Pro and Con 922

Posted 6-30-02

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WoW..what a powerful reply to the Rich guy. I will be in on-going prayer for him, all day today, as I go about my work.

...I use my greenhouse as kind of a Mission Station. People come back to look at my vegetable garden, etc. and always end up in the grreenhouse. I keep tracts, etc. there for witness. I also felt led by the Lord to keep many bottles of water, for possible use by those left after the Rapture. And a note saying that it was the Lord who put it on my heart to plant the large garden ( 40 tomato plants, corn, beans, celery, cucumber, etc); so that people in our neighborhood who are left after the Rapture may be assured of some food and water. Well..the greenhouse had been other than orderly. I kept thinking, "Wish I had time to straighten it up properly, so that post-Rapture people wouldn't see this disorder."

Then..a few days ago, the freezer in the greenhouse stopped working. So..we had to pull out the freezer and that provided a perfect opportunity to do a mass clean-up. I was so happy and rejoicing during that 'clean-up'! "Thank You Lord", I was saying, "for making the freezer quit!"

I love thinking that 'things started in a garden' and for me things on earth can end in a garden. In His Love

My reply

Thanks for your kind words and prayers for Rich.

I hadn't thought of planting a garden for the people left behind. What a nice idea. You must be in an area that gets enough rain or have automatic irrigation...Agape

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From: Rich
Thanks. I'll be looking at the scriptures you posted to see what you've done with them. Until July 19th.
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SUPERVOLCANOES pt 1: http://www.jvim.com/cgi-bin/update.cgi

BBC 6-29-02 "Hidden deep beneath the Earth's surface lie one of the most destructive and yet least-understood natural phenomena in the world - super volcanoes. Only a handful exists in the world but when one erupts it will be unlike any volcano we have ever witnessed. The explosion will be heard around the world. The sky will darken, black rain will fall, and the Earth will be plunged into the equivalent of a nuclear winter.

Normal volcanoes are formed by a column of magma - molten rock - rising from deep within the Earth, erupting on the surface, and hardening in layers down the sides. This forms the familiar cone shaped mountain we associate with volcanoes. Super volcanoes, however, begin life when magma rises from the mantle to create a boiling reservoir in the Earth's crust. This chamber increases to an enormous size, building up colossal pressure until it finally erupts.

The last super volcano to erupt was Toba 74,000 years ago in Sumatra. Ten thousands times bigger than Mt St Helens, it created a global catastrophe dramatically affecting life on Earth. Scientists know that another one is due - they just don't know when…. or where. SUPERVOLCANOES pt 2

It is little known that lying underneath one of America's areas of outstanding natural beauty - Yellowstone Park - is one of the largest super volcanoes in the world. Scientists have revealed that it has been on a regular eruption cycle of 600,000 years. The last eruption was 640,000 years ago…so the next is overdue.

And the sleeping giant is breathing: volcanologists have been tracking the movement of magma under the park and have calculated that in parts of Yellowstone the ground has risen over seventy centimeters this century. Is this just the harmless movement of lava, flowing from one part of the reservoir to another? Or does it presage something much more sinister, a pressurized build-up of molten lava?

Scientists have very few answers, but they do know that the impact of a Yellowstone eruption is terrifying to comprehend. Huge areas of the USA would be destroyed, the US economy would probably collapse, and thousands might die.

And it would devastate the planet. Climatologists now know that Toba blasted so much ash and sulphur dioxide into the stratosphere that it blocked out the sun, causing the Earth's temperature to plummet...."
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EU CONCERNED THE U.S. IS ABANDONING MIDEAST PEACE DRIVE
http://www.jvim.com/cgi-bin/update.cgi
6-29-02 "The European Union said Friday the Mideast peace process must continue and said it will discuss with U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell next week ideas to curb violence in the region and help the Palestinians prepare for elections.

'I think it is important that the peace process continues,' said Danish Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller, whose country assumes the EU's rotating presidency on Monday....

