Pro and Con 927

Posted 6-14-02

A SIGN, GOD'S EARLY WARNING OF THE COMING ASTEROID IMPACT IN THE MEDITERRANEAN SEA ON THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH (Rev. 8:8; (Zeph. 2:4,5)

ASTEROID IMPACT SET OFF HIROSHIMA-SIZED AIR BLAST ON JUNE 6
Early Warning Center For Asteroids Needed Says USAF
By Marc Selinger, Aerospace Daily, From James Oberg, 7-11-02 http://www.rense.com/general27/asteroidimpactsetoff.htm

The Department of Defense should set up an early warning center so the information it collects about asteroids, comets and other near-Earth objects (NEOs) can quickly be shared with other countries, according to Air Force Brig. Gen. Simon "Pete" Worden, deputy director for operations at U.S. Space Command.

Worden said July 10 at a Capitol Hill space round-table that A JUNE INCIDENT INVOLVING AN ASTEROID OVER THE MEDITERRANEAN SEA underscored the need for a center to warn about natural objects that could cross Earths orbit. When the asteroid, estimated at five to 10 meters in diameter, collided with the Earth's atmosphere, it released a burst of energy comparable to the nuclear bomb dropped on Hiroshima, Japan, in World War II.

If the June 6 burst had occurred over India or Pakistan, which were on the brink of war at the time, it could have been mistaken for a military attack, pushing the two countries into a full-scale conflict, he said....

Another roundtable speaker, Colleen Hartman, director of NASA's solar system exploration division, said 602 NEOs with a diameter of one kilometer or more have been identified...

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God bless. Thinking today....have you heard from "Rich' with respect to the 'Weeping Wall'? I would be interested in his interpretation/thoughts of this, if any;

I am praying for his eyes to be opened to the 'real' Messiah, Jesus, his Saviour. In His love

My reply

Thanks for your prayers. Isn't it something that the wailing wall is now literally weeping?

Rick hasn't said anything yet about the white rock in the wailing wall weeping from its face, and not from the joints between stones. It seems to be miraculous. The 1st picture is the white stone before it started weeping. The next picture shows the stone weeping. It started last Saturday Sabbath and is still weeping. I think it is a sign from God. It started weeping 3 weeks (Jewish inclusive reckoning) from Av 10, when two temples went up in smoke.



White stands for purity. Rock suggests strength. God is pure, omnipotent and is symbolically referred to in scripture as a "rock."

Psa 18:31 says, "who is God save the LORD? or who is a ROCK save our God?" 1Sa 2:2 says, "There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any ROCK like our God." Psa 78:35 says, "they remembered that GOD WAS THEIR ROCK, AND THE HIGH GOD THEIR REDEEMER." Isa. 44:6 shows us what this means. It says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, AND his REDEEMER the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first (YHVH king of Israel), AND I am the last (YHVH of hosts, the REDEEMER; i.e., haMashiach, Y'shua, Jesus Christ); and beside me there is no God."

A white rock weeping could be a symbolic message to us that YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer, is weeping. 1Co 10:4 says of the Israelites in the wilderness. "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual ROCK that followed them: and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST."

When told that Lazarus (meaning assistance of God) was sick, Jesus, Y'shua, (meaning Yahweh is Saviour), Emmanuel (meaning God with us) "abode two days still in the same place where he was" (John 11:6-44). After his journey, Lazarus "had lain in the grave four days already." Jesus asked, "Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see. JESUS WEPT" (11:34,35). After he wept, Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead.

Since resurrection takes place at the Rapture, maybe the Rapture will take place soon after THE SIGN OF THE WEEPING WHITE ROCK. Av 10 is just 3 weeks from the Sabbath when the rock was found to be weeping. Jer 52:1213 says, "Now in the fifth month (Av), in the tenth day of the month (Av 10), which was the nineteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, which served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem, And burned the house of the LORD."

