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Incoming e-mail, Subject: Rapture of Enoch

Thanks for posting my E-mail! According to Rabbinical traditions, Enoch was born on the 6th of Sivan and was raptured on the 6th of Sivan. I got this information from "The Romance of Redemption - Gleanings from the book of Ruth" by Chuck Missler. It's a two-tape package. Ruth is traditionally associated with Feast of Pentecost (Wheat Harvest). It's always read by Jews at the feast of Pentecost. I believe the rapture will happen on the Feast of Pentecost sometime in the near future... With all the end-time pieces falling into place very rapidly, the rapture appears to be truly imminent!!!

My reply

I appreciate the reference....The signs all show that the Tribulation approaches. The Rapture of the Bride of Christ will precede it. I think, because of the parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9, that it will be on Pentecost in l998, but whenever it is, it can't be very far off.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Ezekiel 29:17,21 and Matthew 24:36

If you say that the month and day of the 2nd Coming of Christ is revealed in the Old Testament and we can know it because we are not restricted from that knowledge by Matthew 24:36, I have these questions:

(1) Jesus knew the Old Testament very well; why would He not understand the meaning of Ezekiel 29:17, 21?

(2) If the "no man knows" of Matthew 24:36 applies only to those alive at that time, what about John 14:17? The same greek word "eido" is used.

If I read Ezekiel 29 correctly, verse 17 refers to the day when the word of the Lord came to Ezekiel. The "in that day" of verse 21 seems to refer to the time when the Lord would give Egypt to Nebuchadrezzar. There are many places in Ezekiel where he said, "the word of the Lord came to me, saying"; apparently you chose 29:17 because it fell on Nisan 1, but verse 21 doesn't refer back to 17, does it?

Are you attributing a double meaning to both verse 17 and 21? If so, when was verse 21 literally fulfilled?

I can only handle one or two points at a time, so I trust you'll be patient with me. Thanks for "listening"

My reply

Jesus did understand Ezekiel. As the pre-incarnate Christ, he directed Ezekiel to write it in the first place. He always was the one who had to do with man. Remember, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" (II Cor. 5:19).

In Rev. 1:8, Jesus said he was the beginning and the ending, the Almighty. He was both Yahweh and Yahwehshua (Yahweh is Saviour). "Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us" (Mt. 1:23).

The only difference was that in the New Testament days, he dwelt in a human body. Heb. 10:5 says, "a body thou hast prepared me." Isa. 9:6 says, "his name shall be called...The mighty God, The everlasting Father." In John 14:9,11, Jesus said, "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father...Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me."

He was "the first (Lord of the Old Testament) and the last (Lord of the New Testament)" (Rev. 22:13). Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (Yahweh) the King of Israel, and his REDEEMER (Christ) the LORD (Yahweh) of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." There was no way that He did not understand any Scripture for all Scripture was God breathed. Holy men spoke as the Spirit of God moved them.

In Mt. 24:36, Jesus was very careful how he worded his statement. He said, "But of that day and hour knoweth no MAN, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." Jesus himself was not just man. He was both man and God, a one-of-a-kind Godman, so he was excluded. The Father in him knew, but no mere man knew. He did not want the information to be understood until the time of the end. He made that clear in Daniel 12:4.

> (2) If the "no man knows" of Matthew 24:36 applies only to those alive at
> that time, what about John 14:17? The same greek word "eido" is used.

In Matthew 24:36, "knoweth" is "oiden." In John 14:17, "knoweth" is "ginoskei."

> ...Ezekiel 29..., verse 17 refers to the day when the word of the Lord came to
> Ezekiel....verse 21 doesn't refer back to 17, does it?

Verse 21 is clearly talking about Christ as the horn, or king, of the house of Israel and about the time when he will come as King. That is the Second Advent. It says, "In that day will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the Logos, the Word) in the midst of them (Israel); and they shall know that I am the LORD."

Psa. 132:17 ties in. It says, "There will I make the horn OF DAVID to bud." Christ is called the Son of David.

Did Christ come as King when Nebuchadnezzar took Egypt? No! Then I don't see how verse 21 can refer back to verse 20. Verses 18-20 are what "the word (Christ) of the LORD came unto me (Ezekiel) saying" regarding Nebuchadnezzar. The Word finished with his message about Nebuchadnezzar in verse 20. Then he tacked on verse 21, which had nothing to do with Nebuchadnezzar.

