The last time that the President attempted to make a declaration like this, 2 planes flew into the WTC on 9/11!!! I would look for a major happening when the President attempts this one.
U.S. in FINAL TALKS on Mideast Vision, By Jonathan Wright
6-14-02 - WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration held FINAL CONSULTATIONS with Middle East leaders on Friday as President Bush...prepared a peace initiative based on a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict....
In parallel, Middle East specialists from the "quartet" -- the United States, Russia, the EUROPEAN UNION...and the UNITED NATIONS...met at the State Department to work on their proposal for a Middle East peace conference this summer. (emphasis mine)
...In revelation Chapter 4 does not it start off with Christ walking among the candle sticks. This is a menorah! If the 21-fragments represent the three sets of 7 judgments that will be poured out in the tribulation then the anniversary of the impacts would have another meaning if the trib. starts the same time as the rapture. Do you see where I am coming from here. We go to Heaven on the 19th which is the center or "4th day" and see our LORD walking among the menorah! The center of the 7-day warning we had back in I believe it was 1995? Noah had his 7 days just before the flood but maybe the Lord told us back in 1995 (I think this was the year) when the comets hit the King planet, that we should be looking at this 7 day period in July. We can only" now" know the year. It has also been 7 years non-inclusively since that time. Food for thought.
I think you are on to something. The year was 1994, and July 16 was Tisha b' Av (9th of Av), which will be July 18 in 2002. This sure seems like a definite message to Earth. Thanks for pointing out that July 19 was the center. That could be very significant for Earth is center too.
(1) 16, (2) 17, (3) 18, (4) 19, (5) 20, (6) 21 (7) 22
Four is the number that represented Earth in the candlestick. Josephus (Ant. III. VI. 7) indicated that its lamps represented:
(1) Sun, (2) Mercury, (3) Venus, (4) Earth, (5) Mars, (6) Jupiter, (7) Saturn
I realized that the impacts on Jupiter demonstrated to us what Rev. 8:8,10 represents--2 asteroid pieces that will impact Earth. They also help us see that the curse that is twice as long as wide in Zech. 5:1-4 is a binary asteroid that will break apart like the comet did. Until lately, I did not see the significance of the number "19," and until I got your e-mail, I hadn't realized that (4) and 19 were central in that example.
I hope that we will travel from planet number 4 to planet number 7 on July 19, which will be Av 10 in 2002.
> > In revelation Chapter 4 does not it start off with Christ walking among the candle sticks
Rev. 1:10-18 says, "I (John) was (lit., became) in the Spirit (this is a preview of the Rapture) on the Lord's day (one of the Days of the Son of Man, Lu. 17:22), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first (LORD of the Old Testament) and the last (Lord of the New Testament)...And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; And in the MIDST OF THE SEVEN CANDLESTICKS ONE LIKE UNTO THE SON OF MAN (Christ), clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden (symbol of Deity) girdle (symbol of royalty). His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars (the star achievers he has just snatched up): and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword (to cut off the foolish Laodicean virgins): and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead (to suggest his resurrection). And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first (YHVH king of Israel) and the last (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer, Isa. 44:6): I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."
> > we don't really know what day Noah entered the Ark
After spending 7 days (Gen. 7:4) loading supplies and then loading the animals, he and his family entered for the last time on Cheshvan 17. The Lord shut him in, and it began to rain that same day. Gen. 7:11-13 says, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. In the selfsame day (Cheshvan 17) entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark." in Gen 7:1 "the LORD said unto Noah, COME thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen RIGHTEOUS before me in THIS GENERATION" (as in the parable of the fig tree, Mt. 24:32-34).
Soon, the wise virgins that are accounted worthy of this generation will hear the first trump and obey the Lord's words--"Come up hither." Agape
See this URL for these and other neat pictures of Petra.
In an email yesterday, Rev. Alvin C. Folks advised me of the following and gave me permission to share it:
"A few months back I whispered a prayer to God--- when are you going to send Jesus back, and a soft answer came -- 'now.' I asked why did you say 'now' and not 'soon'? The soft answer was -- 'soon' is something off in a distance -- 'now' is something that is about to happen.'"
Let us hope for "that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13, KJV). Jim
Plugging in Sept 13, 2007 and backing up 2550 days, we are almost 2 years past that date in Oct, 2000. Even using spring, 2008, we are less than 6 years from that date!
The only thing that makes sense to me, if Sept 2007 is the date, is the 1260 and 1290 days run concurrently, and we are in the first half of the trib now. 1260 days before Sept 13, 2007 is April 1, 2004. If you think the trib is 7 years long, suppose it could be one of those other years you calculated a while back, between now and 2030. Hard to believe the middle east and southeast asia will last much longer without blowing. What do you think?