Two temples went up in smoke on Av 10. Of 70 AD, Josephus wrote, "Titus retired into the tower of Antonia, and resolved to storm the temple the next day, to encamp round about the holy house; but, as for that house, God had for certain long ago doomed it to the fire; and now that fatal day was come, according to the revolution of ages: it was the TENTH DAY of the month Lous, [Ab,] (or Av) upon which it was formerly burnt by the king of Babylon" (Wars VI. IV. 5).

The Temple symbolized God's dwelling place. The Holy of Holies represented Heaven, as did the 7th lamp on the candlestick. We are a spiritual temple. 1Co 3:16 says, "Know ye not that YE ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD, and that the Spirit of God DWELLETH IN YOU?" Will we go up in clouds on the anniversary of the burning of the temples? We will soon know. Av 1 was July 10.

Here are pictures of the faces on the wailing wall, one in shade, the other in the Sun. I think it is significant too that the faces are about center in the wall.



This is what Rich wrote about the two faces on the wall:
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Marilyn, You wrote, "I FOUND TWO FACES, PROBABLY REPRESENTING THE BRIDEGROOM (CHRIST) AND HIS BRIDE IN THE WAILING WALL"

"I say this...probably not. It's just the sun playing tricks with shadows. You might have better luck laying on your back and looking for signs in the clouds. You might see more things as the wind blows the clouds around. Rich"
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Jesus said to "Watch." I'm watching with an open mind. I don't want to be like the man floating down the river on the roof of his house. As the story goes, he prayed for God to save him. A helicopter came, but he refused their help and said that God would save him. Another helicopter came. He still waited for God to save him. He died, and later asked the Lord why he didn't save him. The Lord said that he had sent 2 helicopters. Agape

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Re: the weeping stone
Just to focus on the physical facts for a moment: Does anyone know where the weeping stone is in relation to the bulging area that was reported several months ago? It seems likely that the bulging was caused by changes in pressure behind the retaining wall. Unless there have been tunnel collapses that alter the center of gravity of the material being retained, the usual culprit is water under pressure moving through that material. Water is not compressible and is almost always involved in a retaining wall collapse. I'd stand in the back if I visited!

Also, the material the Wall is constructed of seems to be limestone. Limestone is often porus if it has a sandstone- like composition. Limestone also frequently contains small holes, usually related to voids formed when the calcite was dissolved (mostly occuring after the rock was formed) or when small crystals formed (mostly occuring while the rock was consolidating). The pictures I have seen seem to show small holes but it is difficult to tell.

My reply

The bulging wall is not the same as the western wailing wall. If I remember right, the bulge is in a southern wall. It is by the area that was Solomon's stables. The Palestinians dug out Solomon's stables to construct an underground mosque. They probably weakened that wall....

The white weeping rock in the western wailing wall is about 7 stones to the left of the bush framing the chin of the face. If you think water is flowing through a hole in the rock, please tell me why water is not flowing through the cracks between the stones. Agape

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Re: Water Management in Herod's Temple
Found something interesting in the End Notes of this article....# 27. which states...The Azarah was the elevated platform upon which the Courts of the Women and Men of Israel and the Priestly Court were located. No Gentiles could enter into the area of Azarah because it was restricted to only purified Israelites. (And this is the interesting tidbit that follows).....There was a LATTICE TYPE OF STONE WALL (emphasis mine) that surrounded the area of the Azarah called the Sorag...

now to go to the Song of Songs 2:9 which is "My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the LATTICE."

Our Wonderful Saviour is revealing or should I say "shewing" Himself to us. So exciting!! Agape

My reply

Thanks for sending "Water Management in Herod's Temple," by Ernest L. Martin: http://www.askelm.com/temple/t011113.htm

It is very interesting. I had never heard of this before, either. Here is another tidbit that caught my eye.

Martin said, "The Inner Shrine of the Temple in Jerusalem resembled the actual Seventh Heaven that was located within the heavenly geography pertaining to God and all His celestial entourage."

Josephus said that the lamps of the lampstand represented the planets, and the Sun among them. Since the western light was to be kept burning all the time, I think it represented the Sun. The naked-eye planets would spread out in a line facing east. This is the lineup: (1) Sun, (2) Mercury, (3) Venus, (4) Earth, (5) Mars, (6) Jupiter and (7) Saturn.

