Pro and Con 925

Posted 7-8-02

The weeping Wailing-Wall stone is near the center of the wall, not in the face.
Western Wall 'leak' prompts speculation

7-4-02...For five days now people have been gathering to wonder at a small damp patch that has appeared on one of the giant stone slabs...

The phenomenon is undeniably unnatural - it is now the height of summer in Jerusalem and there has not been a drop of rain since May....

"There is a prophecy that everybody knows, that states that when water comes through the stones of the wall it presages the advent of the Messiah," Rabbi Menachem Fromann told the newspaper.

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Marilyn, We have been watching and waiting for quite sometime now but the Lord wasn"t quite ready to allow us to see all of the picture. I found that picture last night and felt it was perfect and sent it to 5 Doves and John right away never noticing the other face....the bride!! How absolutely fantastic. Great news! Soon we will all be going home! Agape Peg

From 5 Doves

I didn't see faces on the wall. Looked twice.

My reply


Look at the small picture first. Don't get up too close. You will see too many details to pick the faces out easily. I cropped it so the two faces look like they are ready to frame. The girl is shorter and is peeking at us from behind the man. Her forehead is a bright spot to the right of the man's forehead. Her whole face is there except one eye.

Now look at the larger picture. The man's chin is surrounded by 3 dark plants and is centered on the wall. The girl is looking at us from behind him. Agape

From 5 Doves site

From: Bernie
"Re: Marilyn Agee's Response," Posted: 6-27-02
From Marilyn Agee:
My comments are interspersed in your e-mail and marked ***.

~Luke 13:5-8 A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down....

~Marilyn, do I correctly understand what you are saying? Is this your position on the parable in Luke?
Namely: The church has been in testing since 1998.

***I think the church is being tested, but that doesn't spring from the parable of the barren fig tree. Symbolically, Israel is the fig tree nation, and her people that accept Y'shua are firstfruits. Joel 1:7,9 says that Babylon "hath laid my vine waste, and barked MY FIG TREE: he hath made it clean bare, and cast it away...The meat-offering and the drink-offering is cut off from the house of the LORD." Hosea 9:10 says, "I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the FIRSTRIPE IN THE FIG TREE at her FIRST TIME: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame."

***As a nation, Israel still has no fruit, but she will produce fruit during the Tribulation. Rev. 12:17 says, "the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." At the junction of this age and the beginning of the millennial Day of the Lord, the nation will be saved in a day (Isa. 66:8).

***I'll give you my opinion concerning the church in the 4 years mentioned in the parable. In 1998, which I think was the 6000th year of mankind's test being mortal and knowing both good and evil, an interim period began between the 6000th year and the beginning of the Tribulation. It seems to be both Israel's grace years before the 70th week of Daniel begins and the "space to repent" for the church before the Pre-Trib Rapture takes place. Rev. 2:21,23 speaks of Thyatira (meaning the castle of Thya, dominating female, I bruise or I disturb), where Nicolaitanism, the setting up of a heirarchy of priests lording it over the laity, prevails. This God hates (Rev. 2:6).

***In Rev. 2:21-23, Jesus says, "I gave her SPACE TO REPENT of her fornication (joining with pagan religions); and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery (join) with her (in the World Church) into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."

***The number 40 means testing and probation. That might also apply to a 4-year period. Jesus said that Satan had desired to sift believers like wheat in a sieve. In Luke 22:31, "the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat."

~Those who pass the test might go in a first rapture in 2002; these folks are the 3rd temple.

***I sure hope we will be caught up in 2002. In Rev. 3:12, Jesus said of the Philadelphians, "Him that overcometh will I make A PILLAR IN THE TEMPLE OF MY GOD, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."

***The temple had two brass (bronze) pillars at the entrance, Jachin (meaning he will establish, strengthen and make steadfast) and Boaz (quickly), just as there are two Raptures that catch people up quickly (Rev. 2:5; 22:20).

~Others, who fail this four-year test, will be raptured 5 years later, in 2007.

***If they are believers.

~Israel has been tested for the same period and they did not bear fruit and will be cut down in 2002.

***No. Israel is there to stay. This is the 4th year, when she is being dug about and dunged. If this doesn't cause her to turn to God and bear fruit, the Tribulation will chop away at her, but not do away with her entirely.

