Pro and Con 916

Posted 6-17-02

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Re: The Pope
I just started reading and studying your site. You have a wonderful insight and spirit fill knowledge. Thank you for answering my questions!

You stated that the Pope is the Beast;
"The Beast is given power to "CONTINUE FORTY AND TWO MONTHS." I think he is the Pope who is already in office when the Rapture takes place. Then he will rule the world during the same 42 months (Rev. 13:5) we read about in Rev. 11:2."

I can't see how the current Pope could be the Beast, He is in ill health and could not fill the post!

Do you believe that there will be a Pope change in the next month, before Av. 10? Or could it be on Av. 10 to bring in the seven year treaty? God Bless

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

I don't know if the Tribulation Pope will turn out to be the Pope that is in office today or not. However, if it is him, his poor health could have something to do with the termination of his reign after 42 months (Rev. 13:5). It could be why the Beast is referred to as the ancient and honourable.

Isa 9:15 says, "The ancient and honourable, he is the head (6th head of the great red dragon); and the prophet that teacheth lies (7th head), he is the tail" (because he is Satan-possessed, the tail of the great red dragon is in him).

Rev. 17 is written as if the Rapture has just taken place. V. 14 says, "they that ARE with him (Christ) are called, and chosen, and faithful."

V. 10 says, "there are seven kings: five are fallen (Babel I, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece and Imperial Rome), and ONE IS (Ecclesiastic Rome, the Beast of Rev. 13:2-10, first ruler of Babylon III), and THE OTHER (the False Prophet, the 7th head, second ruler Babylon III) is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space" (the shortened Great Tribulation).

I think the ONE in office when the Rapture takes place will be the Tribulation Pope who is the Beast of Rev. 13:2-10. Even though he might be weak, he will be given power by Satan.

Concerning the beast out of the sea, nations (Rev. 17:15), as this Roman Pope is Polish), Rev. 3-6 says, "I saw one of his heads (the 6th) as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed (this Pope was shot and recovered): and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon (Satan, the great red dragon that energizes the beast out of the nations) which GAVE POWER UNTO THE BEAST: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and POWER WAS GIVEN UNTO HIM TO CONTINUE FORTY AND TWO MONTHS. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle (dwelling place), and them that dwell in heaven" (those caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture).

Does this Pope have "the name of blasphemy" (Rev. 13:1)? Since I think the name of blasphemy that is upon all the heads of the great red dragon is Pontifex Maximus, I think all Popes have "the name of blasphemy." The first Pontifex Maximus was Nimrod at the Tower of Babel. He was high priest over the Mystery Religion of Babylon. Every other ruler symbolized by the heads of the great red dragon carried the title, Pontifex Maximus. The 6th head will bear this name of blasphemy. Christ is our High Priest, not the Pope. The 7th head will exercise "all the power of the first beast," therefore he too will be the Pontifex Maximus of the Mystery Religion of Babylon (Rev. 17:5). Agape

My reply to a letter on Five Doves site

> > In Genesis Seven, Noah is told to go into the ark seven days before the flood begins. This can be seen as seven prophetic years before God’s wrath is poured out.

Noah went in and out of the Ark as he built it. Then God told him that the rain would come in 7 days. Noah and his family go into the Ark on Cheshvan 17. The rain starts that same day.

Gen 7:11-14 says, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark; They, and every beast after his kind."

> > It is at this time that a huge burning mountain is thrown into the sea. Prophetically, the huge mountain is an image of a great empire. It has been ambushed and is destroyed in flames on a scale much greater than 9-11. I have concluded that it is in this context that the rapture occurs.

I think the great mountain burning with fire is a piece of a binary asteroid that is twice as long as it is wide (Zech. 5:1-4). The other piece is the "aster" that impacts Earth in Rev. 8:10. It too comes in burning.

The 2nd Rapture comes that day, but before noon when the mountain burning with fire hits the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:1-5).

The 1st Rapture is before the Tribulation starts. After the 2nd Rapture, all Israel will be saved (Isa. 66:8). They will live on into the Millennium.


There are ranks in the First Resurrection. I Cor. 15:22,23 says, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order (tagmati, rank): Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."

> > More sticky theologically, it adds the principle of sanctification by “works” to the rapture.

