Pro and Con 911

Posted 5-3-02

On Five Doves site

From: James Hacker
"The Bride & Bridegroom Side by Side; Now As a Heavenly Sign !!! "
http://www.fivedoves.com/latterdayletters/showletter.php?id=728
Biblical Astronomy, June 2002 - by Bob Wadsworth
...The planets Jupiter (Tzedeq – The Lord Our Righteousness) and Venus (Nogah - the bright and morning star) will be putting on a brilliant display in the constellation Gemini in early June.

Chart 270 (on his web site) shows the positions of the planets Jupiter and Venus in the constellation Gemini as seen from Jerusalem in the early evening of June 1, 2002. When viewed from the United States, the two planets will be side by side. Jupiter is in the left figure of the constellation, and Venus in the right figure. This is an incredible display when taking all factors into consideration....

The Planisphere of Dendera also shows the left figure in Gemini to be male and the right figure to be female. This is of particular interest concerning the celestial event of June 1 when Jupiter (Messiah or Bridegroom) will be seen in the left figure of Gemini (male figure) and Venus (the bride) will be seen in the right figure (female....

I did an extensive search (20 hours) of all the massings of Venus, Mars and Saturn since the year 2 BC. There were only 9 massings of these planets in Taurus including the one in 2 BC and the one on May 5/6, 2002....the May 6, 2002 event was at least a one in two thousand year event as seen in Taurus.

News

SOLANA: DATE FOR STATE MUST BE SET AT REGIONAL SUMMIT
http://www.jvim.com/cgi-bin/update.cgi
6-3-02 Ha'aretz - European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana said Sunday that the date for the establishment of a Palestinian state should be set at a Mideast peace conference. Solana, who spoke after meeting Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, also said that there was general agreement in the international community that a Mideast peace conference should be convened in the second half of July.
---
Bilderberg Split on Iraq War
http://www.americanfreepress.net/05_26_02/Bilderberg_Split/bilderberg_split.html

The super-secret Bilderberg Group, meeting at Westfields Marriott May 30 through June 2, remains united on its main agenda—global government and all its attendant financial benefits for international banksters and others—but there is a serious split over the issue of going to war. By James P. Tucker Jr.

CHANTILLY, Va.—There is sharp division among Bilderberg luminaries—who are making their final arrangements to arrive for the secret meeting May 30-June 2 at the Westfields Marriott 30 miles outside of Washington—over the issue of war with Iraq....

On the larger, global agenda, Bilderberg enjoys its traditional unity. There is broad agreement on the need to turn the United Nations into a world government....

By giving President Bush Fast Track authority to negotiate expansion of NAFTA throughout the Western Hemisphere, Bilderberg’s goal of creating an “American Union,” with all countries in North, Central and South America, will be advanced. The ultimate goal is to divide the world into three great regions for the administrative convenience of a world government. The dollar is to become the common currency.
---
Sharon Accused of Undermining US Peace Moves, by Ewen MacAskill
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0530-06.htm

The Palestinian leadership is demanding a clear timetable and framework for a US-backed Middle East peace conference being proposed for this summer, to prevent it from descending into an empty "festival" of ideas....

The White House is drawing up plans for the international conference.
---
Sharon to lead Israeli team to peace parley By HERB KEINON AND NEWS AGENCIES 6-2-02 http://www.jpost.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/Full&cid=1022691066306

Burns reportedly told Sharon the US hopes the conference still may be held as early as July

Incoming email

From: Mike Curtiss
Re: Prayer support
Boy was I suprised to have the help of all the prayer warriors at your site. I've been along for four years now. My illness was a spirtual as well as a medical struggle. Well, God is sufficient! Praise His Holy name. The enemy fell apart....Agape

My reply

Well, you were in lots of pain. Having had lots of that myself, I could imagine how bad it could be. I knew people would pray for you if they knew the situation. We need to hold each other up. We are one body, you know.

> > The enemy fell apart.

That's good news. Thank you Lord for answering our prayers. In Jesus' name, Amen....Agape

Incoming email

There were giants on the Earth in those days, and at least three had double teeth in front as well as in the back

In 1872, the Historical Collections of Noble County Ohio (p. 350,351), a mound was uncovered, in which were found “the remains of three skeletons whose size would indicate they measured in life at least eight feet in height. The remarkable feature of these remains was they had double teeth in front as well as in back of mouth and in both upper and lower jaws. Upon exposure to the atmosphere the skeletons crumbled back to mother earth.”

