Pro and Con 903

Posted 5-16-02

God's messages to all the world

Isa. 18:3-7 says, "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign (nec, flag, sign, i.e., the new EU 'barcode' flag?) on the mountains (kingdoms); and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye. (Christ's trumpet like voice will say 'Come up hither,' Rev. 4:1) For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider (nabat, see, look closely at) in my dwelling place (His Place, Heaven) like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest (Pentecost?). For afore the harvest, when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower (there are already sour grapes in Israel), he shall both (i.e., he will do 2 things, take the Bride saints to Heaven and cut off the foolish virgins) cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks, and take away (rapture the Bride saints) and cut down the branches (i.e., with no fruit). They (the foolish Laodicean virgins) shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth (the Beast and False Prophet): and the fowls shall summer (then the Pre-Trib Rapture is in the spring) upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them. In that time shall the present be brought unto the LORD of hosts of a people scattered and peeled" (the Rapture of the Tribulation saints).

Isa 34:1-16 says, "Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it. For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter. Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood. And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll (6th seal): and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. For my sword ('the curse' Zech. 5:1-4; the binary asteroid) shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.... For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever. But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness....There shall the great owl make her nest, and lay, and hatch, and gather under her shadow: there shall the vultures also be gathered, every one with her mate. Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate (compare with other scriptures; put like things together): for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them."

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Re: Double Rainbow
It's been a while since I visited your site but I use to visit every single night....guess I got distracted. On Monday may 13 We saw a beautiful double rainbow over Indian Head Md. (I instantly thought of you and your site) All over the place people were pulled over to stop and see was amazing.. I called our family in Northern Virginia and they could see it almost 35 miles away. For the 15 mins it was visible everything seemed so peaceful and everyone around were in aww. It was followed by an awsome sunset. I was just wondering if anyone else reported this also.

My reply

Thanks for telling me about it. Yours is the 1st report of this double rainbow. Did you notice if it was darker in between the bows? The one we were in the end of was evenly darker between the color bows, and the colors were reversed in the 2nd bow.

This is a good reminder for us that the Rapture is as the days of Noah. Agape

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Re: The Bride with the Lord
Hello My Sister in the Lord, There are not words to Thank You for your obedience to our Wonderful Lord, for studying the Word and making it available; as the Lord instructed you when that light fell on the page.

I was just thinking about what we might be doing this time next week. I was reminded of Deuteronomy 24:5 - 'When a Man hath taken a new wife, He shall not go out to war, neither shall He be charged with any business; but He shall be free at Home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which He hath taken.'

Isn't it a lovely thought to think that we could apply this verse to The Lord Jesus and the Raptured Saints. Just to think that for one year He will show special love for us and we will build up more and more Love for Him!

Here, There, or in the Air,
(the one who died and went to Heaven and back in 1963)

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

Now you have me wondering if that could also hint that there wouldn't be war during the 1st year of the Tribulation. War comes under the 2nd seal. I think the seals are broken about one a year until the shortening, which is between the 6th and 7th seals. The 6th is broken on the last day of this age, and the 7th on the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord. After the 6th is broken in Rev. 6:12, we are told in v. 17 that "the great day of his wrath is come."

At the beginning of the Day of God's Wrath, at 6 PM, the angels hold back the destruction (Rev. 7:1-3) until the Tribulation saints are raptured (Rev. 7:9,14) during the night or morning. Zeph. 2:1-3 says, "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired; Before the decree (choq, set time) bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid (cathar, be absent, i.e., be raptured, caught up to Heaven) in the day of the LORD'S anger."

Of the time after the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place, Zeph. 2:4,5 says, "Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod (meaning ravager) at the NOON day, and Ekron (eradication) shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast, the nation of the Cherethites (executioners, i.e., Arafat's crowd)! the word of the LORD is against you; O Canaan (humiliated), the land of the Philistines, I will even destroy thee, that there shall be no inhabitant."

