Pro and Con 918

Posted 6-20-02

MORE CLUES THAT FIT AN AV 10 RAPTURE

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Re: Rapture in 2002
I was expecting a reply about my two dreams by now. I have run it by others and it fit's well with their spirit. I am so excited right now, I feel I could take off now and beat the Rapture on 19th July.

I just want to add to what I have already mentioned. I believe your date is SPOT ON. I believe we will experience asteroids hitting the earth as well, starting 17th or the 18th or both. I believe the word Babylon refers to several cities that will be effected. One of these cities will go under water and it may be Rome. During those 3 days the lukewarm Christians with no oil will be running to us asking for oil. But that will be too late.

Just like Christ rose after 3 days. So the TRUE WISE Christians will rise up on the 3rd day (19th July) to meet the Lord in the air.

I just have one question that I am puzzled about your date that I can not seem to work out.

How did you know that it is this year?

Could your calculations have fit in with next year or the years after?

Finally when we rise, amongst the many I will be looking for is you. Even though I was born again in 1977, I was backslidden for a short while. But in 1999 I was searching the web one day and came across your site. It is possible if you never posted as you did, I may have still been in the lukewarm stage.

Praise God Almighty I am full of oil and I am ready to meet Him very, very soon.

Part II
When I read your post about the Rapture on 10 Av on P&C 907 on 26th May 2002, I dismissed it because it did not fit with some of my own theories. I was sure that the rapture would be next year. However two very significant things happened. Firstly I dreamt in the early hours of Friday morning the 14th of June 2002. In the dream I was facing South and I looked to the West and I saw a new moon. Then I looked to the East and saw a full moon. END OF DREAM

I thought about the dream but did not really come up with a reasonable explanation until I combined it with an experience I had on Saturday night around 8:00 on 15th of June 2002. I decided to go over the book of Genesis to look up types and shadows of Enoch, Noah and Lot. When reading Genesis 8:4 I suddenly became aware of God's anointing upon me. At first I thought that I was in danger and immediately started praying in the Spirit. While doing so I walked around and checked that all was secure. I then walked back to my desk and wondered if the anointing was pointing me to something in the word. Suddenly after reading through Genesis 8:4 several times it dawned on me.

Gen 8:4 reads as follows:
And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

I thought of the possibility of this referring to "Seventh month" as July and therefore "Seventeenth day" 17th July I suddenly remembered your date of 19th July 2002. Then I remembered my dream of the new and full moons.

I only found a site on the internet today which identifies the dates of new, quarter and full moons at
http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/phase/phases.2001-2100.html

I discovered that the next new moon is on 10th July and the next full moon is on the 24th July and in-between they show the quarter moon as 17th July. Suddenly everything made perfect sense except my two dates of 17th July (8th Av) is two days out from your 19th July (10th Av).

I read your PC 915 and noticed the article on "Shoemaker Levy" which struck Jupiter on the 17th July (9th Av 1994) (17th July again). Then I searched the internet again and found a common denominator relating to 9th Av.

Throughout history this date is considered as a day of destruction by the Jews. See
http://www.jewishglobe.com/Holidays/TishaBAv.html
Both temples were destroyed on the same day. Now I wondered if that the Al Aqsa mosque may be destroyed on 18th July (9th Av)

I also wondered if your dates are possibly out by two days as we might be Raptured before the event on (9th Av) avoiding the calamity to come.

Either that or my dates point to the last day before the world changes forever and we witness the destruction of the mosque and we are Raptured the next day when all sanity is lost. I also believe that the concrete wall which is currently being erected is going to create an outcry resulting in some serious attack somewhere in the world on the 4th July or close to that date and with that next scriptures come to mind. 1 Thessalonians 5:2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman.

Somewhere between July 4th and July 18th there will be an outcry for sanity to prevail urging peace, and for a while it may seem to calm, when suddenly 9th Av arrives. Praise God as we will find ourselves worthy to escape.

