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Posted 5-21-02

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Re: halo around sun
Harmless halo around the sun causes a buzz in South Florida BY MARTIN MERZER,

Hey, look up. What the heck is that?

A wide, shadowy halo materialized around the sun this afternoon, transforming many South Floridians into instant astronomers, arousing a flood of calls to weather forecasters and inspiring more than a few dark thoughts....

Not such a good idea.

Forecasters said the phenomenon, which even they rushed out to view, was caused by an icy layer of clouds 30,000 feet above all those spectators.

''It really started going right after noon,'' said Rusty Pfost, the meteorologist in charge of the National Weather Service's South Florida office. ``It is very impressive. It's just a gorgeous, gorgeous halo.''

Any halo around the sun often means rain is on the way, he said, and . . . it is....

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I would have loved seeing that halo around the Sun.

Interesting article

Annular Solar Eclipse of 2002 June 10, Fred Espenak, NASA's GSFC
An eclipse of the Sun can only take place at New Moon, and only if the Moon passes between the Sun and Earth. My note: The New Moon actually is the Dark Moon. The Jewish month would normally start when they saw the Crescent Moon.

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From Finland:
Pentecost is this weekend. I just returned from a trip and read most recent P/C´s.

Since the major peace treaties in Israel have been 'postponed' till summer, I have suspected for some time that this is not the Big Day.

I think there has not been a World class warning sign - I don´t think a new EU flag will classify. People in say India and China have not heard about it ( nor have I ). The 7 day warning has to be something real astonishing.

btw -who might be the "he" in the following verse? "When he lifteth up an ensign (nec, flag, sign, i.e., the new EU 'barcode' flag?) on the mountains (kingdoms); and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye. (Christ's trumpet like voice will say 'Come up hither,' Rev. 4:1)" Is this (1.and 2. "he" referring to one or two persons/entities?

Furthermore I have wondered whether Rapture could be just now as the Gospel is spreading big time in new areas (Russia, China, many eastern countries, Israel and Islamic counties + many more places) Satellites and new technologies have allowed this marching of the Truth. Should Rapture hit right now, would this work be stopped?

For years now, one that follows the news and has the the information in your site - could easily understand that the end time events are coming soon. But now patience is required - the things spoken of in the Bible will take place as scheduled...- probably quite soon... Agape

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I just got off the "Your Sky" web site, checked for new e-mail, and yours came in. That's appropriate, for I wanted to ask you if you would help me out with this. At "Your Sky," it looks like there will be a solar eclipse on Sept. 11, 2007. Their symbols are large, so I could be fooled. I hope your program can tell you if there is a solar eclipse that day, or any day close to that, plus what time it would start and end as viewed from Jerusalem, 31 degrees 46' 48" N and 35 degrees 13' 12" E.

I tried to search for a list of eclipses, but the only one I found doesn't go that far into the future. In a solar eclipse, it is at the New Moon, the Dark Moon. Israel's Tishri 1 would not start until they could see the Crescent Moon. The flaming meteorites would reflect on the Dark Moon, as would the wildfires set on Earth. I would think this could cause the Blood Moon, even when it is not a lunar eclipse. Of course, the Lord can do whatever he wants to. I'm just trying to see if there is an eclipse associated with this phenomenon.

Rev. 6:12-17 says, "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and THE SUN BECAME BLACK AS SACKCLOTH OF HAIR, AND THE MOON BECAME AS BLOOD; And the stars (flaming meteorites) of heaven (i.e., the heavens) fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME (i.e., 6 PM on the last day of this age); and who shall be able to stand?"

I have long thought that this is talking about the eve of the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 12, 2007 up to 6 PM, the beginning of Tishri 1, 5768. Yet, if there is a solar eclipse on Sept. 11, this might cover two days, Sept. 11 and 12.

Isa. 34 fits this time, but first comes the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Isa. 33:15-17 says, "He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil; He shall dwell on high (in Heaven): his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure. Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty: they shall behold the land that is very far off" (Heaven, probably Saturn).

Then Isa. 34:1f tells us about the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. It says, "Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: LET THE EARTH HEAR, AND ALL THAT IS THEREIN; the world, and all things that come forth of it. For THE INDIGNATION OF THE LORD IS UPON ALL NATIONS, AND HIS FURY UPON ALL THEIR ARMIES: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter....And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved (maqaq, vanish), and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse (the Beast and False Prophet at Babylon, etc), to judgment....For IT IS THE DAY OF THE LORD'S VENGEANCE, AND THE YEAR OF RECOMPENCES FOR THE CONTROVERSY OF ZION. And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever."

> > who might be the "he" in the following verse? "When he lifteth up an ensign (nec, flag, sign, i.e., the new EU 'barcode' flag?) on the mountains (kingdoms); and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye.

