Pro and Con 91, Uploaded 5-3-98

Incoming Email, Re: Your Impact

I have been visiting your web page for almost a year now and want to personally thank-you for all your time and efforts. How you find time for it all I'll never know. I want to possibly brighten your day with some information that I have recently noticed. When I first started to visit your page I was in complete awe of your predictions, but was surprised (because of the scriptural basis) that few others seemed to share your views. As the months went by and I continued to visit not only your web site, but other Christian sites I saw that this date of May 31, 1998 started to be discussed. Obviously, you can imagine and have heard for youself some of what has been posted out there. I know that you probably don't have time to visit them all yourself. As I write you today the month of May is only a few days away, and I want to tell you that (this is the good news part) there has been dramatic shift in the number of people who believe you. It seems that the evidence keeps on mounting for what you have been telling us for along time. I pray that God will continue to shine his light on you and us as the day of our redemption draweth nigh!

My reply

Bless you for these encouraging words. You are right, I have very little time to explore the Internet.

People that think we can't know should soberly consider this. Israel became a nation in 1948. When still young, 19, she grew leaves and not only fulfilled the Fig Tree Parable, but she took Jerusalem and the temple area. Thus the times of the Gentiles was fulfilled (Luke 21:24). Dating from that Six-Day War of 1967, their Levites came of age (30) to officiate in the temple last year, and the last generation will run out in 2007. We are now in 1998. 2007 - 1998 = 9 years for all the things of the end of the age to take place. How much time have we got to wait for the Rapture? Not beyond 2001 for sure.

If the sacrificing is to begin in 2001, then the temple should be built by then. I wouldn't be surprised if as soon as the Church, the spiritual temple, is gone, the eartly temple will be begun. It does take some time to build it. Both temples will be raised up. It correlates nicely. As one leaves Earth, the other needs to get ready to take over on Earth.

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We hope this email finds you well. Just wanted to send you the address of our homepage which includes a link to your site. We know you are very busy but we wanted to let you know. Maybe if you do have time to visit our site you could let us know what you think. Looking forward to seeing you SOON!!
God bless!, cin~
Maranatha! Kirk and Cindie Lang

My reply

I was delighted to see your new Web site, Watching and Praying." I added your URL to my link page. You brought out something important in your file "Watch and Know" that started me thinking again about the subject of knowing. Concerning the no-man-knows passages, you said,

> The verb translated "knoweth" and "know" in these passages are all the same
> word, "oida" (Strongs 1492). This word oida means to discern, to see, to
> notice attentively, fully perceive, observe, recognize. It is a present
> tense verb, meaning that at the time he spoke these words, the ones to whom
> he spoke them did not "know". These passages imply that the hearer is not
> discerning or recognizing something that can be discerned or recognized.
> Hence the instruction to "WATCH therefore!" In other words, "Pay attention,
> for you are not discerning this!" In no way do these passages imply that no
> man CAN know or that no man shall ever know.

Since "oida" means discern or recognize, we should be able to see that Matthew 24:36 could mean that of that day and hour RECOGNIZES no man. It was something that could at some time be recognized, but at that time no one recognized it. This question then crossed my mind, "Why didn't any man recognize the day and hour in 30 AD?

Jesus answered this in Acts 1:7, when "he said unto the apostles, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. BUT ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you." The Holy Spirit came upon them on Pentecost. Then they could know sometime after Pentecost, but when?

"Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples (types): and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (ages) are come" (I Cor. 10:11). Therefore, just maybe the timing of the end-time events will become known after a certain Pentecost that follows the beginning of the time of the end.

If so, which Pentecost would be most likely? The very next one is 50 years after Israel was reborn as a nation. It is 30 years since the Sign of the End of the Age, when Israel grew leaves and took the rest of Jerusalem and the temple area, thus bringing to an end "the times of the Gentiles" (Luke 21:24). Israel's Levites are now of age (at least 30) to officiate in the Tribulation temple.

Next Pentecost is the one that falls in Israel's Jubilee Year, which is also the 6000th year since man began to be tried as mortal and knowing both good and evil. If this coming Pentecost is the one in view, it will be the last day of this month, May 31, 1998.

