod projections are very tentative. Just a small change in its surface reflectivity could cause more outgassing, a subtle change in orbit due to vapor escaping, and bring it right to us much sooner (ie 2007).

My reply

Thanks. I hope no one we know will be here then. Psa 91:1-14 says, "He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence. He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. Thou shalt not be afraid for the TERROR by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for THE DESTRUCTION THAT WASTETH AT NOONDAY (as in Zeph. 2:4,5). A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but IT SHALL NOT COME NIGH THEE. ONLY WITH THINE EYES SHALT THOU BEHOLD AND SEE THE REWARD OF THE WICKED. Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet. BECAUSE HE HATH SET HIS LOVE UPON ME, THEREFORE WILL I DELIVER HIM: I WILL SET HIM ON HIGH, BECAUSE HE HATH KNOWN MY NAME." Jer 15:8 I have brought upon them against the mother of the young men A SPOILER AT NOONDAY: I have caused him to fall upon it suddenly, and TERRORS upon the city. Zeph. 2:2-5 says, "before THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER. they shall drive out Ashdod at the NOON DAY, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast.Agape

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