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Posted 6-7-02

A GOOD CLUE SUGGESTING THE AV 10 RAPTURE DATE - JACOB WENT TO EGYPT IN THE 2ND BAD YEAR, SEE MY REPLY TO THE SECOND E-MAIL

"For these two years (i.e., 2001 and 2002) hath the famine been in the land (bad years): and yet there are five years (2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007), in the which there shall neither be earing nor harvest. And God sent me before you to preserve you a posterity in the earth, and to save your lives by A GREAT DELIVERANCE (THE RAPTURE?)" (Gen 45:6).

Gen 45:11: "And there will I nourish thee; for yet there are five years of famine; lest thou, and thy household, and all that thou hast, come to poverty."

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Subject: Rapture... Just Curious
I am truly a believer and follower of Christ, I pray to be worthy to be counted in the rapture, I try to live as a Philadelphian Christian, I attend Church regularly, and I stay in my Bible, I really enjoy reading your Bible interpretations on your website, but I don't understand why you are posting Rapture dates. I believe there is a catch to the 40 years and the generation that sees Israel bloom again, but could it be possible that the rapture won't occur until 2007? and then the tribulation will start. (Myself I can't see it being that far off) but doesn't setting dates frustrate you when that date passes and the Rapture hasn't occurred? Please don't feel I am being a wise guy, or questioning your knowledge, but I feel date setting can turn people away, if they are new in Christ and hasn't built up a strong faith in CHRIST. Just Curious, Your sister in Christ

My reply

> > I don't understand why you are posting Rapture dates.

I saw a rectangle of light on Jer. 50:2. It said publish and conceal not. So I do that to the best of my ability.

> > doesn't setting dates frustrate you when that date passes and the Rapture hasn't occurred?

No. I wouldn't change God's plans if I could. He always knows best. If I can figure it out--fine. If I can't figure it out--fine. Jesus said to watch and I'm sure watching. I always think that this is probably a test to see which are wise virgins and which are foolish virgins. I aim to be an overcomer (Rev. 3:12), no matter how long it takes.

> > I believe there is a catch to the 40 years and the generation that sees Israel bloom again, but could it be possible that the rapture won't occur until 2007? and then the tribulation will start. (Myself I can't see it being that far off)

I can't see it being that far off, either. The Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993. Adding 7 good years and 7 bad years, as when Joseph was in Egypt, brings us to Sept. 13, 2007. The Accords were ratified in Israel 3 days later, on Tishri 1, 5754. Adding 7 good and 7 bad years brings us to Tishri 1, 5768, which just happens to be Sept. 13, 2007. That seems to be too good to not have been planned by God.

Let's look at the fig tree parable again--in Matthew, Mark and Luke, plus the preceeding verses. After reading Isa. 28:13, I think scattered things on one subject need to be put side by side to see what else can be gleaned from them. Isa. 28:13 says, "But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."

Mat 24:32-34 says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:6,7); When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting, i.e., modern Israel grafted into her old rootstock) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., no more than 19, as when they came out of Egypt), and putteth forth leaves (Gaza Strip, Sinai, Golan Heights, West Bank, in the Six-Day War of 1967, when Israel was 19), ye know that summer is nigh (the war started June 5, summer came June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see ALL THESE THINGS (Israel back in the land and growing), know that it (the kingdom of God, Luke) is near, even at the doors (symbol of the Raptures, Rev. 3:8; 4:1). Verily (Amen, so be it) I say unto you, This generation (that sees Israel back in the land and growing) shall not pass, till ALL THESE THINGS be fulfilled."

It is obvious that the first "ALL THESE THINGS" refers only to the things in the parable. When we see them come true, we know that the Raptures are nigh. The 2nd "ALL THESE THINGS" cannot refer to the things in the parable, because those things take place as the generation starts, not after 40 years. Therefore, the 2nd "ALL THESE THINGS" refers to everything Jesus had mentioned after the disciples asked him when these things would be and what would be the sign of his coming and the end of the age.