In II Cor. 12, Paul told of his being taken up to "the third heaven." From Earth, the third heaven would be (1) Mars, (2) Jupiter and (3) Saturn. Agape

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Re: I have the answer to 30AD problem
I have thoroughly researched this issue. It turns out that the date of Thursday, April 6, 30 AD (Julian calendar) is the same day as Thursday, April 4, 30 AD (Gregorian calendar) !!!

That means that my date of Wednesday April 3, 30 AD (Gregorian), which I say is 14 Nisan, when Christ was crucified, is the same as your date of Wednesday April 5, 30 Ad, that you call 13 Nisan.

This method of projecting the calendar systems backward is called a "proleptic calendar". It means that you take the current system and you project it into the past (or the future) as far as you want, even past the date at which it was created. By doing this with both calendar systems (or any system), you can find equivalent days for each calendar. Now I have been doing this with all my dates by running a proleptic calendar timeline using Gregorian and Hebrew calendars so that they are synchronized together. Until now I had not looked much into the Julian calender systems because I had no use for it for my calculations.

You can run a quick check for yourself, on the Net, for example: www.CalendarHome.com/converter/ It converts between Gregorian every other calender system. I have all the equations if you would like to do it by hand as well, just let me know.

I can see that you believe, as I do, that Wednesday was the day of the crucifixion, by comparing the full gospel account that becomes clear. You can now rest assure that Wednesday was on 14 Nisan, which is a better fit anyway.

This is good news for me as well because it reinforces my current timeline all the more.

Thanks for the challenge. We have to keep searching, the time is at hand. Take care,

My reply

> > the date of Thursday, April 6, 30 AD (Julian calendar) is the same day as Thursday, April 4, 30 AD (Gregorian calendar)

Since the Julian calendar was in use, they would have called it Apr. 6.

> > That means that my date of Wednesday April 3, 30 AD (Gregorian), which I say is 14 Nisan, when Christ was crucified, is the same as your date of Wednesday April 5, 30 Ad, that you call 13 Nisan.

I call Nisan 13, Thursday, April 6. I think the Crucifixion was on Thursday, Nisan 13, the preparation of the Passover. The Passover was Nisan 14, Friday, April 7.

> > I can see that you believe, as I do, that Wednesday was the day of the crucifixion, by comparing the full gospel account that becomes clear. You can now rest assure that Wednesday was on 14 Nisan, which is a better fit anyway

No. I believe the Crucifixion was on Thursday, Nisan 13. It was the preparation of the passover. Here are some verses showing that it was on the preparation day.

Mat 27:62: "Now the next day (Nisan 14, Friday), that followed the day of the PREPARATION (Nisan 13, Thursday), the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate..." This is when they sealed the tomb.

Mar 15:42,3: "now when the even was come, because it was the PREPARATION (Nisan 13), that is, the day before the sabbath (Nisan 14, the Feast Day), Joseph of Arimathaea...craved the body of Jesus."

Luk 23:53,54: Joseph "took it (Jesus' body) down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid, And that day was the PREPARATION (Nisan 13), and the sabbath (Feast of Passover, Nisan 14) drew on."

Joh 19:1: "it was the PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER (Nisan 13), and about the sixth hour (midnight, for Nisan 13 had begun at 6 PM): and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!"

Joh 19:31: "The Jews therefore, because it was the PREPARATION , that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day [Nisan 14, Passover], (for that sabbath day was an high day,) [a feast day] besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

Joh 19:42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' PREPARATION day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand."

When you figure the days between 2 dates, consider July 18, 2002 (Av 10) and Sept. 7, 2002 (Feast of Trumpets) for the Pre-Trib Rapture and see what happens. Figure ordinary years as well as 360-day years. The 69 weeks of Daniel 9 work out just right using ordinary years, and no Jewish Year has 360 days. They have 6 types of years, with these day counts: 353, 354, 355, 383, 384, and 385.