The accounts of "giants" in the Bible were not figments of man's imagination. They actually existed, not only in the Middle East, but all over the world!

Incoming e-mail

From: Rich Pope
Re: I'm begging you
Please get a copy of the Talmud so you can understand the Old Testament. You are really making yourself look foolish in the eyes of God and man when you comment on things that have already been handed down for thousands of years. You're spinning your wheels here...I left Christianity because I found out it didn't know the first thing about God when it comes to the Old Testament (among other reasons). My life has been infinitely enriched from reading the Talmud and gaining a full and complete understanding of the OT.

My reply

I'm sorry, but the Talmud is written by fallible human beings. At this late date, I can't waste time trying to sort truth from untruth. I do not have that kind of time, so I go straight to God's word. It is the only real written truth we have. It is God breathed. No mere man could have packed all that information into such a small book. It has layer after layer of meaning. There is so much there that one man can't learn it all in a lifetime.

Though written down at different times throughout the centuries for us by men that God used to transmit his word to mankind, we find all kinds of evidence of one controlling mastermind that knew the end from the beginning, before the world began.

Like Daniel, the writers did not always understand what they were inspired to write, but the various parts all hold together perfectly with a stronger force than any glue. It is all one book, God's messages for mankind. We are being tested, and the only way we can pass the test is to read the manual. The whole book is cohesive and logically consistant. What is begun in Genesis is completed in The Revelation of Jesus Christ. If we skip any part of it, we will have holes in our understanding. We owe it to ourselves to pray for understanding, and then read the whole thing. Agape

My outgoing e-mail

To: Rich Pope
When was Dan. 9:25,26 fulfilled?
Daniel gave us a prophecy showing when haMashiach (the Messiah) would come. In Daniel 9:23-27 (Stone), Gabriel told Daniel, "Contemplate this matter and gain understanding in the vision. Seventy septets (490 years) have been decreed upon your people (Israel) and upon your holy city (Jerusalem) to terminate transgression, to end sin, to wipe away iniquity, to bring everlasting righteousness, to confirm the visions and prophets, and to anoint the Holy of Holies. Know and comprehend: FROM THE EMERGENCE OF THE WORD TO RETURN AND TO BUILD JERUSALEM UNTIL THE ANOINTMENT OF THE PRINCE (haMASHIACH) WILL BE SEVEN SEPTETS (49 years), AND FOR SIXTY-TWO SEPTETS (434 years; 49 + 434 = 483 years total) IT WILL BE REBUILT, STREET AND MOAT, BUT IN TROUBLED TIMES. THEN, AFTER THE SIXTY-TWO SEPTETS (after the 49, and after the 434, or 483 years total), THE ANOINTED ONE (haMASHIACH) WILL BE CUT OFF (karath, killed) AND WILL EXIST NO LONGER;

"the people (Romans) of the prince (the False Prophet that will come) will come will destroy the city (Jerusalem) and the Sanctuary (Temple, fulfilled in 70 AD); but his (the future False Prophet's) end will be [to be swept away as] in a flood (caused by the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 impacting the Mediterranean Sea, Zeph. 2:4,5). Then, until the end of the war (Armageddon, Rev. 16:16), desolation is decreed. He (the False Prophet) will forge a strong covenant with the great ones (probably the United Nations) for one septet (7 years); but for half of that septet (the middle of this 70th week of Daniel) he will abolish sacrifice and meal-offering (at the temple mount), and the mute abominations (idols) will be upon soaring heights, until extermination as decreed will pour down upon the mute [abomination]."

If we can determine when the decree went forth to rebuild Jerusalem, we can also determine when the anointed one, the haMashiach, would be killed. It would be after 483 years, counted from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem.

We find out from Isaiah 44:24,28 (written 140 years before Cyrus) that Cyrus will command the city and temple to be built. Stone's Tanach says, "I am HASHEM (YHVH), Who has made everything...Who says of Cyrus, 'He is My shepherd, He will fulfill all My desires,' to say of JERUSALEM, 'It shall be built,' and of the TEMPLE, It shall be established.'"

