In this book, Frances Rolleston said of the Zodiac, "It has always and every where been traced back to the earliest race of man. The Hebrews, Chaldeans, Persians, and Arabs imputed its invention to Adam, Seth, and Enoch."...
A remarkable testimony that then and with these inventors astronomy originated is extant and accessible. It is that of the learned Jew Josephus, who, living at the time of the destruction of the Temple by Titus, refers for his authorities to ancient writers whose names alone remain to us. He attributes the invention of the science to "the family of Seth the son of Adam," when, the life of man then extending to near a thousand years, they were enabled to ascertain from actual observation the return of the heavenly bodies to the same positions in cycles and periods, which in after ages it has required the labour of successive generations to verify....
Enoch, his descendant, with whom he was long cotemporary, is said by tradition to have given names to the stars: the further development of prophecy that appears among the constellations annexed to the signs, above and below them, may then be referred to him. * "The family of Seth" thus devised, carried on, and completed this great work, which remains to us an unchanged memorial of their piety, their intellect, and the revelation which they were endeavouring to perpetuate.
From 5 Doves site:
William Zambrano (4 May)
"Re: Pope kisses Koran
...I did a search on Patriarch Raphael I of Iraq and was surprised at what I found. If you go to http://www.catholic.org/media/news/featurearticles/feat121798.htm you will see that Patriarch Raphael I Bidawid is the leader of the 800,000 Chaldean-rite Catholics in Iraq.
Patriarch Raphael is Catholic!!
Why in the world would a Catholic Patriarch hand the Pope a Koran??!!...
from Catholic World News
Chaldean Patriarch condemns Clinton bombing decision
[The leader of the 800,000 Chaldean-rite Catholics in Iraq, Patriarch Raphael I Bidawid...
...If this scripture in 1 Corinthians 15 was referring to the pre-tribulation rapture, as has been widely taught, death for all saints would have not been swallowed up yet. We have seen very clearly in the breaking of the fifth seal in the second half of the tribulation, that the false prophet targets the saints and kills many of them. So death is not swallowed up until the resurrection of the last believer....
We Shall ALL Be Changed
That verse says, "we shall ALL be changed," not we shall all be changed at the same time. It is saying that at this point in time when the last rapture occurs All NOW shall have been changed,...the overcoming bride had already been changed, given their resurrected bodies previously at the pre- tribulation rapture and now the tribulation saints are being changed and receiving their resurrected bodies at the end of the shortened tribulation. Together, they make up the whole body of Christ who are ALL changed at this final rapture....
These are my beliefs concerning Coronation Day:
I expect it to be the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord, Tishri 1, 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007). That's 7 good years and 7 bad years from Sept. 13, 1993, when the Oslo Accords were signed. They were ratified in Israel 3 days later, on Tishri 1, 5754. Adding the 7 good and 7 bad years brings us to Tishri 1, 5768, which happens to fall on Sept. 13, 2007.
That is 40 years plus another 120 days from when Israel took the temple area in the Six-Day War of 1967. This same time span, 40 years plus another 120 days stretched from when Jesus went to the temple and presented himself as king (Palm Sunday) to when the temple was burned in 70 AD. That seems to be a pattern. Refused as king the 1st time, on Earth, he will become king the 2nd time, in Heaven.
The day Jesus Christ is crowned king will be the greatest day--ever. It will even be Joshua/Jesus' long day. The Coronation is on Tishri 1, Jesus' birthday. Song of Sol. 3:11 (LITV) says, "Go forth, O daughters of Zion, and see King Solomon with the crown with which his mother crowned him on his wedding day, even on the day of the gladness of his heart."
Since the Marriage of the Lamb will follow the Coronation, and the 144,000 Israelites are part of the Bride group (Rev. 14:4,5), maybe the Tribulation saints of Rev. 7 will be called to the "general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant" (Heb. 12:23) just before the Coronation ceremony.
The order of events in Heaven that 1st day of the Millennium seems to be the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the Coronation, the Marriage of the Lamb, the Judgment Seat of Christ and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. Mt. 24:31 says, "he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (the 'last trump' of I Cor. 15:51,52), and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."
Speaking of this very same time, Mark 13:27 says, "then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN." Since the Bride saints that were caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture will be gathered from Heaven to the general assembly at the same time that the Bride group of the Tribulation saints are gathered from Earth, I now assume that both will be in the crowd that will see Jesus Christ crowned.