President Bush called for reforms, charging the Palestinian Authority was plagued with corruption and tainted with terrorism. Without referring to Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat by name, he said new Palestinian leaders should emerge who were 'not compromised by terror.'

That speech 'has left us with a gap of six months' until the Palestinians vote in presidential and legislative elections, said the Danish official.

'We are working on a plan to fill that gap. Now there is no one (on the Palestinian side) to negotiate with. That keeps us in a very dangerous situation. The EU should be helpful in that period.'…" ---
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/020626/161/1r77c.html

G8 leaders pose against a Canadian Rocky Mountain backdrop at Kananaskis June 26, 2002. Left to right are Italian President Silvio Berlusconi, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, U.S. President George Bush, French President Jacques Chirac, Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien, Russian President Vladimir Putin, U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair, Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi, Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar of the EU Council and European Commission President Romano Prodi. (Sergey Karpukhin/Reuters)

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Subject: The Pope
I was just thinking how big an event the next pope will be. This pope has been ill for so long and he still draws a big crowd and the media cover his actions. If a new pope arrives that is dynamic, you can imagine the impact. I was also very interesting to see the l0 kings pictured on the Doves site. Of course, these might not be the major kings, but I've never in my life seen a picture like it. God bless

My reply

Thanks for calling my attention to the picture. I had missed it before.

Could this Pope be the Beast of Rev. 13:2-10? Like Dr. Eby, his frailness would indicate that the Pre-Trib Rapture is soon. Maybe his frailness would have something to do with the False Prophet taking over the Beast's office Mid-Trib. However, both the Beast and False Prophet will be alive all through the Tribulation. At this stage, there may not be a way for us to be sure who either one will be. II Thess. 2:7-9 shows that the False Prophet will be revealed after we are gone. If this Pope doesn't go in the Rapture, people will have more reason to suspect him of being the Beast than now.

Question: if another Pope would be elected, do you think he could be called "ancient"? Isa 9:12-15 says, "The Syrians before, and the Philistines behind; and they shall devour Israel with open mouth. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still. For the people turneth not unto him that smiteth them, neither do they seek the LORD of hosts. Therefore the LORD will cut off from Israel head (the Beast, 6th head of the great red dragon) and tail (the Satan-possessed False Prophet, both the 7th head and the tail, Satan), branch and rush, in one day (the Day of God's Wrath). THE ANCIENT AND HONOURABLE, HE IS THE HEAD; AND THE PROPHET THAT TEACHETH LIES, HE IS THE TAIL." Agape

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Re: Pro and Con 916...6/17/02

I was scrolling down your site today and came upon the letter from a young Christian that was quite adamant in his/her position that no one could know the day or date of the rapture. The writer stated their age as 24...Ah, youth, it must be served. This writer reminded me somewhat of myself and the first time I accessed your webpage. I too, was of the belief that one should not dabble in date guessing, much less date setting, regarding the rapture. I also believed you to be off base because of the "no man knoweth the hour or the day" syndrome. But before I rushed off in judgement of you, I determined to read the whole of what you were publishing. I love to consider and contemplate the soon coming of the Lord and by the time I had read all of the permanent info and several of the Pro and Con articles on your site, I found myself really intrigued by your writings.

I ordered two of your books, "EXIT 2007" and "HEAVEN FOUND". I believe that people who access your webpage should really read it and compare what you have there with scripture.They should do this before they jump to conclusions they will regret and stop hurting a sweet Christian Lady's feelings. By so doing, they would save you and themselves some time, that could better be served combatting the real enemy...Satan!

I know you get a little tired of answering all of the detremental e-mails regarding the rapture and its timing. I wish everyone would just stop berating what you are attempting to do. I liken it to being a sports fan. We all get excited by the prospect of a big game, or the World Series, or the World Cup, as it is going on right now. No one knows the outcome of any of these sporting events before they take place, however we love to speculate on who or which team will win, even going so far as to predict scores, though we really don't have a clue, our speculation hurts no one or determines the outcome. This really helps us to look forward to these big sporting events. However on the matter of the timing of the rapture we do have clues...all found in Scripture and the signs He told us to look for after the sprouting of the Fig Tree have been with us since June of 1967.