~The four-year testing period began in 1998 which is proved by applying the "modern parallels" to interpret Luke 13. 480 years added to Martin Luther's Protest of 1517 = 1998.

***I wouldn't say it proved it, but it agrees with that interpretation. 480 years added to the Jewish 5278 equals 5758 (our 1997/1998).

~Jesus cursed a fig tree in Matthew and it withered away. This proves the tree in Luke could not be cut down in the fourth year as it had already withered over in Matthew's parable. However, the withered tree received new life in 1998.

***The fig tree that withered away during Passion Week in 30 AD represented Israel of that day. It had 40 years of testing and probation, then it withered away.

***The fig tree in the parable of Mt. 24:32-34 is the one that was grafted into her old rootstock May 14, 1948.

~We have been in the tribulation for the past two years, five years remain. The tribulation started on September 30, 2000 and will go to September 13, 2007 (a total of 2,539 days which is 7 prophetic years plus 19 days)

***We seem to be in the 7 bad years of drought, yet I don't think the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 has begun. The covenant hasn't been strengthened with "many" yet. I expect the UN or EU to represent the "many."

***Israel is in their 3rd year of drought already since they got rain Jan. 7, 2000, and Moses and Elijah haven't arrived yet. During their 1260-day ministry, it probably won't rain. They have the power to "shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy" (Rev. 11:6). I have a feeling that they will arrive as we are caught up in the Rapture....

***The Tribulation can't begin until after the 1st Rapture takes place. After that, Christ is given the 7-sealed Title Deed to the Earth (Rev. 5:1). The Tribulation starts as Christ breaks the first seal in Rev. 6. The Great Tribulation is to be shortened (Mt. 24:21,22).

***Thus the 7 years of drought do not seem to be synonymous with the 7 years of The Tribulation. The Tribulation can start after drought is in progress.

~A strengthening of a 7-year covenant at the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel (in September 2000) was not required because it is strengthened later when the tribulation begins?

***I don't think the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 has yet begun. I expect it to start when the Tribulation begins.

~The great tribulation of 3 1/2 years or 1260 days as described in Daniel and Revelation, is shortened to 623 days.

***If the Rapture takes place Av 10, 5762, July 19, 2002, the number of days from then to Sept. 13, 2007 is 1882 days. 1882 - 1260 = 622 days for the shortened Great Tribulation.

~Martin Luther's Protest of 1517 is a type of the rapture.

***How do you figure that? From his standpoint, Martin Luther kick-started the Reformation accidentally on Oct. 31, 1517. He didn't even mean to leave the Catholic Church, although it turned out that way. He just wanted to discuss what he had learned, mainly that Scripture taught that the just are saved by faith, not works. The only Scripture I can think of that might tie in is Rev. 18:4, but it refers to the 2nd Rapture and the World Church headquartered at Babylon in Iraq. It says, "I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Oh yes, Martin Luther did call the Catholic Church "Babylon."

***Something else happened in 1517. The Ottoman Turks took over Jerusalem in the Jewish 5278 (1517) on their drive into Egypt. Both Palestine and Egypt became Ottoman provinces at that time.

***Jerusalem was freed exactly 400 years later, on Oct. 31, 1917, when Jerusalem surrendered to the British Lord, General Edmund Allenby without a shot being fired. He dropped information sheets from a plane and signed them Lord Allenby. Because of a belief they had that they would lose Jerusalem when a man of God came, the Turks fled. The people welcomed Allenby as their liberator. That was the 1st fulfillment of a Modern Parallel. The next fulfillment came when Israel became a nation in 5708 (1947/1948), in the 430th year since 1517. The 3rd fulfillment came 450 years after 1517, in 5728 (1967/1968). The Six-Day War was the Sign of the End of the Age. Israel grew leaves in that war fulfilling the fig tree parable in Mt. 24:32-34. That it was a war was shown by the fig tree parable in Luke 21. Since 3 of the blocks of years in the 400s were fulfilled on time, we should expect the other 3 to be fulfilled on time.

***The 480 years from 5278 (1517) brings us to 5758 (1997/1998). That may have been the 6000th year since Adam left the Garden of Eden and the beginning of the 4 years in the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9. The 483 years brings us to 5761 (2000/2001). It may have been the beginning of the 7 years of drought. The 490 years takes us to the Day of God's Wrath on Tishri 1, 5768 and the Second Advent on the following Nisan 1, 5768.