If I am right about that date being the Rapture of the Bride of Christ, the rest of the dates of the end-time events are already charted. All that is needed is for the first one to take place on the projected date, and the rest can be known. Will this Pentecost cause the foolish virgins to finally recognize the schedule of end-time events?

We don't have long to wait and see. Today, May 2, 1998, is the Saturday Sabbath, the 21st day of the counting of the Omer. There are 30 more days to go. Israel celebrated the beginning of the Jubilee, according to their calendar Iyar 5, on our April 30 and May 1. Are we poised on the brink of the next event in God's end-time agenda? Will Christ descend to catch us up at the Rapture on the same feast (Pentecost) on which the Holy Spirit descended?

Jack W. Langford, of Fort Worth, TX, thinks we will. He has arrived at this conclusion in a different way than I did. He recognized "The Incredible Parallel between the Holocaust of Christ and the 20th Century Holocaust of the Jews." This I missed, and I am so thankful that he was nice enough to send me what he wrote about his discovery. It is a whole ring binder full of material. This is just a fraction of it, but to me, it is the most important point.

He wrote, "The word 'Holocaust' means 'whole burnt sacrifice.' It is actually a Greek word. It was used many times in the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures (called the Septuagint) regarding the whole burnt sacrifices. In the Septuagint it was used several times in the sacrifice of Isaac in Genesis 22. Isaac was a clear type of Christ. It is used three times in what is called the New Testament (Mark 12:33; Hebrews 10:5-10). In the Hebrews passage it twice has reference to the burnt sacrifices as being typical of the death of Jesus Christ for the sins of the world. In other words, Christ's death was a 'holocaust' and now this unusual suffering of the Jews is called a 'holocaust' as well."

Mr. Langford also wrote, "Many statements about events were actually made during the Holocaust comparing aspects or incidents of the slaughter of the Jews to various aspects of the crucifixion of Christ. I have collected a number of these incidents including a more recent one taken right out of an editorial in the Jerusalem Post--'In Auschwitz they did just that. There they crucified Jesus a second time...One quite influential Protestant cleric wrote a very sobering book entitled The Crucificion of the Jews and called the creation of the State of Israel--'the resurrection of the Jews.'"

As I understand it, the parallels that Mr. Langford recognize boil down to this:

In 30 AD, Christ was crucified, resurrected after three days, and the Holy Spirit descended on the 50th day, Pentecost. Thus, there was this schedule in days: the Crucifixion + 3 days = Resurrection + 50 days = descent of Holy Spirit to the church on Pentecost.

He thinks that the modern parallel of this schedule is being played out in years. In 1945, the Jew's "crucifixion" ended in May. Three years later to the very month, Israel was resurrected as a nation in May. He thinks that Israel's resurrection in 1948 + 50 = descent of Christ to the church on Pentecost (in May).

He agrees with my date of Pentecost, May 31, 1998. The only difference is that he thinks that since the Holy Spirit descended at 9:00 in the morning, the Rapture will take place at 9:00 AM. I had thought that since the Bridegroom came to take the wise virgins at midnight, the Rapture would probably take place at midnight.

You said,
> The verb "watch" (gregoreo - Strongs 1127) is used of "keeping awake" and of
> spiritual alertness. We find this same word again in Revelation 3:3 where
> Jesus says, "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a
> thief and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." Does this
> not imply that if we DO watch, we WILL know?

Does this mean that we will know the exact hour?

You also said,
> Beginning in Matthew 24:32 we read the parable of the fig tree. We know that
> the fig tree refers to Israel. Jesus said when the fig tree is yet tender
> (young)......God told Israel that only those under twenty years of age would
> enter into the promised land (Numbers 32:11), so these young ones were under
> twenty. In 1948 Israel became a nation again, but in 1967 when she was YET
> TENDER (she was 19 years of age) she fought for her new found freedom in the
> six day war. It was then that she took the Sinai, the Gaza strip, the Golan
> Heights, and the West Bank.....she putteth forth leaves!! Jesus said when
> his branch is yet tender and putteth forth leaves, ye see that summer is
> nigh (the six day war occured in early June, right before summmer began): So
> likewise ye, when ye shall SEE these things, know that it is near, even at
> the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not come to pass,
> till all these things be fulfilled.