Josephus (Ant. XI. I. 1-3) shows us that it was Cyrus that fulfilled Isa. 44:28. He said, "1. In the first year of the reign of Cyrus, which was the seventieth from the day that our people were removed out of their own land unto Babylon, God commiserated the captivity and calamity of these poor people, according as he had foretold to them by Jeremiah the prophet, before the destruction of the city, that after they had served Nebuchadnezzar and his posterity, and after they had undergone that servitude seventy years, he would restore them again to the land of their fathers, and they should build their temple, and enjoy their ancient prosperity; and these things God did afford them; for he stirred up the mind of Cyrus, and made him write this throughout all Asia:--"Thus saith Cyrus the King:--Since God Almighty hath appointed me to be king of the habitable earth, I believe that he is that God which the nation of the Israelites worship; for indeed he foretold my name by the prophets, and that I should build him a HOUSE at JERUSALEM, in the country of Judea."
"2. This was known to Cyrus by his reading the book which Isaiah left behind him of his prophecies; for this prophet said that God had spoken thus to him in a secret vision:--"My will is, that Cyrus, whom I have appointed to be king over many and great nations, send back my people to their own land, and build my TEMPLE." This was foretold by Isaiah one hundred and forty years before the temple was demolished. Accordingly, when Cyrus read this, and admired the divine power, an earnest desire and ambition seized upon him to fulfil what was so written; so he called for the most eminent Jews that were in Babylon, and said to them, that he gave them leave to go back to their own country, and the REBUILD THEIR CITY JERUSALEM, AND THE TEMPLE OF GOD, for that he would be their assistant, and that he would write to the rulers and governors that were in the neighborhood of their country of Judea, that they should contribute to them gold and silver for the building of the temple, and, besides that, beasts for their sacrifices.
3. When Cyrus had said this to the Israelites, the rulers of the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin, with the Levites and priests, went in haste to Jerusalem...they...offered the sacrifices that had been accustomed of old time; I mean this UPON THE REBUILDING OF THEIR CITY, and the revival of the ancient practices relating to their worship. Cyrus also sent back to them the vessels of God which king Nebuchadnezzar had pillaged out of the temple, and carried to Babylon....Cyrus also sent an epistle to the governors that were in Syria, the contents whereof here follow:--
"KING CYRUS TO SISINNES AND SATHRABUZANES, SENDETH GREETING ""I have given leave to as many of the Jews that dwell in my country as please to return to their own country, and to REBUILD THEIR CITY, AND TO BUILD THE TEMPLE OF GOD AT JERUSALEM, on the same place where it was before....my will is, that those who disobey these injunctions, and make them void, shall be hung upon a cross, and their substance brought into the king's treasure.""

The 1st year of Cyrus, when the decree to rebuild Jerusalem was given, was BC 454. See The Romance of Bible Chronology, by Martin Anstey. He found an 82-year mistake in the period of the Persian Kings. Ptolemy had guessed at some of the years in his list, and missed by 82 years.

The accepted date of BC 536 - 82 = BC 454. Now that we have the correct starting date, we can figure out exactly when haMashiach would be killed (Dan. 9:25,26). Daniel's 483 years - 454 BC years + 1 (because there was no zero year) = 30 AD. That is when haMashiach was killed.

He died as the Passover lambs were being slain. "But in truth, it was our ills that he bore, and our pains that he carried...the chastisement upon him was for our benefit, and through his wounds, we were healed. We have all strayed like sheep, each of us turning his own way, and HASHEM INFLICTED UPON HIM THE INIQUITY OF US ALL. He was persecuted and afflicted, but he did not open his mouth; LIKE A SHEEP being led to the slaughter or a ewe that is silent before her shearers, he did not open his mouth" (Isa. 53:4-7). He became our Passover Lamb. He died in 30 AD that we might live. He was resurrected 3 days later as proof of who he is, the Son of God. He ever lives to make reconciliation for us. Shalom and agape

Incoming e-mail

Just want you to have my new e-mail address... If you have an e-mail list to which you send updates I would like to be on your list.

My reply

Thanks. I'm hoping for the Rapture July 18, 2002. That is when the spies returned with a large bunch of grapes. They had entered the promised land on Sivan 29 (June 9, 2002), at the time of the firstripe grapes.