Everything Jesus mentioned in Mt. 24:15-31 takes place in the latter part of the Seventieth Week of Daniel, the Great Tribulation. In v. 15, the idol is placed at the temple Mid-Trib. The saints that were caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture are gathered, from one end of Heaven to the other, to the "general assembly" in Heaven (Heb. 12:23) as this age ends. At the same time, the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place.

Mark 13:24-27 says, "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN."

Compare this with Rev. 6:12-17. It says, "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" This age will end at 6 PM, when the Day of God's Wrath begins.

Therefore, the generation born in 1967 will not pass away until the last day of this age. I think it is 40 years because in 30 AD, Jesus told the Pharisees that "All these things shall come upon this generation" (Mt. 23:36). They did, in 70 AD.

Mark 13:28-30 says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: So ye in like manner, when ye shall see THESE THINGS come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till ALL THESE THINGS be done."

If we didn't understand when Matthew had ALL THESE THINGS in both places, maybe this makes it clearer. Mark 13:27 also showed us that this generation will last until the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place. We didn't have that information in Matthew 24.

Luke 21:29-32 says, "he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree (Israel), AND ALL THE TREES (other nations); When they now shoot forth (proballo, push to the front; i.e., attack Israel in the Six-Day War), ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see THESE THINGS (the attack on Israel) come to pass, know ye that the KINGDOM OF GOD IS NIGH AT HAND. Verily I say unto you, This generation (that started at the Six-Day War) shall not pass away, till ALL BE FULFILLED."

This "ALL" refers to a different set of verses than we found in Matthew and Mark. Luke 21:25-28 says, "And there shall be SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (lit., constellations); and upon the earth distress of nations (which we sure have now), with perplexity (no one knows quite what to do to stop all terrorism); the sea (people and nations, Rev. 17:15, maybe even the United Nations) and the waves (maybe individual nations) roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken (the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 will impact Earth). And then (on the last day of this age) shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory (the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14f, not the Second Advent which is 7 months future). And when these things (the signs in the Sun, Moon and Constellations) BEGIN TO COME TO PASS, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption (the Pre-Trib Rapture) draweth nigh."

We have already seen these signs. The Pre-Trib Rapture is nigh when the signs BEGIN, so it can't take place when these things are about to END. The Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place at the END. Therefore, the 2nd Rapture will take place near the junction of the last day of this age and the Day of God that is the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord.

2Pe 3:12 says, "Looking for and hasting unto THE COMING OF THE DAY OF GOD, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?" This is when the asteroids strike Earth.

We are the temple of the Holy Spirit. The temple in Ezekiel has two doors. There are two Raptures. The first is near when the signs BEGIN. The second is at the END. Rom 2:16 says, "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel." The Judgment Seat of Christ is on the Day of God.

If you want to place the Pre-Trib Rapture in 2007, remember that there are 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13) between the Day of God on Tishri 1 and the Second Advent on the following Nisan 1 (Eze. 29:17,21; Hos. 6:3), the 1st day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year. 5768 is a Leap Year with the 13th month. You might work things in if the end year was 5774 (our 2013/2014). It is a Leap Year. 5775 is not.

Don't forget that "when these things (the signs in the Sun, Moon and Constellations) BEGIN TO COME TO PASS, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption (the Pre-Trib Rapture) draweth nigh." Agape

