Pro and Con 907

Posted 5-26-02

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Since another Pentecost season is now behind us, it is my opinion that a major premise, with respect to possibly knowing when Christ will return, needs to be reconsidered.

Namely, that the fig tree parable points to the 1967 war. Or, that a generation is 40 years, looking to the time between Christ's ascension and the destruction of the temple as a reference point. Basically, if the tribulation time is approximately 7 years, 2007 is out, even when taking into account a shortened tribulation period for the sake of the elect. Also, if the leap year is necessary, the day to anticipate Christ's return is pushed forward significantly.

Frankly, to interpret the fig tree parable as pointing to the 1967 war may have been to read too much into it. It is my opinion that the parable still may point to Pentecost, however.

I agree with the person who suggested that, if there is to be a 7 day warning, it was unlikely to be the new EU flag. I think it would have to be on a scale that is world wide and the information made readily available to others who do not have access to the internet news sources, for example. It is my speculative opinion that a collapse of the temple mount wall and damage/collapse of the Al Aqsa mosque would be such a warning, that is, if a seven day warning is to take place at all (again, an interpretative assumption).

I want to encourage those who access your sight that though it is very legitimate for the bride to long for the groom's visible return, where walking by faith is no longer necessary, the fact of the matter is, Jesus is already inside us, and you cannot get closer to Him than that. The intimacy we long for has already been given. The veil has been torn, and we bask in His presence within the Holy of Holies. Take care.

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> > Frankly, to interpret the fig tree parable as pointing to the 1967 war may have been to read too much into it. It is my opinion that the parable still may point to Pentecost, however.

I no longer think that Pentecost is the right day for the Rapture. Until this last one passed, I couldn't be sure. The thing that changed my mind for sure is finding the exact day of the firstripe grapes.

Mt. 24:32-34 says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting, i.e., Israel grafted into her old rootstock in 1948) is yet tender (apalos, tender and full of sap, i.e., young new growth), and putteth forth leaves (grows, i.e., covers more territory, as she did in 1967), ye know that summer is nigh (the war began June 5; summer began June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it ('the kingdom of God,' Luke 21:31) is near, even at the doors (symbol of the Rapture, Rev. 3:8; 4:1). Verily (AMEN, SO BE IT, i.e., it is a sure thing) I say unto you, This generation (when Israel back in the land and growing) shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY."

Luke 21:29-33 says, "he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree (Israel), and all the trees (other nations, i.e., Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt); When they (all those nations) now shoot forth (proballo, PUSH TO THE FRONT, SHOOT FORTH, i.e., attack, in the Six-Day War), ye see and know of your own selves that SUMMER is now nigh at hand (the War started June 5, summer began June 21). So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS NIGH AT HAND. Verily (AMEN, SO BE IT) I say unto you, This generation (born in 1967) shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away."

Mark 13:28-31 says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch (modern Israel) is yet tender (19 years old), and putteth forth leaves (grows), ye know that summer is near: So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things (19 year-old Israel back in the land and growing) come to pass, know that it (the kingdom of God) is nigh, even at the doors (symbol of 2 Raptures). Verily (Amen, so be it) I say unto you, that this generation (born in 1967 when Israel was 19) shall not pass, till all these things be done. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away."

When this is fulfilled, "summer is near: So ye in like manner..." I take this to mean that the Rapture will be near when summer is near. THE RAPTURE CAN STILL TAKE PLACE THIS SUMMER.

To me, I don't see how this parable could have been fulfilled AFTER 1967. Israel would not have been at the tender age of 19 one year later. When they came out of Egypt, those under 20 were not counted (Ex. 30:14). They were the generation that went into the promised land after 40 years. 1948 + 19 + 40 = 2007.

Sept. 13, 2007 is Tishri 1, 5768, and 5768 is a Jewish Leap Year with an extra month between Tishri 1 (1st day of the Civil Year) and Nisan 1 (1st day of the Sacred and Regnal Year) the 2nd Advent on April 6, 2008, the anniversary of the Crucifixion on our calendar (Eze. 29:17,21; Hos. 6:3). This period between Tishri 1, 5768, and Nisan 1, 5768, is 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13).

