P & C 894

Pro and Con 894

Posted 4-22-02

Note: It tickled me to hear that now that they have run out of food, the gunmen in the church in Bethlehem "now say they are considering embarking upon a hunger strike" (ZionsCRY NEWS & BIBLE PROPHECY).
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Happenings in 1998, from "Facts About Israel"
http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH00kt0
1998 Israel celebrates its 50th anniversary.
Israel and the PLO sign the Wye River Memorandum to
facilitate implementation of the Interim Agreement.

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Rense.com - 'TAGINT' - Tag Intelligence Begins To Boom
From ELN/jrdreier: jrdreier@earthlink.net From James Oberg

4-20-2 In Singapore, cars "talk" to the streets they drive on. In Tulsa, retailers test a system that lets products inform the store when they're bought. In home kitchens later this decade, frozen dinners might automatically give cooking instructions to microwaves.

The Internet revolution was about people connecting with people. The next revolution will be about things connecting with things. And it's taking shape in pockets around the globe. For the first time, big players such as Wal-Mart, Gillette, and Procter & Gamble are joining to give the technology serious momentum. In a twist, this next technological chapter won't emerge out of ever-more-powerful computers and faster Internet connections. This shift comes from the opposite direction.

It will ride on pieces of plastic the size of postage stamps, costing a nickel or less. Each tag will contain a computer chip, storing a small amount of data, and a minuscule antenna that lets the chip communicate with a network. In time, when billions of tags are out there and communicating, the technology will infiltrate business and everyday life to a greater extent than today's personal computers, cell phones or email. In decades to come, its impact might be as fundamental as the invention of the light bulb. Those tags will someday be on everything < egg cartons, eyeglasses, books, toys, trucks, money, and so on. All those items will be able to wirelessly connect to networks or the Internet, sending information to computers, home appliances or other electronic devices....

In 2005, it will start to be widely adopted by business.

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Just a quick note of gratitude for the tramendous amount of work you've done through your website. It's taken me a while, but I have finally read all of your articles at the bottom of your opening page. I've gone back through and have read several of the older pro/cons and keep up with the new ones as well. This has been going on for the last two years or so. I admit when I first started reading your site, I didn't understand a lot of the material - but you always have said, "check your bible and see if these things are so". You responded to my emails and answered my questions, even though when going back through earlier pro/cons you had answered the same questions for others before (you still took the time!). The patience and endurance you have shown has been remarkable. Your obvious fervor for studying the bible has definately lit a fire under me over the last 2 years. And I am finding out lately that there is a "right" way in studying the bible - this really isn't taught a lot in the churches I've been too. But by reading the pro/cons and seeing how you respond to people with the scriptures, comparing scriptures, looking up words/meanings, and comparing scripture with other scriptures in the bible has made my studies as of late more fruitful. I definately ain't perfect at it and I have a LONG way to go, but BPC has shown me a direction. I feel stupid for the earlier mistakes I have made in studying - and right now, it seems the more I study, the more I realize how very little I know. But I am determined to keep pressing forward in the Bible. So just a short note of Thanks - Agape

My reply

I appreciate your taking the time to tell me this. I ain't perfect either. I just give it my best shot. Agape

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Re: A vision described From: Jim Bramlett 4-20-02 Yesterday a reader sent me the below astonishing vision she had last week. Be blessed. ---
Last week I had something happen that astounded me. For a few days one could say I was praying more than usual.

Well, I climbed into bed, rather tired from a difficult day. There was nothing in particular on my mind other than hoping to get a good nights rest.

Just a few moments after closing my eyes, it was though a projector screen turned on. (My eyes were closed.)

I saw Jesus Christ in a cloudy mist of brilliant light. He said, "I'm coming back soon to take you home."

I was so startled, the vision faded, but not the image of what I saw and the words of what was heard.

Besides the wonderful and comforting aspects of the vision, I guess what amazes me most is with all that is transpiring in this world, He took time to speak to unworthy, insignificant me.

