Pro and Con 936

Posted 8-10-02

Lam 2:18: "Their heart cried unto the Lord, O WALL of the daughter of Zion, LET TEARS RUN DOWN LIKE A RIVER DAY AND NIGHT: give thyself no rest; let not the apple of thine eye cease."

Incoming email, Re: Pictures of Water Dripping from the Western Wall

The stain is getting larger in these latest pictures. Agape

http://www.gospelcom.net/shofar/pp/news-pictures/view.php3?id=CC0690.jpg&gal=41&pg=0&count=3

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My reply

Thanks. Isn't the plant growing? That might mean it was getting more water. Agape

AN INTERESTING TIDBIT

Referring to Nu. 24:17,19, the Jewish Rabbis wrote in the Talmud, "When the Messiah shall be revealed there shall rise up in the east a star flaming with six colors" (R. Frey, Messiah, p. 137). Another report: "The star shall shine forth from the east, and this is the star of the Messiah. It shall shine forth from the east for fifteen days, and if it be prolonged it will be for the good of Israel" (Edersheim, Jesus of Nazareth, Vol. 1, p. 212). Both quotes are found in Unger's Bible Dictionary.

Incoming email

Asteroid near Earth is largest in 77 years
Researchers from Canada and around the world began to track the activity of an asteroid yesterday, which is the largest one to travel so close to Earth in 77 years. The 800-metre -wide asteroid -- known as 2002 NY40 -- was discovered in July, and is expected to be visible (with binoculars or small telescopes) near the star Vega on Aug. 17.

My outgoing e-mail

To: Charles Ryalls:
Having corresponded with you before, I know that you truly accept Yeshua ha Mashiach/Jesus Christ as your own personal Saviour. I know that you believe what he said is true. Now, the question is, for Salvation, are we obligated to keep the Law on top of believing in Christ? Are we saved by our faith in Him, plus nothing? or are we saved by our faith in Him plus keeping the Law?

Before I could get my reply finished, another e-mail from you came in. I'm so glad you clarified your belief. You said, > > Here is an area that might be misunderstood. I do not say that we must keep all the laws of Judaism to be saved. In fact I will tell you that many of the 613 Mitzvot are Rabbinical from as late as the 12th century and are the doctrines of men. Some of them are even anti-missionary and were added to prevent Jewish assimilation into Christianity. Also the book of Hebrews makes it clear that the priesthood of the Levites and the blood offerings, which were temporary until Messiah came, are for now set aside. There IS however scripture that indicates they will be reinstated during the millennial Kingdom, with the exception of Atonement. So you might say what laws am I speaking of? The answer is that the moral and ethical code of the Law, is what we need to pay close attention to. Further we need to approach the law from the understanding (Halacha) of Yeshua, for he explains and establishes the law correctly.> >

In Rev. 1:8 (KJV), Yeshua said he was the "Alpha AND Omega, the beginning (LORD of the Tanach, Old Testament) AND the ending (Lord of the B'rit Hadashah, New Testament), saith the Lord (kurios, God, the supreme in authority), which is the Almighty." In 1:17, Yeshua said, I am the first AND the last." In Rev. 22:13, he said, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning AND the end, the first AND the last." He is both LORD of the Old Testament AND Lord of the New Testament. As the former, he was the YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer, the Pre-incarnate Christ, the Son of God (Prov. 30:5). As the latter, he is the Incarnate Christ. II Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself.

This is very clear in the Hebraic Roots Version. In Rev. 1:8, Yeshua said, "I am Alef AND Tav, says Adonai YHVH, he who is and was and is to come, who is the almighty."

Isa. 44:6 (KJV) says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first (YHVH the King of Israel), AND I am the last (YHVH of hosts, the redeemer); and beside me there is no God."

In Isa 48:12,13, 16-18 (KJV), YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer says, "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first (YHVH king of Israel), I ALSO am the last (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer). Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD (YHVH the Father), and his Spirit (Holy Spirit), hath sent me (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer). Thus saith the LORD (YHVH of hosts), thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel (YHVH king of Israel); I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. O that thou hadst hearkened to MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea."

YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer, the Pre-incarnate Christ, gave Moses the commandments at Sinai. No one knows better than he what commandments we should keep in our days. Joh 1:18 says, "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer), which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer, is the one that has been seen by Moses and Abraham. He appeared to Abraham as the angel of YHVH.