I also want to note a dream that I had on the same night 14th June, this dream preceded the dream of the two moons. I dreamt that I was swimming in icy waters in a city. The area below me should have been a road where cars drive. In front and on my right were buildings covered in water way above the road level. I decided to look below the surface of the waters expecting to see very clear waters like I have seen in Ocean Geographic. Instead the visibility of the water was poor due to many pieces of small ice chunks. END OF DREAM

I am not sure what this dream means but my interpretation is one of a catastrophic event that takes place somewhere which results in a city falling below sea level. This city is obviously in an area where there is icy waters. Whether or not we witness it before 17th to 19th July remains to be seen.

One things for sure if it does happen in this period, it will bring everyone who reads this posting to instant attention. Be blessed. Part III
I just picked up a possible error in your P&C 907. You state that both temples burnt on 10 Av.

When you do a search on GOOGLE you get far more HITS on 9 Av than 10 Av, are you sure you are correct?

Even in your previous P&C 170 and 334 you stated 9 Av. was the day the temples burnt. Be Blessed

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. I'm so glad my writing could be a wake-up call. That's what I wanted to do all along. Sorry I took so long to answer. I have 707 unanswered e-mails in my Inbox. Anyway, I may be able to answer it better now than before. I am seeing things more clearly now.

> > Just like Christ rose after 3 days. So the TRUE WISE Christians will rise up on the 3rd day (19th July) to meet the Lord in the air.

Thanks for reminding me about the 3rd day. Look.
1st temple of the Lord went up in smoke Av 10
2nd temple of the Lord went up in smoke Av 10
3rd temple of the Holy Spirit - will it go up in clouds Av 10 (July 19)?

Exo 19:10-13 says, "the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them WASH THEIR CLOTHES, And BE READY AGAINST THE THIRD DAY (also suggesting JULY 17, 18, 19?): for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai (meaning bush, i.e., as at the burning bush Moses saw).... WHEN THE TRUMPET SOUNDETH LONG, THEY SHALL COME UP TO THE MOUNT." The Lord came in "fire" (v. 18) and "a thick cloud" (v.16). This was the first mention of the trumpet in the Bible, just as the 1st Rapture will be the FIRST "TRUMP OF GOD" (I Thess. 4:16). The Pre-Wrath Rapture will be at the "last trump" (I Cor. 15:51,52).

Ex. 19:18-20 says, "mount Sinai was altogether on a SMOKE, because the LORD descended upon it in FIRE: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount QUAKED greatly. And when the voice of the TRUMPET sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice. And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and THE LORD CALLED MOSES UP (AS HIS 'COME UP HITHER" IN REV. 4:1) TO THE TOP OF THE MOUNT; AND MOSES WENT UP."

Moses (meaning taken out of the water; i.e., as Noah [repose, rest consolation] floated up). Moses represents the wise virgins. Immediately, he was told to tell the priests and the people (representing the foolish virgins) not to come up unto the Lord (v. 24). The foolish Laodicean virgins are left behind at the 1st Rapture, but not at the 2nd.

> > I just have one question that I am puzzled about your date that I can not seem to work out. How did you know that it is this year?

Jacob/Israel (who prevails with God) went to Joseph (increase; addition) in the 2nd bad year. Gen 45:6,7 says, "For these TWO YEARS hath the famine been in the land (bad years): and yet there are FIVE YEARS, in the which there shall neither be earing nor harvest. And God sent me before you to preserve you a posterity in the earth, and to save your lives by a great DELIVERANCE (pletytah, ESCAPE)" (Rapture?).

> > Could your calculations have fit in with next year or the years after?

I don't see how.

> > And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

Ararat means the curse of trembling. The 7th month of the Jewish Civil Calendar is Nisan (8th month in a leap year). I can't think of any place in the Bible that the Gregorian Calendar is used.

> > I read your PC 915 and noticed the article on "Shoemaker Levy" which struck Jupiter on the 17th July (9th Av 1994)

I should have looked it up instead of taking someone's word for it. It has bothered me ever since, because I thought it was July 16. Finally, today, I found the right date. The comet broke into pieces July 7, 1992. The 1st piece hit Jupiter July 16, 1994 (Av 8, 5754). Tisha b'Av (Av 9) was the next day. The last piece hit July 22 (Av 14). It took 7 days (inclusive reckoning) for all 21 pieces to hit Jupiter. That really marked July 16-22 (Av 8-14) in a way that mankind had never seen before.