In the Precious Name of Jesus Christ, (who is so very real)

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From: Jim Bramlett
There are many celestial events occurring in early May with 2 new bright comets coming in the midst of everything. If you have not already read the March/April 2002 issue of Biblical Astronomy, I suggest that you do so
(http://www.atlbible.org/astronomy/02mar.htm).
The May issue should be posted by the beginning of next week. It will be jammed packed, full of information, including info on another newly discovered naked eye comet (besides Comet Ikeya-Zhang). There is a very high probability that the 1260- day period mentioned in Revelation will begin very soon (by May 10), and end in the Autumn of 2005. We will know very soon if this is so....
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Biblical Astronomy - March/April
by Bob Wadsworth
...Asteroid Buzzes Earth, Highlighting Cosmic Blind Spot – “An asteroid large enough to have flattened a city buzzed Earth earlier this month and was not seen until after if flew harmlessly by. The space rock approached Earth in the glare of the Sun, a blind spot that made it impossible to see during the day or night from any terrestrial vantage point. The event illustrates the potential of a surprise hit by an asteroid, astronomers said. The object, now named 2002 EM7, was probably between 40 and 80 meters (130-260 feet) in diameter, said Gareth Williams, associate director of the International Astronomical Union's Minor Planet Center. On March 8, the asteroid passed within 298,400 miles (480,200 kilometers) of our planet, or about 1.2 times as far away as the Moon -- considered a relatively close shave by cosmic yardsticks. It was not discovered until March 12, however. After the rock was detected, scientists calculated its orbit and determined the path it had taken. No way to see it In a telephone interview, Williams explained there was no way to see the asteroid until it moved out of the Sun's glare and to the opposite side of Earth in relation to the Sun -- Earth's night side....

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Could this be the false peace emerging but in reality become a major war...courtesy of the United Nations.
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Annan briefs Security Council on concept of multinational force in Middle East - UN HOMEPAGE

UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan
4-18-02 – Expanding on the concept of a multinational force he had floated last week in response to the spiralling Middle East violence, United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan today told a private meeting of the Security Council that the latest tragic developments in the region gave additional urgency to the consideration of his idea and outlined the goals, nature and functions of such a force.

"The force must be impartial and capable of taking decisive action...It must have a robust mandate, credible strength and be large enough to carry it out."

The Secretary-General stressed that he contemplated not a United Nations contingent, but rather "a multinational force formed by a coalition of the willing" that was authorized by the Council under the UN Charter's Chapter VII, which provides for the use of force.

Such an operation would not be risk-free, he added. "However, the situation is so dangerous, that the international community has an obligation to provide this assistance."

According to Mr. Annan, the force would have four key objectives. Firstly, it would work with the parties to end the violence, in part through monitoring the withdrawal and redeployment of Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) to positions held before 28 September 2000, in accordance with a plan put forward by CIA Director George Tenet.

The second goal would be to gradually create secure conditions in the occupied territories for the resumption of normal economic activity and the unimpeded delivery of humanitarian and development assistance. The force, working with the international donor community, would also create conditions to allow the Palestinian Authority to rebuild its institutions, including those dealing with law and order, which have been damaged or destroyed in the current military campaign.

Finally, the multinational force would work to create a stable environment to permit the resumption of negotiations aimed at achieving a political settlement.

"It is time for the international community to pursue such an option in a pro-active way, rather than waiting for the parties to arrive at this conclusion on their own," Mr. Annan said. "A multinational force is essential to a gradual restoration of trust between the two sides, which is so vital if further steps toward a broad framework for a comprehensive, just and lasting peace are to be taken."...

My reply

I appreciate you sending this to me. I have been watching for the UN to get involved in this. My reason? Dan. 9:27 says, "he (the False Prophet) shall confirm the covenant with MANY for one week (of years): and in the midst of the week he (the False Prophet) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (when he sits in the temple 'shewing himself that he is God,' II Thess. 2:4), and for the overspreading of abominations (idols) he shall make it (the temple) desolate, even until the consummation (the Day of God's Wrath), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate" (desolator). The UN could be the "many."

Along with rebuilding PA installations, the UN could have something to do with Israel building the temple.