Don't fail to take into consideration the fact that the foolish virgins had to BUY oil. They had to DO something. Oil represents the Holy Spirit. The way we acquire more of the Holy Spirit is to use I John 1.9--confess all sins committed after accepting Christ so God can cleanse us of all unrighteousness. Agape

Incoming e-mail - Cincinnati Post 6-14-2
US Calls In Experts To Draft An Asteroid Defense Plan
THE FLORIDA EVERGLADES - The U.S. federal government is summoning the world's top scientists to an urgent conference this summer ways to combat an asteroid attack...

"We've had a couple of close shaves during the past few months," says Brian G. Marsden, with the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Massachusetts. One asteroid caused public jitters when discovered March 12. Named 2002 EM7, it came from the direction of the sun, an astronomical blind spot...

Astronomers didn't detect 2002 EM7 until four days after it came within 288,000 miles (460,000 kilometers) of Earth...The asteroid was about 200 feet (60 meters) in diameter...

Another scare occurred in January, when a 1,000-foot-diameter (300-meter) asteroid came within 375,000 miles (600,000 kilometers) of Earth. Astronomers detected the mountain-sized rock only a few weeks earlier....

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I was thinking. With all the figuring you do. Have you counted the fact about the 24 hours in Joshua and the time in the Hezekiah story when the sundial turned back?...

I was reading no 913 and I thought I would ask you. You are truly one blessing of a lady to me. I pray you and Ed are well. Looking to meet ya in the air. much love

My reply

Thanks for your kind words and prayers in our behalf. Ed is still able to get out of his recliner and the car. For that we thank the Lord. We are as well as we can be now. My feet and lower legs feel like the muscles that cramped so many years have now turned to leather, but that doesn't stop me from doing what I want to. I have very few cramps now, thanks to the Lord and the people that helped me find the medicines that would stop it. I don't even need to take pain pills unless it is a rare weather-related headache.

> > Have you counted the fact about the 24 hours in Joshua and the time in the Hezekiah story when the sundial turned back?

Not in connection with the Rapture. I think Joshua/Jesus' Long Day will be the Day of God's Wrath, when the asteroid impacts turn the world upside down. Joshua means a saviour, a deliverer. Hezekiah means strength of the Lord. Both events seem to foreshadow the Day of God that starts the millennial Day of the Lord. In both Joshua's day and Hezekiah's, Israel was fighting a battle. The Lord stepped in to help Israel both times.

In Joshua 10:14, "the LORD fought for Israel." Verse 11 tells us how. "the LORD cast down great stones from heaven." This foreshadowed the day the 2 asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 hit Earth to stop Gog's army.

In Isa. 38:6, Isaiah was sent to tell Hezekiah that he would live, and that the Lord would "defend this city." Isa. 37:36,37 tells us that 185,000 Assyrians died in one night, "So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed."

If our calendar is off because of these two events, it would only be by one day. I can handle that. If we can get that close to the time, we are lucky. Agape

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Re: I don't agree with you
I just want you to know that the Bible says that anyone who attempts to predict the rapture is a man of sin. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 specifically says just that. "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come."

If I have interpreted your website wrong by all means let me know. I do know, however, that only that knows the coming of the Lord is Jesus.

I will be emailing you again with the rest of the verses that I know proving you wrong.

My reply

> > I don't agree with you

That is ok. We don't have to agree. We can agree to disagree agreeably if need be. Each Christian should "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (2Ti 2:15).

> > I just want you to know that the Bible says that anyone who attempts to predict the rapture is a man of sin.

Well, that let's me out. I don't predict anything and I am not a man. Near the top of my Home Page, I said, "I am not predicting anything, just sharing possibilities. Compare everything with Scripture to see if these things are so."

Christ commanded us to watch, and I am watching. In Rev. 3:3, Jesus said, "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." What can we know if we do watch?

I am a 73-year old woman that has been studying the Bible as hard and deep as possible for more than 40 years. Some time after asking the Lord what he wanted me to do, I saw a rectangle of light on Jer. 50:2 that said to publish and conceal not. I am doing my best to do that.

> > 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 specifically says just that. "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come."

"THE DEPARTURE COMES FIRST." The departure is "OUR GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM" (Christ) at the Pre-Trib Rapture. It preceeds the Tribulation, the revealing of the False Prophet, the rule of the Beast, the rule of the False Prophet, the Pre-Wrath Rapture and the millennial Day of the Lord.