Later: a different way of figuring the rapture
Why not take Sept 12, 2007 and subtract 1260 days? You know the trib must be that long at least and must start by then if not before. The rapture would have to be before that point.
I too figured that April 1, 2004 is 1260 days before Sept. 13, 2007. If we knew the exact number of days of the shortened Great Tribulation, we could determine the date of the beginning of the Tribulation. The Rapture would either be on that day or before it. There must be some way to figure it out. In Mark 13:23, Jesus said, "take ye heed: behold, I HAVE FORETOLD YOU ALL THINGS."
The 1260, 1290, and 1335 years of Dan. 12 do run concurrently, from Mid-Trib. However, Daniel 12 doesn't tell us how much this time is shortened. Since the second 1260 days of the Tribulation are to be shortened, each of the 3 sums of years would be shortened by the same amount.
The main framework seems to be the 7 good and 7 bad years--Tishri 1, 5754 (Sept. 13, 1993), when the Oslo Accords were ratified in Israel, to Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007), the Day of God that begins the millennial Day of the Lord.
2007 is the 40th year since Israel regained the temple mount and the rest of Jerusalem in the Six-Day War of 1967. The generation born in 1967 will be the ones to see all the prophesied things come to pass on the Day of God that begins the Millennium.
The 7 good years would have ended as the 1st bad year started Tishri 1, 5761 (Sept. 30, 2000). The 2nd Intifada started 2 days before that.
Jacob didn't go down to Egypt because of the famine for the first 2 of the bad years. Gen. 45:6,7 says, "For these TWO YEARS hath the famine been in the land: and YET THERE ARE FIVE YEARS. And God sent me before you to preserve you a posterity in the earth, and to save your lives by a great (gadowl, exceedingly, high) deliverance (pleytah, ESCAPE)."
The 2nd bad year would start Tishri 1, 5762 (Sept. 18, 2001). It would end Tishri 1, 5763 (Sept. 7, 2002). We are not told exactly when the 1st seal is to be broken, but it has to be after the 1st Rapture, because Jesus is given the 7-sealed Title Deed of the Earth "hereafter" the Rapture (Rev. 4:1; 5:7).
Rev. 3:10 says that we are to be kept "ek," out of, the time of trial that will come upon the whole world after the Rapture. The "apostasia," departure, i.e., the Rapture, must take place before the man of sin (the False Prophet) is revealed. He will be revealed when he confirms, strengthens, the covenant with many (maybe the UN) (Dan. 9:27).
I can't spot a loophole that would allow the Tribulation to start before the Pre-Trib Rapture takes place.
Let's assume that the 5 years of famine remaining after Jacob was transported to Joseph have a parallel in our days, because things happened to them for examples to us upon whom the ends of the ages has come (I Cor. 10:11). First, let's also assume that these 5 years have 360 days each, or 1800 days total. 1800 days before Sept. 13, 2007 is Oct. 9, 2002. If these 5 years have 365 days each, 1825 days before Sept. 13, 2007 is Sept. 14, 2002. That gets us in the ballpark.
What seems most likely is that these 5 years of famine yet to come after the Rapture will run from Tishri 1, 5763 (Sept. 7, 2002) to Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007). That could indicate that the Rapture would take place on the Feast of Trumpets (Tishri 1, 5763) Sept. 7, 2002, just as the Pre-Wrath Rapture will take place on the Feast of Trumpets (Tishri 1, 5768) Sept. 13, 2007. Again, that gets us in the ballpark.
To hone it down further, we can assume that since both temples went up in smoke on Av 10, the temple of the Holy Spirit might go up in clouds on Av 10, 5752 (July 19, 2002). That is the 40th day after Moses sent the spies into the land. Joshua (the Lord, the Saviour) returned on Av 10, bringing the first cluster of grapes to the place where the Tabernacle of God was pitched. The two clusters of grapes mentioned in Song of Solomon 7:7 seem to represent the two groups of raptured people.
Jesus said that he is the vine and we are the branches. One branch bearing fruit was brought back by Joshua/Jesus to the Lord's Tabernacle (dwelling place) on Av 10, which is July 19 in 2002.
