Pro and Con 917

Posted 6-20-02

PLEASE PRAY FOR MIKE CURTISS
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Palestinians say they concede right to return
June 19, 2002
From Christiane Amanpour
http://europe.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/06/19/palestinian.concessions/index.html
JERUSALEM (CNN) -- The Palestinian Authority is dropping a demand for the right of return for refugees -- one of the most contentious issues blocking a Middle East peace deal -- and is making other major concessions on peace with Israel in a two-page document sent to the United States, Palestinian officials said Wednesday....

On other issues, the Palestinians said they are no longer calling for a formal military in any future Palestinian state, just a state with "limited arms."

And on the issue of territory, they are calling for a return to the 1967 borders with minor agreed modifications. They reiterate their claim to East Jerusalem as a capital, with West Jerusalem as the capital for Israel.

A Palestinian official told CNN the concessions represent a major breakthrough since the last round of talks, which were held at Taba in Egypt after failed talks at Camp David, Maryland.
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Israel Will Recapture Palestinian Land Over 'Terror' Attacks, By Mark Heinrich 6-19-2
http://www.rense.com/general26/land.htm
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel toughened its policy against Palestinian violence on Wednesday, announcing it would recapture and hold parts of Palestinian-ruled West Bank territory in response to future "terror" attacks....

In a pre-dawn statement, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's office said the army now planned to counter attacks by retaking territory granted self-rule under interim peace deals in the 1990s and holding it as long as "terror" attacks continued.

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Why do you believe that the pope is the false prophet? Thank you

My reply

I don't. I think the Tribulation Pope is THE BEAST of Rev. 13:2-10 and THE FALSE PROPHET is the Satan-possessed beast in Rev. 13:11-18.

Rev 20:10 names the two. It says, "the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Isa 9:15 tells us that "The ancient and honourable (the Pope), he is the head (the 6th head of the great red dragon); and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail." The False Prophet is both the 7th head of the great red dragon and the tail, because Satan enters into him.

Rev. 17:10,11 says, "there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the OTHER is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space (the Great Tribulation will be shortened, Mt. 24:21,22). And the beast (Satan) that was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man at the time of the Rapture), even he (Satan) is the eighth, and is of the seven (gives them power), and goeth into perdition" (Judas Iscariot and the False Prophet are the only sons of perdition).

Joh 17:12 says, "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition (Judas Iscariot); that the scripture might be fulfilled."

2Th 2:3 says, "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (millennial Day of the Lord) shall not come, except there come a falling away (lit., departure, i.e., the Rapture) first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition" (the False Prophet).

Viewed from when the Rapture is "at hand" (Rev. 1:3; 22:10), the 7 kingdoms are (1) Babel I, (2) Babylon II, (3) Media-Persia, (4) Greece, (5) Roman Empire ("five are fallen"), (6) Ecclesiastical Rome headed by the Pope ("one is,") and (7) Babylon III, the UN headed up by the False Prophet (the "other" that has not yet come).

The False Prophet is called "another" in Dan. 7:8,24-26 and Rev. 13:11. Dan 7:8,24-26 says, "I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them ANOTHER little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man (the False Prophet), and a mouth speaking great things (because he is Satan possessed)....And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and ANOTHER shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first (he is not the first beast resurrected, as some think), and he shall subdue three kings. And he shall speak great words against the most High (Christ), and shall wear out the saints of the most High (the Tribulation saints), and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (3.5 years). But the judgment (the Judgment Seat of Christ) shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion (the False Prophet is deposed when the 7 trumpet judgments hit Earth), to consume and to destroy it unto the end" (of Armageddon).

Satan is symbolized by the great red dragon. He is also the beast that comes up out of the Earth after being cast out of Heaven and "into the earth" Mid-Trib (Rev. 12:9). Rev. 17:8 says, "The beast that thou sawest was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man at the time of the Rapture); and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition (the False Prophet): and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man at the Rapture), and yet is (he exists)."

The first beast of Rev. 13 comes up out of the sea, i.e., nations (Rev. 17:15). Rev. 13:11 says, "I beheld ANOTHER beast (Satan) coming up out of the earth (Mid-Trib); and he (Satan) had two horns like a lamb (2 comings to power in a man, Judas Iscariot and the False Prophet (Mid-Trib), as the Son of God has 2 comings in Jesus' body), and he (the 2nd horn, the False Prophet) spake as a dragon (Satan, because Satan enters into him)."