> > Or, that a generation is 40 years, looking to the time between Christ's ascension and the destruction of the temple as a reference point.

Before the crucifixion, in Mt. 23:36-38, Jesus told the Pharisees, "Verily (Amen, so be it) I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate." AD 30 to AD 70 is 40 years. Ezekiel bore the iniquity of Judah 40 days, a day for a year (Eze. 4:6). It fits.

THE RAPTURE IS "AS THE DAYS OF NOE" (Mt. 24:37). The number 40 is prominent in Noah's day. IT RAINED 40 DAYS AND 40 NIGHTS, THEN NOAH WAS FLOATED UPWARD. The Ark represented Christ, who saves us. The Ark was floated upward taking Noah with it as Christ will go up with us at the Rapture. It will probably be at the end of a 40-day period.


Song of Sol. 2:10-14 shows that at the time of the Rapture of the Bride of Christ, there are tender grapes (Song 2:13 and 15). The spies were sent into the promised land at the time of the FIRSTRIPE GRAPES. Num 13:20 says, "And what the land is, whether it be fat or lean, whether there be wood therein, or not. And be ye of good courage, and bring of the fruit of the land. Now the time was the time of the firstripe grapes."


Let's see when the time of the firstripe grapes really was. Nu. 10:11,12 says, "it came to pass on the twentieth day of the second month (IYAR 20), in the second year, that the cloud was taken up from off the tabernacle of the testimony. And the children of Israel took their journeys out of the wilderness of Sinai; and the cloud rested in the wilderness of Paran."

Nu. 10:33 says, "they departed from the mount of the LORD three days' journey." Oops! I missed this 3 days when I figured this yesterday--too big of a hurry. I'd better just figure all this again, reading all the verses between Iyar 20 in Nu. 10:11 and the spies bringing the bunch of grapes back to Moses in Nu. 13:21. I also forgot that the Jews count the 1st day as day 1. I'll chart it to be sure I get it right.

Iyar 20 - 1st travel day - Nu. 10:11 (Iyar 20), 33 (3 days' journey)
Iyar 21 - 2nd travel day
Iyar 22 - 3rd travel day
Sivan 22 - they ate quail 1 whole month (Nu. 11:20,21)
Sivan 23 - 1st of 7 - Miriam shut out of camp 7 days (Nu. 12:14,15)
Sivan 24 - 2nd of 7
Sivan 25 - 3rd of 7
Sivan 26 - 4th of 7
Sivan 27 - 5th of 7
Sivan 28 - 6th of 7
Sivan 29 - 7th of 7
SIVAN 30 - 1st of 40 - spies sent in - TIME OF FIRSTRIPE GRAPES (Nu. 13:20)
Tamuz 1 - 2nd of 40
Tamuz 2 - 3rd of 40
Tamuz 3 - 4th of 40
Tamuz 4 - 5th of 40
Tamuz 5 - 6th of 40
Tamuz 6 - 7th of 40
Tamuz 7 - 8th of 40
Tamuz 8 - 9th of 40
Tamuz 9 - 10th of 40
Tamuz 10 - 11th of 40
Tamuz 11 - 12th of 40
Tamuz 12 - 13th of 40
Tamuz 13 - 14th of 40
Tamuz 14 - 15th of 40
Tamuz 15 - 16th of 40
Tamuz 16 - 17th of 40
Tamuz 17 - 18th of 40
Tamuz 18 - 19th of 40
Tamuz 19 - 20th of 40
Tamuz 20 - 21st of 40
Tamuz 21 - 22nd of 40
Tamuz 22 - 23rd of 40
Tamuz 23 - 24th of 40
Tamuz 24 - 25th of 40
Tamuz 25 - 26th of 40
Tamuz 26 - 27th of 40
Tamuz 27 - 28th of 40
Tamuz 28 - 29th of 40
Tamuz 29 - 30th of 40
Av 1 - 31st of 40 - 5th month (Nisan, Iyar, Sivan, Tamuz, Av)
Av 2 - 32nd of 40
Av 3 - 33rd of 40
Av 4 - 34th of 40
Av 5 - 35th of 40
Av 6 - 36th of 40
Av 7 - 37th of 40
Av 8 - 38th of 40
Av 9 - 39th of 40 - Tisha be-AV - Jewish fast
AV 10 - 40th day of 40 (Friday, July 19, 2002, starts at midnight) - Av 10 starts at 6 PM on Av 9 and continues until 6 PM on Av 10