Dan 7:9-14 (LXX) says, "I beheld until the thrones were set, and the Ancient of days sat; and his raiment was white as snow, and the hair of his head, as pure wool: his throne was a flame of fire, and his wheels burning fire. A stream of fire rushed forth before him: thousand thousands ministered to him, and ten thousands of myriads, attended upon him: the judgment sat, and the books were opened. I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which that horn spoke, until the wild beast was slain and destroyed, and his body given to be burnt with fire. And the dominion of the rest of the wild beasts was taken away; but a prolonging of life was given them for certain times. I beheld in the night vision, and, lo, one coming with the clouds of heaven as the Son of man (Jesus Christ, Mt. 24:30), and he came on to the Ancient of days (God the Father), and was brought near to him. And to him (Christ) was given the dominion, and the honour, and THE KINGDOM; and ALL NATIONS, tribes, and languages, SHALL SERVE HIM: his dominion is AN EVERLASTING DOMINION, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom shall not be destroyed."
Previously, I assumed that the Marriage of the Lamb followed his Coronation, then the Judgment Seat of Christ took place. Now, I think the Judgment Seat of Christ convenes right after the Coronation, then the Marriage of the Lamb and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb take place.
Rev. 19:1-9 says, "I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: For true and righteous are HIS JUDGMENTS: FOR HE HATH JUDGED THE GREAT WHORE, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, AND HATH AVENGED THE BLOOD OF HIS SERVANTS AT HER HAND. And again they said, Alleluia. And HER SMOKE ROSE UP for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia. ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for THE MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB IS COME, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness (lit., righteousnesses, including Christ's righteousness imputed to us and our righteous acts) of saints. And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB."
Psa. 75:2,3 (KJV) says, "When I shall receive (laqach, send for, take up, receive) the congregation (mowed, a set solemn feast, appointed time, a solemn assembly, due season, i.e., the general assembly of Heb. 12:23 on the Feast of Trumpets) I will JUDGE uprightly. The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved: I bear up the pillars of it. Selah" (meaning stop and think of that). If it weren't for God holding the Earth together, there could be 2 Asteroid Belts in this solar system.
Psa. 75:2 (Darby) says, "When I shall receive the assembly, I will judge with equity."
Rev. 11:17,18 says, "We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come (2nd Advent is 7 months later, Eze. 39:12,13); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and HAST REIGNED. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED, and that thou shouldest GIVE REWARD UNTO THY SERVANTS the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND shouldest DESTROY THEM WHICH DESTROY THE EARTH." Agape
Here I go off on another tangent. I was thinking of "patience" in Rev. 3:10, but realized that "patient continuance" was found in the NT. Since I thought to use it, I did a search for it. Finding it in Rom. 2:7, I saw more in the surrounding verses than I realized was there. Once more, I found something unexpected on the way to looking up something else. It ties in with I Cor. 15:51f and indicates that immortality is actually given to us at the Judgment Seat of Christ.
Let's take a look at Rom. 2:5-8. The time is the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord. This is the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ, also the Day of God's Wrath and the Marriage of the Lamb. It is also the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture at the "last trump" of God, which sounds before the Judgment Seat of Christ convenes, and therefore before the 1st of the 7 trumpet judgments sound.
Rom. 2:5-8 says, "after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the DAY OF WRATH and revelation of the righteous JUDGMENT OF GOD (i.e., Judgment Seat of Christ); Who will render to every man according to his deeds: TO THEM who by PATIENT CONTINUANCE in well doing SEEK FOR GLORY AND HONOUR AND IMMORTALITY, ETERNAL LIFE (given us at the Judgment Seat of Christ): But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath." Those believers in Heaven receive eternal life, and those unbelievers on Earth receive God's wrath.
We now seek for immortality. Believers are promised immortality, so it is a sure thing, but we will actually be made immortal at the Judgment Seat of Christ. That is when we will literally be changed. By that time, both the Pre-Trib Rapture and the Pre-Wrath Rapture will have already taken place.
I Cor. 15:49-54 says, "as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall (in the future) also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren (believers), that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep (i.e., die), but WE (including Paul) SHALL ALL (participants of both Raptures) BE CHANGED, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP (at the time of the Pre-Wrath Rapture): for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and WE SHALL BE CHANGED. FOR THIS CORRUPTIBLE MUST PUT ON INCORRUPTION, AND THIS MORTAL MUST PUT ON IMMORTALITY. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."
Some will put on incorruption at the Pre-Trib Rapture, but they will put on immortality as the Tribulation saints receive immortality. The whole Body of Christ will become immortal at once.
I Cor. 15:42-44 says, "the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is RAISED IN INCORRUPTION: It is sown in dishonour; it is RAISED IN GLORY: it is sown in weakness; it is RAISED IN POWER: It is sown a natural body; it is RAISED A SPIRITUAL BODY. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."
Regarding the Judgment Seat of Christ, Rom. 2:7 says, "TO THEM WHO BY PATIENT CONTINUANCE IN WELL DOING SEEK FOR GLORY AND HONOUR AND IMMORTALITY, ETERNAL LIFE."