2Th 2:1-3 (World English Bible, WEB) says, "Now, brothers (believers), concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and OUR GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM (the Rapture), we ask you not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the day of Christ (all major MSS have day of the Lord; i.e., the Millennium) had come. Let no one deceive you in any way. For it (the millennial Day of the Lord) will not be, unless THE DEPARTURE COMES FIRST (i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture), and the man of sin is revealed (the False Prophet is revealed when he confirms the covenant with many [Dan. 9:27} as the Tribulation begins), the son of destruction" (i.e., the one that will be Satan possessed after Satan is cast out of Heaven Mid-Trib).

The Greek word translated "departure" is kin to the word for divorce, where one person departs. Both have to do with departing. The former was translated "departure" in early Bibles, such as Tyndale's translation, Cranmer's version, The Great Bible, Breecher's Bible, Beza's translation and the Coverdale Bible.

Our gathering is our departure, our Rapture, when we rise up to meet Christ in the air before the Tribulation begins. Agape

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Re: I don't agree with you
I know all about the rapture. I'm 24 years old and I was raised to be a christian. Your web-site stated that Jesus is coming back on July 19 or 29 of 2002. Rev. 3:3 was the other verse I was going to give to prove my point.

I want you to know that you need to Change your web-site because it is misleading. I was researching everything on the web on the rapture and your icon said something to the effect of that rapture being predicted.Any Christian knows that this is not possible. Even by giving your opinion, you are wrong. That day will never come.

I agree totally with watching and being ready for the rapture. That's what I've been doing. My friend Angie and I are starting our own ministry helping people, but we also realize that we have little time left to do so.

I believe you need to re-word your web-site before you continue to make people beleive that you can predict the coming of the Lord.

My reply

> > I want you to know that you need to Change your web-site because it is misleading. I was researching everything on the web on the rapture and your icon said something to the effect of that rapture being predicted.

The title of my site is "Bible Prophecy Corner." It doesn't say anything about the Rapture being "predicted." The Logo is "Bible Prophecy Corner," because we study Bible prophecy. I am not predicting anything. I share my opinions; that's all. If a search engine has something else, it disagrees with what is on my site. Some may use the word predict loosely.

> > Even by giving your opinion, you are wrong. That day will never come.

I may be wrong, but I am sure looking forward to the Rapture being soon, whenever it is. I hope it will be Av 10, which is July 19 in 2002. That is when the spies brought a branch with one cluster of grapes to where the Tabernacle, the dwelling place of God (type of Heaven) was.

I have the right to give my opinion, just as you have the right to give your opinion. I am following what I think God wants me to do to the very best of my ability, and you must follow what you think God wants you to do to the very best of your ability.

> > I know all about the rapture. I'm 24 years old and I was raised to be a christian.

I DON'T know all about the Rapture, but I am trying my best to find out. I'm 73 years old, and although raised to be a Christian, I prayed and told the Lord that I accepted Jesus Christ as my own personal Saviour. I asked him what he wanted me to do. After he put a rectangle of light on Jer. 50:2's publish and conceal not, I have been studying and writing as hard as I can go since 1960.

For 7 years, I read a stack of books about 18" high every week from the Seminary Collection at BIOLA Library (La Mirada, CA, campus). Frustrated by not being able to find answers to some burning questions I had, I put my hands on my open Bible and said, "Lord, you'll have to show me. I want to know everything you want man to know about the Bible, all the deep things, everything."

From that day to this has been a long learning period. One never knows it all. The sheer amount of information packed in that one small book, layer after layer, is proof that God wrote it. No man could do it. I learn new things all along.

With the Lord's help. I finally was able to figure out what the cherubim and flaming sword were in Gen. 3:24, also what the cherubim in Eze. 1 and 10 stood for. I found out where I think Heaven is located, what the "brightness" in Eze. 1:4 represents, what the "brightness round about" means in Eze. 1:27,28, and what the "rainbow round about the throne" in Rev. 4:3 represents.

I also found out that The Revelation of Jesus Christ is written as if the Rapture is near. It is "at hand" in Rev. 1:3 and 22:10. Jesus signs off at the end with, "Surely I come quickly." He comes quickly at the Rapture (2:5; 3:10,11). The first chapter is a Preview of the Rapture that comes in Rev. 4:1. John is one of the elders immediately seen seated on their thrones, so all the rest of the apostles are resurrected and caught up at the same time.

I also found out that "he apostasia" in II Thess. 2:3 means "the departing," i.e., the Rapture.

> > Your web-site stated that Jesus is coming back on July 19 or 29 of 2002. Rev. 3:3 was the other verse I was going to give to prove my point.