~The end of the last 40 years of this Age is the Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1 - and after 7 months Second Advent, Nisan 1, 5768 (Jesus returns 7 months after the day of God's wrath)

***It looks that way to me. Agape

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Being killed during the Tribulation is NOT being raptured. The rapture is pre trib...and it is the fullness of the gentiles. And we shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye...
You posts about multiple raptures are simply you opinion... not biblical.

My reply

Sure, all my interpretations are my opinions. I take it that yours are the same. We are human and can make mistakes. That's why we need the Bible. Let's see what we can glean from Scripture. It is our only anchor of truth, and Jesus said, "take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things" (Mark 13:23). The answers are there, but the information is "precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken" (Isa 28:13). Only the wise (wise virgins?) will be able to put the puzzle pieces together and understand (Dan. 12:10).

I Thess. 4:13-18 shows us that a Rapture will happen at the FIRST TRUMP. Verses 16 and 17 say, "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

I Cor. 15:51-53 shows us that a Rapture will happen at the LAST TRUMP. There can't be a last trump unless there is a previous first trump. It says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

In Num 10:2-4, the Lord said to Moses, "Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly (as saints called to the 'general heaven,' Heb. 12:23), and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them (i.e., both), all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door (symbol of a Rapture, Rev. 3:8) of the tabernacle (dwelling place of God) of the congregation (mowed, assembly, set feast, set time). And if they blow but with ONE TRUMPET (i.e., the FIRST TRUMP), then the princes (12 patriarches and 12 apostles), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather (yaad, be summoned at a set time, TO BETROTH FOR MARRIAGE) themselves unto thee." The first trump will call up the Bride of Christ.

The 24 elders are gathered at the FIRST TRUMP. Therefore, they are part of the Bride of Christ. Rev. 4:1-4 says, "After this (Jesus' view of the church when the Rapture is "at hand," 1:3; 22:10) I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the FIRST voice (Christ's, 1:10) which I heard was as it were of a TRUMPET talking with me (John, one of the 24 elders); which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone (the first and last stones in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus Christ is the first and the last, 1:11; 22:13): and there was a rainbow round about the throne (Saturn), in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone, i.e., Jesus is of the tribe of Judah). And round about the throne were four and twenty seats (lit., thrones): and upon the seats I saw four and twenty (John plus the other 23) ELDERS sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."

In Rev. 11:12, we find out what happens when "a great voice from heaven" says, "COME UP HITHER...THEY ASCENDED UP TO HEAVEN."

After the FIRST TRUMP RAPTURE, Jesus Christ is given the Title Deed of the Earth. Then the elders (24 Israelites) offer the prayers of "saints. And they (the saints) sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION; AND HAST MADE US UNTO OUR GOD KINGS AND PRIESTS: and we shall reign on (epi, over) the earth" (5:9,10).

According to your stated opinion, you probably think this is the only Rapture, never mind that that would roll the FIRST TRUMP and the LAST TRUMP together. Remember what Nu. 10:1-3 said, "Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use THEM(i.e., BOTH) for the calling of the assembly (as saints called to the 'general heaven,' Heb. 12:23), and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with THEM (i.e., BOTH), ALL THE ASSEMBLY SHALL ASSEMBLE THEMSELVES TO THEE AT THE DOOR (symbol of a Rapture, Rev. 3:8) of the tabernacle (dwelling place of God) of the congregation (mowed, assembly, set feast)."

Why are both trumpets blown when all are called to the general assembly in Heaven? Heb 12:22-24 says, "YE ARE COME UNTO mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, and to an innumerable company of angels, TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ('festal assembly,' Thayer) and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and TO THE SPIRITS OF JUST MEN MADE PERFECT, And to Jesus."

Two trumpets are blown because there are two groups of saints to be called. One group is from Earth (the Tribulation saints, caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture). The other group is from Heaven (those previously caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture). Mt. 24:31 says of those already in Heaven, "he shall send his angels with a great sound of A TRUMPET, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

Mar 13:27 says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Tribulation saints) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN" (those previously caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture).

When will the Pre-Wrath Rapture take place? Mt. 24:30 says it is after the appearance of "the SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN IN HEAVEN." Mark 13:26 says it is after "they see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS."