> This word SEE is the word "oida"! It is the same word that is translated
> "know" in the passages we examined in Matthew 24 and 25. Jesus says WATCH
> for ye know not when. It doesn't seem that we would be pushing limitations
> by interpreting this as Jesus telling us to be alert and SEE this, because
> when we do SEE we will KNOW it is time!

We have seen these things. Now it looks like we can pick out the most likely time. Can we also figure out the hour?

You also wrote:
> The Wedding

> Jesus consistently likened His coming for His church to a wedding. In Israel
> the time of Pentecost is a popular time for weddings, much as the month of
> June is a popular time for weddings in the United States. The book of Ruth
> is beautiful typology of this, with Boaz being a type of Christ, our kinsman
> redeemer and Ruth his gentile bride. This year Pentecost is on May 31, 1998
> (Sivan 6, 5758 on the Jewish calender).

> As this study is being typed it is April 30, 1998 on our gregorian calender.
> But in Israel it is 4 Iyar 5758 and Israel is celebrating 50 years of
> independence today. It is their Year of Jubilee. The year of Jubilee is
> described in Leviticus 25 as being a time when slaves are set free, debts
> are canceled, and property is returned to it's owner. What a beautiful
> picture of the rapture of the church!! We who were once slaves to sin, set
> free from this world, our debt of sin paid for on Calvary by the Lord Jesus
> Christ, now returning to Him to whom we belong! Our beloved Bridegroom could
> very well return in the clouds to rapture His bride this year on Pentecost,
> May 31, 1998. But even if He does not come for His own on that particular
> day, we must have eyes to see that the day is approaching very quickly.

> Our prayer is that all who read these pages will be prepared when He calls
> for us. He is coming for a people who are prepared and watching for Him. He
> is coming for a bride who is head over heals in love with Him. Let us Watch!
> Let us Prepare! Let us renew our first love and Know Him!

This is the most important thing. Amen and Amen.

Your comments on all this will be appreciated.

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Let me summarize the most likely candidates for the time of the rapture.

There are those who believe that the rapture will span timezones across the world. There are also those that believe midnight (JT) Jerusalem time between the 30th and the 31st will usher in the rapture. Now you say that others believe it will happen at 9:00 am on the 31st of May. Here are the scenarios:

1) Across timezones - 12:00 am on the 31st around the world (problem with this is that the verse Mt 24:40 'two in the field' doesn't apply well as most do not work in the field at midnight)

2) 12:00 am on the 31st JT -6 pm 30th East Coast EST, and 3 pm 30th Pacific PST

3) 9:00 am on the 31st JT -3 am the 31st EST and 12 am 31st PST

Scenario 2 or 3 looks better than #1. So it could occur on the 30th or 31st for us depending on what you choose.

It is interesting to note that for scenario #3 the rapture takes the east coast at the 'third hour' (our third hour on the east coast is 3 am counting from midnight), at midnight for the pacific time zone and at 9 am for Jerusalem (also their third hour). So for the large population zones in the US on both coasts we have midnight and 3 am as a time candidate. Sounds interesting.

Perhaps the 'no man knoweth the day or hour' still does apply to the 'last generation'. Maranatha!

P.S. By the way, I just discovered that Barbara Richmond occassionally leads a local Bible study/prayer group for a group of women in my congregation (when she is in town). I was very curious about the fax that Mrs. Richmond received from the rabbi in Jerusalem and got a confirmation from one of the women in my church that knows her well. The 30 - 50 time span revelation gave me additional confirmation that Pentecost is indeed the time of the rapture. Hallelujah!