From Nisan 8, Saturday, when Jesus rested at Bethany the day before Palm Sunday to the destruction of the temple on Av 10 in 70 AD was 40 years, plus another 120 days. Likewise, from Iyar 28 in 1967, when they retook the temple area, to Tishri 1 in 2007 is 40 years, plus another 120 days. These are figured using ordinary years. Agape

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Re: I have the answer to 30AD problem
I think I see what is happening here. See if this makes sense or not.

The account of the Passover is recorded in Leviticus 23: 5-8 Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

As you can see from the above passage the "first day" refers to the first of seven days of unleavened bread, not the Lord's passover. The day of preparation that Mary would be getting ready for was Nisan 15 because that is the first day of the feast of unleavened bread, which is listed as a holy convocation, ie an annual Sabbath. (not to be confused with the Saturday weekly Sabbath) This would mean that Jesus died on the 14th as the passover lamb, which would also mean that it's also the day of preparation, because the next day is that annual Sabbath on the 15th.

You see they had to get Jesus' body off the cross and into the tomb quickly, because it was after 3:00pm and they only had until 6:00pm, which was the start of that first day of the feast of unleavened bread, which is a holy Sabbath (John 19:31). In fact they didn't even have time to anoint the body with spices so they returned back home and prepared them for a few hours then rested on that same Sabbath. (Luke 23: 54-56).

There is much more that can be said here, but the point is that 14 Nisan on the Hebrew calendar occurred on Wednesday, April 3, 30AD (Gregorian), which of course is the same as Wednesday, April 5, 30AD (Julian). So if you wanted to calculate anything from the 14 Nisan date to any date on todays calendar you would have to use the April 3rd 30AD because Gregorian is what we use today.

That's all for now, please let me know if this part seems right or not. Thanks

My reply

Here is how it seems to me. I know it is confusing, but to keep things straight in our heads, we have to try hard to keep thinking in terms of the Jewish Calendar, not ours. Jewish days do not run from midnight to midnight. Many have failed to keep oriented and eliminated one whole day from their thinking. They think of evening as ending a day when the evening starts the day. The days run from evening to evening, or as in Genesis 1:5, "the evening and the morning were the first day."

First the evening, then 24 hours follow before another day starts. Jewish days start at 6 PM on our previous day. Six hours later is midnight. In six more hours morning comes. Six hours later is noon, and another day begins at 6 PM. The first day we considered has one midnight and one noon. Mainly, keep in mind that midnight comes 6 hours after the day begins, not at the end of the day.

All 7 feasts are Sabbaths of rest, holy convocations. They are not spaced at 7-day intervals like the weekly Sabbath. For instance, Nisan 14, 15, 16 and 21 are Sabbaths. I'm glad you understand that the festal Sabbaths are different from the weekly Sabbaths.

Regarding the Feast of Tabernacles, Lev. 23:39 says, "in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days (i.e., 7 more days): ON THE FIRST DAY (Tishri 15) SHALL BE A SABBATH, AND ON THE EIGHTH DAY (Tishri 22) SHALL BE A SABBATH."

Speaking of the Day of Atonement 10 days after the Feast of Trumpets Sabbath and 5 days before the Feast of Tabernacles Sabbath), Lev. 23:32 says, "It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest (not the weekly Sabbath, but the feastal Sabbath), and ye shall afflict your souls: IN THE NINTH DAY OF THE MONTH AT EVEN, FROM EVEN UNTO EVEN, shall ye celebrate your sabbath." The Sabbath there is the 10th. Therefore, we must strive to keep reckoning a Jewish day as starting at 6 PM on our previous day.

> > (Parenthetic portions are MJAs.) Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even (the beginning of the day) is the Lord's passover (FRIDAY, FROM EVEN OF THE 13TH TO EVEN OF THE 14TH).
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day (SATURDAY, FROM EVEN OF THE 14TH TO EVEN OF THE 15TH) of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Lev 23:7 In the first day (NISAN 15) ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. Lev 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day (NISAN 21) is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein."