Psa 50:1-6 says, "The mighty God (Christ, Isa. 9:6), even the LORD (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer, Isa. 44:6), hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof. Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined. Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. HE SHALL CALL TO THE HEAVENS (to gather those caught up previously in the Pre-Trib Rapture) FROM ABOVE, AND TO THE EARTH (to gather the Tribulation saints in the Pre-Wrath Rapture), that he may judge his people (at the Judgment Seat of Christ). Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice (Jesus Christ's). And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God ('The mighty God,' Christ, Isa. 9:6) is judge himself. Selah" (pause and think of that). This gathering is the "festal assembly" (Thayer) on the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ.

Joh 5:22 says, "the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son." 2Co 5:10 says, "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."

When the LAST TRUMP sounds to call up the Tribulation saints, the 144,000 Israelites of Rev. 7 are sealed, probably because they are the only ones of the Tribulation saints that are added to the Bride of Christ. Rev. 14:1-5 says, "I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion (in Heaven), and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard A VOICE FROM HEAVEN, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they (the 144,000) sung AS IT WERE A NEW SONG before the throne (in Heaven), and before the four beasts, and the elders (caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture): and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH (after the 6th seal is broken, 6:12). These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for THEY ARE WITHOUT FAULT BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD."

At the 1st Rapture, I Thess. 4:17 says, "and so shall we ever be with the Lord. At the 2nd Rapture, Rev. 14:4 says, "These (the 144,000) are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth."

The 144,000 are caught up to Heaven after the 6th seal is broken (6:12) and after "the great day of his wrath is come" at 6 PM on the last day of this age(6:17), but before the breaking of the 7th seal (8:1) releases the 7 trumpet judgments on Earth. The asteroid of 8:8 impacts the Mediterranean Sea at noon, so the 2nd Rapture takes place during the night or morning of the Feast of Trumpets (plural). The 2 trumps of God sound to call the saints from one end of heaven to the other, and one end of the Earth to the other, to the "general heaven" (Heb. 12:23), where Christ will be crowned with his golden crown and where the Marriage of the Lamb and the Judgment Seat of Christ will follow His Coronation.

Zeph. 2:2-5 says, "Before the decree bring forth, before the day (Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets, Day of God's Wrath) pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid (cathar, be absent, i.e., be caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture) IN THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast."

On this Feast of Trumpets, John and the other elders are around the throne in Heaven. In 7:9-17, John says, "After this (after the 144,000 are sealed) I beheld, and, lo, A GREAT MULTITUDE, WHICH NO MAN COULD NUMBER, OF ALL NATIONS, AND KINDREDS, AND PEOPLE, AND TONGUES, STOOD BEFORE THE THRONE, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation (soteria, rescue, safety) to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb."

Who is this great multitude out of all nations? Rev. 7:14,15 tells us. It says, "THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb (i.e., foolish virgins that got left behind the 1st time have confessed their sins, I John 1:9). Therefore are they before the throne of God (in Heaven), and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them."

There are some that stand before the throne in Heaven before the 1st seal is broken. There are others that stand before the throne in Heaven before the 7th seal is broken. The two groups appear before the throne at different times, i.e., at the two Raptures.

1Co 6:2,3 says, "Do ye not know that THE SAINTS SHALL JUDGE THE WORLD? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?" Those of the 1st Rapture are made "kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, over) the earth" (Rev. 5:10).

Rev. 20:4-6 tells us about one more group, the martyrs. John said, "I saw thrones, and they (the saints) sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them (the saints): AND (i.e., besides the elders and the saints that were already seated on thrones) I SAW THE SOULS OF THEM THAT WERE BEHEADED for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

Nothing tells us that all of the Tribulation saints will be martyred. Rev. 12 tells us of a group of Israelites "which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev. 12:17) that will flee to the wilderness (Petra) to escape being killed by Satan. They will be caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture without dying first. Agape

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Re: First Resurrection
God's Blessings on you and Ed - it's wonderful how you draw from His strength!

This is probably going to be a bit vague, but I hope you will understand my query?

In Church last night the Pastor dealt with the passage in Matthew detailing the Final Judgement. The following verse says "the blessed of my Father" - Mat 25:34 (YLT) "Then shall the king say to those on his right hand, Come ye, the blessed of my Father, inherit the reign that hath been prepared for you from the foundation of the world;"

I had just the same afternoon read Revelation 20. I have put all the verses below - I hope the underlined verses are clear (:4-:6)

...Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years; Rev 20:5 and the rest of the dead did not live again till the thousand years may be finished; this is the first rising again. Rev 20:6 Happy and holy is he who is having part in the first rising again; over these the second death hath not authority, but they shall be priests of God and of the Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years....