I missed this by one day yesterday. Av 10 ties in better than the Av 9 fast of the Jews. It fits Scripture. Jer 52:12,13 says, "in the FIFTH MONTH (chodesh, new moon), IN THE TENTH DAY OF THE MONTH (AV 10), which was the nineteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, which served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem, And BURNED THE HOUSE OF THE LORD."

Both temples went up in smoke on this date. We, the temple of the Holy Spirit, will go up in clouds. The correlation is good.

Of the temple burning in 70 AD, Josephus said, "So Titus retired into the tower of Antonia, and resolved to storm the temple the next day, to encamp round about the holy house; but, as for that house, God had for certain long ago doomed it to the fire; and now that fatal day was come, according to the revolution of ages: IT WAS THE TENTH DAY OF THE MONTH LOUS, [AB,] (i.e., Av 10) UPON WHICH IT WAS FORMERLY BURNT BY THE KING OF BABYLON...THE SAME MONTH AND DAY WERE NOW OBSERVED, AS I SAID BEFORE, WHEREIN THE HOLY HOUSE WAS BURNT FORMERLY BY THE BABYLONIANS" (Wars. VI. IV. 5, 8).

I checked all Bible versions in e-Sword, including the LXX, plus Rotherham and the Stone Edition of the Tanach. All are in agreement on this date.

> > if there is to be a 7 day warning, it was unlikely to be the new EU flag. I think it would have to be on a scale that is world wide and the information made readily available to others who do not have access to the internet news sources

The barcode EU flag hasn't yet been approved by all the EU nations. When it is, the news will go worldwide. The newspapers will pick it up as they did the press release about the Euro. The picture of the new flag will appear on EU stationery, their web site, etc. They want it to be easily recognized, so will send a press release to the news services.

> > Basically, if the tribulation time is approximately 7 years, 2007 is out, even when taking into account a shortened tribulation period for the sake of the elect.

Maybe not. Have you found a scripture that tells how much the Tribulation is to be shortened? I thought it would last the 2300 days of Dan. 8:13,14 until Pentecost 2001 passed. The Lord is teaching us by the process of elimination, and I think it is working. The 2300-day shortened Tribulation was wrong. It was a type, rather than the reality. Pentecost was wrong. It was not the time of the firstripe grapes.

The 1st half of the 70th week of Daniel is not shortened. The shortening follows the desecration of the temple (Mt. 24:15,21,22). The 1st half is 1260 days (Rev. 11:3; 13:5).

The 4th seal is broken at the end of the 1260 days. The Satan-possessed False Prophet comes to full power then.

The 1st seal is broken as the first 1260 days begin. The 2nd seal would be broken 420 days later. The 3rd seal would be broken 420 days later. The 4th seal would be broken 420 days after that. Therefore, the first 3 seals followed by their effects would each cover 420 days (420 x 3 = 1260).

The shortened Great Tribulation. Since the Lord works logically, I assume that seals 4 and 5 and their effects each cover 420 days. The 6th seal would be broken on the 840th day. The 7th seal would be broken on the 841st day (Rev. 6:12f). The shortened Great Tribulation would be 841 days. It would have been shortened by 419 days (1260 - 841 = 419).