Concerning the Pope that will rule the first 3.5 years of the Tribulation, Rev. 13:3-8 says, "I saw one (the 6th head of the great red dragon) of his heads as it were wounded to death (this Pope was shot and recovered); and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon (Satan) which gave power unto the beast (that was left behind at the Rapture): and they worshipped the beast (Tribulatio9n Pope), saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? (who would war with the Pope?) And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (1st half of the Tribulation). And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven (the Rapture has already taken place, and he was left behind). And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (the foolish virgins, etc.), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations (the UN). And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (he is also head of the UR, United Religions), whose names are not written in the book of life (i.e., they are pagans) of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (kosmos, orderly arrangement that began with Adam." Christ's death was pre-planned and first pictured by the Lamb killed to make lamb's wool clothing for Adam and Eve. This Pope has already met with non-Christian religions. He even kissed the Koran.

Rev. 13:3-7 says of the great red dragon, "I saw one of his heads (#6, the Beast) as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world (including pagan religions) wondered after the beast. And they (pagan religions) worshipped the dragon (i.e., Satan) which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast (6th head), saying, Who is like unto the beast? (the Pope) who is able to make war with him (who would war against the Pope)? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies (calling Mary the mother of God and Mediatrix?); and power was given unto him (the Pope) to continue forty and two months (the 1st half of the Tribulation). And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle (his dwelling place in Heaven), and them that dwell in heaven (those wise virgins that were just raptured). And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (foolish virgins left behind), and to overcome them (even to making them martyrs): and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations (over the UR and UN). And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

Zec 5:3,4 says, "This is the curse (a binary asteroid twice as long as wide) that goeth forth (orbits) over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth (breaking one of the commandments written on 2 stone tablets) shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it. I will bring it (the asteroid) forth, saith the LORD of hosts (Christ, Isa. 44:6), and it (the asteroid) shall enter into the house of the thief (the False Prophet, a thief like Judas Iscariot), and into the house of him (the Pope) that sweareth falsely by my name (claims infallibility): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof." Agape

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Re: The Time Is Here
The entire length of Daniel's prophecy of 70 week's is 903,240 day's.

Not including the 70th week the total length is 900,720 day's which is equal to 2,466 of our year's and 30 day's.

If you are not familiar with the prophecy of "Daniels 70 Weeks" please go to this address first:
http://www.geocities.com/athens/parthenon/3021/danielsweeks.html

I. The first 19 year's of the reign of King Artaxerxes = 360 day's X 19 year's = 6,840 day's.
II. The first 69 week's of Daniel's prophecy of 70 week's = 7 year's X 69 week's = 483 year's.
483 year's X 360 day's = 173,880 days.
III. 2,000 year's for the church age = 360 day's X 2,000 year's = 720,000 day's.

6,840 day's + 173,880 day's + 720,000 day's = 900,720 day's

Time duration calculation from http://www.timeanddate.com
Time calculation
From: Saturday January 1, 01 A.D. at 00:00:00
to: Monday January 31, 2467 A.D. at 00:00:00
It is 900,720 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes and 0 seconds between those dates

We see here that 900,720 day's is equal to 2,466 of our year's and 30 day's.

From the first day of the reign of King Artaxerxes around August 7, 465 B.C. to Rosh Hashanah the feast of Trumpet's September 6, 2002 is 2,466 year's and 30 day's.

Scientific dating of the reign of King Artaxerxes from http://www.harvardhouse.com/prophetictech/5thbc.htm

Xerxes' Assassination in 465 BC

Xerxes, the father of Artaxerxes, was murdered by political aids in August, 465 B.C. Scribes recorded Xerxes' assassination date on a clay tablet known as a Babylonian Astronomical Text.(1)(2) Scholars have translated the text to show Xerxes' murder occurred sometime between August 4 to 18, 465 BC.(3) Upon his father's death, Artaxerxes became king of Persia.

Scholars use the Babylonian Astronomical Text to determine that Artaxerxes' reign began in August, 465 B.C.

