Pro and Con 904

Posted 5-17-02

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Re: type, font, new print
Since the type of lettering has changed on your website, I am unable to print the whole Pro and Con. It only prints the first line of each paragraph and then sometimes prints on top of the same line up to 4 or 5 times. Suggestions? _

My reply

Yes. I'll change back to what I had before. I don't want to create more problems than I solve. Agape
Someone very nice sent me the Concordant Version volume of Joshua, Judges, 1st and 2nd Samuel, 1st and 2nd Kings. I appreciate it very much, and can't wait to read more of it.

Joshua 6:8 mentions that "the seven priests, carrying the seven ALARM trumpets" marched around Jericho. That word "alarm" isn't in the KJV. It fits the type even better with "alarm trumpets." The Israelites will sure blow the alarm on the day every wall falls (Eze. 38:20; Nu. 10:1-10). It also says the priests blew the trumpets "continuously" as they walked in front of the Ark with it's two stones. Since the day this portrays is the day the two stone asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 impact Earth, "continuously" fits the occasion. Circling the city reminds us of the orbits of the asteroids prior to the impacts.

We know that Israel has the trumpets now. They went a long time without them. That is one more indication that the time depicted in Joshua is drawing nigh.
France and Britain demand powerful EU president
Eleven more moons found orbiting Jupiter, BY JEFF FOUST
5-16-02 Astronomers announced Thursday that they have discovered 11 additional moons orbiting the planet Jupiter, giving the giant planet more moons than any other...

The orbits are also all retrograde, meaning that the moons orbit Jupiter in the opposite direction of the planet's rotation.

Thursday's announcement increases the number of moons known to orbit Jupiter to 39. This puts the planet, the largest in the solar system, firmly in first place when ranking them by the number of moons. Saturn, formerly in first place, is now a distant second with 31 known moons....
Cosmic impacts tied to the rise and fall of dinosaurs
My message to S.Lewis on 5 Doves site:
I agree that Rev. 21:12,14 reveals who the 24 elders are, the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles of Israel. In II John 1:1 and III John 1.1, John tells us plainly that he is an elder. This too shows that when John is called up to Heaven in Rev. 4:1, twenty-three other elders are called up too. Agape

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my family was reading over Hebrews 6:4-6 and Heb.10:26-31. The way we understand these, are different from the interpretation given in our bible. To us it sounds like if you or I do something that we know is a sin then there is no covering for us anylonger. That we fall into judgment. Also we are crucifying Jesus all over again. Does this also mean we will be left behind to suffer tribulation? Can you help us to better understand these scriptures please. We all sin, even after receiving Christ. We know right from wrong but still we make wrong choices. Sometimes we go ahead and do or say something that we know if we do it is a sin, but we do it anyway. And then have regrets afterwards. I don't think we suffer lose of eternal life, but do we miss out on the first rapture?

Sorry if I sound ignorant. We all hope even if we sin that God will be merciful and forgive us. To me this sounds like wishful thinking. My husband asked me,"how can any of us be saved or escape the tribulation? because we all sin and do things that we know God hates even after being saved and repenting we still do bad stuff, we are flesh."

My reply

Heb 6:4-6 says, "it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

To me, tasting the Holy Spirit seems like when the Holy Spirit draws a person to Christ, giving them a good chance to become a believer, not like a believer that is baptized with, totally immersed in, the Holy Spirit of Christ. I think of it as if we were a cup, and Christ dipped our cup in the Holy Spirit. We would come up filled with the Holy Spirit. In Psa. 23:5, David said, "my cup runneth over."

Matthew Henry's Commentary says, "But the falling away here mentioned, is an open and avowed renouncing of Christ, from enmity of heart against him, his cause, and people, by men approving in their minds the deeds of his murderers, and all this after they have received the knowledge of the truth, and tasted some of its comforts. Of these it is said, that it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance. Not because the blood of Christ is not sufficient to obtain pardon for this sin; but this sin, in its very nature, is opposite to repentance and every thing that leads to it. If those who through mistaken views of this passage, as well as of their own case, fear that there is no mercy for them, would attend to the account given of the nature of this sin, that it is a total and a willing renouncing of Christ, and his cause, and joining with his enemies, it would relieve them from wrong fears....Believers not only taste of the word of God, but they drink it in."