You know what, one of these times, we will be right. The Rapture will take place and we will have no more chance to tell people to get ready. What we are going to do has to be done before the Lord comes for us. We are not to hide our light under a basket. Agape
Are you suggesting the "star" the magi saw and followed was for Herod's death, not Jesus' birth?
I have been pondering on a theory for awhile now...If one were to read the final end-time events that are to take place on the earth politically in various nations around the world, one might conclude as I did that these things are not completely in place to happen immediately after the rapture (should the rapture happen very soon). *I am not a rapture guesser. This is only a theory.* I recently told a friend that I think the world could be incited to "mock" any believers that come to the Lord after the rapture by the mere fact that seven years will come and go without the return of Christ taking place yet. I theorize it could take as much as 40 years after the rapture to see certain things come into place before the culmination of sin leads to death (the final 3 1/2 yrs) on the earth. I was astounded the other day to hear Chuck Missler offer the very same theory, only he suggested a 30 year gap. This is based on a rapture happening very soon.
I think the star at Jesus' birth and the darkness at Jesus' death (followed by His resurrection and ascension) can somehow be related to end-time events i.e. rapture and then victorious return with a 40 year gap between them. However, one problem I perceive is that His birth would more easily be correlated to His victorious return. And His ascension would more easily be correlated to the rapture. Nevertheless, I think I'm onto something. I'm just not exactly sure what!
I have been reading about planetary alignments taking place right now that I don't really understand. But those reporting it are very excited. The next time this is scheduled to take place is in 38 years! I can't draw perfect parallels here, but this present planetary alignment is supposedly going to hang right over Israel in such a way that the whole world will be able to view it. That in itself is significant.
Well, it's not very scientific, but it works for my end-time "gap" theory. Let me know what you think. God bless
No. They are two separate things. Josephus said that not long before Herod died, there was a Lunar eclipse.
> > I theorize it could take as much as 40 years after the rapture to see certain things come into place before the culmination of sin leads to death (the final 3 1/2 yrs) on the earth. I was astounded the other day to hear Chuck Missler offer the very same theory, only he suggested a 30 year gap. This is based on a rapture happening very soon.
For me, I think there is very little time between the Pre-Trib Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation. In Rev. 17:10, we find that at time of the Rapture, one king is in power. That is the Beast of Rev. 13:2-10, the 6th head of the great red dragon. I think he will be the Tribulation Pope. The False Prophet hasn't yet begun to rule. It says, "the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." This space is the shortened Great Tribulation.
In Rev. 17, the Rapture has just taken place, "they that are with him (the Lamb, Christ) are called, and chosen (as the Bride), and faithful" (v. 14). Verse 12 says, "the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet." These are already kings, but have no kingdom when the Rapture takes place.
Yet, in Rev. 13:1, the ten horns are already crowned at the beginning of the Tribulation. The Beast will rule 42 months (v. 5), the 1st half of the Tribulation.
When the Rapture takes place, both the Beast and the 10 kings are in power as kings, but they haven't yet received their kingdoms. No 40 years could be placed in between. To me, the gap seems short.
> > planetary alignments taking place right now
One place on the Internet said this was the first time this has happened in 6000 years. Another said it wouldn't happen again in our lifetime. If one had a telescope, on some nights it has been possible to see all the planets of this solar system in one night. This dance of the planets will keep up until May 17 and 18, Pentecost. That makes it even more interesting.
Have you seen any of the pictures of the sky lately? Here's one.
This is the sky on May 18, 2002. What are the planets pointing to? Gemini, the constellation often called the twins. There is a male and a female figure sitting together on the ecliptic. And what does Gemini symbolize in the gospel in the stars? The Bride and Bridegroom (Christ) seated together in heavenly places. Gemini is the sign of the tribe of Benjamin, which means son of my right hand. This shows that this Bridegroom is Christ.
Eph 2:4-7 ties in. It says, "God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath RAISED US UP together, and made us SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus."