Using the Julian date calculator at http://www.nr.com/julian.html

From August 10, 465 B.C. to Rosh Hashanah the feast of Trumpet's September 6, 2002 is 900,720 day's.

Many (but not all) believe Jesus was crucified in the spring of 31 A.D. 360 day's X 2,000 year's = 720,000 day's.

Time calculation from http://www.timeanddate.com
From: Tuesday April 3, 31 at 00:00:00
to: Wednesday July 17, 2002 at 00:00:00
It is 720000 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes and 0 seconds between those dates

For an explanation of why it ends on the 9th or 10th of Ab instead of Rosh Hashanah the Feast of Trumpets see
http://www.biblestudy.org/gands/hdaybook/sect2mis.html

They write this:
The five festivals are: (A) Passover/ Unleavened Bread, (B) Pentecost, (C) Tenth of Ab, (D) Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles, Last Great Day, (E) Purim.

Their festival books are: (A) Song of Solomon, (B) Ruth, (C) Lamentations, (D) Ecclesiastes, (E) Esther.

Of these five festivals periods, A, B, and D are regularly kept by most Holy Day observers, while C and E usually are not. Yet there must be a significance to these non-Holy Day festivals. What is that significance, and where do these days fit into a prophetic overview?

The tenth of Ab is the tenth day of the fifth sacred month. Just as Pentecost follows Wavesheaf Sunday by 50 days, so THE TENTH OF Ab PRECEDES TRUMPETS (Rosh Hashanah) BY 50 DAYS."

The last feast Jesus fulfilled before he ascended was Pentecost. Could it be that the next feast JESUS WILL FULFILL will be "THE 10TH OF Ab" (some say 9th of Ab)

It should be noted that 40 "prophetic year's" (40 year's X 360 day's =14,400 day's)

Time calculation from http://www.timeanddate.com
From: Wednesday March 28, 31 A.D. at 00:00:00
to: Thursday August 30, 70 A.D. at 00:00:00
It is 14400 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes and 0 seconds between those dates

Some believe that Jerusalem fell August 29, 70 A.D. see http://www.zorroviejo.com/lists/firstjewishrevolt.html

"On the 9th of the month of Av (August 29) in AD 70, Jerusalem fell; the Temple was burned, and the Jewish state collapsed"

Passover is recorded as being Wednesday March 28, in the year 31 A.D. Although some believe that was too eary for Passover and the new moon April 10th 31 A.D. was the beginning of Nisan and Jesus was crucified on Wednesday April 25th 31 A.D. To make the 2,000 year mark line up with the 9th or 10th of Ab 2002 A.D. you have to start your calculation either on Tuesday April 3rd 31 A.D. or Wednesday April 4th 31 A.D.

Vendyl Jones explains why: this may be at
http://www.vendyljones.org.il/Articles/rsh1096/tradclnd.htm He write's:
"The MMS document found at Qumran brings 24 charges against the Upper Sanhedrin in Jerusalem. Several of these charges relate to the use of the Lunar rather than the Solar Jubilee Calendar which was used in biblical times.. Among those charges is the allegation that the Torah is very specific that the first day and the first month of the year is the Spring Equinox, or the month of Aviv (Spring) is the beginning of the year to the Nation of Israel. Exodus 12:2;

"This month shall be unto you the beginning of months. The first month of the year [Rosh HaShanah] shall it be unto you."

One can easily see the point of dissension that the writer of the MMS Document made against the Sanhedrin in Jerusalem. The Lunar system requires the addition of 7 extra months in each 19 year cycle to keep it at least close to the Solar system.

In Genesis 1:14-18 and 8:22 the sun, moon and stars were set in their order to govern the earth.

The Sun was set to determine days and years. The sun is called the "Day Star". Since the sun is a star in the Galaxy, it is also sequenced to the Zodiac.

The Moon was consigned to govern the night, seed-time and the harvest. (the rapture is often called "the MAIN HARVEST")

The Stars, [Zodiacs or the 12 constellations] were designated to govern the signs and seasons. In Genesis 8:22, [after the flood], the Zodiac also controlled "Heat and Cold" which literally means "Warmth and Cool", [Spring and Autumn] and "Summer and Winter."