The only day it could refer back to was the "first month, in the first day of the month" in verse 17, because verse 21 did not happen when Nebuchadnezzar took Egypt. Verse 21 has not been fulfilled yet today. The Second Advent is still future. However, the Second Advent will take place on Nisan 1, the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year, the most logical time that it could ever take place, because the other Israelite kings officially took office on Nisan 1.

The more I work with God's Plan of Time, the more I realize how logically he made all his decisions. Many times, if we had just tried hard to think of the very best most logical time for a certain important event to take place, we would have been able to guess the correct time.

This is true of the time of the Second Advent. What better time would be possible than the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred year? Christ is both king and high priest. He is the King of kings and the Lord of lords. The "King" should return on the first day of the Regnal year. The "Lord" should return on the first day of the Sacred year. There could be no better time.

Why did the Lord separate verses 17 and 21? So that no man would see the connection until after the Sign of the End of the Age took place. I didn't see it until after he came to me and said, "Be still and know that I am God." He must have opened my understanding at that time, because it was after that that I began to understand things that others seemingly had not understood.

I was able to figure it out only after I had recommitted my life to Christ, confessed all my known sins, prayed to be completely filled with his Holy Spirit, asked the Lord what he wanted me to do, and asked him to show me everything he wanted man to know about the Bible. The Scripture says that the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth, and I am certain that he guided me as I studied hard to learn all that he wanted man to know about the Bible.

I'm glad you are taking it slow so that you understand as much as possible along the way. I'm better able to handle answering questions in small batches anyway.

Incoming e-mail

You and I are about the same age; I was born in l926. I was raised in a Methodist Church in Missouri and joined the Baptist Church when...and I married in l945. I received the Lord Jesus as my Lord and Savior when I was ll years old and this was through the witness of a Lutheran woman....

...Like you, I became very interested in end time things and I remember, the Sunday after May 14, 1948 when Israel became an independent nation on its own soil, hearing Dr. Charles Fuller say, "This is a date to remember. Watch Israel, for this day marks the budding of the fig tree."

Since that time I pored thru the Scriptures often writing out whole books in present-day English in order to understand them better. I know, too, the agony of which you speak. I wrote a manuscript in the 70's and one company was very willing to publish it, but it cost money we just didn't have. So I had several copies printed in the form of a study and work book and have used it to teach Bible Studies and Sunday School.

In your last letter made mention that the 50 years to jubilee began when Israel left Egypt, if I read you correctly. However it is my understanding that according to Lev. 25:2, God instructed Moses to say, "When you come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the Lord." Then they were to number seven sabbaths of years til seven times seven or 49 years. Then jubilee was to be sounded for the 50th year....

My reply

...Concerning the Jubilee, there is much confusion, some saying that the Jews lost track of when it is. Others count every 50th year, making two Jubilees per century. Many more say that they had to be back in the land before starting to count year one in the Jubilee cycle.

They base this on Leviticus 25:2,8-10: "When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the LORD....And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement...And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: IT SHALL BE A JUBILE UNTO YOU: AND YE SHALL RETURN EVERY MAN UNTO HIS POSSESSION. AND YE SHALL RETURN EVERY MAN UNTO HIS FAMILY." (Sorry for the caps. I don't know how it happens. The shift key and caps lock keys are not down.)

If they were to count the Jubilee from when they came into the land, it would be counted from Nisan 10. Joshua 4:19 says, "And the people came up out of Jordan on the tenth day of the first month, and encamped in Gilgal." I doubt that the Jubilee was to be counted from Nisan 10.

I could be wrong, but here is the way I understand it. The Lord set up an easy system of keeping track. He started a new year from Nisan 1 when they came out of Egypt. Everything was counted from that particular Nisan 1. Starting from that time, they were to keep Sabbath days and Sabbath years. When it was the 49th year, they were to announce on the Day of Atonement that the next year, the 50th would be the Jubilee. It started the following Nisan 1, not on the Day of Atonement as some think. The 50th year was not only the Jubilee year but the first year of the next 49-year period. This way, the Sabbatic years and 49-year Jubilee cycle always stay aligned.