Her reply

RE: Rapture... Just Curious
Your explanation makes sense, I am familiar with 2007 being exactly 40 years from 1967, my youngest brother was born in 1967. what I am wondering since the Oslo Accord ended in 2000, 1.) what do you mean by the 7 good years, and 7 bad years? Does that 7 year mark that ended the Oslo Accord Sept. 13,2000 have any significance to your 7 bad years and 7 good years statement? (the infatada did start back up really heavy in 2000) , What is the significance of Sept. 13th, 2007? , (since it couldn't possibly be the end of this age because the Tribulation is 7 years long, which is what is going to end with CHRIST coming at the end of the age to fight The Battle of Armageddon) other than marking the end of the 40 year generation? What is the significance of Sept. 13,2007? I know it has to be something... (because I am not similar with the Feast of Israel I am asking) Around the timing of the feast of Israel Could Sept. 13, 2007 be mid-point of the tribulation? meaning the Tribulation would begin around March 2003 which would be around "The Passover". Could that be a possible scenario? I was wondering because I have dreams and I have heard a voice only two times... I mainly have dreams ...My dream was on Sat. night April 13th, 2002 and it was of the 12 apostles telling me to read Matt. 21, It got me so excited I didn't even attend church that Sunday I stayed home and read and after reading Matt. chap. 21 and reading all the reference scriptures in my Bible, all the scriptures were concerning Christ coming quickly and The Passover being at hand... I pray for a deeper understanding of Bible Prophecy, the rapture and coming events, and that was what I came up with... also the voice I heard was so clear it said "YOU WILL BE THE GENERATION THAT SEE ME RETURN" and I tried to pass it off as me being sleep because I was sleep, but the voice was so loud and clear it completely woke me up. and I can't get it out of my head so now I am reading, studying and searching more than ever before. I hope to hear back from you if you have any thing further you'd like to explain to me, before 3:30pm when I get off work today... If I don't hear from you before then have a blessed weekend. Thank you for your time.

MY REPLY: ANOTHER CLUE THAT SUGGESTS THE AV 10 RAPTURE DATE - JACOB WENT TO EGYPT IN THE 2ND BAD YEAR

> > , 1.) what do you mean by the 7 good years, and 7 bad years?
> > Does that 7 year mark that ended the Oslo Accord Sept. 13,2000 have any significance to your 7 bad years and 7 good years statement? (the infatada did start back up really heavy in 2000)

When Joseph was in Egypt, Pharaoh had a dream, and God gave Joseph the interpretation. The 7 fat cows eaten up by 7 lean cows that came up after them mean the same thing as the 7 good ears eaten up by the 7 lean ears.

Gen. 41:25-32 says, "Joseph said unto Pharaoh, The dream of Pharaoh is one: God hath shewed Pharaoh what he is about to do. The seven good kine are seven years; and the seven good ears are seven years: the dream is one. And the seven thin and ill favoured kine that came up after them are seven years; and the seven empty ears blasted with the east wind shall be seven years of famine. This is the thing which I have spoken unto Pharaoh: What God is about to do he sheweth unto Pharaoh. Behold, there come seven years of great plenty throughout all the land of Egypt: And there shall arise after them seven years of famine; and all the plenty shall be forgotten in the land of Egypt; and the famine shall consume the land; And the plenty shall not be known in the land by reason of that famine following; for it shall be very grievous. And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass."

Keep 1Cor. 10:11 in mind. It says, "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (lit., ages) are come."

Unto Joseph and his Gentile wife Asenath were born Mannasseh and Ephraim "before the years of famine came," just as the Bride of Christ will be born into a new world at the Pre-Trib Rapture before the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 begins.

Gen. 41:52-56 says, "the name of the second called he Ephraim: For God hath caused me to be fruitful in the land of my affliction. And the seven years of plenteousness, that was in the land of Egypt, were ended. And the seven years of dearth began to come, according as Joseph had said: and the dearth was in all lands; but in all the land of Egypt there was bread. And when all the land of Egypt was famished, the people cried to Pharaoh for bread: and Pharaoh said unto all the Egyptians, Go unto Joseph; what he saith to you, do. And the famine was over all the face of the earth: And Joseph opened all the storehouses, and sold unto the Egyptians; and the famine waxed sore in the land of Egypt."

Gen. 45:6 gives us some valuable information about Jacob/Israel and his household being moved to Egypt in the land of Goshen (meaning approaching, drawing near). Think of the Rapture drawing near. Verse 6 says, "For these TWO YEARS hath the famine been in the land: and YET THERE ARE FIVE YEARS, in the which there shall neither be earing nor harvest." This foreshadowed the Rapture. It was a type of the Rapture.

In the modern parallel, I think the 7 good years started when the Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993. The Accords were ratified 3 days later in Israel on Tishri 1, 5754. The good years would be (1) 1994, (2) 1995, (3) 1996, (4) 1997, (5) 1998, (6) 1999, and (7) 2000.