It is Christ both times. Zech. 9:14-16 says, "the LORD shall be seen over them (the Sign of the Son of Man), and his arrow (the asteroid, the curse) shall go forth as the lightning: and THE LORD GOD SHALL BLOW THE TRUMPET, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south. The LORD of hosts shall defend them; and they shall devour, and subdue with sling stones; and they shall drink, and make a noise as through wine; and they shall be filled like bowls, and as the corners of the altar. And the LORD their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign (nacac, to gleam from afar, be conspicuous as a signal, raise up a flag) upon his land."

> > Satellites and new technologies have allowed this marching of the Truth. Should Rapture hit right now, would this work be stopped?

No. a great multitude which no man can number will be saved during the Tribulation, and this is on top of the 144,000 Israelites (Rev. 7). Agape

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I checked Sept.11 2007, Jerusalem view. It looks like it could be called eclipse. From about 10 am to sunset, about 19 pm the Moon seems to be partially covering the sun - at least it is very close all day. Agape

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Thanks bunches. Someone just sent me this URL for dates of solar eclipses. It shows one for Sept. 11, 2007, but it is only seen in southern Africa.

I've been looking up other scriptures that are associated with the time or that mention the sun darkening. I also compared some of them in different Bible versions. I always hope that I can see things more clearly by comparing them.

Isa. 13:9,10 (Rotherham) says, "Lo! the day of Yahweh, coming in, Fierce and overflowing, and burning with anger,—To devote the earth to desolation, And her sinners, will he destroy out of it. For the stars of the heavens and their constellations, shall not flash forth their light,—OBSCURED shall be the sun in his going forth, And the moon, shall not shed her light.

Isa. 13:10 (LXX) says, "For the stars of heaven, and Orion, and all the host of heaven, shall not give their light; and IT SHALL BE DARK AT SUNRISE, and the moon shall not give her light."

Isa. 13:10 (Stone) says, "For the stars of the heavens and their constellations will not radiate their light; THE SUN WILL BE DARK WHEN IT RISES, and the moon will not shine forth its light."

Isa. 13:10 (NAB) says, "The stars and constellations of the heavens send forth no light; THE SUN IS DARK WHEN IT RISES, and the light of the moon does not shine."

Isa. 13:10 (YLT) says, "the stars of the heavens, and their constellations, Cause not their light to shine, DARKENED HATH BEEN THE SUN IN ITS GOING OUT, And the moon causeth not its light to come forth."

Isa. 13:4-13 (KJV) ties this darkness to the Day of God's Wrath, the "DAY OF GOD" (II Peter 3:11) that begins the millennial Day of the Lord. It says, "The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the KINGDOMS OF NATIONS (probably the UN army) gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle. They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons (Sword of the Lord, the asteroid (Zech. 5:1-4; Rev. 8:8,10), of his indignation, to destroy the whole land. Howl ye; for THE DAY OF THE LORD IS AT HAND; IT SHALL COME AS A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY.... Behold, THE DAY OF THE LORD COMETH, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For THE STARS OF HEAVEN AND THE CONSTELLATIONS (kciyl, any notable constellation; specifically Orion) THEREOF SHALL NOT GIVE THEIR LIGHT: THE SUN SHALL BE DARKENED IN HIS GOING FORTH (yatsa, proceeding or rising), AND THE MOON SHALL NOT CAUSE HER LIGHT TO SHINE. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity...Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place (because of the asteroid impacts, Rev. 8:8,10), in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in THE DAY OF HIS FIERCE ANGER."

2Pe 3:10-12 says, "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of THE DAY OF GOD, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?"

Rev 9:2 tells us why there is darkness on the Day of God. It says, "he opened the bottomless pit (molten center of the Earth); and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and THE SUN AND THE AIR WERE DARKENED BY REASON OF THE SMOKE OF THE PIT."

Joe 3:13-16 says, "Put ye in the SICKLE (Rev. 14:14-19), for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great. Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is NEAR in the valley of decision. The sun and the moon shall be DARKENED, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake."

Rev 14:14-19 adds some details of the breaking of the 6th seal and the following Day of God's Wrath. It says, "And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man (Christ), having on his head a golden crown (Coronation Day in Heaven is the Day of God's Wrath on Earth), and in his hand a sharp sickle.
"And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy SICKLE, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his SICKLE on the earth; and the earth was reaped (the Pre-Wrath Rapture).
"And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp SICKLE. And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp SICKLE, saying, Thrust in thy sharp SICKLE, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe (Tishri 1 is the vintage). And the angel thrust in his SICKLE into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of THE WRATH OF GOD." Agape

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Re: solar eclipse tool
This link:
provides a tool to see where solar eclipses will fall on earth. Please look at the eclipse for May 31, 2003. It appears to begin in southern Israel..... Note the copyright rules on republishing the map at the bottom of the page. Thanks

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31 May 2003 (29 Iyar, 5763)
3 Oct. 2005 (29 Elul, 5765, Eve of the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5766)
29 Mar. 2006 (Adar 21, 5766)
1 Aug. 2008 (29 Tamuz, 5768) Agape

Interesting article

Mercury meteorite puzzle

Is this from Mercury, the planet closest to the Sun? By Dr David Whitehouse

5-17-02 The first meteorite that may have come from Mercury has been identified. NWA 011 was found in the Moroccan Sahara in December 1999 and was immediately regarded as something unusual.