Just maybe the Rapture will take place in that time slot. Luke 21:25-28 says, "there shall be SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (lit., constellations); and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea (nations, Rev. 17:15) and the waves (individual nations) roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory (the Sign of the Son of Man seen on Tishri 1, 5768/Sept. 13, 2007?). And when these things BEGIN TO COME TO PASS, then look up, and lift up your heads; for YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWETH NIGH."

That year 5754, when Jupiter was bombarded, catches my eye. Israel ratified the Oslo Accords in Israel on Tishri 1, 5754, 3 days after they were signed in the USA on Sept. 13, 1993. Adding 7 good and 7 bad years to that brings us to Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007).

The bombardment of Jupiter was in the same Jewish year that the Oslo Accords were ratified in Israel. That is the biggest sign we have had yet. It was probably to call our attention to the beginning of the good and bad year countdown to the Day of God's Wrath, the Day of God that starts the millennial Day of the Lord.

I think Sept. 13, 2007 will be the day the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 hit Earth. Look what I found on BBC science news.
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Space rock's close approach, By Dr David Whitehouse http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_2056000/2056403.stm
6-20-02 - Astronomers have revealed that on 14 June, an asteroid the size of a football pitch made one of the closest ever recorded approaches to the Earth.

It is only the sixth time an asteroid has been seen to penetrate the Moon's orbit, and this is by far the biggest rock to do so.

What has worried some astronomers, though, is that the space object was only detected on 17 June, several days after its flyby....

Catalogued as 2002MN, the asteroid was travelling at over 10 kilometres a second (23,000 miles per hour) when it passed Earth at a distance of around 120,000 km (75,000 miles).

The last time such an object is recorded to have come this close was in December 1994.

'Wake up call'

The space rock has a diameter of between 50-120 metres (160 - 320 feet...

If 2002MN had hit the Earth, it would have caused local devastation similar to that which occurred in Tunguska, Siberia, in 1908, when 2,000 square kilometres of forest were flattened....

"The probability is actually quite high that a Tunguska-sized object will hit us in our lifetimes."

'Bolt from the blue'...the asteroid came out of the Sun and was impossible for Linear to see until one hour after its flyby of the Earth on the 14th.

Dr Davies said: "...if an asteroid were to approach close to an imaginary line joining the Earth and the Sun it would never be visible in a night-time sky and would be quite impossible to discover with normal telescopes. Its arrival would come, literally, as a bolt from the blue."...

> > Somewhere between July 4th and July 18th there will be an outcry for sanity to prevail urging peace, and for a while it may seem to calm, when suddenly 9th Av arrives. Praise God as we will find ourselves worthy to escape.

Josephus said, "Titus retired into the tower of Antonia, and resolved to storm the temple the next day, early in the morning, with his whole army, and to encamp round about the holy house; but, as for that house, God had for certain long ago doomed it to the fire; and now that fatal day was come, according to the revolution of ages: IT WAS THE TENTH DAY OF THE MONTH LOUS, [AB,] UPON WHICH IT WAS FORMERLY BURNT BY THE KING OF BABYLON. (Wars. VI. IV. 5).

Jer. 52:12,13 says, "Now in THE FIFTH MONTH (Ab/Av), IN THE TENTH DAY of the month, which was the nineteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, which served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem, And BURNED THE HOUSE OF THE LORD."

> > and I looked to the West and I saw a new moon. Then I looked to the East and saw a full moon.

As you said, the New Moon is July 10, the Full Moon July 24. Maybe our going up in the clouds will be between those dates - on July 19.

> > Suddenly after reading through Genesis 8:4 several times it dawned on me. Gen 8:4 reads as follows: And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

The Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37), when buildings were all under water.

> > 1 Thessalonians 5:2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman.

It looks like Israel is having labor pains right now. Every time they seem to be working on the peace treaty so they can have Peace and safety, Arafat, etc., sends in the suicide bombers. That's sudden destruction wnen they say, "Peace and safety." I wish I could remember when it was that someone actually said, "Peace and safety." It should be on the Pro and Cons somewhere. I wonder if it was at the beginning of the 7 bad years. Hind sight is usually better than foresight. Agape

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Check out Watching, by E.Annette Rattray (5 Doves site)

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> > there is one set of dates that appear to have been overlooked. Those of the Orthodox Ministry. http://www.goarch.org/access/calendar/

> > Please note: May 5th - Orthodox Easter-Pascha - Remember that date?... a perfect equilateral triangle appeared in the Sky with Mars, Saturn and Venus! Therefore Ascension Day (40 days later) on June 13th. Therefore Pentecost (10 days later) on June 23rd....