Since YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer, gave the original commandments to Moses, his words from Yeshua, the Redeemer, have the complete understanding of the whole plan of God for mankind behind them.

In John 13:34, Yeshua said, "A NEW COMMANDMENT I GIVE UNTO YOU, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another."

No man was ever saved by keeping the Law. They were saved because they believed what God told them.

Heb 7:18 says, "For there is verily a DISANNULLING OF THE COMMANDMENT GOING BEFORE for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof."

Rom 7:4 says, "Wherefore, my brethren, YE ALSO ARE BECOME DEAD TO THE LAW by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God."

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, TILL THE SEED SHOULD COME TO WHOM THE PROMISE WAS MADE."

Rom 13:8 says, "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law."

During 7 different Dispensations, the Lord is giving mankind 7 different kinds of tests to see if mankind would obey Him. Here are the Dispensations, and our test has different instructions than the Dispensation of the Law.

Innocence - 40 yrs - creation of Adam to the Expulsion
Adam was not saved by obeying the Law. Moses had not yet been born.

Conscience - 1616 yrs - Expulsion to Noah's Flood
Enoch was not saved by obeying the Law, yet he was raptured, and is a type of the Rapture of the Church. "Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him" (Gen. 5:24). Noah was not saved by obeying the Law. Moses had not yet been born.

Human Government - 427 yrs - Flood to Abraham
Man was not saved by obeying the Law. Moses had not yet been born.

Promise - 430 years - Abraham to the Exodus
Abraham was not saved by obeying the Law. Moses had not yet been born. Abraham was saved by believing in the promises God gave him.

Law - 1559 yrs - Exodus to the Crucifixion
Not one man was saved by obeying the Law. The laws were given to show us what sin was and to show us our need of the Redeemer/Christ. Gal 3:24,25 says, "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

Grace - 1977 yrs - Crucifixion to end of this age
Mankind is saved by accepting Yeshua/Christ as their own personal Saviour. He died so believers won't have to.

Kingdom - 1000 yrs - Christ's 1000-year reign
He will give them a different kind of test to see if they will obey, for they will all know him. Their test will be different from ours.

In this Great Week of Time, the Lord tests mankind under 7 different sets of circumstances and with 7 sets of instructions.

Salvation is faith plus nothing. It is a gift, free for the taking. Rom 5:18 says, "Therefore as by the offence of one (Adam) judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one (Yeshua/Jesus) the FREE GIFT came upon all men unto justification of life." Eph 2:8 says, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD."

However, we can work for rewards. Also, we should not disobey the 10 commandments, because we know that to do so is sin. We don't want sins to build a barrier between us and our holy God. We don't want the sin barrier to keep us from being chosen as the Bride of Christ and caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture either.

Therefore, Salvation is a free gift, but our rewards are determined by what we build on the foundation that is Yeshua/Jesus Christ.

1Co 3:11-15 says, "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."

Even though we want to obey the commandments so we don't sin, we don't have to think about obeying the 10 commandments. The Lord made it easier for us. All we have to think about is what the Lord said in John 13:34: "A NEW COMMANDMENT I GIVE UNTO YOU, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another." All the other commandments hang on that one. Agape

Incoming email, OOPs 1 Tishri is actually OCTOBER 6, 2002

Don't look now but 1 Tishri is actually October 6, 2002! But wait, you may say, the current Jewish calender says that September 7th is "IT"...not so says the actual moon in the sky. Just sit outside your window for a couple of months and you will see that the schedule is off by....well 30 days!!! Not to mention, some 242 years or so.

Or just go to any moon observing site and you will see that something is afoot here. Ok, here are the facts, the current jewish calendar is WRONG, just WRONG.

Go here to get it straight:
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/MoonFraction.html
Just click the big button that says "Compute Table"

Then look for the begining of each month as designated by 0.0 and look to the far left column for the actual number of the month. Of course you have to look to the first month On or After the Vernal Equinox of March 21. The next 0.0 after that is the first Jewish month (Nisan). Then you just count 0.0s until you get to the seventh one. You will then see that you arrive at ...you guesed it, October 6, 2002. I know this hard science is tough to take, so you may be surprised at the result, but it doesn't lie.

Please wake up to reality here, not everything is as it appears; every "fact" MUST be verfified!
That's all for now. Take Care

My reply

No matter how right or wrong we might think the current Jewish Calendar is, it is officially what the Rules of the Jewish Calendar indicate. Figured this way, it runs very close to the Gregorian Calendar over the 19-year cycle, and even closer over the 57-year cycle. Inserting another month would throw it off by that much.