It clearly had a molten past and was formed from lighter materials than most meteorites. This implied it had once been part of a much larger body.

...researchers speculate that it is the first known meteorite from our Solar System's innermost planet, Mercury.

Rocks blasted off Mercury by a large impactor would have a difficult journey to reach the Earth, say the researchers - but not impossible. Nevertheless, the calculations show such rocks would be an extremely rare find on Earth.

NWA 011 has an oxygen isotope ratio that indicates it came from a body larger than a big asteroid.

Japanese researchers say the basalt in NWA 011 suggests the body from which it did originate had a core of molten iron with an outer covering of silicon and aluminium that formed a basaltic crust.

And that means a planet-sized body. Could it really be Mercury?

My note

That fits Satan's planet Rahab.

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Re: Big horn, little horn
God Bless you! Two things have come to mind... It is written that in the last days a ensign will be raised. Is that what is happening with the flag of USA...and the other point is about the Big devil, and the little devil, in the news alot. Could this be the Big horn and the little horn mentioned in the Word???

Blessings, and may we share the Good News with all that are open in there suffering!! I see a spirit of revival coming on America...may it be so according to HIS will!!!!

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Sorry to be so long in answering. I hadn't connected the flag of the USA with Isa. 18, but since 9-11-01, we do see our flag everywhere. I have 3 stuck on my car--left, right and rear windows. Our son flies his flag from our house at intervals too. Ours is packed away in the garage someplace. Who knows where? At least Dave found his.

Isa. 18:3 says, "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign (nec, flag, sign) on the mountains (kingdoms, plural); and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye." Maybe the new "barcode" EU flag is what it is talking about. It's stripes are the colors of the flags of member nations. The plans are to admit more nations too. The EU is growing.

I don't know about the horns. Are they referring to USA and Israel? I think the little horn in Daniel is the False Prophet.

We have seen more of the end-time events than I thought we would. Everything seems to be headed pell-mell for the Tribulation. How anyone could not think the Lord's coming is nigh now is beyond my understanding. There are signs of the times all over the place. Blessings and agape

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Check out The Open Scroll - The Bride Theft, By Bob Schlenker

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Bob Schlenker did a good job until he said, "Salvation concerns spirit, soul and body. There is something of each that may be saved or lost. The salvation of one part doesn't necessitate the salvation of the others in whole or part." That, I can't go along with.

Here is the part I liked:
"After long and prayerful consideration, the following is the passage that finally convinced me that many of this present church will remain behind after others will have been taken. "After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice: "Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb." 11 All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying: "Amen! Praise and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!" 13 Then one of the elders asked me, "These in white robes--who are they, and where did they come from?" 14 I answered, "Sir, you know." And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore, "they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them. 16 Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat upon them, nor any scorching heat. 17 For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; he will lead them to springs of living water. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes." Revelation 7:9-17

"The very matter of identifying who these people are is brought specifically to our attention by one of the elders around the throne in verses 13-14, suggesting that insight into the passage depends upon being able to identify them properly. Sure enough, that's what did it for me! Only after identifying them as those left behind after the Bride was stolen away did I understand. For these people to come out of the great tribulation they must first have been in it. For them to have washed their robes, they must have first received a robe and then soiled it. The matter of when they received the robe is critical. It must be noted that this great multitude are not exclusively Israel but from every nation, tribe, people and language. This feature directs us to relate them to this present church age where the Gentile share in the blessings afforded the Jew. When did they get a robe? During this present age when robes are given to those of every nation, tribe, people and language, a season with a definite moment of closure. You may well ask the question the holy spirit leads us to ask, "Why were they in the great tribulation if they had robes?" And the answer the holy spirit gives is that the robes they had previously received were not white but soiled when the Bridegroom came for his Bride. Being left behind, they immediately enter into the time of great tribulation. They now have a fresh opportunity to wash their robes and make them white. Those who do are pictured here in Revelation 7. The features mentioned in verses 16-17 reflect the nature of what will have befallen these "second-round" saints during the great tribulation, as noted in other passages of scripture....