Isa 18:3-6 seems to shout, "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign (flag) on the mountains (kingdoms); and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye. For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider (nabat, see, look at with pleasure) in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. For afore the harvest (the vintage is in Elul and Tishri, the Jewish month of Av precedes Elul), when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower, he shall both cut off the sprigs (with fruit) with pruning hooks, and TAKE AWAY (cuwr, depart, i.e., Rapture of the wise virgins) and cut down the branches (not showing fruit). They (i.e., the foolish virgins) shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains (nations), and to the beasts of the earth (The Beast and False Prophet of Rev. 13): and the fowls shall SUMMER upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them." To me, this seems to place the Rapture this summer. Agape
Do you think Luke 21:36 means that not all believers will go in The Rapture? That there will be some who are saved, but not living for Christ ~ & will be left behind?
Some people mistakenly think that we should not attempt to discern the date of the Rapture. However, if we don't watch and study Scripture, that day can come upon us unaware.
Luke 21:34-36 says, "take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, AND SO THAT DAY COME UPON YOU UNAWARES. For as a snare (trap) shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. WATCH YE THEREFORE, AND PRAY ALWAYS, THAT YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS THAT SHALL COME TO PASS, and to stand before the Son of man."
Rev. 3:3 says, "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent (i.e., confess our sins as in I John 1:9). If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." We have very little chance to figure out the hour if we don't "hold fast," "repent," and "watch."
The Laodiceans are believers, because Jesus called them the church, ekklesia, called out ones. Yet, they are so lukewarm that Jesus will spew (emesai, vomit) them out of his mouth. They have to be in Christ to be spit out of his mouth. Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (the unwise one) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the unbelievers." Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
The Bride wears white. In the parable of the wedding feast in Mt. 22, the man without a wedding garment was cast outside the doors, where there was weeping and gnashing of teeth, for many are chosen, but few are called. Rev. 17:14 says that those with Christ right after the Rapture are "called, and chosen, and faithful." That is what we should aim for. Agape
and I believe we are so close to the ending of things. Yeah the voice I heard was very clear, and I now have dreams of being in Jerusalem, and Israel, although I have never been there I know that is where I am in my dreams. Do you think the Tribulation will start immediately following the Rapture, or a couple of years away? I think Immediately. I look forward to hearing from you soon.
One reason for thinking there was a space was Rev. 17. The time is when the Rapture takes place. In v. 14, "they that ARE with him (Christ) are called, and chosen, and faithful." Verse 12 says, "the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which HAVE RECEIVED NO KINGDOM AS YET; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast." We know that all 10 are crowned as the Tribulation begins (Rev. 13:1). However, they could be kings of their own countries and be elected to a position in the UN and yet not have received dominion over the 10 regions this world has been divided into.
Before the expected time for building the temple passed, I thought Rev. 11:1,2 was talking about the literal temple on Earth. Now, I see that it is talking about believers as the temple of the Holy Spirit. "RISE" is the Rapture of the Bride group (the wise virgins), for they are the only ones that can be measured. The 144,000 are part of the Bride even though caught up in the 2nd Rapture. The rest of the Tribulation saints can't be numbered (Rev. 7:9).
John is told to measure those in the temple. At the same time, he is told not to measure the court (i.e., the foolish virgins that got left behind at the 1st Rapture).
Rev. 11:2,3 says, "But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot FORTY AND TWO MONTHS. And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND THREESCORE DAYS, clothed in sackcloth." The 42 months is the same block of time as the 1260 days.
Here, it seems that the Rapture and the beginning of the 1260 days that the 2 witnesses will prophesy are at the same time. It seems that Christ will bring Moses and Elijah with him and leave them on Earth as he takes the main Bride group to Heaven.
The Beast is given power to "CONTINUE FORTY AND TWO MONTHS." I think he is the Pope who is already in office when the Rapture takes place. Then he will rule the world during the same 42 months (Rev. 13:5) we read about in Rev. 11:2.
This Pope is the man of the cloth (toxon, translated bow, but meaning simple fabric, i.e., a religious leader) that will ride in on a white horse as a prince of peace in Rev. 6:2. Mat 7:15 says, "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."
The 2 witnesses will be killed when the False Prophet comes to full power after the 1260 days end. Then they will be caught up to Heaven 3.5 days later.
I see no room there for much time between the Rapture and the reign of the Beast. Agape
Since there are 7 months between Tishri 1 and the following Nisan 1 (Eze. 39:12,13, I think the Jewish Year that starts on the Day of God that begins the Millennium has to be a Leap Year. 5771 (2010/2011) is a Leap Year, but that is pretty far off. Not taking into consideration the shortening of the Great Tribulation, 5771 - 7 = 5764. Tishri 1, 5764 is our Sept. 27, 2003. Also, 2007 is one 40-year generation from when Israel regained the temple area in the Six-Day War. It is also 14 years (5 good, 5 bad) from when the Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993.