At noon, the "great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea (the Mediterranean): and the third part of the sea became blood" (Rev. 8:8). Shaken down by the earthquake and lain flat by the initial blast, the cities of the sea coast will be wiped clean by the resulting tsunami. Agape
From 5 Doves site, 5-12-02 - Closing of the door
William Anderson -

I need help on understanding if there is a definite time period that in which no man can be included as part of the bride of Christ.

I believe I fully understand the parable of the 10 virgins where the 5 foolish had insufficient oil (anointing) and while they went to buy oil the Master arrived and the door was closed. The reason for my question is, say the rapture were to take place on May 18th and someone were to be saved today being May 12th and finally after the prayer of salvation he received the gift of the Holy Spirit, would he be part of the bride?

Also am I understanding the following scripture from Revelation correctly.

Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Does it mean at a certain time before the rapture no matter what you do, it would be impossible to be included as part of the bride?

My interest in this is due to whether there is a connection with Dr. Swanson’s calculations of May 9th being the rapture day (9 = finality)

This may have been the final cut off of the bride and the start of a 10 day count down to May 18th (both dates inclusive) as per the letter of Jim Bramlett.

Or this was the start of a 9 day count down 9th May + 9 = 18th May. (9 9 = final final), Always looking up. William
Also on 5 Doves site:
William Anderson -
"The rapture is in ??? " - May 12th, 2002

This morning I experienced something that brought tremendous excitement to me. I’m sure we all experienced at some time or other being woken up by someone with distant words like “William here is your coffee” and slightly confused you finally realize that it’s morning and you look around and find your coffee waiting for you. Now before I tell you what happened this morning I must first paint a picture for you. Since 1977 after being born again I have been obsessed with the rapture. In the last two weeks I have been following this posting intensively. I have been praying every night that God gives me dreams relating to the rapture. I stay alone and no one brings me coffee in the morning. Well this morning I was awoken by the words “William the rapture is in ???” (The month only was spoken) Well as I moved from sleep mode to my awaken state I did not look around for anyone. In my spirit I new the identity of voice. I intentionally never quoted the month but know this we are not talking the 11th hour here, using the prophetic clock we are talking a few seconds. Let’s hold fast to our faith, be filled with the Spirit and warn the lost. Always looking up. William.

My thoughts after a phone call from Dr. Swanson on 5-11-02

One thing he emphasized several times is that the 6th seal can't possibly be on the eve of Tishri 1, because the word for "moon" in Rev. 6:12 means the "full moon." Actually, Elul 29 is the dark Moon. The next day, Tishri 1, is the crescent Moon.

I don't think it has to mean the full moon, like the fully lighted disk at Tabernacles, Tishri 15, or at the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Nisan 15. I think it means ALL OF THE MOON, THE WHOLE MOON. Rev. 6:12 (KJV) says, "there was an earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the MOON BECAME AS BLOOD."

What causes a blood Moon? I have seen two total Lunar Eclipses that showed the whole disk of the Full Moon coppery red. Why can the whole disk of the moon be seen even when totally eclipsed? It reflects Earthshine. Lunar eclipses happen at the Full Moon, but keep this blood-red effect and it's cause in mind. The Earth gets between the Sun and the Moon, blocking out Sunlight. Then Earthshine turns the Moon red. Here are some blood Moons. Even crescent Moons can look red.


Lunar eclipses of 4-93, 4-3-96, 7-16-00, and 1-9-01


These reddish crescent Moons were on 4-93 and 12-25-00.

When there is a total Lunar Eclipse, some sunlight passes through Earth's atmosphere and is bent enough to light up the disk of the Moon. Our atmosphere preferentially scatters blue light, making our sky blue. The atmosphere passes and refracts red light. Thus we can see the red light reflected back from the fully eclipsed Moon.