Actually, Nisan can begin March 14, as it did this year. It doesn't have to be after March 21, as you assumed. The earliest it can occur is March 5. Since Nisan 1 was March 14, this year, Tishri 1 is Sept. 7. The number of days between Nisan 1 and Tishri 1 never vary. Those months have a fixed number of days. I think of this when someone calls Tishri 1 the day no one knows. Besides that, in the present calendar, Tishri 1 would have been set the previous year. They could have known it the whole year.

Before secretly, and in the open since Hillel published the Secret Rules in the middle of the 4th century, the Jewish Calendar has been calculated backward from the NYD (New Year Day) of the following Tishri 1, not from the current Nisan 1.

The NYD is figured mathematically from the FNM (First New Moon) of the Jewish Era. It is counted to have occurred on the Jewish Monday at 5 hours, 11 minutes, and 6 parts after the beginning of the day at 6 PM.

Counting back from the following NYD to the previous NYD, the number of days of one of the 6 types of years is inserted. The 6 types have 353, 354, or 355 days, or if Leap Years, 383, 384, or 385 days.

The NYD is Tishri 1, except:
1. When the NM (New Moon) is Wednesday, Friday, or Sunday
2. When the NM is at or after noon
3. When the NM of an ordinary year occurs on on later than Tuesday at 11 minutes and 6 parts after 3 PM
4. When, at the end of a Leap Year, the NM is on Monday at 32 minute and 13 parts after 9 AM, or later

In these events, NYD is shifted to the following day, unless number 1 applies to that day. Then it is shifted one more day.

In every 19-year cycle, counted from the beginning of the Jewish Calendar, there are 7 Leap Years. They are always the 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, 14th, and 19th years of the cycle.

The days in these 9 months never vary, Nisan 30, Iyar 29, Sivan 30, Tamuz 29, Av 30, Elul 29, Tishri 30, Teveth 29 and Shebat 30. The other 3 months, Cheshvan, Kislev and Adar, can have 29 or 30 days. In a Leap Year, Adar II has 29 days. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Question on 2006 not Sabbatic Year

How are you? I have had a rough time physically during the last month or so (I have a debilitating syrinx in my spinal cord), so I haven't been able to make it to most of the prophecy sites. I trust you are doing well. With respect to 2006 being or not being a Sabbath, could you tell me how you arrive at a certain year being a Sabbath? I've seen a lot of info from various people that don't agree. I'm using the "implied" approach of Psalms 92, since I can't find any direct statement relating to current days within Scripture (although Ernest Martin makes a good case for a Sabbatic year when Yeshua refers to the fields being "white unto harvest" prior to the fall, indicating a Sabbath or Jubilee year). One mathematical issue that I have tried to resolve is this: The year 5999 is divisible by 7, but we know that the end of 6000 years of sin produce the "end of the age", so there appears to be a one year discrepancy??

I look forward to your input, and pray you can continue to enlighten others. You have a very wide reach with your research!

My reply

Just divide the Jewish Year by 7. The years 7 will divide into equally are Sabbatic Years.

> > The year 5999 is divisible by 7, but we know that the end of 6000 years of sin produce the "end of the age", so there appears to be a one year discrepancy??

6000 years may have gone by since Adam was created, but the Jewish year number did not start then. If I remember right, the present count started in 3761 BC.

Thanks for your kind comments and prayers. I prayed for you too. Agape

My outgoing e-mail

...I took another look at Song of Solomon 3:11. I think it fits Tishri 1 for the Coronation of Christ and the Marriage of the Lamb, but now I detect something else I seem to have missed before. Here is v. 11 in the LITV: "Go forth, O daughters of Zion, and see King Solomon (son of David, type of Christ) with the crown with which his mother crowned him on his wedding day, even on the day of the gladness of his heart."

It looks like the "daughters of Zion" represent the Tribulation saints that have just been caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

Here is the World English Bible's Song of Sol. 3:6-11. It has weddings, plural.