Let's see what happens July 19, 2002, first. Agape
Rev 13:11 says, "I beheld ANOTHER (ANOTHER little horn that plucks up 3, Dan. 7:5) beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns (2 comings to power) like a lamb (as Christ has 2 comings), and he spake as a dragon (Satan, because he is indwelt by Satan)." Dan. 7:24: "and ANOTHER shall rise after them; and HE SHALL BE DIVERSE FROM THE FIRST (he isn't the same man as the Beast), AND HE SHALL SUBDUE THREE KINGS."
Satan's 2 comings are in Judas Iscariot and in the False Prophet. These 2 are the only ones called sons of perdition in the Bible.
Judas Iscariot: John 17:12: "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but THE SON OF PERDITION; that the scripture might be fulfilled." Luke 22:3: "Then ENTERED SATAN INTO JUDAS surnamed Iscariot."
False Prophet: 2Th 2:3: "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, THE SON OF PERDITION." Agape
1. you mentioned re June 9th (Sivan 29) when the spies entered the land....counting from June 9th to June 20th is 12 days; June 20/21 is the first day of summer; not sure if 12 has any bearing;
2. I also looked up the gestation time for the birth of a baby and it shows 283 days; from Sept 11-2001 to June 20th is 283 days, inclusive reckoning. Just some thoughts. In His love
The spies entered the land at the time of the firstripe grapes, Sivan 29 (June 9, 2002). They came back with one cluster of grapes 40 days later. They brought the grapes to where the Lord's Tabernacle (dwelling place) was. Today, it's in heaven.
Jesus went to the Father and returned on Resurrection Day. He ascended to the Father 40 days later. We find the 40 days repeating, 40 in Noah's day, 40 in the spies' day, 40 in Jesus' day. Forty means testing and probation. Jesus was tested 40 days in the wilderness. After the 40 days, he went to Galilee (circuit, circle, revolution of the wheel, i.e., a symbol of the orbiting and rotating heavenly planet that looks like a disk in the sky).
The Ark raised up after 40 days. Jesus went to Galilee after 40 days. He ascended after 40 days. The spies returned after 40 days. Smoke from the burning temples went up on Av 10, 40 days after Sivan 29. Maybe our time of testing and probation will end, and we'll go up in clouds after a similar 40-day period--July 19, 2002. Agape
Could it be that on Pentecost the 144,000 will be filled with the Spirit of God to carry out there missions for the Lord during the tribulation, and the people who rose from the graves rep. the dead in Christ when he comes whose bodies will come out of the graves, then his going to the father on the third day is the first rapture and the going to heaven 40 days later is the trib saints rapture? Just a thought. What do you think? IM praying it will be sooner. Love in Jesus
Jesus ascended on the 40th day after the resurrection. Maybe the 1st Rapture could be after the 40 days the spies entered the land, and the 2nd Rapture after the 40 years that follow the Six-Day War.
Just before Jacob went to Egypt, Joseph called his brothers spies too (Gen. 42:14,16,30,34). That reminds us of the 12 that went into Canaan to spy out the land.
I think the 144,000 will be sealed right before they are caught up in the 2nd Rapture, not at the beginning of the Tribulation. Eze 9:4-6 says, "the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a MARK upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. And to the others he said in mine hearing, GO YE AFTER HIM THROUGH THE CITY, AND SMITE: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house." Agape
The burning of the weapons of war can only take place after war is done away with for the Millennium. Don't let the 7 years mislead you. Eze. 38:18-20 shows us that the attack is on the Day of God's Wrath. It brings on the Sword of the Lord, the asteroid impacts. The mountain burning with fire (Rev. 8:8) hits the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5). Not only do the fish shake, but all the men in the world shake. Every wall falls worldwide. The other asteroid piece (Rev. 8:10) destroys Babylon. All the cities of the nations are destroyed (Rev. 16:18).
> > *The A.C. which is the Devil will appear AFTER the Gog & Magog war. The Dragon (A.C.), the beast (?), & false prophet (?) will be given ONLY 42 months to carry out their desires.
There are 2 men that rule during the Tribulation. The Beast rules during the 1st 1260 days. The Satan-possessed False Prophet rules during the Great Tribulation, the latter half of the Tribulation that gets shortened for the elect's sake (Mt. 24:21,22).
> > TWO witnesses will then ascend up to heaven in a cloud while their enemies will be looking at them. Rev. 11:7-12.
> > *Then will BEGIN the remaining 31/2 years when the SEALS, TRUMPETS, & VIALS will be RELEASED on the earth.
The seals begin to be broken as the Tribulation begins. When the 7th seal is broken, the Trumpet Judgments bring destruction on Earth, including the 2 asteroid impacts (Rev. 8:8,10). Agape
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