I mentioned July 19. In Rev. 3:3, Jesus said, "If therefore thou shalt NOT watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt NOT know what hour I will come upon thee."

Last time, I asked you, "What can we know if we do watch?" Since you didn't answer that, I'll put it a different way, so it will be clearer. Turned around, it would say that IF THEREFORE THOU SHALL WATCH, I WILL NOT COME ON THEE AS A THIEF, AND THOU SHALT KNOW WHAT HOUR I WILL COME UPON THEE (i.e., upon the church at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture)."

I believe we will know when the time is right. The Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37). Noah knew the year 120 years ahead of time. Gen. 6:3 says, "My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years." Noah knew the exact day 7 days before it started to rain too. Gen. 7:4 says, "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights."

In I Cor. 10:11, we are told that things happened to Israel for "ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (aionos, ages) are come." Jesus told us that the Rapture was as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37). Did he play out a forty-day period as an example for us? He ascended 40 days after he was resurrected. Why? will we also ascend at the end of a 40-day period?

The spies Moses sent into the promised land included Joshua, a type of Christ. Joshua (or Yeshua) is Jesus' name from the Hebrew. Jesus is from the Greek. What are the chances that the Spirit of Christ (Rom 8:9) came to the promised land Sivan 29 (June 9, 2002), when the spies entered the promised land in Moses' day? If so, would the Spirit of Christ spy out the land for 40 days, as the spies did in Moses' day? Would Christ return to his Tabernacle (dwelling place) with one cluster of grapes as Joshua did at the end of the 40 days?

In Song of Solomon 7:7, the Bride of the greater Son of David (Jesus Christ) is represented as having two clusters of grapes. One cluster might stand for those caught up to Heaven at the Pre-Trib Rapture. The other cluster might stand for those caught up to Heaven at the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

Song of Sol. 2:10-17 says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away (the Pre-Trib Rapture?). For, lo, the winter is past (i.e., it is after Mar. 20), the rain is over and gone (i.e., the month of Nisan is past); The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come ('of birds' is not in the Hebrew; this is the time when the Bride sings the 'new song,' Rev. 5:9), and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove; they are in Israel from April to October) is heard in our land; The fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:6,7) putteth forth her green figs (shows fruit, i.e., the Messianic Jews that accept Yeshua as their Messiah), and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. ARISE, MY LOVE, MY FAIR ONE, AND COME AWAY (THE RAPTURE?). O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs ('places' is not in the Hebrew; this is the SECRET OF THE STAIRS, like Jacob's ladder), let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for OUR VINES HAVE TENDER GRAPES. My beloved is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies. Until the day break, and the shadows flee away, turn, my beloved, and be thou like a roe or a young hart upon the mountains of Bether" (meaning separation, i.e., like the 2 Raptures are separated).

Gen 28:12,13 says that Jacob dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. And, behold, the LORD stood above it." This may be a clue that the Rapture may have something to do with Jacob.

Gen 28:17-19 says, "And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful is this place! this is none other but THE HOUSE OF GOD, and this is THE GATE OF HEAVEN. And Jacob (whom God named Israel) rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it. And he called the name of that place Bethel" (house of God).

Later, when the Israelites were in Egypt, there were 7 good years and 7 bad years. In our days I think 7 good years started Sept. 13, 1993, when the Oslo Accords were signed. The good years would be (1) 1994, (2) 1995, (3) 1996, (4) 1997, (5) 1998, (6) 1999, and (7) 2000. The 7 bad years would be (1) 2001, (2) 2002, (3) 2003, (4) 2004, (5) 2005, (6) 2006 and (7) 2007. The bad years would end Sept. 13, 2007.

Joseph sent for his father Jacob to come down to Egypt with his whole family in the 2nd bad year. Gen. 45:6-8 says, "For these TWO YEARS (i.e., 2001 and 2002) HATH THE FAMINE BEEN IN THE LAND : AND YET THERE ARE FIVE YEARS (i.e., 2003, 2004, 2005, 2005, and 2007), IN THE WHICH THERE SHALL NEITHER BE EARING NOR HARVEST. And God sent me before you to preserve you a posterity in the earth, and to save your lives by A GREAT DELIVERANCE (type of the Rapture?). So now it was not you that sent me hither, but God."

Is there a connection between Jacob's ladder and the great deliverance and our times? The 2nd Intifada started 2 days before Tishri 1, 5761 (Sept. 30, 2000). Was that a sign that the 7 bad years were starting?