Heb.10:26-31 says, "if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God....Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. For YE HAVE NEED OF PATIENCE, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise."

In his messages to the churches in Rev. 2 and 3, Jesus kept saying things like "He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death" and "hast borne, and hast PATIENCE, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted."

We need to be overcomers. As overcomers, we will be rewarded for our patience, or patient endurance. In Rev. 3:10, Jesus tells the wise Philadelphian virgins, "Because thou hast kept the word of my PATIENCE, I also will keep thee from (ek, out of, as in Rev. 5:9) the hour of temptation (peirasmos, trial), which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

Luk 21:19 In your PATIENCE possess ye your souls." Heb 6:12 says,"be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and PATIENCE inherit the promises." Heb 10:36 says, "ye have need of PATIENCE, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise." Heb 12:1 says, "seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with PATIENCE the race that is set before us." Jam 1:3,4 says, "Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh PATIENCE. But let PATIENCE have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing." Jam 5:7 says, "Be PATIENCE therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord." 2Pe 1:6 says that we are to add "to knowledge temperance; and to temperance PATIENCE ; and to PATIENCE godliness."

Of Heb 10:26-31, Matthew Henry's Commentary says "The exhortations against apostacy and to perseverance, are urged by many strong reasons. The sin here mentioned is a total and final falling away, when men, with a full and fixed will and resolution, despise and reject Christ, the only Saviour; despise and resist the Spirit, the only Sanctifier; and despise and renounce the gospel, the only way of salvation, and the words of eternal life."

> > I don't think we suffer lose of eternal life, but do we miss out on the first rapture?

I too believe in eternal security, once we accept Christ as our Saviour, but that doesn't guarantee that we will be chosen as part of the Bride-of-Christ group that will be kept out of the Tribulation.

In Song 2:16-18 (Tanach, Stone edition), we hear the foolish Laodicean virgins that got left behind say, "My Beloved (Christ) is mine, He fills all my needs and I seek from Him and none other. He grazes me in roselike bounty (f. lit., Who grazes [others] among the roses).UNTIL MY SIN BLOWS HIS FRIENDSHIP AWAY and sears me like the midday sun and HIS PROTECTION DEPARTS. MY SIN CAUSED HIM TO TURN AWAY." I say to him, "My Beloved, You became like a gazelle or lile a young hart on the distant mountains" (f. lit., upon the mountains of separation, out of reach).

We need to be "called, and CHOSEN, and faithful" (Rev. 17:14). Mt. 22:14 says that "many are called, but FEW ARE CHOSEN."

We must continually confess our sins to God so that he can cleanse us from all unrighteousness (I John 1:9). At the Marriage of the Lamb, "his wife hath made herself ready." She is wearing white for "the fine linen is the righteousness (lit., righteousnesses) of saints" (Rev. 19:7,8). This includes both the righteousness of Christ imputed to us and our own righteous acts after accepting Christ.

For certain acts to count, we must do them while we are filled with the Holy Spirit. Since one of God's attributes is agape love, when we are filled with his Holy Spirit, we are filled with agape love. I Cor. 13:1-8 (KJV) says, "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity (agape, God's love), I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity (agape love) never faileth." Agape
NEWS FLASH: Red Heifer Born in Israel!

...less than one month ago, a red heifer was born in Israel. After the heifer's owner contacted the Temple Institute, on Friday, April 5th, 2002, Rabbi Menachem Makover and Rabbi Chaim Richman traveled to the farm where the heifer is located, to inspect and validate her status.

The rabbis found her to be kosher and were satisfied that this heifer could indeed be a candidate to be used in the process of purification described in the book of Numbers, chapter 19. This is a prerequisite for the rebuilding of the Holy Temple....

Since Herod's Temple was destroyed by the Roman emperor Titus in AD 70, no flawless red heifer has been born within the biblical land of Israel....

The faithful will need to wait until the heifer is at least three before it can be used in a ritual sacrifice.

My note

Since the red heifer has to be 3 years old. Does this mean that the temple would be finished in 2005? I have wondered if the occasion for the False Prophet going to sit in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4) could be the dedication of the new temple.