> > Orthodox Pentecost is to be observed June 23rd, followed the next day by a Penumbral Eclipse of the moon. June 23rd - Orthodox Pentecost, is 50 days (inclusive) from May 5th of the 'grand conjunction.'

> > If we have 40 days and nights of 'spiritual rain', then this is the period in which we will go into the Highways and Byways and compel people on come into the Kingdom (Matt.22:9 Luke 14:23). 40 days after June 23rd we come to 1st August. After '6 days' (Matt 17:1) and Mark (9:2) we come to 6th August - Transfiguration Day!!!!! Jesus had just finished saying "Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see that the kingdom of God has come with power."

Thanks. My calendar lists June 23 as "Orthodox Pentecost," but it also lists "Pentecost" on June 18. That one got by me. I don't know who figured it that way. Sivan 7 was May 18. The only thing I can think of, maybe it's like the 2nd Passover, one month later. Anyway, it would be nice if Sunday would be the day. It can't come too soon to suit me. Agape
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"The 10 kings - Prodi at Brussel" - Pearl48
http://www.fivedoves.com/latterdayletters/showletter.php?id=1774
[b]Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.[/b]

Romano Prodi, European Commission president, will today announce a shock plan to shake-up his team, creating a new inner cabinet to push through reforms....

He wants to create an inner core of fewer than 10 vice-presidents, concentrating on what he calls a limited number of essential tasks....

Mr Prodi, halfway into his five-year term, wants the changes to be in place before the enlargement of the EU by up to 10 countries in 2004....

Mr Prodi's paper talks of a team of vice-presidents, "each of whom would be given the task of supervising a group of areas", sharing responsibility with two or three commissioners depending on the scope of the fields covered. He suggests grouping external relations, trade, development aid and humanitarian assistance. Another group might include employment, social affairs and training; another economic, fiscal and customs policy....

[b]He would like the new Commission structure to echo reforms being planned for the council of ministers - expected to be confirmed at this week's Seville EU summit - to reduce the number of ministerial sectoral councils from 16 to 10.[/b]
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Friday, June 14, 2002, 4 Tammuz 5762 MK's Proposal for Investigation Prompts Mini-Crisis
http://israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=25120
...Foreign Minister Shimon Peres delivered a very angry Knesset rebuttal: "We will yet return to the Oslo path! It has the justice of truth! It has political truth! It is vital for the Jewish future of the State of Israel!"
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I keep thinking of Dan 5:28's "PERES; Thy kingdom is divided."

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Re: The Time Is Here
> > "The church was born when the Holy Spirit came upon the disciples at Pentecost, the 50th day after a feast (the Feast of Firstfruits in 30 AD)"

Thank you for making that point about a Thursday crucifiction. I was not aware that was possible.

The next point I'm about to make may sound silly but please consider.

If Jesus was crucified Thursday April 6, 30 A.D. that would make Pentecost May 29, 30 A.D. The number one canidate for antichrist is JFK who was born on May 29, 1917 according to the encyclopedia. How strange the number one canidate for antichrist was born on Pentecost May 29. There is a verse in the bible, I can't remember where, that say's it was given power to him (Antichrist) the power to change time's and season's. One of the unmistakable signs of Antichrist would be his changing of the Times and Seasons. Could it be that time's and season's were different back then? That may sound silly but how do you explain JFK being born on Pentecost May 29, 1917. I can just hear the laughter but please consider.

My reply

I'm not laughing. It pays to look into possibilities, hang on to the good and throw the bad away.

> > Pentecost May 29, 30 A.D. The number one canidate for antichrist is JFK who was born on May 29, 1917

That's the correct date of JFK's birth. I put a newspaper clipping in our daughter's Baby Book about it for she was also born on May 29. Our son David was born on Apr. 6. Both fit neatly in 30 AD. I think the Second Advent of the greater Son of David will be on Nisan 1, 5768, Apr. 6, 2008, too. We will come back with him. What a birthday that will be for our David.