> > As you can see from the above passage the "first day" refers to the first of seven days of unleavened bread, not the Lord's passover. The day of preparation that Mary would be getting ready for was Nisan 15 because that is the first day of the feast of unleavened bread, which is listed as a holy convocation, ie an annual Sabbath. (not to be confused with the Saturday weekly Sabbath) This would mean that Jesus died on the 14th as the passover lamb, which would also mean that it's also the day of preparation, because the next day is that annual Sabbath on the 15th.

In 30 AD, the Passover was from 6 PM on Thursday, Nisan 13, until 6 PM on Friday, Nisan 14. The Feast of Unleavened Bread was from 6 PM on Nisan 14 until 6 PM on Nisan 15. . Both the 14th and 15th were Sabbaths. The Passover was the High Sabbath. The 15th was both the Feast of Unleavened Bread and the Saturday Sabbath. Joh 19:31 says, "The Jews therefore, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION (NISAN 13), that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day (NISAN 14), (for that sabbath day was an HIGH DAY [PASSOVER],) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

There is no way that they would have desecrated the Passover High Day (Nisan 14) to make it a preparation day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Nisan 15). Thursday, Nisan 13, would have been the preparation day for Friday, Nisan 14, the Passover High Day, and Saturday, Nisan 15, the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

> > This would mean that Jesus died on the 14th as the passover lamb

I don't think so. The Passover lambs were eaten on Nisan 14. Therefore, they were killed and put in the oven to roast in the late afternoon of Nisan 13. Jesus shed his blood as the lambs were being killed at the temple from 3 PM to 5 PM (called between the evenings) on Nisan 13 so they could be roasted and eaten on Nisan 14 between 6 PM and midnight (when the death angel killed the Egyptian firstborn at the Exodus).

> > You see they had to get Jesus' body off the cross and into the tomb quickly, because it was after 3:00pm and they only had until 6:00pm, which was the start of that first day of the feast of unleavened bread, which is a holy Sabbath (John 19:31). In fact they didn't even have time to anoint the body with spices so they returned back home and prepared them for a few hours then rested on that same Sabbath. (Luke 23: 54-56).

Look at John 19:38-42. "Joseph of Arimathaea...came...and took the body of Jesus. And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and BROUGHT A MIXTURE OF MYRRH AND ALOES, ABOUT AN HUNDRED POUND WEIGHT. THEN TOOK THEY THE BODY OF JESUS, AND WOUND IT IN LINEN CLOTHES WITH THE SPICES, as the manner of the Jews is to bury....a new sepulchre...There laid they Jesus therefore because of the JEWS' PREPARATION DAY (NISAN 13); for the sepulchre was nigh at hand."

Joh 19:31 says, "The Jews therefore, because it was the PREPARATION, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day [Passover],) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

Mar 16:1 says, "when the sabbath (Saturday, the Feast of Unleavened Bread) was past (at 6 PM as Nisan 16, Sunday, began), Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him."

The spices Nicodemus brought were wound on the body with the linen clothes on Nisan 13, the preparation of the Passover. The spices the women brought were never put on the body. By the time they got there, it was Sunday and the Resurrection had already taken place.

Here is another confusing thing. Joh 19:14 says, "IT WAS THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER (NISAN 13), and about the SIXTH HOUR: and he (Pilate) saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!" This is ROMAN TIME.

Mark 15:25 uses JEWISH TIME. It says, "IT WAS THE THIRD HOUR (OF THE DAY, i.e., 9 AM on Nisan 13), AND THEY CRUCIFIED HIM." Agape

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Re: Faces on the Wall
The picture in your 925 Pro & Con is absolutely amazing. I couldn't see any face in any of the other pictures and began to think that maybe I was spiritually luke warm and that there was a possibility of me being left behind because I just could not see anything. But this picture was amazing. I not only see 2 faces but see another larger face to the left of the other 2 faces as well as a rounded number 3 (light in colour.) with a dark green number 5 below it and at the bottom of the rounded 3 there is a dark green c. To the left of that there is a sharp pointed number 3 and to the left of that there is an X. On the opposite side, (where the faces are) To the right of the faces there is a dark green shape of the crucifix.