1260 + 841 = 2101, which would be the length of the whole Tribulation.

If the Rapture takes place on July 19, 2002, it will have been summer since June 21. Spring or summer fits the parable of the fig tree. Now that I know that the time of firstripe grapes is Sivan 30, it also fits Song of Sol. 2:10 -14. It also fits Isa. 18. Verse 4's "in the heat of harvest" would be the Pre-Wrath Rapture. The word harvest is the Hebrew qatsiyr, the harvest, as reaped."

The twigs without fruit that are cut off represent the foolish Laodicean virgins. They will be cut off and left behind, as in Luke 12:46 and Mt. 24:51. They will be among the Tribulation saints caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

Isa 18:5,6 says, "afore the harvest (i.e., before the 1st Rapture), when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower (firststripe grapes, Sivan 30), he shall both CUT OFF THE SPRIGS WITH PRUNING HOOKS, and take away and cut down the branches. THEY SHALL BE LEFT together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts (the Beast and False Prophet, Rev. 13) of the earth: and the fowls shall SUMMER UPON THEM, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them. IN THAT TIME (winter) shall the present be brought unto the LORD of hosts of a people scattered and peeled (the nations of the Earth will bring the remnant of Israel back to their promised land), and from a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden under foot, whose land the rivers have spoiled, to the place of the name of the LORD of hosts, the mount Zion" (the earthly one). These are the Jewish saints that will live on Earth during the Millennium.

Isa. 57:1-3 (LXX) says, "See how the just man has perished (abad, escaped), and no one lays it to heart: and RIGHTEOUS MEN ARE TAKEN AWAY (ACAPH, EVACUATED), and no one considers: for THE RIGHTEOUS HAS BEEN REMOVED OUT OF THE WAY OF INJUSTICE" (i.e., the Tribulation).

Song of Sol. 2:10-13 (Stone) says, "By Beloved (CHRIST) CALLED OUT AND SAID TO ME, "ARISE, MY LOVE (THE BRIDE OF CHRIST), MY FAIR ONE, AND GO FORTH. For the winter of bondage has passed, the deluge (RAIN) of suffering is over and gone. THE RIGHTEOUS blossoms are seen in the land, THE TIME OF YOUR SONG (THE NEW SONG OF REV. 5:9, SUNG AFTER THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE) HAS ARRIVED, and the voice of your guide (turtledove, i.e., Christ) is heard in the land. The fig tree (Israel) has formed ITS FIRST SMALL FIGS (fruit, that is what the Lord has been waiting on, the 4th year of the parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9 is over), READY FOR ASCENT (THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE)TO THE TEMPLE (IN HEAVEN); the vines are in blossom, their fragrance declaring they are ready for libation. ARISE, MY BELOVED, MY FAIR ONE, AND GO FORTH!"

Song of Sol. 2:10-15 (LXX) says, "My kinsman (redeemer, i.e., Christ)answers, and says to me, RISE UP, COME (i.e., 'COME UP HITHER,' Rev. 4:1), my companion (the Bride of Christ), my fair one, my dove. For, behold, the winter is past, the rain is gone, it has departed (i.e., Nisan, time of the latter rain is gone). The flowers are seen in the land; THE TIME OF PRUNING HAS ARRIVED (i.e., THE CUTTING OFF OF THE FOOLISH LAODICEAN VIRGINS); the voice of the turtle-dove (Christ) has been heard in our land. The fig-tree (Israel) has put forth its young figs (fruit, i.e., the Messianic Jews), the vines put forth the tender grape (one bunch of the Bride group, i.e., the 1st of 2 Raptures), they yield a smell: ARISE, COME, my companion, my fair one, my dove; yea, COME. Thou art my dove, in the shelter of the rock (in Christ), near the wall: shew me thy face, and cause me to hear thy voice; for thy voice is sweet, and thy countenance is beautiful. Take us the little foxes that spoil the vines: for our vines put forth tender grapes."