My query: Both passages deal with the Final Great White Throne Judgement. Those of us who have accepted Jesus into our lives through Faith are exempt from this Judgement? I'm not too clear on what is meant by the "First Resurrection" - because which resurrection is taking place when the dead rise and then we meet with them with Jesus in the clouds - do the pre-wrath saints also form part of the First Resurrection but just later? And with the sheep and the goats - are these those who remained dead for the 1000 yrs and now Jesus separates them after fair judgement according to their deeds? Mat 25:34 does say "blessed of my Father" and not "those who recieved Jesus as their personal Saviour" - does it possibly imply that unsaved dead can still be judged and accepted into Heaven based on their deeds - maybe they were good people, but never heard the Gospel and were never given a chance to choose Jesus of know Him personally? and God is the ultimate fair judge.

Could you maybe explain these concepts to me more clearly when you have a chance - I'm just wondering actually who the sheep and goats are if the bride is taken at the rapture? In Jesus

My reply


Jesus came the first time and introduced a new era. Just before its end, there will be a judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ. It will take place in Heaven. We will receive our rewards. The unbelievers on Earth will receive their just rewards for their unbelief and evil deeds, the 7 trumpet judgments.

That terror of all terrors will stop the terrorists. Eze 32:23 says, "Whose graves are set in the sides of the pit, and her company is round about her grave: all of them slain, fallen by the sword (I think the Sword of the Lord is the binary asteroid, Rev. 8:8,10), which caused TERROR in the land of the living."

Rev. 11:17-19 (KJV) explains, "We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art (on the Day of God that begins the Millennium), and wast (at the First Advent), and art to come (at the Second Advent, still 7 months future, Eze. 39:12,13); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned (first thing on the agenda that day is the Coronation of Christ). And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead (all up to this time are part of the First Resurrection, which takes place in ranks, I Cor. 15:23), that they should be judged (the Judgment Seat of Christ), and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great (all these are in Heaven); AND shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth (the 7 trumpet judgments will hit Earth). And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament (in it were the 2 stone tablets with the 10 commandments on them; I think they represent the 2 asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10, the consequences of not obeying God): and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake (worldwide, Eze. 38:20; Rev. 16:18,19), and great hail."

All the saints of the First Resurrection are in Heaven when the 7 trumpet judgments hit Earth. The Body of Christ is caught up in ranks. 1Co 15:23 says, "But every man in his own order (tagmati, rank): Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."


1ST RANK: ISRAEL. Jesus, an Israelite, ascended on Resurrection Day. He went "into heaven appear in the presence of God for us" (Heb. 9:24). He took with him OT Israelites that came out of their graves after He was resurrected, (Mt. 27:52,53). He returned to Earth later the same day, waited 40 days while the disciples were being tested and then ascended.

2ND RANK: CHURCH, FIRST TRUMP, PRE-TRIB RAPTURE. The church was born when the Spirit of Christ (Rom. 8:9) descended to indwell believers on Pentecost 10 days after Ascension Day. All were one body, Jews, Gentiles, Greeks, males, and females all became one in Christ. The 2nd rank will be the first trump, the Pre-Trib Rapture for the wise Philadelphian virgin Bride of Christ.

The 2 silver trumpets of Nu. 10:1-4 prefigure the first and last trumps.

3RD RANK: 144,000 ISRAELITES PLUS A GREAT MULTITUDE OF ALL NATIONS, LAST TRUMP, PRE-WRATH RAPTURE. The foolish Laodicean virgins are part of the great multitude. The last trump will call up all believers at the Pre-Wrath Rapture at the end of Israel's 40 years of testing and probation.

Mt. 25:34 is talking about the Judgment of the Nations. It takes place on Earth after Christ's Second Advent. The sheep are the people that will live on into the Millennium on Earth.


The millennial Day of the Lord will start a new era. It too will end in judgment, the Great White Throne Judgment. The saints that are judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ will not be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment. All those that have not believed in the Redeemer suffer the second death at the Great White Throne Judgment. Their works will not be enough to save them. Agape

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