The Intifada started just 2 days before Tishri 1, 5761 (Sept. 30, 2000), marking the transition to the 7 bad years, which would be (1) 2001, (2) 2002, (3) 2003, (4) 2004, (5) 2005, (6) 2006, and (7) 2007.

Tishri 1, 5768 will be Sept. 13, 2007, which will be exactly 14 years after the Oslo Accords were ratified in Israel on Tishri 1, 5764 (Sept. 13, 1993).

Jacob (supplanter) renamed Israel (a prince with God--remember that we too will get a 'new name,' Rev. 2:17) was taken to a different land in wagons furnished by Joseph (meaning increase, addition), who also sent gifts to Jacob/Israel. He was told to leave his belongings behind ("regard not your stuff," Gen. 45:20), but to bring his whole family. His sons are the 12 patriarchs of Israel. They will be 12 of the elders on their thrones right after the Rapture (Rev. 4:1-4). The other 12 will be the 12 apostles. Jacob and his family were to be given the best of the land when they arrived at their destination. This is a pretty good type of the Rapture.

The number 7, meaning completion, ties in too. Including Joseph, there were 70 that went down to Egypt. Ex. 1:5 says, "all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already."

The actual resurrection of Jacob will be at the Pre-Trib Rapture. This too was played out in type. Gen. 45:26-28 says, "told him (Jacob), saying, Joseph is yet alive, and he is governor over all the land of Egypt. And Jacob's heart fainted, for he believed them not. And they told him all the words of Joseph, which he had said unto them: and when he saw the wagons which Joseph had sent to carry him, the spirit of Jacob their father revived: And Israel said, It is enough; Joseph (increase, addition) my son is yet alive: I will go and see him."

The parallel in our days. TWO YEARS AFTER THE 7 BAD YEARS STARTED IS 2002. The transition to the 7 bad years was Tishri 1, 5761 (Sept. 30, 2000).

The 1st bad year would run from Tishri 1, 5761 (Sept. 30, 2000) to Tishri 1, 5762 (Sept. 18, 2001).

The 2nd bad year would run from Tishri 1, 5762 (Sept. 18, 2001) to Tishri 1, 5763 (Sept. 7, 2002).

I expect the Pre-Trib Rapture to take place between now and Sept. 7, 2002, maybe on Av 10 (July 19). That was the date when both temples were burned. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit. As the previous temples went up in smoke, we may go up in clouds.

It was also the time when Joshua (Jesus' name from the Hebrew, meaning THE LORD, THE SAVIOUR) and Caleb (beloved hunting dog) brought one cluster of grapes to Moses (meaning taken out of the water) (Nu. 13:23). Each Rapture seems to be symbolized by a cluster of grapes in Song of Sol. 7:6,7. It says, "How fair and how pleasant art thou, O love, for delights! This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes."

The Rapture is as the days of Noah (rest) (Mt. 24:37). Maybe the 40 days the spies spent in the promised land and the 40 days and 40 nights that it rained to raise up the Ark (type of Christ the Saviour) apply in our days. Forty days after Sivan 29 (June 9), the time of the firstripe grapes, when the spies went into the promised land, is Av 10, 5762 (July 19, 2002).

There is a chance that during these 40 days (June 9 to July 17), the dead in Christ (including Jacob and his 12 sons) will get their resurrection bodies. Joshua/Jesus (THE LORD, THE SAVIOUR) may come to Earth at the same time that Joshua went into the promised land at the time of the firstripe grapes. In Nu. 13:20-25, Moses told them to see "what the land is, whether it be fat or lean, whether there be wood therein, or not. And be ye of good courage, and BRING OF THE FRUIT OF THE LAND. Now the time was the time of the firstripe grapes. So they went up, and searched the land from the wilderness of Zin unto Rehob, as men come to Hamath. And THEY ASCENDED by the south, and came unto Hebron; where Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak, were. (Now Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt)."

Why do we need to know that Hebron (alliance, friendship; place they ascended to) was built 7 years before Zoan (motion, low region)? I take it that the 1st Rapture is before the 7-year Tribulation. Only later are we told that the Great Tribulation is shortened (Mt. 24:21,22). In Dan. 9, it is 7 years.