In Num 13:20, Moses told the spies to see "what the land is, whether it be fat or lean, whether there be wood therein, or not. And be ye of good courage, and BRING OF THE FRUIT OF THE LAND. NOW THE TIME WAS THE TIME OF THE FIRSTRIPE GRAPES."

This is Sivan 29 (June 9, 2002). In Nu. 10:11, they left Sinai on Iyar 2, traveled 3 days (v. 33), ate quail a month (11:20), and waited 7 days until Miriam could come back in the camp (12:14). Then Moses sent in the spies, who brought back one cluster of grapes 40 days later (Av 10, day both of the temples were burned. I charted it out in Pro and Con 907.

Jer 52:12,13 says, "Now in the fifth month (Av), in the tenth day of the month, which was the nineteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, which served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem, And burned the house of the LORD."

Song of Solomon mentions grapes in connection with the Bride of Christ.

Song 2:10-15 "My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds (birds is not in the original; I think it is the Bride singing the new song of Rev. 5:9) is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove) is heard in our land; The fig tree putteth forth her green figs (Israel starting to show fruit, i.e., Messianic Jews), and the vines with the TENDER GRAPE give a good smell. ARISE, MY LOVE, MY FAIR ONE, AND COME AWAY. Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have TENDER GRAPES."

Song 7:7 speaks of 2 clusters of grapes, indicating the 2 raptures. It says, "This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to CLUSTERS OF GRAPES." This is the same as pictured in 2:17's, "my beloved, and be thou like a roe or a young hart upon the MOUNTAINS OF BETHER (which means SEPARATION)." At the 1st Rapture, the wise virgins are caught up to the heavenly mountain (kingdom), and the foolish virgins are left behind, separated. They will be among the Tribulation saints caught up at the 2nd Rapture. Agape

Incoming email

Re: URGENT! Re: Rapture on 9 June & 19 July
Hi Jim (Bramlett) and Marilyn (Agee)

Very exiting stuff about your email on Swanson's 9 June AND Marilyn Agee's 19 July.

If you count the days between these 2 dates you get 40. Yes! "FORTY" a very significant number in the Word.

Now I was reading the following prophesies on the site below and WHAM (hold on to your hat) 40 appears again. You are in for a big surprise!

By the way Jim did you get my reply to your question whether the month I heard was June? If you did it may appear it is incorrect because the info below is unbelievably likely to occur. Also I have been sleeping very badly lately as though the Lord would have me spend more time with him. I noticed on DOVES that I am not the only one, it appears that all of God's true saints are being sought by Him, maybe you too have not been sleeping properly. Be blessed.
---
"A Prophetic Dream of Rapture," by Armin A. Wolff 2-`5-93
http://www.pressie.org/dreams_visions.html
Last night I had an extremely exciting and vivid dream-vision concerning the return of our LORD Jesus. I normally never remember anything I dream, but this was so gripping and vivid, and I have been thinking about it all day today. I would like to share it with you and hereby also have a written record.

I found myself in a meeting with a number of believers. The meeting hall looked like some kind of a warehouse and there were fewer than 100 assembled. The talk seemed to centre on the increasing persecution they were experiencing. All of a sudden Jesus appeared and most, but not all, were instantly transformed from mortal beings into Immortal. Also, at the same instant, some other Holy Ones appeared who had walked with God in ages past, both in New and Old Testament times. All of the ones who had, in an instant of time, received their new bodies were able to recognize and converse with the Holy Ones from times past. I heard someone exclaim: "I thought You are coming in the clouds to take us away." The reply was: "I am coming in the clouds and... My reward is with Me Behold, here they are, My Holy Ones of all time, My faithful witnesses, those who loved not their life, and thus received it. They are the clouds and my reward, My reward for what I endured on the cross for all."

I heard another question asked of the LORD, by one of the Transformed Persons, whether He would now take them with Him out of the tribulation they were experiencing. He replied: "No, you must remain here for another 40 days and nights, just as I was on Earth for another 40 days after My resurrection and minister with Me to those who were not ready. After the 40 days and nights you will come with Me into the skies above Jerusalem and we will leave from there to have a celebration, a banquet in My Father's house, a feast that has been planned before the worlds were made."