I don't think it upsets the Lord at all, that those of us down here who love the thought of His appearing, speculate or even guess on the date, day or even the hour of His coming. In fact, I believe that He might even be quite pleased that there are many believers down here who count the days, in anticipation of his coming just like a kid counting down the days before December 25th, Christmas day. If anything, just like our parents enjoyed watching our eyes twinkle at the prospects of Christmas day, Jesus probably enjoys the fact that we eagerly look forward to His appearing.

So, Mrs. Agee, you just keep on calculating and speculating on His soon appearing and I and others will just keep on enjoying your eagerness and anticipation no matter how much it may chagrin those who think it wrong. I marvel at your patient attempts to explain it all to those who just don't get it. I am not being mean spirited, I just mean to say that I realize you aren't predicting anything, you just lay out all the evidence you have on the table, for all to see, read, enjoy or to fret over. Keep on Keepin' on and please don't lose heart in your well doing. I look forward to your new postings daily. Shalom and Maranantha

My reply

Thanks for all those kind words. I won't lose heart. I mean to be an overcomer, no matter what or how long it takes. I keep studying and learning new things. I just finished the Concordant Version's "Former Prophets" that someone very nice sent me. Certain associations came to my attention as I read. It sure is nice to be able to read different versions of the Bible and to discuss interpretation among like-minded people. We all benefit. I think God gives understanding of different passages to whom he will, and we will all get farther if we put our heads together. No one person knows it all.

II Samuel 22 sounds much like a Psalm. It is a symbolic song of David's. Remember that things happened to Israel "for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (aionos, ages) are come (1Co 10:11). Reading it, I think it places the Pre-Wrath Rapture amid more serious events than Rev. 6:12f led me to believe. See what you think.

Rev. 6:12-17 (KJV) says, "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" The Pre-Wrath Rapture follows this (Rev. 7:14).

II Samuel 4-21 (Concordant) says, "I am being saved from my enemies (Gog's army, Eze. 38). ...In my distress I called on Yahweh...He heard my voice, And my imploring before Him, it came to His ears. Then the earth reeled and quaked. And the foundations of the mountains, they were disturbed, And they reeled, for His anger grew hot. Smoke ascended from His nostrils, And fire that devours, from His mouth; Flashing embers blazed forth from Him. He stretched out the heavens and descended, And murkiness was beneath His feet. He rode on a cherub and flew; So He swooped down on the wings of the wind. He set darkness round about Him; His booth was the darkness of waters, the thick clouds of the skies. Out of the brightness in front of Him Flashing embers of fire blazed forth. Then Yahweh THUNDERED from the heavens, And the Supreme, He gave forth HIS VOICE. He sent off His arrows, with which He scattered them, And He multiplied bolts of lightning with which He discomfited them. So the channels of water were made to appear, And the foundations of the habitance (world) were revealed, By Your rebuke, O Yahweh, By the breath of the wind of Your nostrils. HE SENT FROM THE HEIGHT; HE TOOK ME; HE REMOVED ME FROM MANY WATERS; HE RESCUED ME FROM MY STRONG ENEMY And from those hating me; For they were tougher than I. They confronted me in the day of my calamity. Yet Yahweh became my Stay. HE BROUGHT ME FORTH INTO A WIDE PLACE (i.e., Heaven); He liberated (delivered) me, for He has delighted in me. Yahweh requited me according to my righteousness; According to the purity of my hands He recompensed me" (i.e., at the Judgment Seat of Christ, Rev. 11:18).