The only name we had picked was Brian. I took one look at him and knew he didn't look like the helpless Brian I expected. He was huge and strong, could manage to flip himself over on his back when face down. David flitted across my brain. I asked Ed and he liked David, so he got an unexpected tie-in that way.

I doubt that JFK will be the Antichrist though. I think the final Antichrist, the Satan-possessed False Prophet, will be a Jew from the tribe of Dan. He was associated with idolatry. Dan is omitted in Rev. 7's list of the 12 tribes in the 144,000 too.

> > One of the unmistakable signs of Antichrist would be his changing of the Times and Seasons. Could it be that time's and season's were different back then?

I think they were the same as now. Maybe the Antichrist will not be able to actually change these things. Job 41:9 says, "Behold, the hope of him is in vain." Here are 3 different translations of Dan. 7:25. See what you think.

KJV says, "And he shall speak great words against the most High (Christ, Isa. 44:6), and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and THINK TO CHANGE times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time." The word translated "think" is the Aramaic "cbar," to bear in mind, i.e., to hope, think.

YLT says, "words as an adversary of the Most High it doth speak, and the saints of the Most High it doth wear out, and it HOPETH TO CHANGE seasons and law; and they are given into its hand, till a time, and times, and a division of a time."

Rotherham says, "words against the Most High, will he speak, and, the holy ones of the Highest, will he afflict,—and will HOPE TO CHANGE times and law, and they will be given into his hand, for a season and seasons and the dividing of a season." Agape

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Elizabeth - 6-17-02
"Re: Question for the Doves"

Ann, my take on this verse is this:

We are given a crown for the fact that we are "looking for His return" and if we waver in our expectancy, and do not believe He really meant it, then we may lose our crown, the one given for that phase of our endurance; that phase of our faith.

The other significance would be to back up to the previous verse which says that the Lord will keep us from the hour of temptation and Great Tribulation which will come. Some scholars think it translates to keep us FROM TRIBULATION others think it means to PROTECT US THROUGH the tribulation or hour of temptation which shall come on all who dwell on earth.

Whichever is correct (I prefer to think we will be removed FROM the tribulation), we may well receive a crown for not losing our strength and hope, during the trials preceding the Rapture of the believers. We may not be rescued immediately and may have to face a week or so, maybe a month??? of preliminary incidents.. persecution, food shortages, etc.

That is my opinion, anyhow. In Christ, Elizabeth

My reply

> > Whichever is correct (I prefer to think we will be removed FROM the tribulation

I think we will be kept OUT OF the Tribulation. The word "ek," translated "from" in Rev. 3:10 is translated "OUT OF" in Rev. 5:9. The saints are "OUT OF every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation."

Isa. 57:1-6 (Rotherham) says, "The righteous one, hath perished (abad, vanished, escaped), And not a man, hath taken it to heart—Yea the men of lovingkindness, have been WITHDRAWN (acaph, gathered up, removed, evacuated, i.e., caught up to Heaven in the Rapture) No one considering, That FROM THE PRESENCE OF CALAMITY, HATH THE RIGHTEOUS BEEN WITHDRAWN (acaph, removed at the Rapture). He entereth into peace, Let them rest upon their couches,—Each one who went on a straight path. But, ye, …draw near hither, Ye sons of divination,—Ye seed of an adulterer when your mother committed unchastity! Against whom would ye disport yourselves? Against whom would ye widen the mouth and lengthen the tongue,—Are not, ye, Children of transgression, A Seed of falsehood. Who inflame yourselves With the terebinths, Under every green tree—Slaying the children, In the torrent-valleys, Under the clefts of the crags: Among the smooth stones of the torrent—valley, is thy portion."