Just because they kept the Jubilee after they were in the land did not mean that it had to be counted from when they came into the land. It is just that they were in the land by the time they had to keep the Jubilee. Caleb received his allotment in the 45th year (Joshua 14:10). There were seven years of war. Forty years in the wilderness plus seven years of war is 47 years. By the 50th year, they were settled in their own lots and ready to keep the Jubilee. They would have probably celebrated around that time even if the Lord had not set it all up in advance.

Only now do I understand why the caps above happened. I finished the above and then glanced back at the caps. It hit me why immediately. They said, "IT SHALL BE A JUBILE UNTO YOU: AND YE SHALL RETURN EVERY MAN UNTO HIS POSSESSION. AND YE SHALL RETURN EVERY MAN UNTO HIS FAMILY." When did they return every man unto his possession and family? They returned after the war was over. Was that a time of jubilation or what? The men were all back from war, "every man" reunited with his family. It all fits together beautifully. If the caps had not happened, I might have missed this important point. Isn't the Lord wonderful.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Thanks for You Homepage

I like very much your Homepage.

Could you give any reference to know more about the chronology of Creation to The end of Age. I read your book.

My Question why you don't start to Creative day of God. Does it correct if " the first day " in genesis 1:5 equal with 7000 years ? Thank's

My reply

...We cannot start with the actual first day of Earth. This we are not told. The Bible is about roughly 7,000 years. Beyond this in either direction, we have hints about a few events, but no timescale to speak of. Dispensation charts often have Eternity Past and Eternity Future on either end.

The days in Genesis, chapter one, are ordinary 24-hour days. If they had been 1,000 years or 7,000 years long, the plants would have died during the night. The evening and morning made up each 24-hour day. Therefore, the days were counted from the evening like Jewish days from the very beginning of time.

Incoming e-mail, Re: End Times

I have come across a verse in Daniel that has me confused, and I am writing to see if you can help me out with this.

Daniel 12:11 says that there are 1260 days from the time the sacrifices are stopped, till the abomination of desolation is set up. If the sacrifices are stopped at halfway through the 7 year tribulation period, then the abomination is at the very end of that 7 years. Do I understand this correctly?

Where in Revelation do you place the abomination of desolation?

My reply

There are three periods listed in Dan. 12: 1260 days ("a time, times, and an half," 3 1/2 years, v. 7), 1290 days (v. 11), and 1335 days (v. 12). All of these start with the placing of the idol, "the abomination that maketh desolate," in the MIDDLE of the seven-year Tribulation.

The seven-year Tribulation is 2,520 days. This is divided into 1260 days and 1260 days. During the first 1260 days, the Jews sacrifice at the temple. Because the False Prophet becomes Satan possessed, sits in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4), and places "the abomination that maketh desolate" in the middle of the Tribulation, the sacrificing stops at the desecrated temple during the rest of the Tribulation.

We are not told much about the 1290 days, but I assume that the extra 30 days is a time of mourning. They mourned for Aaron 30 days in Nu. 20:29. This is because of the loss of the "goats" after Jesus separates the sheep and the goats at the end of the 2,520 days. Zech 12:11 says, "In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem."

Daniel will literally stand in his own lot at the end of the 1335 days. Eze. 36:11 says, "I will settle you after your old estates."

Incoming e-mail, Re: 2nd Rapture

I have read your study on a 2nd rapture and I think it sounds good because there certainly are encouragements to overcome in bible texts. However, when I look at Revelation scripture, I see things that make me think there is not a 2nd rapture. Here are a few things:

1) There is no 2nd or last trumpet when you see the 2nd rapture.
2) The multitude are to "come" out of great tribulation - not "came" as I see your text.
3) This 7 year period is for God to finish His dealings with Israel, as in Daniels 490 year prophecy. If there is a 2nd rapture, then God is using this time to continue dealing with His Church. The "multitude" are going to "come" out of great tribulation, which indicates that these people are not a part of the Church, and are saved during the tribulation.

I was glad to have read your site because it will certainly help keep a Christian on his spiritual toes. The only thing I would never disagree with is that we are to watch and be ready!

My reply

Here is a reference to the two trumpets. It is from "A Jewish Wedding," by Greg Killian: "Even as the first trump (shofar) announced the betrothal, so the last trump announced the wedding."