Just before the Rapture, Rev. 22:11,12 says, "the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."

James 5:9 says, "Grudge not one against another, brethren (believers), lest ye be condemned: behold, THE JUDGE (CHRIST) STANDETH BEFORE THE DOOR." In Rev. 3:8, Jesus said, "I have set before thee (the Philadelphians) an OPEN DOOR."

Work on the peace treaty has been delayed until summer, so let's see where we end up if we add 2101 days to July 19, 2002. I went to

The 2101 days from July 19, 2002, to April 19, 2008 is NISAN 14, 5768, PASSOVER. This all seems possible. I think the Second Advent will be on April 6, 2008 (Nisan 1, 5768).

Eze. 45:18-21 says, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month (Nisan), in the first day of the month (Nisan 1, DAY OF THE SECOND ADVENT, Eze. 29:17,21; Hos. 6:3), thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and CLEANSE THE SANCTUARY (Nisan 1, day of Second Advent): And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court. And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month (Nisan 7) for every one that erreth, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house. In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month (NISAN 14), ye shall have the PASSOVER."

Dan. 12's 1290 days would end on Iyar 15 (May 20, 2008), because they would be shortened. The 1335 days would end on Av 2 (August 3, 2008), because they too would be shortened. The latter is the day Daniel will stand in his own lot in Israel.

WE HAVEN'T RUN OUT OF TIME YET. We need to stay ready and wait patiently. Av 10, July 19, 2002, seems like it will be the long-awaited day of the Pre-Trib Rapture.

This all hangs together. Let's wait and see what happens July 19, 2002. Just as the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place on the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord, the Pre-Trib Rapture may take place on the 1st day of the Tribulation. That way, it would serve as a type of the 2nd Rapture.

Jer 8:13,20 says, "I will surely consume them, saith the LORD: THERE SHALL BE NO GRAPES ON THE VINE (the good fruit has been raptured, the bad cut off and left for the beasts of Rev. 13 to summer and winter on them, Isa. 18:6), NOR FIGS ON THE FIG TREE (Israel has no fruit at this time), AND THE LEAF (one grown in the Six-Day War, maybe the West Bank or Golen Heights; Gaza Strip is already gone) SHALL FADE...THE HARVEST (i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture) IS PAST, THE SUMMER IS ENDED, AND WE ARE NOT SAVED."

Mic 7:1 says, "Woe is me! for I am as (symbolic language) when THEY HAVE GATHERED (oceph, REMOVED, TAKEN AWAY) THE SUMMER FRUITS (i.e., both Raptures happen in the summer), as the grapegleanings of the vintage (Tishri 1, was the Pre-Wrath Rapture): there is no cluster (only 2 Raptures) to eat : my soul desired the FIRSTRIPE FRUIT (1st Rapture). The GOOD MAN IS PERISHED (ABAD, ESCAPED) OUT OF THE EARTH: AND THERE IS NONE UPRIGHT AMONG MEN."

Hang on to our "blessed hope." Heaven sounds wonderful. Hoping to see you there or in the air. Agape ---
On July 19, 2002, Saturn will rise about 12:30 AM, Jerusalem time. By 10 AM, 5 planets will be in the sky. See below. The Sun, Jupiter and Mercury all look to be in one place with Venus and Saturn flanking them. Near the bottom of the picture are Puppis, the Poop Deck, Vela, the sails, and Carina, the keel of the ship Argo, which means the company of travelers. Argo represents Noah's Ark. It too represents Christ as the Saviour. There is a likeness of Christ's face on the ship just above the waterline. It has been backing into the harbor. Now, it will probably dock. The anchor-cross sign appeared in Vela, the sails, on 6-9-00. The new star, Nova Velorum, appeared in Vela 5-22-99. It was visible to the naked eye.

Here is a good picture of "the string of pearls" that hit Jupiter. It gives us a good idea of how the asteroids might look as they come in. Tails may develop when they burst into flames when they hit our atmosphere. Scan to the right for more.

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