What else do you see? This picture was a true blessing for me. Thank You, and thank you for all your pro's and con's. There are 2 sites I look up daily your Pro's & con's and the 5 doves site. Can you recommend any other really gooooood sites. looking forward to seeing you sooooooooon. regards

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. Here are sites I check daily.
5 Doves: http://www.fivedoves.com/
Debkafile: http://www.debka.com/
Jeff Rense: http://www.rense.com/
Breaking Headline News from Israel:
http://www.frankcaw.com/headline_news_Israel.html
Astronomy Picture of the Day:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

> > What else do you see?

You saw more than I did. Agape

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From: Jim Bramlett
...Folks, I believe this all part of the end-time scenario. Therefore, it is not a time for despair, but for rejoicing!!! That is because soon "we are going to see the King." He is coming. He is coming for those looking for him. And until He comes, we have the sure promises of Psalm 91:

1 He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty.
2 I will say of the LORD, "He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust."
3 Surely he will save you from the fowler’s snare and from the deadly pestilence.
4 He will cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you will find refuge; his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart.
5 You will not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day,
6 nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness, nor the plague that destroys at midday.
7 A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you.
8 You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked.
9 If you make the Most High your dwelling— even the LORD, who is my refuge—
10 then no harm will befall you, no disaster will come near your tent.
11 For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways;
12 they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.
13 You will tread upon the lion and the cobra; you will trample the great lion and the serpent.
14 "Because he loves me," says the LORD, "I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.
15 He will call upon me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him.
16 With long life will I satisfy him and show him my salvation."

(The Hebrew word for "salvation" here is -- YESHUA! Come Yeshua!) Jim

My reply

Thanks. YESHUA, that is neat. I had to go back and reread Psa. 91. There are several interesting Hebrew words there. In the preceding chapter, 90:12,13, says, "So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom. Return, O LORD, how long?" I wonder if there is a connection between this and chapter 91's hints.

I don't know what version you quoted, but I am quoting the KJV and looking up words in Strong's. Psa. 91:3,4 is talking about a Rapture, but which one? It says, "Surely he shall deliver (natsal, snatch away, take out, make to ESCAPE, i.e., rapture) thee from the snare (trap) of the fowler, and from the noisome (havvah, rushing upon, falling) pestilence (the asteroid). He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust."

Mention of the "snare" reminds me of Luke 21:34-36. It says, "take heed to yourselves (believers), lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so THAT DAY come upon you (believers) unawares. For as a SNARE shall it come on all them (unbelievers) that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye (believers) therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." To escape ALL THESE THINGS includes the Tribulation. Therefore, I think this refers to the Pre-Trib Rapture.

Psa. 91:5-10 says, "Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the DESTRUCTION that wasteth (shuwd, devastates) at NOONDAY (the asteroid impacts of Rev. 8:8,10)....Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge (machaceh, place of shelter), even the most High (Christ, Isa. 44:6), thy habitation; There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall ANY PLAGUE come nigh thy dwelling."

The Pre-Wrath Rapture catches up the Tribulation saints before noon on the Day of Destruction. However, they go through the preliminaries of Rev. 6:12f before they are raptured. If one is to escape ALL plagues, he would have to be caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture. Moses and Elijah can bring "all plagues" during the first half of the Tribulation.

Rev 11:1-6 says, "there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., at the 1st Rapture), and measure the temple of God (we are the spiritual temple), and the altar, and them that worship therein (the Bride saints that can be counted, measured). But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not (the great multitude of Rev. 7:9 can't be counted); for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months (first half of the Tribulation). And I will give power unto my two witnesses (Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days (1st half of the 70th week of Daniel, the Tribulation), clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth (Zech 4:11-14; Mark 9:2-4). And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with ALL PLAGUES, as often as they will."

The first half of the Tribulation gets plagues. Therefore, those that do not get any of these plagues are raptured out of here before Moses and Elijah begin their ministry.

Psa. 91:14-16 says, "Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver (palat, cause to ESCAPE) him: I WILL SET HIM ON HIGH (in Heaven), BECAUSE HE HATH KNOWN MY NAME. He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him. With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation" (yshuw'ah, Yeshua). Agape

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