This fits the two Raptures. The Bride of Christ is taken to Heaven at the first trump (betrothal). At the last trump the Marriage of the Lamb takes place as the Tribulation saints are brought to Heaven to attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

Incoming e-mail, Re: children in heaven

My 4 year old son went to be with the Lord on May 22. Will he still be a child when I see him again, and will I still be allowed to be his Mommy? Does he remember he has a family here on earth now that he is in heaven? Are there any Bible verses that give clues to this? I would be so thankful for a reply

My reply

I wish I had all the answers, but I don't. However, I will share with you some of the things that come to mind. I feel for you. It is not easy to lose a child. I pray that the Lord will comfort you and give you peace.

I assume that you have accepted Christ as your own Saviour. If so, you have not lost your son for good, only for a little while. He is with the Lord. Remember the scripure that says absent from the body, present with the Lord. He is alive, thinking, remembering, and learning new things too.

I think the Rapture takes place on Pentecost next year. That is not long to wait. Just be sure to be ready at all times so you can join your son in Heaven.

Be filled with the Holy Spirit. To do that, use I John 1:9 and confess all known sins to God. If we do that, he is faithful and just to wipe away all unrighteousness, known or unknown. Then we are filled with the Holy Spirit. Our lamps have enough oil and are burning brightly like the wise virgins.

Another plus in being filled with the Holy Spirit is that God is love. That means that one of his attributes is love. He is also perfect justice, omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, etc. His love will be in you and flow through you to others. In comforting others, you will be comforted too. Love must be about the most comforting thing there is.

I do not think your son will forget who he is and the family he is from. Read the story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31. The rich man still remembered his five brethren. He seemed to have all his ordinary brain power. He could see, speak, think, feel in a normal way. At the Transfiguration, Moses and Elijah stood speaking to Jesus, also in a normal way. The difference is that they could appear and then disappear.

God has not given us the right kind of eyesight to see what is going on in the spiritual world (for our test is that we must walk by faith, not sight), but there have been times when God allowed them to be seen. In I Samuel 28, Samuel was allowed to come speak to king Saul. However, it seems that the witch of Endor saw Samuel, but Saul did not. The bad news was that Saul and his sons would be with Samuel on the morrow. Saul had done a forbidden thing in consulting "a woman that hath a familiar spirit" (verse 7). We must steer clear of the occult and wait patiently for the Rapture.

Paul said in II Corinthians 12:2, "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven." If you could see your son, he would probably look like you remember him, and he does dwell in the third heaven, a real place.

I Corinthians 15:44 says, "There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body." From the paragraph above, it seems that they look pretty much alike. Paul could not tell the difference. Moses, Elijah and Samuel appeared clothed too.

Also, I found out where Heaven actually is located. It is another planet surrounded with golden clouds. It's also visible with the naked eye in the clear night sky. It is a morning star 5 months and an evening star 5 months. It is invisible to us the rest of the year for it is circling on the far side of the sun. Remember that it is a better place than Earth. Moths and rust do not exist there. There are dwelling places there too.

In Luke 24:36, after the Resurrection, Jesus "saith unto them, Peace be unto you." He is the Prince of Peace and can give you peace. Trust your son into his capable hands. He will see that your loved one is taken good care of. Don't worry, he won't forget his mommy.

My husband's grandmother loved children and loved to cook. I had a dream of her in heaven. She was in a kitchen cooking with children all around her. I had another dream of arriving in Heaven after the Rapture and greeting a boy that accepted the Lord because of me and then was killed in Viet Nam. He ran to meet me and my husband. Whether these things are any indication of what is really there or not, I don*#39;t know. But, during the time that I had these dreams and another where we ate at long tables in a huge assembly building, I had no ordinary dreams. It was at a time that I was learning an awful lot from Scripture, so fast I could hardly keep up with it. I felt like I had a tiger by the tail. I hope the dreams are for real, but if not, we have an awful lot in Scripture that we can trust 100 per cent.

The Lord loves you and he loves your son. Jesus said he would never leave us. He is with you now. Allow him to comfort you...Shalom.

My heartfelt thanks to all who like my Web Site. God's wonderful blessings on you all. May we meet at the assembly in Heaven right after the Rapture.

In Christ,
(Mrs.) Marilyn J. Agee

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