He goes on to write at:
http://www.vendyljones.org.il/Articles/rsh1096/tradclnd.htm

He write's "Babylon and many other contemporary cultures reckoned the Autumn Equinox as the first day of the 7th month, as the beginning of the year. Other more ancient calendars, however, agreeing to that stated in Exodus 12:2, reckoned the Spring Equinox as the New Year. March 22, starting at sunset at the end of March 21st, the Zodiac Sign of Aries (the Lamb) having fully entered into the Gate of the Sun, is the beginning of the Torah Jubilee year."

Vendyl Jones also write's at
http://vendyljones.org.il/Articles/qumrcal.htm

"The Jewish Calendar before the Babylonian captivity was based upon the sun and not the moon. Only after the Babylonian captivity did the Jewish Calendar change from the Solar calendar to the Lunar calendar. The pre-Babylonian calendar reckoned Rosh HaShanah, the New Year in the Aviv, the spring or vernal equinox. Since the captivity, the Rosh HaShanah, meaning the Beginning of the Year, is reckoned on the autumn equinox, on the first day of Tishri."

IF (the biggest little word in the bible is "IF")...IF this is true that would mean the 14th of of Nisan would be April 3rd or 4th each year. Some believe that Jesus was crucified on a Tuesday (see
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/sbs777/saccal/calbook/part1-1.html
Passover and other's believe the only way you can get three day's and three nights in the grave is Jesus being crucified on a Wednesday Passover.

This would also explain "The Epistle of Pontius Piliate" being dated "the 5th of the calends of April" or maybe the 5th day before the calendar of April ends "calENDS" (see Letter's of Pilate & Herod at
http://www.bible2000.org/lostbooks/pilate.htm or see
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2002/caps218-2.htm
or maybe "the 5th of the calends of April" means the 5th day before the calendar of April ends "calENDS" (see
http://members.tripod.com/~PetraGrail/tree.html because some believe that March was too early for the beginning of Nisan and believe that the new new moon of April began Nisan. There was a new moon on April 10th 31 A.D. which would make Passover the 14th or 15th day on April 25th or 26th 31 A.D. 5 day's before the calendar of April ends see http://www.a-cog.org/Nelte%20HTML/30-31new.htm

Time calculation from http://www.timeanddate.com
From: Wednesday April 25, 31 at 00:00:00
to: Thursday August 8, 2002 at 00:00:00
It is 720,000 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes and 0 seconds between those dates

Time calculation from http://www.timeanddate.com
From: Thursday August 8, 2002 at 00:00:00
to: Friday September 6, 2002 at 00:00:00
It is 29 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes and 0 seconds between those dates

If the crucifiction happened April 25th 31 A.D. that would make August 8, 2002 the end 29 day's before the new moon of September 6, or 7th which occur's around 3:00 A.M. September 7, 2002.

My reply

> > Many (but not all) believe Jesus was crucified in the spring of 31 A.D.

I think Jesus was crucified on the day of preparation for the Passover, Thursday, Nisan 13, in 30 AD.

Martin Anstey (author of The Romance of Bible Chronology), found an 82-year mistake in the era of the Persian Kings. BC 536 - 82 = BC 454. This was the 1st year of Cyrus, whom God said issued the instructions to rebuild Jerusalem and the temple. Isa. 44:28 says that the LORD "saith of CYRUS, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even SAYING TO JERUSALEM THOU SHALT BE BUILT; AND TO THE TEMPLE, THY FOUNDATION SHALL BE LAID." How anyone can go with anything else is beyond my understanding. When God says something, I believe it.

Dan. 9:25's 483 years - 454 + 1 (because no zero year) = 30 AD, the year of the Crucifixion. This fits every time indicator. The temple was begun in BC 20/19 and was mentioned in John 2:20 as being 46 years in building at the time of the 1st Passover of Christ's ministry, 27 AD. Jesus was born in BC 5 and was baptized when about 30, in 26 AD, which was the 15th year that Tiberius was the actual ruler over Palestine. He became Co-Rex in 12 AD and Sole Rex in 14 AD. From 12 AD on, he was the only one that ruled over Palestine, Augustus busying himself in other parts of his realm.

The failure of the Pharisees, to accept him as king in 30 AD led to Jesus's statement in Mt. 23:36. He told them, "Verily (Amen, so be it) I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation." They did, 40 years later. This agreed with the 40 year iniquity of Judah in Eze. 4:6.