On Sept. 12, 2007, the Moon rises about 4:15 AM, so it is in the sky in the daytime. The Sun and Moon are close together, so normally, we would not see the Dark Moon. However, strange things start to happen at the breaking of the 6th seal. Here is a possible scenario for the last day of this age. The binary asteroid that is twice as long as wide (Zech. 5:1-4)will be approaching Earth's orbit. It will probably break apart, releasing a flurry of smaller rocks. Rev. 6:12-17 says, "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood: And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, even as a fig-tree casteth its untimely figs, when it is shaken by a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and isle were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bond-man, and every free-man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne (the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30), and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come (at 6 PM, Tishri 1, 5768 begins); and who will be able to stand?" The 2 larger pieces of the asteroid will strike at noon on this Feast of Trumpets (Rev. 8:8,10).

This picture from Your Sky depicts 11AM on Elul 29, 5767 (Sept. 12, 2007), the Eve of Trumpets. Saturn is in conjunction with Regulus, the King Star in Leo, the last sign in the Zodiac that started with Virgo. Venus is nearby. This is the view from Jerusalem. The Moon looks like my Web background color in my copy. It looked black on Your Sky. Notice how close together the Sun and Moon are. If the Moon was covering the Sun, there would be an eclipse of the Sun. Now imagine the smoke from the earthquake-set fires and the flaming incoming rocks causing the Sun to look as "black as sackcloth of hair."

It seems to me that with the Sun darkened, the normally "Dark Moon" could easily look blood red as it reflected the fires caused by the earthquake and the wildfires the incoming flaming rocks ignite on Earth.

The Greek word for moon in Rev. 6:12 is "selene." Strong's says, "moon." It does not even mention the full moon as a possibility. Green's Interlinear merely has "moon" under the word "selene" in the Greek and in his translation. His footnote has, "+ hole whole (moon) GLTTrAW" (i.e., Griesbach, Lachmann, Tischendorf, Tregelles, Alford and Wordsworth).

Young's says that holos means "All, the whole, entire." It is used in Rev. 12:9, "that old serpent..which deceiveth THE WHOLE WORLD." The "Dark Moon" illuminated would show people the entire lunar disk.

Thayer's has selene, moon, from selas brightness. Selenes is used in I Cor. 15:41: "There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the MOON, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory." Selenes is also used in Rev. 8:12: "the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the MOON, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise." Selene is used in Rev. 12:1: "there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the MOON under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars." Selenes is used in Rev. 19:23: "the city had no need of the sun, neither of the MOON, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof." In these, the meaning is "moon," not necessarily the full moon.

Below is Rev. 6:12 in other translations. I think the 6th seal will be broken on Elul 29, 5767 (Sept. 12, 2007), the Eve of the Feast of Trumpets on Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007).

(ASV) "I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and THE WHOLE MOON became as blood."

(Darby) "I saw when it opened the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as hair sackcloth, and THE WHOLE MOON became as blood."

(NAB) "I watched while he broke open the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; the sun turned as black as dark sackcloth and THE WHOLE MOON became like blood."

(WEB) "I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake. The sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and THE WHOLE MOON became as blood."

(CONCORDANT LITERAL) "I perceived, when It opens the sixth seal, and a great cataclysm occurred, and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and THE WHOLE MOON became as blood."

(JB) "When he broke the sixth seal, there was a violent earthquake and the sun went as black as coarse sackcloth; the moon turned red as blood ALL OVER."

I think the 7 trumpet judgments will take place on the Feast of Trumpets in a Jewish Leap Year, just 7 months before the Second Advent on Nisan 1 (Eze. 29:17,22). There are other scriptures that lead me to think that the final catastrophe happens on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets that is the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord. Like Solomon, Christ will purge his kingdom right away. That 1st day will be the Day of God's Wrath. The 7 trumpet judgments will hit Earth, including the two large pieces of the asteroid (Rev. 8:8,10).

The day of destruction is a feast day. Mal. 2:1-3 (KJV) says, "now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a CURSE (Zech. 5:1-4, i.e., the binary asteroid that is twice as long as wide) upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of YOUR SOLEMN FEASTS; AND ONE (the Feast of Trumpets) SHALL TAKE YOU AWAY WITH IT."