My reply

> 1) Across timezones - 12:00 am on the 31st around the world (problem with
> this is that the verse Mt 24:40 'two in the field' doesn't apply well as
> most do not work in the field at midnight)

I do know that my cousin, who farms for the Hulmans, and my brother, who was helping him, were driving tractors with lights on, plowing in the field at night near Hulman airport, Terre Haute, IN. The reason I heard about it is because an incoming plane unexpectedly turned on its exceptionally bright landing lights when very low, illuminating the whole field and just about making them jump out of their skins because they did not hear the plane over the noise of the tractors.

> Perhaps the 'no man knoweth the day or hour' still does apply to the 'last generation'.

It is possible. Here it could be Saturday, May 30; in Jerusalem, Sunday, May 31; in Australia, Monday, June 1. In Mark 13:35-37, Jesus said, "Watch ye therefore: for ye know not (know is present tense, they knew not on that day) when the master (Christ) of the house (church) cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly (like the airplane lights) he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch."

My cousin and brother were so intent on their plowing that they were not watching for a plane. I hope we all are watching come Pentecost. So what if we literally stay awake, as the Jews do all night on Pentecost, and watch all night and nothing happens? All we have lost is one night's sleep. Would that be so terrible? But, what if Jesus does come for us that night? A lot of signs point to this Pentecost as the most likely time. Wouldn't it be wonderful to be found watching?

I think midnight has a more definite tie-in with the Rapture. Mt. 25:5 says, "But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh: go ye out to meet him." All that matters is that we are wise virgins with plenty of the oil of the Holy Spirit, and that we hear the "midnight" cry, "the bridegroom cometh: go."

The Jewish year 5758 means the season of Noah; 58 spells Noah. Mt. 24:37,40,41 says, "But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be....Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

The field is the world. In all the world, "one shall be taken, and the other left."

A woman can represent a religious group. It seems possible that here the two women represent the Philadelphian church and the Laodicean church of Rev. 3:7f, and "one shall be taken, and the other left."

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...I had a strange experience a couple of days ago. I received a FAX from an old friend that I have not heard from for several years now. They did not know how to do reach me. So they looked up our private phone number and got our FAX line. They then sent a FAX letting me know they wanted to get in touch with me. I called them on the phone and made an appointment to meet with them at their home the next day. To make a long story short, they told me that thay had something to tell me. I asked them "what is it?" They said that the Lord is coming back real soon this year. I asked them "when?" They were not real sure of the time but thought it might be in the fall. I asked them if they would like to know exactly when He is coming, and for me to show them that information from the Scriptures. They said "yes." I then asked for a Bible and we spent the next hour and a half going through the Scriptures. Here's the good part! While I was laying out the Scriptures to them, they recieved three long distance phone calls from other people. (Some have websites on the Internet, and are authors of Christian books, that they had contacted). After I was all done with the Bible study they then told me that I was the fourth person THAT DAY to tell them that the Lord is coming on the Day of Pentecost on May 31 this year!!! The other three being the people that they had talked to on the phone!!! But I was the only one that gave them the proof and tie it all up together of when His coming on Pentecost this year is. THAT'S ONLY 30 MORE DAYS!!! JUST 1 MORE MONTH TO GO NOW! Maranatha.

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Long time reader, first time writer.
I'm curious to know if you believe there are any inconsistencies that could possibly punch some holes in you findings. Obviously there is nothing drastic-you've definately done your homework! You are very articulate when it comes to defending your findings that I dare not wast your time trying to prove you wrong. It all looks great to me, but perhaps there is something in your book on the rapture that even you are not completely confident in. Trust me when I say that your work has been very inspirational, and I truly hope you are correct; but what this all boils down to is either you were divinely inspired, or masterfully articulate. Thank you for your time

My reply

I have known the basic plan of major end-time events (all except the second Rapture) ever since 1968. All this time, I have tried to disprove it. I learn new things all along and everything fits into the same pattern. I am more confident than ever, but remember that I can make mistakes. Search the scriptures and see what you think. Jesus said he has foretold us all things. The clues are there for anyone to dig out. You do have to look for them as for silver though. They are not always something that will catch your eye the first time through the Bible. For instance, the Jewish month and day of the month of Jesus' return are in the Old Testament. Yet, at the time of the Olivet Discourse, none had recognized it. As far as I know, I am the first to see it, and that was after the Lord opened the eyes of my understanding when he woke me up and said, "Be still and know that I am God."