The ones in the assembly, who had remained in their mortal bodies, lamented and cried to the Transformed Ones to help them, but were told: "It is now too late. The Bridegroom has come for us and there is nothing we can do for you, in this regard. However, if you will not love your own life, not bow to the will of the sin-man and take that seal of his, you will join us after the celebration. You will be sealed by your death and kept in the throne room for the LORD."

In what seemed a moment later, I was in another similar assembly in (maybe) another country. There also, the instant transformation had taken place of many. I was told that this same event had happened all over the Earth and all born again, Spirit filled followers of Jesus had been thus transformed, at whatever spot they happened to be in that instant, and were joined by many of God's Holy Ones, from the dawn of creation up to the present time.

Just then, some heavily armed police, or soldiers, burst into the meeting and proceeded to beat, shoot, and arrest the believers. A little blonde Transformed lady stood-up to one of the large men, and refused to move when told she was under arrest. Five or six huge men tried to drag her away, but could not move her any further than they could have moved an ancient redwood or oak tree. This infuriated the police and they started to beat her, and to start shooting their weapons. The bullets went right through the Transformed Believers and made holes in the walls, or in some cases, struck and killed some of the mortals standing behind them. The blows seemed to go through also and have no effect whatsoever on the new resurrection bodies. The remaining mortals were dragged off to prison, along with some of the Transformed Ones who chose to go along. There was no sure way to tell at first glance, who was mortal and who lived in a transcendent resurrection body.

I was then also in a prison, and saw how the Immortals were comforting the anguished souls who were to be executed unless they denounced the name of Jesus. The guards and all governmental authorities were furious that they could do absolutely nothing to prevent the Glorified Believers from coming and going and ministering anywhere on Earth, wherever Jesus told them to go. No wall could hem them in, and no weapon, or human force, could oppose or harm them. One of the Transformed Saints who had lived ages ago on Earth spoke: "Within forty days, all who refuse to accept the seal of the evil one will be killed and kept safe by the Father, personally, in the throne room. Those who give in, will suffer in the Terrible Wrath beginning after the last saint is murdered. This Wrath is the LORD's Last Effort to get rebellious mankind to repent."

At this point, I awoke and as you can imagine, was quite agitated. In fact, my heart rate was considerably above the normal resting level. The clock said 5:05am. Needless to say, I could not go back to sleep. Over time, I may forget the details of this dream, or vision, but one thing I'll never forget is the anguish, wailing, and heart-rending lamentations of those who had to remain here. I do not know how many of these chose to be killed rather than take the seal of the antichrist.

Scripture does speak of a group coming out of the Great Tribulation, but whether some are from those who were left behind, or not, was not made clear to me in this vision. [The conclusion of Armin A. Wolff's dream and postscript remarks.]

My reply

Thanks for sending this to me. I see that Dr. Swanson picked June 9, which is Sivan 29, the time of the firstripe grapes, when Moses sent the spies into the promised land. That is a possibility for the Rapture will be when we go to our promised land, Heaven. However, the spies brought one cluster of grapes to Moses after 40 days. The day they arrived with the grapes was Av 10, the very day the temples were burned. It is like they went up in smoke as we (the temple of the Holy Spirit) will go up in clouds. I think after the 40 days is most likely.

Mr. Wolff wrote:
> > After the 40 days and nights you will come with Me into the skies above Jerusalem and we will leave from there to have a celebration, a banquet in My Father's house, a feast that has been planned before the worlds were made."

I wish I had recognized when the time of the firstripe grapes was earlier, because it wasn't at Pentecost, as I had thought for so long. It was Sivan 29 (June 9, 2002) instead (see Pro and Con 907). That is when the spies were sent into the promised land and instructed to bring some of the fruit of the land.

In Num 13:20, Moses told the spies to see "what the land is, whether it be fat or lean, whether there be wood therein, or not. And be ye of good courage, and BRING OF THE FRUIT OF THE LAND. NOW THE TIME WAS THE TIME OF THE FIRSTRIPE GRAPES."

Forty days later, they returned with one cluster of grapes hanging from a pole slung between 2 men.