I hope the Pre-Trib Rapture will take place on Av 10, 5762 (July 19, 2002). Jesus ascended on the 40th day after he was resurrected.

> > , What is the significance of Sept. 13th, 2007?, (since it couldn't possibly be the end of this age because the Tribulation is 7 years long, which is what is going to end with CHRIST coming at the end of the age to fight The Battle of Armageddon) other than marking the end of the 40 year generation?

I think this age will end when the 6th seal is broken on the Eve of the Feast of Trumpets, Elul 29, 5767 (Rev. 6:12f). The Day of God that begins the millennial Day of the Lord will be when the 7th seal is broken the next day (Tishri 1, 5768/Sept. 13, 2007) (Rev. 8:1f). Remember that Mt. 24:21,22 tells us that the Great Tribulation will be shortened for the elect's sake.

These 2 scriptures help us understand what will happen on the Day of God, when the 2nd Rapture (Rev. 7:9,14) and the following asteroid impacts (Rev. 8:8,10) take place. Rev 16:14 says, "the spirits of devils, working miracles, ...go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle (Gog's army, Eze. 38) of that great DAY OF GOD Almighty." 2Pe 3:12 says, "Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the DAY OF GOD, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?" Because Gog's army attacks Israel that day, the Sword of the Lord (the binary asteroid, the curse of Zech. 5:1-4) will impact Earth. God will fight for Israel on that day. The asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will strike the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5) on the first day of the Jewish Civil Year, Tishri 1.

This is 7 months before the Second Advent of Christ (Eze. 39:12,13) on the following Nisan 1 (Eze. 29:17,21; Hos. 6:3), the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year.

Armageddon can't take place until after Christ returns.

> > Israel Could Sept. 13, 2007 be mid-point of the tribulation? meaning the Tribulation would begin around March 2003 which would be around "The Passover". Could that be a possible scenario?

I don't see how it could.

> > the voice I heard was so clear it said "YOU WILL BE THE GENERATION THAT SEE ME RETURN"

I would take it as true. When were you born? I have a friend that was walking on the sidewalk by the boundary of her yard. She heard a voice say that she would never die. I think that is true. An e-mail friend also heard something similar, that she would never die. My son heard a voice when he was walking down his hall. He can't remember all of it, there was too much, but that we should love one another, love everyone, stuck in his brain. He also had a dream that he, Ed and I were all standing in the front yard when we were caught up in the Rapture. He said he was going up fast, but felt no rush of air or coldness. Agape

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GRANDMA STARS - "Moabite Stone and the Name Yahweh"
http://www.fivedoves.com/latterdayletters/showletter.php?id=907
One of the most extraordinary ancient documents ever found has the earliest mention of the Name Yahweh outside of the Bible.... http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a019.html
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What does the Moabite Stone reveal about the revolt of Mesha?

...In describing his victories over Israel, Mesha tells of defeating the town of Nebo. Among the spoils he acquired were the "altar-hearths? of Yahweh" (lines 17-18). This is the earliest mention of Yahweh, God of the Israelites, outside the Bible....

And Chemosh said to me: "Go! Take Nebo against Israel." And I went by night and fought against it from break of dawn till noon. And I took it and slew all: 7,000 men, boys, women, girls, and pregnant women, because I had devoted it to Ashtar-Chemosh. And I took thence the altar-hearths of YHWH and I dragged them before Chemosh (lines 14-18)....

The House of David and Southern Moab

"And the house [of Da]vid dwelt in Horanaim" (line 31)

Line 31 is perhaps the most significant line in the entire inscription. In 1993 a stela was discovered at Tel Dan in northern Israel mentioning the "House of David" (Bible and Spade, Autumn 1993: 119-121). This mid-ninth century BC inscription provided the first mention of David in a contemporary text outside the Bible. The find is especially significant since in recent years several scholars have questioned the existence of David. At about the same time the Dan stela was found, French scholar Andre Lemaire was working on the Mesha Inscription and determined that the same phrase appeared there in line 31 (Bible and Spade, Summer 1995: 91-92). Lemaire was able to identify a previously indistinguishable letter as a "d" in the phrase "House of David." This phrase is used a number of times in the Old Testament for the Davidic dynasty....