"Who is this (i.e., Christ) who comes up from the wilderness (Petra) like pillars of smoke, Perfumed with myrrh and frankincense (things the Magi brought to Christ), With all spices of the merchant? Behold, it is Solomon's carriage! Sixty mighty men are around it, Of the mighty men of Israel. They all handle the sword, and are expert in war. Every man has his sword on his thigh, Because of fear in the night (it is the day Gog's army attacks Israel). King Solomon made himself a carriage Of the wood of Lebanon. He made its pillars of silver, Its bottom of gold, its seat of purple, Its midst being paved with love, From the daughters of Jerusalem. Go forth (the Pre-Wrath Rapture), you daughters of Zion (the heavenly city), and see king Solomon (i.e., Christ), With the crown with which his mother has crowned him, In the day of his weddings, In the day of the gladness of his heart. Lover."

I wonder if "weddings" here means Israel and the Church. Agape

Incoming email, Re: The two witnesses

Do you see any correlation between the two witnesses of God, Moses and Elijah and the two witnesses who observe the sighting of the new moon over Jerusalem to "officially" start the new month.

While reading Anthony Godefroy's "Jews look for the Rapture on Feast of Trumpets" I had the following thought. Could God's two witnesses, Moses and Elijah come down to earth a short time before the pre-trib rapture as the two witnesses who's first job is to look for the new moon sighting? Could this be the time of the rapture.

It could be the "official" starting point of the Rapture and the tribulation.

They could arrive, "watch" for the arrival of the 'New Moon' then blow trumpets, or just say "O.K. Lord, its time." What if they did this at the Wailing Wall! That would get some of those Rabbi's attention. The Lord did say, "If you don't "Watch" you will not know what hour I will come upon you". Was He trying to tell us about "Watching" for the sighting of the new moon? This would definitely give us the hour I believe. Or at least whether its the first watch or second watch etc.

If this is correct it would definitely point us to Rosh Hosanna since its the only Feast that starts with a New Moon on the first day of a month. Mr. Godefroy states "In biblical days the New Moon was always announced by the blowing of the Shofar. These were to be a number of short blast. However, the New Moon of the seventh month was celebrated by a number of Long Blast of the shofar, thus the feast of the sounding of the trumpets. This proves to us that this feast has a special solemnity and that Tishri is unique among all the months. In fact prophetically this month speaks of completion and a new beginning."

Mr. Godefroy further states, "The number Two in the Word speaks of testimony, the number of Witness. Could Moses and Elijah start the Trib and the Rapture by sighting the New Moon? Maybe they will also do this on the Eve of the Feast of Trumpets in 2007! You did state the pre-wrath rapture would (I meant could) be in the evening around 6PM and the asteroids will strike at noon the following day. That would make it around the time of the sighting of the New Moon!

When you look at what is happening in the book of Revelation you can see that every thing is done in a logical orderly fashion which our God is. Does it not make since then that if the the trib is to start on Rosh Hashanah and the Rapture it would be at the exact official start, The sighting of the New Moon? It just seems to me this is the way a 'perfect' God will do it.

This seems to be the only logical way we could ever come up with a possible hour for His coming for His Bride. The scripture that speaks of the midnight hour can't be it because you have to ask, 'midnight where?' However we know the sighting has to be done in Jerusalem so we know what time zone to Watch from.

One thing I am not sure of is exactly what hour this would possibly happen during. Does the new moon always come up just after sunset? Could it be later say around midnight? Maybe someone out there can tell us. Just some of my thoughts. Back in 1976 when I first became interested in bible prophecy it was not "cool" or even preached that we could know the day or hour. But even back then I told people that the closer we got, we would know even the hour. I just felt it in my spirit. YBIC

My reply

Jesus Christ may bring the 2 witnesses when he comes for the Bride of Christ.

> > Do you see any correlation between the two witnesses of God, Moses and Elijah and the two witnesses who observe the sighting of the new moon over Jerusalem to "officially" start the new month.

Yes. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. It could be a clue that Moses and Elijah would arrive on Tishri 1.

> > Could this be the time of the rapture.
> > It could be the "official" starting point of the Rapture and the tribulation.

Maybe the Rapture will be on the Eve of Trumpets, as I think Eve was taken out of Adam's side on the Eve of Trumpets. Then the Tribulation could begin on the Feast of Trumpets.

> > Does the new moon always come up just after sunset? Could it be later say around midnight?

The Moon can rise at different times, day or night.

> > "If you don't "Watch" you will not know what hour I will come upon you". Was He trying to tell us about "Watching" for the sighting of the new moon? This would definitely give us the hour I believe.