Therefore, I think all the things listed in Mt. 24:15-31 will happen within 40 years of the Sign of the End of the Age, the Six-Day War of 1967, when Israel grew leaves (Sinai, West Bank, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights).

> > Just as Pentecost follows Wavesheaf Sunday by 50 days, so THE TENTH OF Ab PRECEDES TRUMPETS (Rosh Hashanah) BY 50 DAYS."

That is interesting. Some things may mirror a previous fulfillment. The church was born when the Holy Spirit came upon the disciples at Pentecost, the 50th day after a feast (the Feast of Firstfruits in 30 AD). It would be a pretty good mirror image if the church was caught up 50 days before a feast (the Feast of Trumpets).

> > The last feast Jesus fulfilled before he ascended was Pentecost. Could it be that the next feast JESUS WILL FULFILL will be "THE 10TH OF Ab"

I hope so. Christ will at some time make it a joyful feast instead of a mournful fasting day because of the loss of both temples. Zec 8:19 says, "Thus saith the LORD of hosts (Christ, Isa. 44:6); The fast of the fourth month, and the FAST OF THE FIFTH (AV), and the fast of the seventh, and the fast of the tenth, shall be to the house of Judah joy and gladness, and cheerful feasts; therefore love the truth and peace."

> > Only after the Babylonian captivity did the Jewish Calendar change from the Solar calendar to the Lunar calendar. The pre-Babylonian calendar reckoned Rosh HaShanah, the New Year in the Aviv, the spring or vernal equinox. Since the captivity, the Rosh HaShanah, meaning the Beginning of the Year, is reckoned on the autumn equinox, on the first day of Tishri."

In Adam's day, I think the calendar was Luni-solar, with the Civil Year starting with Tishri 1, as today. I think this "kosmos" began to operate on Tishri 1, the day after Adam was created. The Bible is consistant and logical. The Sacred Year, starting Nisan 1, began at the Exodus. The Regnal Year also starts on Nisan 1.

> > other's believe the only way you can get three day's and three nights in the grave is Jesus being crucified on a Wednesday Passover.

That doesn't work. Sunday has to be "the third day since" (Lu. 24:21) (Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Try the Crucifixion on "THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER" (Joh 19:14), THURSDAY. (day), Friday (night and day), Saturday (night and day), and Sunday (night). Agape

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my web page explains how I got 2007. I received the understanding of 2007 after I sent you the email on April 02, 2002.

The url below explains how I got 2007.
http://jesus888.com/close09.htm

822 is the last of the 800 type Toll-Free area codes.

822+22+33+44+55+66+77=1119

in Greek gematria:
John = 1119
Jesus = 888
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.......2007

My reply

Here's the way I got 2007. In Mt. 24:32-34, Mark 13:28,29, and Luke 21:29-31, Jesus said essentially the same thing as Mt. 24:34: "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

The previous verse's "all these things" applies to a final generation seeing Israel back in the land and growing when still young, 19 years old. That "all these things" applied to the generation born in 1967 (1948 + 19 = 1967). All those things happened right on time, so we have a solid base upon which to build.

Therefore, we see that "all these things" of v. 33 applies to the beginning of the last generation, and "all these things" of v. 34 applies to the end of the last generation. How far apart are the two?

In Mt. 23:13,27-38, Jesus said, "woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees (meaning set apart), hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in....Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites." In Mt. 24:51 we see foolish virgins cut off at the time of the Rapture appointed their portion with the hypocrites still around today. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth then.

In 30 AD, continuing in Mt. 23, Jesus said, "ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!...Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I (i.e., the Son of God, the Pre-incarnate Christ, as well as the Incarnate Christ) send unto you prophets (OT, plus John the Baptist), and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily (Amen, so be it) I say unto you, All these things shall come upon THIS GENERATION."

They did, in 70 AD, when the Temple was burned. From 30 AD to 70 AD was 40 years. If "THIS GENERATION" was 40 years in Mt. 23, "THIS GENERATION" in Mt. 24 is 40 years. Adding 40 years to 1967 brings us to 2007.