Isa. 57:1 (LXX) says, "the righteous has been REMOVED out of the way of injustice."
Isa. 57:1 (Darby) says, "the righteous is TAKEN AWAY FROM BEFORE the evil." Agape

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Click here: wise virgins or not, by Philip Newland - 6-18-02
Email: p.newland@paradise.net.nz
http://www.fivedoves.com/latterdayletters/showletter.php?id=1670

Earlier this week, I was seeking God regarding the Rapture. Previously, I thought that I needed to be in the group of 5 wise virgins to be taken in the rapture. As I was meditating on this, the thought dropped into my head that the 10 virgins were all Jews. The 5 wise ones were the messianic Jews & the 5 foolish ones were the Jews yet to believe. I need to be in the group called THE BRIDE of CHRIST to be taken in the rapture. I think the 10 Virgins and the Bride are 2 separate and distinct groups. It may be that the 5 wise virgins (Messianic Jews) are also raptured when the Bride is raptured but I dont know. This suggests that ALL real Christians will be taken at the rapture. My definition of a real Christian is someone who believes that Jesus is the Son of God, has asked Jesus to forgive their sins and trys to live according to Gods principles as taught in the Bible. God Bless

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> > the 10 virgins were all Jews. The 5 wise ones were the messianic Jews & the 5 foolish ones were the Jews yet to believe. I need to be in the group called THE BRIDE of CHRIST to be taken in the rapture. I think the 10 Virgins and the Bride are 2 separate and distinct groups. It may be that the 5 wise virgins (Messianic Jews) are also raptured when the Bride is raptured but I dont know. This suggests that ALL real Christians will be taken at the rapture.

The wise virgins represent the Bride of Christ, including both Jews and Gentiles, and the foolish virgins will be left behind at the 1st Rapture (first trump of God, the Pre-Trib Rapture, I Thess. 4:13-18). They will be caught up in the 2nd Rapture (second trump of God, the Pre-Wrath Rapture, I Cor. 15:51,52).

Rom 12:5 says, "we, being many, are ONE BODY in Christ, and every one members one of another." 1Co 12:13 says, "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into ONE BODY, whether we be JEWS OR GENTILES, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit." Eph 2:16 says, "that he might reconcile both unto God in ONE BODY by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby."

Don't forget that Moses, the prophets, John the Baptist, Jesus, Peter, Andrew, John, Philip, James, Bartholomew, Thomas, Matthew, Simon, Jude, James, Paul and many more disciples were all Jews. The Israelites were those chosen to bring the Scriptures and the Saviour to the world. 1Co 10:11 says, "Now all these things happened unto them (Israel) for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (aionos, ages) are come." Agape

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Re: Two Raptures - By Blanche.htm - 6-20-02
http://www.fivedoves.com/latterdayletters/showletter.php?id=1792
And he causeth ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads and that NO man might buy or sell, SAVE he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Revelation 13:16-17. KJV

The bible says during the reign of the antichrist anyone without the mark cannot buy or sell. If someone cannot buy or sell that simply means the person cannot exist. That means eveyone without the mark will be killed in the beginning of the reign of the antichrist leaving behind NO one to be raptured later.

That gives something to think about for those who talk about ten raptures! In Christ, Blanche.

My reply

> > If someone cannot buy or sell that simply means the person cannot exist.

Don't kid yourself. People will be forced to barter for goods and services.

> > eveyone without the mark will be killed in the beginning of the reign of the antichrist leaving behind NO one to be raptured later

The 6th seal will be broken on the last day of this age (Rev. 6:12). When 6 PM comes, it will be the Feast of Trumpets, when the 7 trumpet judgments will hit Earth. The asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 will not impact Earth until noon (see Zeph. 2:1-5 below). Rev. 6:17 says, "the great day of his wrath is come." The 7th seal is broken in Rev. 8.

There sits Rev. 7, right between the breaking of the last 2 seals. There will be 144,000 Israelites plus "a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues" caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture (Rev. 7:9,14).

I am surprised that you missed it. Rev. 14-17 is very clear. It says, "THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

Zeph. 2:1-5 says, "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired (Israel); Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you (before the 7 trumpet judgments hit Earth). Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; SEEK RIGHTEOUSNESS, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be HID (i.e., be caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Wrath Rapture) in the day of the LORD'S anger (i.e., on the Feast of Trumpets). For Gaza (strong, a goat) shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon (migration, i.e., bedouins, nomadic Arabs) a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod (theft) at the NOON day, and Ekron (barrenness, torn away) shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast." Agape

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