At the end of this age, "all nations" (Zech. 14:2; Isa. 34:2) will attack Israel. That too could be the UN. Agape ---
Kinetic Energy From Asteroid - Impacts Linked To Extinctions
Geological Society Of America - www.geosociety.org
http://www.rense.com/general24/kin.htm

4-15-02..."Approximately ten percent of the impact structures on Earth are doublets or twin structures, suggesting a nearly simultaneous impact of binary asteroids or fragmented comets," he said. An example of a twin impact structure would be the Kara / Ust-Kara twin impact structure in Russia which is about 73 million years old.

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Have you looked at this from a preterists point of view.

My reply

Yes. I don't see how in the world anyone could think Revelation was fulfilled in 70 AD. To me that's contrary to reason. The mountain sized asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will impact the Mediterranean Sea at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5) on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. The larger asteroid of Rev. 8:10; 18:21 will destroy Babylon so no one will ever set foot there again (Jer. 51:37). "At the noise of the taking of Babylon the EARTH IS MOVED, and the cry is heard among the nations" (Jer. 50:46). Isa 24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD MAKETH THE EARTH EMPTY, and maketh it waste, and TURNETH IT UPSIDE DOWN, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. "These things won't happen but once. Civilization as we know it will be wiped out. There will be a worldwide earthquake. Every wall will fall (Eze. 38:20). These things didn't happen in 70 AD. Agape

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Re: Next Pope and our 7 Day Warning
The other day I awoke with a thought (from the Lord??). It's obvious this Pope is very close to death. I recall you think the Pope is the beast and the false prophet will be a Jew, perhaps from the tribe of Dan.

Perhaps our "7 day warning" will be when we hear this Pope has died and the college of Cardinals meets to pick the next Pope. If this is indeed the beast, then he is being restrained (or rather Pope John Paul is being sustained and hanging onto life...) and when we see the death announcement of Pope John Paul we will know that our departure is at hand. The next Pope can't be "revealed" or announced by the college of Cardinals until we are out of here. Presumably, they'd do that as soon as possible. Thus a short 7 day period stuck in my mind. Did God reveal this to me (us)? Blessings on you.

My reply

I keep wondering if he can make it another 3.5 years. If another comes in, he will have to qualify as "ancient." Isa 9:15 says, "The ancient and honourable, he is the head (6th head of the great red dragon, Rev. 12:3,4; 17:3, the Beast, Rev. 13:2-10); and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail" (7th head, False Prophet of Rev. 13:11-18) indwelt by Satan himself, the tail of the great red dragon and the "eighth" of Rev. 17:11.

Since this one is frail, it would be reason enough to add the 10 subordinate kings of the 10 regions this world has been divided into.

> > The next Pope can't be "revealed" or announced by the college of Cardinals until we are out of here.

The Pope is in power at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture. Rev. 17:10 says, "there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is (the Pope) and the other (the False Prophet) is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space."

The one that "is" in power when the Rapture takes place is the head of the Ecclesiastical Roman Empire headquartered in Vatican City, then it will be moved to Babylon. The 7th will be headquartered in Babylon. The heads are over these empires:

1. Babel I
2. Babylon II
3. Media-Persia
4. Greece
5. Rome - these 5 have "fallen"
6. Ecclesiastic Rome - "one is"
7. Babylon III - "the other is not yet come" to full power when the Tribulation begins. He will be revealed when he confirms the covenant, but he will not take over from the Beast until Mid-Trib.

I think all of these carry the title Pontifex Maximus, the high priest of the Mystery Religion of Babylon. The first 6 have, and the 7th "exerciseth all the power of the first beast" (i.e., the 6th head, Rev. 13:12). Blessings and agape

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Re: Day of Christ's Death
Awesome study, Marilyn.
Thank you for the time and effort you put into this. Years ago I had heard a preacher explain that it could not be Friday, it had to be earlier in the week, but it couldn't repeat the information. (Way beyond my education of things Jewish).

My reply

Thanks. Years ago, I studied Jesus' birth and resurrection in depth at BIOLA's La Mirada, CA, Campus Library. The motivating factor was an article in BIOLA's King's Business Magazine. In it, R.A. Torry had come to the conclusion that the crucifixion was on Wednesday. I decided to try to find out for sure if it was Wednesday or Friday, not considering Thursday at the time.