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"SIGNS IN THE HEAVENS - NOW!" by Andrew Strom
This is an extract of an article written in 1998
Significantly, there has already been ONE BLOOD-RED MOON AND ONE 'SACK-CLOTH' MOON (caused by lunar eclipses) over Jerusalem in 1996 and 1997, falling precisely on major feast-days of the Jewish calendar. The first of them came on the evening of 3 April 1996, which was the beginning of the Feast of Passover. The second came on the evening of 26-27 September 1996, which was 'Erev Hag HaSuccoth' (the Eve of the Feast of Tabernacles). And there will also be two such eclipses in 1997, falling precisely on the feast-day of 'Purim' (23 March 1997 - a 90% eclipse) and also in the middle of the 'Days of Teshuva (Repentance)' on 16 September 1997. The next total lunar eclipses over Jerusalem took place on 21 January 2000.

The chances of such a string of eclipses occurring over Jerusalem precisely on these significant dates surely has to be far more than coincidence. It is also worth noting that if we take the Jewish month of Nisan as being the first month of the year, as the Jews were commanded in Exodus 12, then the first three of these eclipses all occurred within the space of just ONE BIBLICAL YEAR. (April 1996 to March 1997).

But what causes some eclipses to turn the moon blood-red? Well, the answer is as follows: A lunar eclipse occurs when the moon is full, and the earth passes between the moon and the sun, thus blocking the sun's light and casting a shadow on the moon for a time. However, often during a total lunar eclipse, the moon is not completely dark, but is faintly illuminated with a red light refracted by the earth's atmosphere which filters out the blue rays.

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Re: Rapture of children. URGENT
I urgently need proof in the Word that children are included in the Rapture. If it's in one of the P&C, please point it to me. Be blessed.

My reply

Mat 19:14,15 "Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not to come to me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence."

Mar 10:14 "when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said to them, Suffer the little children to come to me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God."

Luke 18:16 "Jesus called them to him, and said, Suffer little children to come to me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God."

Joel 2:15,16 "Blow the trumpet in Zion (it's the Feast of Trumpets and the Pre-Wrath Rapture), sanctify a fast (the upcoming Day of Atonement), call a solemn assembly (in Heaven, Heb. 12:23): Gather the people (from one end of Heaven to the other, Mt. 24:31), sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders (12 patriarchs and 12 apostles, Rev. 21:12-14), GATHER THE CHILDREN, AND THOSE THAT SUCK THE BREASTS (at the Pre-Wrath Rapture): let the bridegroom (Christ) go forth from his chamber, and the bride (Bride of Christ) out of her closet."

It is time for the Coronation of Christ and the Marriage of the Lamb in Heaven.

Mat 24:31 And he will send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather his elect (those that were caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture, including the 24 elders) from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other.

Mar 13:27 "then he will send his angels, and will assemble his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN" (those caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture).

Heb 12:22-25 "ye are come to mount Sion, and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the GENERAL ASSEMBLY and church of the first-born, who are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. See that ye refuse not him that speaketh (when Christ says, 'Come up hither,' Rev. 4:1). For if they escaped not who refused him that spoke on earth, much more shall not we escape (not be raptured), if we turn away from him (Christ) that speaketh from heaven." Agape

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Re: "Praise Him... ye waters that be above the heavens"

I certainly enjoyed examining the knowledge we are privy to thanks to Louis Frank (wonder if he's Jewish -- should be about 64 years old at present) and John Sigwarth and, of course, Yah Veh, who gifted them to discover it. "But I am the Lord thy God that establishes the heaven, and creates the earth, whose hands have framed the whole host of heaven: but I shewed them not to thee that thou shouldest go after them" Hos. 13:4 LXX. "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God," Rom. 11:33.

It is humbling to realize how little we know about the incomprehensibly vast universe fashioned by the Almighty before Whom the nations are as a drop of the bucket. As you have pointed out, even the Bible gives us insight into only about 7000 years of human history. That leaves a lot of history we don't know anything about and a lot of tomorrows likewise. Yes, we will have a lot to learn when we get to Heaven, but happily plenty of time to assimilate it! I can only imagine how enraptured/ravished you will be!!! And like you I am eager to know His mighty acts that I may praise Him according to His excellent greatness (Ps. 150:2). "Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods?" Ex. 15:11. "Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name?" Rev. 15:4. "For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counselor?" Rom. 11:34. "Who instructed him... and taught him knowledge, and showed to him the way of understanding?" Isa. 40:14.