When Elijah was caught up in a whirlwind, it represents this same Pre-Wrath Rapture. II Kings 2:1-12 (Concordant) says, "when Yahweh would TAKE ELIJAH IN A TEMPEST UP TO THE HEAVENS, that Elijah (meaning God the Lord, the strong Lord) went with Elisha (salvation of God) from Gilgal (wheel, heap, rolling, i.e., Earth). Then Elijah said to Elisha, Dwell here now, for Yahweh Himself has sent me unto Bethel (the house of God). Yet Elisha replied, As Yahweh lives, and your soul lives, I ought not to forsake you. So they went down to Bethel. Now the sons of the prophets who were in Bethel came forth to Elisha and asked him, Do you know that today Yahweh is taking your lord from headship over you? He replied, I MYSELF KNOW IT too; hush! Then Elijah said to him, Elisha, dwell here now, for Yahweh Himself has sent me to Jericho (his moon, his month, i.e., Tishri 1, date of the Pre-Wrath Rapture). Yet he replied, As Yahweh lives, and your soul lives, I ought not to forsake you. So they came to Jericho. Now the sons of the prophets who were in Jericho, came close to Elisha and asked him, Do you know that today Yahweh is taking your lord from headship over you? He replied, I MYSELF KNOW IT too; hush! Then Elijah said to him, Dwell here now, for Yahweh Himself has sent me to the Jordan (the river of judgment). Yet he replied, As Yahweh lives, and your soul lives, I ought not to forsake you. So both of them went on. There were fifty men, sons of the prophets; they went and stayed aloof, far off. Yet both of them stood by the Jordan. Now Elijah took his mantile, folded it up and smote the waters; they were divided this way and that way, so that both of them went across on the drained strip. It came to be as they had gone across that Elijah himself said to Elisha, Ask what I should do for you ere I am taken from you. Elisha replied, I pray, let a double share of your spirit come to me. Elijah answered, You made it hard in asking. If you SEE ME TAKEN FROM YOU, it shall be so for you; but if you do not, it shall not come to pass. Now IT OCCURRED WHILE THEY WERE WALKING, AND SPEAKING AS THEY WALKED THAT, BEHOLD, A FIERY CHARIOT WITH FIERY HORSES APPEARED; THEY CAUSED THE TWO OF THEM TO PART, AND ELIJAH ASCENDED IN A TEMPEST TO THE HEAVENS. ELISHA WAS SEEING IT, and he was crying, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel and its horsemen! Then he saw him no more."

I think the Second Advent will be on Nisan 1, the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred year 7 months after the Day of God's Wrath (Eze. 39:12,13). II Samuel 11:1 agrees with Nisan 1. The Concordant Version says, "It came to be at the year's return (Nisan 1), THE SEASON WHEN KINGS MARCH FORTH." The footnote says, "the year's return: i.e., IN THE SPRING." Agape

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Re: 6001.MJRood
I would like an order of fries, a large Coke, and an evil woman in a basket. Make that to go please… And be sure to put a lead lid on that basket!

I found this interesting and wanted your take on it.

Hi...I haven't written you in ages, but I keep up on your PC's. The best part is somewhere in the middle concerning the Hebrew word "Aisha"

(The following is by Michael John Rood.)
...The 20 cubit length of this megillah is twice the 10 breadth, which would make this look more like a soup can, than a scroll. But if the 10 cubit breadth is describing the circumference – such as the 12 cubit circumference of the brazen pillars of Solomon's Temple - then we have the dimensions of a traditional megillah. Translating these dimensions into a standard measurement for the United States:

I see a flying scroll; 34.3 feet long, and 5.5 feet in diameter....

...Now, I must remind you of the scenario. I am laying in bed on the Sabbath during the Feast of Tabernacles in Jerusalem. I am scribbling in the oversized margins of my freshly printed 8.5 X 11 inch paper, as I am translating this text without so much as a dictionary with me. I am seeing a picture develop that I had never entertained in the thirty years that I have been studying the prophet. I came to this verse, sat up in bed and shouted out, "This is not a woman – this is a fire. This is not a woman in a basket – this is a fire in a container." Going down a couple verses I said, "These are not two women, these are two fires."