After I had decided on a possible Thursday crucifixion, I wrote down the names of other authors I found with the same opinion. Seyffarth, Thurman, Aldrich and Westcott picked a Thursday date. Africanus, Bengel, Gresswell and Rusk thought it was on Thursday, April 6, 30 AD. I agree with them.

A copy of Leslie P. Madison's thesis, "Problems of Chronology in the Life of Christ, unpubl. Th.D thesis (Dallas Theological Seminary, 1963), was very helpful too, for his search for the truth of the matter paralleled mine. His thesis was held in high esteem or it would not have been shared with BIOLA.

I also researched Bible Chronology. Dr. Ehlert, head of BIOLA library at the time I did my studies, had his 1946 unpublished mss, "Syllabus of Bible Chronology," available. It gave the solutions to several gordian knots in Bible Chronology. I also found Anstey's "Romance of Bible Chronology" in the Reserve Books section. These were the best sources. Anstey found an 82-year mistake in the accepted chronology of the era of the Persian kings. With that knowledge, everything fell into place. 536 BC - 82 = 454 BC. Daniel 9's 483 - 454 + 1 (no zero yr) = 30 AD, the year of the Crucifixion. The chronology given Daniel was exact, but until I read Anstey, I didn't have the right starting date for Cyrus (Isa. 45:28). Dan. 9 is the bridge from OT Chrology to the Crucifixion.

Later, someone very nice gave me "The Star That Astonished The World," by Ernest Martin. Martin found that there was an eclipse on Jan. 10, BC 1, that fit with what Josephus said about the death of Herod much better than the accepted one on Mar. 13, BC 4. I think that the wise men came to bring gifts to the King of Israel when Jesus was about 2 years old. Herod had the male children killed in Bethlehem 2 years old and under.

It sometimes seems that the Lord gives understanding of certain puzzle pieces to different people. Only by putting all the pieces together can we get the full picture. I am always interested in new information that crops up. Agape

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I have no idea who you are, and I'm sure you the same with me. I was just reading some of your predictions on the web. They are interesting, and it seems you have devoted a good amount of time in your studies. The thing is if you are wrong, then you are a false prophet. That's not necessarily a good thing. I have no room to judge, believe me. My life is not where it should be by any means. I just want to tell you that you can't believe something if you think you may be wrong. Why believe it. And if you think something because there are a bunch of numbers that add up, or you see shapes in the sky, that's ok, but I'm not sure if what you think should be posted. Alot of your dates have come to pass, have they not? Well, thanks for listening.

My reply

You must have skipped over my statement near the top of my Home Page. It says, "I am not predicting anything, just sharing possibilities. Compare everything with Scripture to see if these things are so."

I am just a 73-year-old woman that has studied the Bible as hard as I can go ever since about 1960. I am willing to share my beliefs with others, for I saw a rectangle of light on Jer. 50:2. It said to publish and conceal not. I am not always right because I am not a prophet. At any one time, I just do my very best to understand what the Lord has told us in his word. Since I am not a prophet, how can I be a false prophet? I predict nothing.

As I learn more and more about the Bible, I change my views to conform to Scripture. I try very hard to be like the Bereans. II Tim. 2:15 says, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." I spend nearly all my available time studying Scripture.

We are living near the end of this age. The Rapture of the Bride of Christ seems very near. How should that affect us?

First, we should make sure that we have accepted Christ as our own personal Saviour. Rom. 10:9,10 says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Second, we should confess all known sins committed after accepting Christ to God so he can cleanse us of all unrighteousness." I John 1:9 says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." This is going to become very important, for the Bride wears white (Rev. 19:8).

In Mt. 25:1f, we read about the wise virgins going with the Bridegroom (Christ) and the foolish virgins being left behind. That is the split as the Pre-Trib Rapture takes place. The wise are caught up to Heaven, and the foolish are left on Earth during the Tribulation, the Trial that precedes the judgment Seat of Christ.

In Rev. 2:16, we read about the lukewarm Laodiceans. Christ tells them, "So then because thou art likewarm, and neither cold not hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth (i.e., be temporarily cast out of the Body of Christ). He tells them, "As many as I love, I rebuke and CHASTEN: be zealous therefore, and REPENT."