In Mat 24:31-34, Jesus said, "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET (the first trump of God), and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other (the gathering to the "general assembly" [Heb. 12:23] of those that were caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture). Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:6,7); When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting, i.e., modern Israel grafted into her old rootstock) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., no more than 19, as when they came out of Egypt), and putteth forth leaves (Sinai, West Bank, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights), ye know that summer is nigh (the Six-Day War started June 5, 1967; summer started June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the Rapture) is near (as in Rev. 1:3 and 22:10), even at the doors (symbol of both the Pre-Trib Rapture [Rev. 3:8; 4:1] and the Pre-Wrath Rapture). Verily I say unto you, This generation (born in 1967) shall not pass, till all these things (including the gathering of those in Heaven to the "general assembly" in Heaven) be fulfilled."

In Mark 13:27, Jesus said, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth (the Pre-Wrath Rapture at the 'last trump' of God, I Cor. 15:51,52) to the uttermost part of heaven" (those previously caught up in the Pre-Trib [I Thess. 4:13-18] first 'trump of God' Rapture, as in Mt. 31).

If we didn't figure out Mt. 24 32-34 and Mark 13:28,29, Jesus gives us another way to figure the beginning of the 40-year generation. In Luke 21:29-32, he said, "Behold the fig tree (Israel), and all the trees (surrounding nations: Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia); When they now shoot forth (push at, i.e., attack Israel in the Six-Day War of 1967), ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand (the war started June 5; summer started June 21). So likewise ye, when ye see THESE THINGS (Israel in the land plus the attack on Isreal in the Six-Day War) come to pass, know ye that THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS NIGH AT HAND. Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATION shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled." Forty years from 1967 is 2007.

Luke 25-28 gives us information not included in Matthew and Mark. It says, "there shall be SIGNS in the sun (the double anchor, symbol of hope in the Eastern Orthodox Church), and in the moon (the young lion's face seen over Jerusalem in the Lunar Eclipse), and in the stars (lit., constellations, the double anchor, symbol of hope seen in the constellation Carina, the keel of the ship Argo [meaning the company of travellers, i.e., the Rapture], plus the 21-piece comet impacts on Jupiter); and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity (over what to do to solve the problem of Jerusalem and threatened wars); the sea (United Nations, Rev. 17:15) and the waves (individual nations) roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man (the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14f) coming in a cloud with power and great glory (he will be crowned in Heaven and given his Kingdom that day). And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption (i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture) draweth nigh."

Since we were to look up in 1967, how much more should we look up in 2002. The Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993. Adding 7 good years and 7 bad years, as when Joseph was in Egypt, is Sept. 13, 2007. The Oslo Accords were ratified 3 days later in Israel on Tishri 1, 5754. Adding the 7 good and 7 bad years is Tishri 1, 5768, which is Sept. 13, 2007. To me, that bears God's stamp on it. We couldn't have arranged it. That points to 2007 too.

God planned it from olden days. Joseph (meaning increase, addition) gathered Jacob/Israel (meaning who prevails with God) to himself in the 2nd bad year. In Gen 45:6-7, Joseph said, "For these TWO YEARS (in our days, 2001, 2002) hath the famine (bad years) been in the land: and yet there are FIVE YEARS (2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007), in the which there shall neither be earing nor harvest. And God sent me before you to preserve you a posterity in the earth, and to save your lives by A GREAT DELIVERANCE (i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture?)."

Both the US and Israel are experiencing drought now over wide areas. I live in one of them. Los Angeles did not get enough rain. Arid Riverside got less. As a consequence, Colorado and California have wildfires--and have to use more precious water to get them under control. God decides how much rain we get.

After the seals begin to be broken, we can see that continued famine will hit hard. Rev. 6:6 says, "I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny (lit., a denarius, a day's wage), and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine." Agape

His reply

isn't God great? I knew you would me moved with joy when you received my last email. I was also moved when I noticed that you had previously wrote about 2007. It's wonderful how God just show us His greatness and love. The saints are left without an excuse when asked, " why didn't you tell what you knew." It is time for us to spead the Good News with great speed. Maybe that is why I decided to get DSL. Have you ever wondered why God sent the angel Gabriel to tell two women that they will have a baby under very strange conditions. And to give them specific names. I believe (know ) God was thinking about us two thousand years down the corridors of time.

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