Now, I know what a hare-brained idea is. I have had more than my share. But I saw something that did not come from my mind at that moment. I have had a few experiences in my life when I was given a revelation so clear that I can still tell you the day, hour and moment that it occurred. It is infrequent enough that each incident changed my life. This was one of those moments.

I got out of bed and sat at my desk as I re-wrote the entire translation onto a fresh sheet of paper. I got dressed and went out to the sukkah where Chaim, Cohen, and David were all there studying together. I interrupted them by my insistence that they listen to what I had been working on. I started by saying that I was going to do something very strange – I am going to replace the word "woman' with the word "fire'. David was not very happy with that idea, "You can't do that – what is the Hebrew word?" David is an attorney, and his yeshiva training was not going to allow for any nonsense. I told him, "I don't know what the Hebrew word is - I just want you to listen to what I am seeing here." David finally agreed to hear me out.

When I finished reading everyone was stunned. David said, "OK, let's find out what it says in Hebrew. Chaim read down the page, paused, and looked up at us, "It is the word "aisha'." David said, "it is a fire offering." That is the moment that I knew that this had come by revelation, and not by my mind. I was not smart enough to know this, nor did I have the tools in my hand to figure it out. "Aisha' also happens to be "woman', but the context determines the meaning.

For centuries, men had followed each others translations and completely missed the point of Zechariah's vision. Now, I hope that you will take me seriously as we continue. I did not start out by saying, "The Lord told me…" because until that moment when Chaim and David confirmed the Hebrew, I wasn't certain. I took you through this chain of events so that you can judge for yourself the validity of what I am about to show you.

7 Then I saw a mass of lead and a fire offering, as it was lifted up and secured in the container. 8 And he said, "This fire that you see being put in the container, is an evil fire offering." Then he secured the fire offering in the container and put the lead mass in the opening.

The container in which this mass of lead and fire offering is placed is 34.3 feet long and 5.5 feet in diameter. It flies. It will completely consume the homes of the disobedient in the land of Israel – including all of the wood and the stones. This fire offering is evil and it is encased in lead. That, my friends, is a missile with a nuclear warhead poised to strike the land of Israel. Swallow hard.

Non-critical masses of U-235 uranium or other fissionable materials are encased in lead to protect friendly personnel from contamination before detonation. When the warhead is activated, a controlled explosion propels the non-critical masses together to reach critical mass. That creates the evil fire that produces a holocaust – a burnt offering of everything in the path of the fireball. Moments later, the vacuum left from the departing fireball sucks the smoke and debris back into the void, and a pillar of fire and smoke shoots up into the stratosphere, darkening the sun, moon, and stars. (See "The Mystery of Iniquity' by Michael John Rood; appendix VI - Modern Warfare Technology in the Book of Revelation: Bridge-Logos publishers, available through www.6001.com)

Now the vision makes sense. The precursor to the upcoming war detailed in the 12 chapter, is the development and deployment of nuclear missiles against the land of Israel....

The angel gives specific details to Zechariah so that we would know the things that must come to pass in the last days. And the internet will allow the correct translation of 'aisha' to cover the world in a moment of time....

9 Then I looked up and saw as two fires came out of the container, and the fires caused the wind to lift the container by its "stork like' wings, from the earth into the sky.

Zechariah saw two fires come out of the container that propelled the missile into the sky. A two stage nuclear missile is a very common bird among the nuclear arsenals of the world....

Finally, Zechariah asks a question of the angel that is absolutely critical for our understanding.

10 Then I asked the angel, "Where are they taking the container?" 11 And he said,

"To establish a base for it, and set it up in the land of Shinar."

The land of Shinar is present day Iraq! The land of Shinar is present day Iraq!!