I also long to know more about His Name which is great in might (Jer. 10:6), this King of nations (Jer. 10:7). "For behold, he who formed the mountains and created the wind, who tells his meditation to humanity, who works the dawn darkness, who treads on the bamahs of the earth, Yah Veh Elohim Sabaoth is his name," Amos 4:13 Exegeses.

Thanks again for thinking of me and sharing this info on the water comets which nourish our atmosphere daily courtesy of the LORD of hosts. I had previously thought these came from the Oort cloud "above the heavens" but know recognize this regular bombardment of our atmosphere comes "from an inner belt of cometary material beginning just beyond the orbit of Neptune" which may still qualify as above the heavens particularly when Neptune is beyond Pluto. Truly His compassions are new every morning and every evening too. As the children of Israel received manna each day (6 days a week), so the Earth receives this replenishing hydration required to sustain life. Now if only we could RECEIVE His compassions each day as the Earth's atmosphere does water from on high... I know He wants to refresh us deeply from Himself... "He cleaved the rocks in the wilderness, and gave them drink as out of the great depths," Ps. 78:15.

We don't begin to know how finely regulated Earth is to support the children of men to whom it is given (Ps. 115:16). Yah Veh has taken care of every detail to provide a safe home for man to dwell on this rock hurtling thru space. Jesus told us, after all, that sparrows cannot fall without our Father and that not one sparrow is forgotten before God... of how much more value are we!

Running for the prize of the ano klesis

Also, re contributions of Jewish people to modern civilization, perhaps you saw this recently...

19.6% of World's Population
1.2 billion Muslims

Nobel Prize Winners:

1957 Albert Camus
1988 - Najib Mahfooz 1988

1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 - Yaser Arafat

1990 Elias James Corey
1999 - Ahmed Zewail

1960 Peter Brian Medawar
1998 Ferid Mourad

The Contribution of the Jewish People:
14.1 Million Jews


1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer

World Peace
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1972 - William Howard Stein
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1989 - Sidney Altman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 Rober Fogel

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - David Baltimore
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis

1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1995 - Martin Perl
Final note: I just looked at Job 33:14-16 LXX, "For when the Lord speaks once, or a second time, sending a dream, or in the meditation of the night; (as when a dreadful alarm happens to fall upon men, in slumberings on the bed:) then opens he the understanding of men: he scares them with such fearful visions." Marilyn, you probably didn't initially realize your experience years ago was going to have such a tremendous ripple effect, bringing not only untold blessing to you, but also to many in its wake as you have freely given of what you have received. Thanks for your faithfulness to your and our Beloved. Agape!

My reply

Thanks. What well chosen words you write with. I'm lucky to have stumbled across Frank's information about the water comets early. I can't remember for sure how I came across it, but at one time, I had a big stack of Science magazines. It might have been in one of those. We probably know very little about what the Lord does for us every hour of every day. By his kindness, he even holds everything together.

I hadn't seen this list you sent. The Jews have certainly been favored with good minds. Many must be blinded to have not figured out by now that Yeshua is their haMashiach. It sure isn't the absence of brain power. The trouble is, many seem to have outsmarted themselves on this subject.

You are right, I didn't know what was coming, couldn't have even guessed. Now, I can see how the Lord was preparing me for this. Everything else along the way was part of my learning experience. I wasn't meant to be a speaker. I get hoarse just reading e-mail to Ed. My hearing is not good. I was meant to be a writer. My dad taught me to outline as a study tool. I ended up writing to myself on different subjects. I can see things more clearly when I read it back to myself than just leaving thoughts floating around in my mind. It's like OK, this much I can see, now what else might it suggest. I'm grateful that Ed got me my first electric typewriter and later on my early Macs. I am so thankful that someone got me this computer, a PC, the best of the lot. I appreciate the ease of editing what I write as I can see things more clearly. I'm still learning, and have enjoyed the trip. I feel like I have studied all my life. I really don't want to stop learning new things. I have a hunger to understand. Blessings on you and yours. Maranatha. Agape

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