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Is it prophetic route for Jews during 'end times'?
The King's Highway of Arabia, by Anthony C. LoBaido, 5-19-02

While many Bible enthusiasts see Mt. Seir (the Hebrew) or Petra (Greek for "rock") as a potential hiding place for the nation of Israel during the so-called "end times," many are left to ponder a difficult question: Just how is this remnant supposed to make their way through the rugged, Grand Canyon-like terrain that comprises much of central Jordan?

That question may find its answer in the King's Highway, also known as the Arabah Road – the oldest, continuing commercial trade corridor on the globe.

Key passages about the King's Highway and its prophetic significance are found in Deuteronomy 2, Numbers 20:17 and 21:22, Isaiah 19:23-25 (speaking of a future free-trade zone near the Gulf of Aqaba) and Isaiah 35 and 62. These passages detail the journey of Moses and Aaron in their trek out of Egypt, headed for the Holy Land. Aaron was buried at Mt. Hor, near Petra. En route to the Promised Land, the Israelites battled the Horites, who lived in caves in the region.

One of the main passages is found in Isaiah 11:11-16...

The road moves through Jordan from the Gulf of Aqaba in the south and meanders north and then east up into Iraq and Syria....

Under the direction of Queen Noor, the area around Petra is getting a facelift with help from the World Bank. New hotels, water works, sewage and even military supplies are being added. Jordan's King Abdullah is expected to continue the project until it is fully completed. Over 1 million tourists every year journey to Petra.

...King Aretas IV was the most prominent Arab architect....

Adds Du Croix, "The King's Highway – and, mind you, there are many definitions, which is one of the beauties of this complex mystery – extends all the way down into Arabia and South Yemen."...

South Yemen is known for the ancient treasure of frankincense, one of the gifts brought to the Christ child by the wise men. To the magi, frankincense embodied the concept of divinity, du Croix asserted.

"Frankincense, a white, milky substance found in Boswellia Sara trees, requires lots of sun, limestone soil and dew produced by seasonal monsoons," explained du Croix. "Frankincense forms a resin that was once highly coveted."...

"The road has been improved. Petra has grown into a city capable of shielding a remnant during the biblical tribulation – food, water, supplies, caves and high walls that absorb radiation. All the signs point towards the King's Highway fulfilling its purpose and sense of cosmic destiny," said Du Croix.

My reply

I am guessing, but think it will be used when the Messianic Jews flee Judea (Mt. 24:15,16).

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Re: FYI - Stars Early Christians hid the origins of the Bethlehem star by Marcus Chown 12-21-01 - A US astronomer claims he has found the first mention of the star of Bethlehem outside the Bible. The reference is in a 4th-century manuscript written by a Roman astrologer and Christian convert called Firmicus Maternus. Photo: Bridgeman Art Library Michael Molnar, formerly of Rutgers University in New Jersey, is the originator of the idea that the star of Bethlehem was not a spectacular astronomical event such as a supernova or a comet but an obscure astrological one. The event would nevertheless have been of great significance to ancient Roman astrologers. After studying the symbolism on Roman coins, he concluded that the "star" was in fact a double eclipse of Jupiter in a rare astrological conjunction that occurred in Aries on 20 March, 6 BC, and again on 17 April, 6 BC (New Scientist magazine, 23 December 1995). Molnar believed that Roman astrologers would have interpreted such an event as signifying the birth of a divine king in Judea. But he lacked proof. Now he says he has found it, in the Mathesis, a book written by Maternus in AD 334. Maternus described an astrological event involving an eclipse of Jupiter by the Moon in Aries, and said that it signified the birth of a divine king. No names "Maternus did not mention Jesus's name," says Molnar. "But Roman astrology was a popular craze at the time and everyone reading the book would have known the reference was to Jesus and that the astrological event was the star of Bethlehem." So why did Maternus not mention Jesus by name? According to Molnar, early Christians hated pagan beliefs and did not want to justify the Biblical story with astrological mumbo-jumbo. The idea that the stars govern our fate flew in the face of belief in a Christian God as the controlling force in the Universe. "Being a pagan who had converted to Christianity during his lifetime, Firmicus was torn," says Molnar. "Hence his use of astrology to support the Christian story, but in a veiled way." According to Molnar, it was essential to early Christians that the true nature of the star be hidden, otherwise theologians would be mired in debate about celestial influences that were not part of Christianity. So they buried the knowledge of the star's astrological roots and in time it was forgotten. "I take Molnar's work quite seriously," says Owen Gingerich, a historian of astronomy at Harvard University. "Anything he comes up with along these lines has to be considered as being very likely correct."

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Thanks. This is very interesting. However, it would have taken an astronomer watching the sky every night to realize that there was an eclipse of Jupiter by the Moon. We are used to the Moon blotting out our view of the stars and planets regularly. The Moon and planets all travel the same band, the ecliptic, across our sky. Since the Moon is closer to us, it or even its light can hide planets from our view. Of course, the stage of the Moon would determine how much sky it would obliterate. Agape

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