During the 1980's, the Iraqis built a nuclear warhead production facility. Israel knew that Iraq would attack at the earliest occasion, so Israel made a pre-emptive strike and bombed the nuclear plant into a pile of rubble. The U.N. and U.S. whined like spoiled two year old children because Israel took this situation into their own hands – against the wishes of the New World Order. Iraq knew that it would be impossible to rebuild its nuclear arsenal within striking distance of Israel's fighter/bombers. Soon after, the U.S. media reported that several Iraqi nuclear scientists "defected' to Pakistan. Untold millions of Iraqi dollars also "defected' to Pakistan. The Pakis successfully tested their first nuclear warhead a few years later, and now the Pakis and the Indians are rattling their nuclear sabers as their troops prepare for war....

the front cover of Scientific American magazine caught my attention with a glowing nuclear fireball that resembled our media passes for "Last Great Day Productions." The feature article: 'India, Pakistan, and the Bomb'. On page eighty-one I found a detailed comparison of India's nuclear missiles to those of Pakistan. A man was depicted at the foot of a Paki missile as a scale comparison. The missile appears to be about 35 feet tall and about five and a half feet in diameter. The missiles that Iraqi technology and money helped to produce are the same dimensions as the missile that Zechariah saw by revelation nearly 2,500 years ago....

My reply

Thanks. I am interested in how Michael Rood interpreted Zech. 5. He mentioned that it would go worldwide on the Internet. Of course it will, and I think he is wrong. The two sections of Zech. 5 are not even remotely talking about the same thing.

Notice that in 5:2, Zech. answered that he saw a flying roll. He was able to describe it. If he had seen the same thing in 5:6, he would have said that he saw a flying roll. Instead, he said, "What is it?" He didn't recognize it. Instead of a flying rolling thing, he saw in 5:6 an ephah, the largest wheat measure.

I think the flying rolling thing is a binary asteroid that is twice as long as it is wide. Michael Rood changes the dimensions to "34.3 feet long, and 5.5 feet in diameter," when Scripture says it is twice as long as wide. I think it is twice as long as wide and will break into two pieces at the Roche Limit, about 11,000 miles out. The flaming mountain-sized piece will hit the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5). The larger flaming "aster" of Rev. 8:10 will destroy Babylon. Rev. 18:21 says, "a mighty angel took up A STONE LIKE A GREAT MILLSTONE, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Zec 5:1-4 (KJV) says, "Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll (megillah, flying rolling thing; i.e., a binary asteroid that rotates as it orbits). And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits. Then said he unto me, THIS IS THE CURSE THAT GOETH FORTH (orbits) OVER THE FACE OF THE WHOLE EARTH: for every one that stealeth (breaking one of the 10 commandments) shall be cut off as on this side (the burning mountain piece will be cast into the Mediterranean; Rev. 8:8) according to it (as Moses broke 1 stone tablet of the 10 commandments); and every one that sweareth (breaking another commandment) shall be cut off as on that side (the 'aster' of Rev. 8:10 will destroy Babylon) according to it (as Moses broke the other stone tablet of the 10 commandments). I will bring it (the 'aster' of Rev. 8:10 that will destroy Babylon) forth, saith the LORD of hosts (Christ, Isa. 44:6), and it shall enter into the house of the thief (the False Prophet, a thief like Judas Iscariot), and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name (the Pope, who claims infallibility): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."

Zec 5:5-11 (KJV) says, "Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes (again), and see what is this that goeth forth. And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah (largest wheat measure; believers are wheat) that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth (i.e., this is the world church). And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman (harlot church of Rev. 17) that sitteth in the midst of the ephah (the world church). And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah (the world church); and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth (the Pope, the spokesman) thereof. Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women (two religious groups), and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah (the harlot church of Rev. 17, housed in Vatican City)? And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar (Babylon): and it shall be established, and set there (becoming the harlot church of Rev. 18) upon her own base" (the Tower of Babel). Agape

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