Hos. 5:7-10 says, "They have dealt treacherously against the LORD: for they have begotten strange children: now shall a MONTH (chodesh, NEW MOON, i.e., Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets) devour them with their portions. Blow ye the cornet in Gibeah, and the TRUMPET in Ramah: cry aloud at Bethaven, after thee, O Benjamin. Ephraim shall be desolate in the day of rebuke: among the tribes of Israel have I made known that which shall surely be. The princes of Judah were like them that remove the bound: therefore I will pour out MY WRATH upon them like water."

Ex. 12:2 says, "This MONTH (chodesh, new moon) shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month (chodesh, new moon) of the year to you." The date here is Nisan 1. Chodesh means the new moon, which is the 1st day of the month.

Hos. 9:5-7 says, "What will ye do in the solemn day, and in THE DAY OF THE FEAST OF THE LORD? For, lo, they are gone because of DESTRUCTION: Egypt shall gather them up, Memphis shall bury them: the pleasant places for their silver, nettles shall possess them: thorns shall be in their tabernacles. THE DAYS OF VISITATION ARE COME, THE DAYS OF RECOMPENCE ARE COME; Israel shall know it: the prophet (False Prophet) is a fool, the spiritual man (the Beast, probably the Tribulation Pope) is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred." Hatred of what? Could it be the Jews? He is said to have sold Hitler canisters of gas used to kill the Jews.

Joel 1:14,15 says, "Sanctify ye a fast (during the Days of Awe that precede the Day of Atonement, only feast that is a fast day), call a solemn assembly (i.e., in Heaven on the Feast of Trumpets), Heb. 12:23), gather the elders (12 patriarchs and 12 apostles of Israel) and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the LORD your God, and cry unto the LORD, Alas for the day! for THE DAY OF THE LORD IS AT HAND, AND AS A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY SHALL IT COME." It makes sense that the millennial Day of the Lord would begin on Tishri 1. I think the Sabbath when God rested after creating Adam was Tishri 1. The yearly calendar started then until the Exodus.

Joel 2:1-3 says, "Joel 2:1 Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for THE DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (Gog's army, Eze. 38); there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them."

Eze 7:14 says, "They have blown the TRUMPET, even to make all ready; but none goeth to the battle: for MY WRATH is upon all the multitude thereof."

Psa 47:5 God is gone up with a shout (Rapture 2), the LORD with the sound of a trumpet.

Psa 81:3 Blow up the trumpet in the new moon (chodesh, 1st of the month), in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day." That's the Feast of Trumpets on Tishri 1.

Eze 7:14 They have blown the trumpet, even to make all ready; but none goeth to the battle: for my wrath is upon all the multitude thereof.

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Re: Date of Pentecost - Sunday, May 19th?
Acording to Chuck Missler's website, in particular his calendar page at: for May 17th (6 Sivan) when you click on "Historical Events" for that date the following note appears:

The Feast of Weeks - Pentecost. Was to be celebrated 50 days after the Feast of First Fruits. Both were always celebrated on a Sunday. Contemporary Jewish practice yields to traditions other than the Torah. Shavuot is observed on the 6th of Sivan in current practice.

My reply

There are different ways of figuring the 50 days, the meaning of Pentecost. Some think Pentecost always has to be on Sunday, but is that true? I don't think so.

Here is Lev. 23:4-16 in the LXX (Septuagint). "These are the feasts to the Lord, holy convocations (i.e., all feasts are Sabbaths, days of rest), which ye shall call in their seasons. In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, between the evening times (6 PM on the 13th to 6 PM on the 14th) is the Lord's passover."

Lev. 23:32 says of the Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, which is a Sabbath other than Saturday, "It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even (6 PM), from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath."

Joh 19:31 says, "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation (Nisan 13), that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day [i.e., Passover is a sabbath, and it isn't the Saturday Sabbath], (for that sabbath day was an HIGH DAY [i.e., a feast day, Passover, Friday],) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." The 3 feasts, Passover, Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits, fell on Friday, Saturday and Sunday in 30 AD, but they do not always fall on those same days of the week.