Song of Solomon mentions grapes in connection with the Bride of Christ. Song 2:10-15 "My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds (birds is not in the original; I think it is the Bride singing the new song of Rev. 5:9) is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove) is heard in our land; The fig tree putteth forth her green figs (Israel starting to show fruit, i.e., Messianic Jews), and the vines with the TENDER GRAPE give a good smell. ARISE, MY LOVE, MY FAIR ONE, AND COME AWAY. Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have TENDER GRAPES." Song 7:7 speaks of 2 clusters of grapes, indicating the 2 raptures. It says, "This thy stature is like to a palm tree (upright), and thy breasts to CLUSTERS OF GRAPES." This is the same as pictured in 2:17's, "my beloved, and be thou like a roe or a young hart upon the MOUNTAINS OF BETHER (which means SEPARATION)." At the 1st Rapture, the wise virgins are caught up to the heavenly mountain (kingdom), and the foolish virgins are left behind, separated. They will be among the Tribulation saints caught up at the 2nd Rapture.

The Lord caused it to rain 40 days and 40 nights here in Southern California in 1969. I have a tab section put out by the Santa Ana Register giving the story and the beginning and ending dates. The floods were listed as a disaster in a world almanac, probably because there were deaths when a mountain slid down on a fire station. I had asked the Lord to show me how long Armageddon would last, so I took it that it would last 40 days. Now I see further than I could in those days and wonder where else the 40 days might apply.

My thoughts. Jesus ascended 40 days after the Resurrection. Will the 1st Rapture of living saints be 40 days after the resurrected saints receive their resurrection bodies? I Thess. 4:16,17 sounds like it all happens at once. "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air." Also, those that came out of their graves after Jesus did were taken to Heaven that same day. John 20:17 says, "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." That is when he took captivity captive and ascended to his Father. Eph 4:8 says, "When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men."

The spies entered the promised land. After 40 days, they brought Moses (meaning saved out of the water) a branch with one cluster of grapes, which represents the Bride in Song of Solomon. Joshua represented Jesus, whose name is Joshua from the Hebrew. Israel could have gone into the promised land then, but they were afraid of the giants. Because of the provocation, they had to wander in the wilderness 40 years until all those who were numbered, from 20 and up, died--except Joshua, the son of Nun (meaning the eternal) and Caleb. Joshua (Jesus) brought one cluster of grapes to Moses, the one who was supposed to have died, but was saved out of the water.

The meaning of Moses ties this to Noah (rest), who was saved out of the water in like manner. Both the "ark of bulrushes" and Noah's Ark were sealed with pitch (Gen. 6:14; Ex. 2:3). The Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37), and it rained 40 days and 40 nights in Noah's day.

Gen. 7:17-20 (Stone) says, "WHEN THE FLOOD WAS ON THE EARTH FORTY DAYS, THE WATERS INCREASED AND RAISED THE ARK SO THAT IT WAS LIFTED ABOVE THE EARTH. THE WATERS STRENGTHENED AND INCREASED GREATLY upon the earth, and the Ark drifted (yalak, walked [as Jesus walked], departed, went up, was taken away, vanished; i.e., picturing the Rapture) upon the surface of the waters.The waters strengthened very much upon the earth, all the high mountains which are under the entire heavens were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters strengthen, and the mountains were covered."

When Jesus walked upon the water, Peter came to him. They got in the ship, which was near the middle of the lake, and suddenly it was at the other side." John 6:21 says, "Then they willingly received him into the ship: and IMMEDIATELY the ship was at the land whither they went."

It seems that we will be teleported in one big hurry after a 40 day period. That fits the time between the time of the firstripe grapes, when the spies entered the land, and their return with the single cluster of grapes after 40 days.

Re: the feast. I had a dream of a feast in a large building. the long tables were covered in white tablecloths. I saw a boy I led to the Lord that was killed in Viet Nam. In another dream, Ed and I were walking towards the entry of the same building. This same boy ran up to us, glad to see us. He hugged me. I'll have to wait until I get there to see how much of that is the same. Agape

   Pro and Con 912   Or Return   Home


Contact me for more information at: mjagee@pe.net


Send me e-mail now


8641 Sugar Gum Rd, Riverside, CA 92508, USA; (909) 653-4110


© 1996-2001, Marilyn J. Agee
Updated 5-3-02