I can't say I was divinely inspired, as prophets were inspired, because I can make mistakes. For the first couple of years, I thought the Translation of the Tribulation Saints was in the middle of the Tribulation. I'd love to think I was masterfully articulate, but that is probably laying it on a bit thick.

What is true is that I prayed to understand everything God wanted man to know about the Bible, and God answered that prayer. He did not dump everything on me at once. He helped me to dig out the answers to my questions by diligent work. Every time I found something new, I got such a rush that the hair stood up on my arms. He was helping me dig it out.

I had no idea I would find out some things. There was more there than I bargained on. When I found out where Heaven was, all I could do was whisper to myself, "Then it's true" and let out a prolonged but soft "Whew" more like a breath of air pushed out through pursed lips than anything.

When the Bible gets hold of you, it won't let go. I feel like I have studied just about my whole life, one subject or another, but I started on the Bible sometime before 1960 and have been at it ever since.

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I am so happy that I found your website on the internet! I have read your articles on your site and found them exciting, informative, but most of all comforting, in my case. I am a couple days away from my 51st birthday, and back in Feb/98, after several tests, I was told I have two lumps in my breast, one of them may be cancerous, I will know definetly on May 7, 1998 when I see the cancer specialist. I just wanted to tell you that I always knew, that the Rapture would come in my lifetime, and I pray everynight that my family and I would live to see that day that it took place. Now you have given me hope, May 31,1998, Pentecost is just around the corner, and even if I am diagnosed having cancer, I will not have to wait long when my suffer is over. Praise God! I was Baptisted with the Holy Spirit back in Feb 19, 1990 with the evidence of speaking in tongues. The Lord has used this vessel in different ways through the years to spread his message of Love and Salvation.

I have told many people about you and The Rapture on Penetecost, some agree, others doubt, others don't know what to think. I however, believe in my heart of hearts that the Lord raised up a great End time, servant, whom He has revealed to take His message to the World. That blessed servant is you Marilyn! God Bless you Marilyn, you are doing His will here on Earth! If it happens on May 31st. in some cases (May 30th) because of the time zones, it matters not when, all that matters it can't be long now, the time is short to get right with God! I have tried so many times to catch your radio interviews, however, I live in Toronto, Canada, and have so far have been unable too.

I am waiting, watching, and praying each and everyday to be found worthy to escape all that is coming upon this earth. I pray the same for my family and friends. MARANATHA! COME LORD JESUS COME SOON!

My reply

Thanks so much for your kind remarks.

> If it happens on May 31st. in some cases (May 30th)
> because of the time zones, it matters not when, all that matters it can't
> be long now, the time is short to get right with God!

I agree. The time to wake up is now. We entered into the last 40 years of probation when Israel grew leaves in the Six-Day War of 1967. This means that this age will end in 2007. 2007 - 1998 = 9 years in which all the end time events between the Rapture and the beginning of the Millennium must take place. It can't be long now.

> I have tried so many times to catch your radio interviews, however, I live in Toronto,
> Canada, and have so far have been unable too.

The station in Pittsburgh reaches into Canada (half of it). I'm sorry you couldn't get it.

> I am waiting, watching, and praying each and everyday to be found worthy
> to escape all that is coming upon this earth.

That is exactly what we should all be doing.

Incoming Email, FWD

>>The current world population is 5.8 Billion
>>The population of Israel is 5.8 Million
>>The population of Jerusalem is 580 Thousand (city limits)

>>This is the Jewish Year 5758 on the Hebrew Calender

>>58 in Hebrew is Nun Chet, which equals Noach/Noah in Hebrew, so this is the
>>time/year (Shin Tav) of Noah.

>>As in the days of will be the coming of the Bar Enosh--Dan 7:14.

>>Shavuot/Pentecost, Sivan 6th, falls this year, according to the Biblical
>>count, on the "morrow after the 7th Shabbath," i.e., on a Sunday--May 31st.
>>50th anniversary of the establishment of the State of Israel.

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