This lineup is special. Agape
Psa. 40:1-3 says, "I waited PATIENTLY for the LORD (as in Rev. 3:10); and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up (the Rapture) also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay (as Jeremiah was lifted out of the miry pit with a strong cord and rotten rags, i.e., Christ's righteousness contrasted to ours), and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven), and established my goings. And he hath put a new song (sung after the Rapture, Rev. 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT, AND FEAR, AND SHALL TRUST IN THE LORD." Agape
Marilyn, It makes me laugh that Christians, who are supposed to be examples of love as taught by Jesus fall into the same traps as non-believers every chance they get. The email system at my office automatically places "Low Priority" on my emails. I cannot remove this header. Yet, many who post to your website poke fun at it. I just beam at the lack of genuine love these "believers" exhibit. Every jab and nasty bit of sarcasm they send out simply reinforces my point that they are just "pretenders" who like to talk the talk, but won't walk the walk. I'll see them all in hell. Rich
Re: ending up in hell. You could so easily escape being sent there. Oh! if you could only see this. Only those who don't truly accept Yeshua as their Saviour will be there. You can't save yourself. None of us can. Can't you see that you need Yeshua to save you from that end? Without a Redeemer, we are all on a slick slide to hell and a rocky landing. In Eze 18:31 (Stone), the Lord said, "Cast off from upon yourselves all your transgressions through which you have transgressed, and make for yourselves a new heart and a new spirit. Why should you die, O House of Israel?"
How would one cast off all their transgressions of the past? We can amend the present, but what is past is beyond our capabilities to change. Do you know that accepting Yeshua/"HASHEM, your Redeemer," wipes out past sins? You get a fresh start with a clean slate. You get the indwelling Holy Spirit to help you too.
Isa. 48:12-18 (Stone) says, "Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, as he was called by Me: I am He; I am the first ('HASHEM, King of Israel,' Isa. 44:6), also I am the last ('its Redeemer, HASHEM, Master of Legions,' Isa. 44:6). Also, My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand has measured out the heavens; I call to them and they stand together....Approach me, hear this: I did not speak in secrecy at first; from the time [the decree] was issued I was there. And now, My Lord, (1) HASHEM/ELOHIM, has sent (2) me with (3) His spirit. Thus said HASHEM, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: I am HASHEM, your God, Who instructs you for [your] benefit, Who guides you in the way you should follow. If you had hearkened to My commandments, your peace would [flow] like a river and your righteousness like the waves of the sea."
Israel would have peace right now if she had completely followed HASHEM, the Redeemer. She will learn her lesson the hard way. The nation will be born in a day (Isa. 66:7,8). I hope you will be among the born again and reside in safety on the Day of God's Wrath.
Zeph. 2:3-5 (Stone) says, "Seek HASHEM, all you humble of the land who have fulfilled His law; seek righteousness, seek humility. Perhaps you will be concealed on the day of HASHEM's anger. For Gaza will be deserted; and Ashkelon become a wasteland; they will drive out Ashdod's residents at noon; and Ekron will be uprooted. Woe to the inhabitants of the seacoast."
What will happen that day? The answer is in Rev. 8:8. The CJB says, "The second angel sounded his shofar, and what looked like an enormous blazing mountain (an asteroid) was hurled into the sea" (the Mediterranean Sea).
This asteroid seems to be a binary twice as long as wide. The pieces will break apart, causing a rain of rocks "just as a fig tree drops its figs when shaken by a strong wind" (Rev. 6:13, CJB). The larger piece will destroy Babylon in Iraq. Rev. 8:10 (CJB) says, "The third angel sounded his shofar; and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky onto a third of the rivers and onto the springs of water."
Zech. 5:3 (Stone) says, "This is the curse that is going out (i.e., orbiting) over the surface of the whole land." Rev. 18:21 (CJB) explains, "Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a great millstone, and hurled it into the sea, saying, "With violence like this will the great city Bavel be hurled down, never to be found again!" Agape
Also, I think the time of Jacob's trouble is one day, the Day of God's Wrath. Dan 12:1,2 says, "at that time (when the False Prophet is deposed, 11:45) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION EVEN TO THAT SAME TIME: and at that time (when Gog's army attacks Israel) thy people shall be delivered (the Pre-Wrath Rapture, one literal day), every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake."
In Rev. 3:10 (LITV). Jesus says to the wise Philadelphian virgins, "Because you kept the Word of My patience, I also will keep you OUT OF the hour of TRIAL which is going to come on ALL THE HABITABLE WORLD in order to try those dwelling on the earth. This is not just Israel's trial. The whole world is to be on trial.
There are three 2000-year ages, the Age of the Gentiles, the Age of the Jews, and the Age of the Church. It looks like all 3 ages will end with a trial that lasts about 7 years. The trial for the Gentiles and the Church will run concurrently with Israel's 70th week of Daniel. The part of the Church that will go through the trial that precedes the Judgment Seat of Christ will be the foolish virgins that get left behind at the Pre-Trib Rapture.
1Co 10:11 (LITV) says, "all these things happened to those as examples, and it was written for our warning, on whom the ENDS OF THE AGES have come." All three ages have their LAST WEEK OF YEARS running at the same time. They couldn't all have the same horrendous catastrophy happen at 3 different times. If that would take place, there would be no flesh left. As it is, the time has to be shortened to preserve a remnant on Earth. Agape
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