Continuing in Lev. 23: "And on the fifteenth day of this month is the FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD to the Lord; seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread. And the FIRST DAY (Nisan 15) shall be A HOLY CONVOCATION (i.e., a Sabbath) to you: ye shall do no servile work. And ye shall offer whole-burnt- offerings to the Lord seven days; and the seventh day shall be a holy convocation to you: ye shall do no servile work.... When ye shall enter into the land which I give you, and reap the harvest of it, then shall ye bring a sheaf, the FIRST-FRUITS (Nisan 16) of your harvest, to the priest; and he shall lift up the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you. ON THE MORROW (Nisan 16) OF THE FIRST DAY (Nisan 15) the priest shall lift it up....And ye shall number to yourselves from the day after the sabbath (Nisan 16, THE MORROW OF THE FIRST DAY (Nisan 15) of Unleavened Bread, which is a holy convocation, a sabbath), from the day on which ye shall offer the sheaf of the heave-offering, seven full weeks: until THE MORROW AFTER THE LAST WEEK ye shall number fifty days, and shall bring a new meat-offering to the Lord" (on Pentecost).

The counting of the Omer starts with the Feast of Firstfruits. This year, Nisan 16 was on Friday. Adding "seven full weeks," we would end up on Friday, Sivan 6, 5762 (May 17, 2002). The next day is the 50th day--Pentecost, May 18, Saturday.

I am hoping the Pre-Trib Rapture will be that day. To go to Saturn on Satur(n)day would be fitting. The 7th day is Shabbat in Hebrew. The 7th heavenly body (according to Josephus, the Sun was included) as represented by the eastern lamp on the candlestick in the temple, is the Hebrew Shabbatai, Saturn. This gives us a good clue. Satur(n)day, May 18, 2002, seems the most likely day for the Rapture to me.

Here is the sky on May 18. Saturn is closer to the Earth than it was May 5th, when the equilateral triangle of Venus, Mars, and Saturn was seen.

Notice how these planets point to Gemini. That is the Bride and Bridegroom sitting together in heavenly places, on the ecliptic, where Saturn travels. Eph 2:6 says, "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus."

Those 2 prominent stars above Jupiter in Gemini are CASTOR AND POLLUX. Castor means the ruler, or judge. Pollux means who comes to labor and suffer. This sign is Thaumin, the united, in Hebrew, like the completion of a betrothal. We will be united with Christ in heavenly places. The sign fits.

Gemini was the sign of Benjamin, which means son of my right hand. That too suggests Christ, and identifies the Bridegroom with Christ.

In Acts 28:11, Paul said, "after THREE MONTHS (Sivan is the 3rd month) we DEPARTED (anago, to be taken up) IN A SHIP of Alexandria, which had wintered in the isle, WHOSE SIGN WAS CASTOR AND POLLUX."

If the Rapture isn't on Pentecost, it could be "after" the 3rd month. The 1st of Tamuz is June 11. Between then and the arrival of Summer on June 21, would still work with Song of Sol. 2:10-14.

In Mat 24:32,33, Jesus said, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel); When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., not over 19), and putteth forth leaves (Sinai, West Bank, Golen Heights, Gaza Strip in the Six-Day War of 1967, when Israel was 19), ye know that SUMMER IS NIGH (the war started June 5; summer started June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it ('the kingdom of God, Lu. 21:31, i.e., the Rapture) is near, even at the doors" (a symbol of the Rapture, Rev. 3:8).

Stay ready and keep watching. The new EU flag may be a sign.

Isa 18:3-6 says, "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign (flag) on the mountains (kingdoms); and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye. (A trumpet is blown on Pentecost).

Isa 18:4,5 also suggests spring. It says, "For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest (suggesting the Saturday Sabbath and feast days), and I will consider (lit., see, look at) in my dwelling place (Heaven) like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. For afore the harvest, when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower (as it is right now in Israel), he shall both cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks, and take away (Rapture those with fruit) and cut down the branches (cut off those with no fruit). They shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts (the Beast and False Prophet) of the earth: and the fowls shall summer upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them."

That sounds like May 18. We will know soon. Agape

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