Every one of us should make sure of 2 things, that we have asked Christ to be our own personal Saviour and confessed all sins committed after we accepted Christ. I John 1:9 says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Then we will be wearing the white robes of righteousness that are the wedding garment. We will be ready, whenever the Rapture takes place. Having come this far, we don't want to be left behind like the foolish virgins that didn't have enough oil, symbol of the Holy Spirit.

1Co 2:9: "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him." I sure love him. Agape

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Re: Rich
Just wanted to let you know your respons(es) to Rich are absolutely inspired. I have always wanted to know what Jew would have to say about Daniel's timing until the Messiah was cut off. I was reading with great anticipation to see what he had to say about it. It looks like they just avoid the issue entirely! Very dissapointed but then I can't think of anything that they could say.

It is very interesting that Rich continues to debate you. Perhaps the Holy Spirit is still calling him to repent. In any case, I can see how the Holy Spirit is using your interaction with him to build a testimony that can help to reach many many more that will be searching.

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. I try to keep in mind that what we say here may have repercussions elsewhere. The Lord knows that, and we usually don't have a clue. Maybe when the Rapture takes place, Rich will see the light. Right now, he thinks there won't be a Rapture. That seems to be a typical Jewish reaction, because even though Dr. Tabor, who is translating the Bible for the Original Bible Project, is a Messianic Jew, and translating the New Testament and the Old, he still thinks there won't be a Rapture.

I am so thankful that Israel is beginning to show fruit. The number of Messianic Jews is growing, but far too slowly to avoid the Tribulation running its course. I just hope the Messianic Jews will confess their sins as I John 1:9 says, so they will be wise virgins caught up to Heaven before worse things take place. Agape

Found on Five Doves site

Maureen Tomasco - Posted 6-16-02
"The anti-christ has to come before Israel builds a wall?"
I just read in the news that Israel is about to build a 'green fence' to separate themselves from the Palestinians. Doesn't the Bible say the nations come against " a city a unwalled villiages " ?

The anti-christ comes and confirms the covenant of false peace and 3 1/2 yrs. later, the nations come against her. Right? Please let me know your thoughts on this.

The rapture has to take place BEFORE they build the FENCE right?

Some exciting stuff going on
See you in the air, Doves

My reply

Maybe an electrified chain link fence is not a wall.

> > The anti-christ comes and confirms the covenant of false peace and 3 1/2 yrs. later, the nations come against her. Right?

The covenant will be confirmed with many as the Tribulation begins. This will reveal who will become the final Antichrist, the Satan-possessed False Prophet, but he will not take office until the 1st 1260 days of Moses and Elijah's prophesying end. When he takes office, the Great Tribulation that is to be shortened begins.

Eze. 38:11 says to Gog, "thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates."

I saw a picture of the electrified chain-link fence that is being installed, and the 7-year peace covenant of Dan. 9:27 has not yet been strenthened. This fence is at the border of the West Bank and the narrowest part of Israel's waist. Although suggested, as of now no village is fenced in. Even if villages were walled, the covenant could cause the walls to be removed. Even the Berlin wall finally came down.

Eze. 38 comes at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation, on the Day of God's Wrath. This is the day the Satan-possessed False Prophet is deposed from office. When God's fury comes up in his face (v. 18), verse 20 will take place. Both mountains (asteroid pieces of Rev. 8:8,10) will be cast down to impact Earth. The smaller piece will hit the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5) to stop Gog's army. Verse 20 tells us that the fish will shake, the birds will shake, all the men of the world will shake and every wall will fall around the world. This is the day the towers fall. Civilization as we know it will be destroyed. Babylon will be wiped out by the larger asteroid piece. The cities of the nations will be destroyed (Rev. 16:18).

On this same day, the Sign of the Son of Man (Mt. 24:30) will be seen in the sky (Rev. 6:14f).

The rapture has to take place BEFORE they build the FENCE right?

Not necessarily. The fence is going up now, and we are still here. However, I think the Rapture is very near. Agape

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Re: Saturn's speed
In P&C 914 it states: "Saturn is the slowest moving of all the planets."

This is true for the visible planets. The farthest planet from the sun is actually the slowest moving planet. Saturn is slower than Jupiter because the radius of its orbit is larger.

My reply

Thanks for clarifying this for me. I should have said that Saturn was the slowest moving of the naked-eye planets. Seeming to stay in one sign a long time, it is now slowly moving through Taurus. Agape

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