When those left behind at the first Rapture finally get to Heaven in the the Pre-Wrath Rapture, those Tribulation saints will have "washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" (Rev. 7:14).

We will learn our lesson one way or another, the easy way or the hard way during the Tribulation Trial. Those that are wearing white robes of righteousness now seem to be the ones that are caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture. At the time of the Rapture, Rev. 17:14 says, "they that are with him (Christ) are called, AND chosen, AND faithful."

Luk 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the unbelievers." Mat 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

This fits with Mt. 22, where the "man which had not on a wedding garment" was cast outside the door (i.e., Heaven's door, Rev. 4:1). There "shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen." It looks like the chosen are the faithful. Please get ready. The time we have left is getting shorter every day.

> > you see shapes in the sky, that's ok, but I'm not sure if what you think should be posted.

Jesus scolded the Pharisees for not seeing their signs. In Mt.16:3, he said, "in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites (see Mt. 24:51), ye can discern the face of the sky; but CAN YE NOT DISCERN THE SIGNS OF THE TIMES?

Jesus commanded us to "Watch," so I watch. I want to be part of the Bride group. Christ "hast made us unto our God KINGS AND PRIESTS: AND WE SHALL REIGN ON (epi, over) THE EARTH" (Rev. 5:10). The Tribulation saints will "serve him day and night in his temple.

In Mar 13:33-37, Jesus said, "Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to WATCH. WATCH ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I SAY UNTO ALL, WATCH." In Rev. 3:3, Jesus said, "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and REPENT. If therefore thou shalt not WATCH, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

He also said, "there shall be SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (lit., constellations); and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring...And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh" (Luke 21:25,28). If we have already seen signs, how close we must be. It is high time to get right with God. Agape

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Re: Are we close? 2 big signs?
Abomination of desolation=hebraic expression meaning "abominator or hateful destroyer. Terrorists can be defined as hateful destroyers.

Standing= Stong Concordance #2476 "defeat-being overcome" Holy place=a sanctuary. A church is a sanctuary.

This current event of the terrorists hold hostage the people and church of the Church of the Nativity could be described as an abomination standing in the holy place.

The procession of the alignment of stars that will culminate in the same configuration around May 5, a Sunday, over Bethlehem, at the same time, or right after this seige of the Church of the Nativity, last seen when Jesus was born, is a sign also.

Are these two signs happening right now at this time a huge coincedence or is our Lord telling us He is about to arrive? Then, May 5, or shortly thereafter?

If I were in Israel, I would leave now.

My reply

I don't see the church situation as a sign, but the planets lining up probably is. Luke 21:25,28 says, "there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring...And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." Agape

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Here is a very interesting article entitled "The Alignment of the Heels."

http://www.atlbible.org/astronomy/astronomy1.htm
(Right after "The New Moon Report" is "THE ALIGNMENT OF THE HEELS")

Yes, yes YES, the Lord is definitely coming soon!

My reply

Thanks. That is very interesting.

In this picture, Cepheus is hard to see. He is in the center and represents Christ the king after he is crowned. His left foot is just above Polaris, the pole star. When the Zodiac was drawn up, probably by Seth and Enoch under the inspiration of God, about 4,500 years ago, the pole star was Thuban (Alpha Draconis) in the constellation Draco. Now, because of the procession of the equinoxes, the pole star around which everything revolves is Polaris. Thus the pictured authority that once belonged to Satan (Draco) has become the authority of Christ (Cepheus).

Look at the lively twisted fish tail on both Cetus (Satan) and Capricorn (Christ). That tail depicts resurrection. Both have two comings to power. Satan was in Judas Iscariot, who died, and Satan will be in the False Prophet. Christ has two comings.

Ophiuchus depicts Christ walking on the circuit of the ecliptic. Job 22:14 says, "he walketh in the circuit of heaven." Saturn traverses the ecliptic. Psa 19:6 says, "His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

Gemini pictures the Bride and Bridegroom (Christ) sitting together in heavenly places. Eph 2:6 says, "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus." The Bride is actually pictured on a throne near Cepheus, but that is hard to see on this too.

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