That's a new idea. Let's see. If the Rapture was on the Eve of Trumpets, that would be the dark of the Moon. Watchers wouldn't see the Moon that day. The Tribulation could start on the next day, the Feast of Trumpets. That is the day the sliver of the New Moon could be sighted by the 2 witnesses.

> > Tishri is unique among all the months. In fact prophetically this month speaks of completion and a new beginning."

I think Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007) will be the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord and the Day of God's Wrath. Those fit completion and new beginning all right. On a much smaller scale, the Pre-Trib Rapture fits completion and new beginning too.

> > Could Moses and Elijah start the Trib and the Rapture by sighting the New Moon? Maybe they will also do this on the Eve of the Feast of Trumpets in 2007!

Yes, to starting the Trib. Probably no, to doing this in 2007. Moses and Elijah will be killed after the 1st 1260 days. Three and a half days later, they will be resurrected and ascend to Heaven. Therefore, I don't think they will be on Earth on the Eve of the Feast of Trumpets in 2007.

> > Does it not make since then that if the the trib is to start on Rosh Hashanah and the Rapture it would be at the exact official start, The sighting of the New Moon? It just seems to me this is the way a 'perfect' God will do it.

The hour that the New Moon was seen didn't change the hours of the day. The sighting just fixed the day as Tishri 1.

> > This seems to be the only logical way we could ever come up with a possible hour for His coming for His Bride. The scripture that speaks of the midnight hour can't be it because you have to ask, 'midnight where?' However we know the sighting has to be done in Jerusalem so we know what time zone to Watch from.

I think your "midnight where?" would be Jerusalem too. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Do I REALLY need Jesus to die for me?

From: Rich Pope
Not according to the Tanach you don't. God says throught the prophet Ezekiel:

Ezekiel chapter 18 verse 27 states... "And if a wicked person turns away from his wickedness and obeys the law, and does right, he shall save his own soul..."

We have it within our own power, no need for someone to die for us. Rich

My reply

You are going by instructions given during the Dispensation of the Law. Do you really want to do that in a different Dispensation? Aren't you afraid you might be left without a leg to stand on?

The LORD told us in the Tanach that there would be a new covenant with Israel. Why? because Israel broke their first covenant. The golden calf incident at Sinai comes to mind.

Jer 31:31,32 (KJV) says, "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah. NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; WHICH MY COVENANT THEY BRAKE, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD."

Jer. 31:30,31 (Stone) says, "Behold, days are coming -- the word of HASHEM -- when I WILL SEAL A NEW COVENANT with the House of Israel and with the House of Judah: NOT LIKE THE COVENANT THAT I SEALED WITH THEIR FOREFATHERS on the day that I took hold of their hand to take them out of the land of Egypt, FOR THEY ABROGATED MY COVENANT, although I became their Master -- the word of HASHEM."

This theme is repeated in the New Testament. Heb 8:8 (KJV) says, "For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make A NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah." Heb 8:13 says, "In that he saith, A NEW COVENANT, HE HATH MADE THE FIRST OLD. NOW THAT WHICH DECAYETH AND WAXETH OLD IS READY TO VANISH." Heb 12:24 says, "And to JESUS THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel."

No one was ever saved by obeying the Law. It is too perfect, and we are too imperfect. Will you be any different? Isa 64:6 (KJV) says, "we are ALL as an unclean thing, and ALL our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we ALL do fade as a leaf; AND OUR INIQUITIES, LIKE THE WIND, HAVE TAKEN US AWAY."

Isa. 64:6 (Stone) says, "We have ALL become defiled and ALL our righteousness is like a worn-out garment; we ALL wither like a leaf; and like a wind, OUR SINS CARRY US OFF. There is no one to call out in Your Name, who arouses himself to hold fast to You when You hide Your face from us and melt us away because of our iniquities."

Without a Saviour, we have all had it. We will be dumped into Hell. There is one lifeline, Yeshua haMashiach/the Redeemer YHVH of hosts/Jesus Christ, and if we don't catch on to him, we are sunk. We only have one life to lose. If you had died tonight, you would have run out of chances.

Isa. 53:6 (Stone) says, "We have ALL strayed like sheep, each of us turning his own way, and HASHEM inflicted upon him the iniquity of us ALL ."

Yes, you REALLY need Jesus. You don't realize how desperately you need him. He died to give you a chance not to have to pay for your own sins, but you choose to go your own way down the slick slide to Hell. Too bad. You had your chance and muffed it. Agape

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