And the house [of Da]vid dwelt in Horanaim [...] and Chemosh said to me: "Go down! Fight against Horanaim." And I went down, and [I fought against the town, and I took it; and] Chemosh [resto]red it in my days (lines 31-33).

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The U.S. State Department's latest draft for a regional peace initiative includes the establishment of a Palestinian state along the June 4, 1967, lines, with some minor border corrections.

My comment

This must come under the "terrible" category. 2Sa 7:23 asks, "what one (echad, united) nation (United States) in the earth is like thy people, even like Israel, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself, and to make him a name, and to do for you great things and terrible, for thy land, before thy people, which thou redeemedst to thee from Egypt, from the nations and their gods?"

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FW: The Sign of His coming!
this is just another testimony of others who are seeing the ‘sign of His coming’ in the stars.
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TESHUVA REPORTS - You decide! - Shalom-Baruch HaShem!
If you have an opportunity tonight or some night this week, look into the northwestern sky. There you will see what I believe is a testimony of the times in which we live. In bereshith [genesis 1:14] it is written that HaShem has placed the stars and planets in the night sky for the purpose of otim[signs]. Yeshua himself in Mattiyahu[Matthew 24:30] said that there would be "THE otim or sign of his coming" in the heavens before he returned. If we have eyes to see and ears to hear, we can see the sign of his coming.

Between the period between 7 and 6 b.c.e., there was this same otim or sign which appeared in the eastern night sky. Seeing this sign the maggi followed its message. When they reached Israel, they asked, "where is he who is born KING of Israel [Jews] for we have seen his sign in the heavens and have come to worship him?[Matthew 2:2]"

What was this sign? You can see it yourself 2000 years later as it appears for the second time. What did they see? They saw the planet Jupiter, regarded as the otim or sign of kings by the maggi. They saw it align itself with Saturn, regarded as the otim or sign of the nation of Israel [as attested by Amos the prophet]. These two brillant lights in the night sky moved toward conjunction in the constellation of Pisces in 7-6 b.c.e. The Hebrew name for this constellation is Dagim which means a "multitude of fish." It gets better! ARE YOU READY FOR THIS? In Genesis 48:26, Jacob blesses Ephraim and Mannessah and says, "let them grow as the DAGIM or multitudes of fish in the earth." Is it no wonder that the sign of the coming of Messiah in 7-6 b.c.e. clearly revealed the birth of A KING IN ISRAEL WHO WOULD COME FOR THE MULTITUDES OF EPHRAIM. As he testified himself, "I have come only for the lost sheep [Ephraim] of the house of Israel."

And so today, nearly two thousand years later, this same sign appears in the northwestern sky. Jupiter the sign of kings and Saturn, the sign of Israel. But today it appears not in the constellation of pisces, BUT IN TAURUS. In this constellation there is a picture of a bull rushing forward with mighty energy and fierce wrath, his horns set so as to push his enemies and pierce them through and destroy them. It is a picture of judgment. The hebrew name is SHUR which means one who comes to rule. This constellation is composed of 141 stars which all have significant messianic meanings. I will give you only a few to ponder. The brightest star is AlDebaran which means "the one who leads or rules." The star El Nath means "the one who was slain" The cluster of stars known as the Pleiades is known in Hebrew as Succotim, which means "one who tabernacles with men" I could tell you more but I think you get the picture.

Today, there is a sign in the northwestern sky, which testifies that A KING IS COMING TO ISRAEL WHO WILL RULE AND JUDGE THE EARTH. Are we ready for His coming? It may be closer than we can imagine. If you have time some night this week, look up to the northwestern night sky. There you will see a sign. What does it say to you? Shmuel ben Yokkanan

My reply

I'm looking in the sky too. Luke 21:25 says, "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea (people and nations, Rev. 17:15) and the waves roaring." Verse 28 says, "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." This is the Pre-Trib Rapture.

However, I think Rev. 6:14f shows us that the Sign of the Son of Man is when the heavens are rolled aside like a scroll and people look up and see Christ sitting on his throne. This is just before the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Agape

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