Pro and Con 937

Posted 8-12-02

Incoming email from Rich Pope

It's time for you to go to school. Visit Messiahtruth.com and you just might learn something.

My reply

I'm sure I will learn something, pro or con. I have an open mind and love to understand new things about Scripture. I also have prayed about this.

> > COUNTER-MISSIONARY EDUCATION
"Isaiah 53" The 4th Servant Song, by Uri Yosef
A 6-part series refuting the Christian perspective of Isaiah 53.

> > Chapters 42-53 in the Book of Isaiah contain four passages commonly known as the Servant Songs: (1) Is 42:1-4, (2) Is 49:1-6, (3) Is 50:4-9, (4) Is 52:13-53:12. Three of these four passages (#1, #2, #4) explicitly use the Hebrew term avdi (My servant), while in #3 such terminology does not appear at all. Yet, the description of the subject's characteristics in #3 is so strikingly similar to those of the servant in the other three passages, that it is included in the set of four.
> > Upon consulting the Jewish commentaries, it is apparent that three of these Servant Songs also present great difficulties of interpretation since Jewish Sages do not always agree on the identity of the servant. The only exception is the fourth Servant Song (Is 52:13-53:12), commonly referred to as "Isaiah 53", where they all agree on the identity of the servant being Israel. Consequently, "Isaiah 53" is not Jewish messianic text.

Instead of searching the scriptures and backing up your beliefs with scripture, you are blindly following another person's views. That isn't safe. If he falls into Hell, you'll follow him. Don't follow anyone blindly. Compare what everyone says with Scripture. It is the only 100% truth we have to hang onto. It is the anchor of our souls. It keeps us from flying off on any stray wind of doctrine.

The Lord is testing us. He gave us a manual to enable us to pass our test. Unless we read it for ourselves, we might fail the test.

Uri thinks that the servant of Isa. 53 is Israel. In the KJV, the only verse in chapter 53 that mentions "servant" is verse 11. It says, "HE shall see of the travail of HIS soul, and shall be satisfied: by HIS knowledge shall my RIGHTEOUS SERVANT justify many; for HE shall bear their iniquities."

"HE" does not apply to many, but to one particular "RIGHTEOUS SERVANT" called "THE ARM OF THE LORD" in the first verse. There is no way that collectively, Israel could be either "RIGHTEOUS" or "THE ARM OF THE LORD." If Israel collectively was righteous, the LORD would have extended "peace to her like a river" (Isa 66:12).

There are two servants. One is national Israel. The other servant is the "arm of the Lord" that will "bring Jacob/Israel again to him." Isa 49:3 says, "Thou art my servant, O Israel."

In verse 5, both the arm-of-the-Lord servant and Jacob/Israel are referred to. Here we can see that they are two separate servants. It says, "now, saith the LORD (YHVH) that formed ME (the 'arm of the Lord') from the womb (of Mary) to be HIS (YHVH'S) SERVANT, TO BRING JACOB AGAIN TO HIM, Though ISRAEL be not gathered, yet shall I (the 'arm of the Lord') be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength."

If the arm-of-the-Lord servant is to bring Israel back to the Lord, he cannot be national Israel. His body is Jewish, because Mary was Jewish. His human nature is from his mother. His deity was given by his Father (Isa. 9:6). The Hebrew "shua" means salvation. Yahwehshua (Y'shua) is the Saviour, the Redeemer, Yahweh of hosts of Isa. 44:6. He will bring Israel back to Yahweh.

Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first (YHVH, the King of Israel), AND I am the last (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer); and beside me there is no God."

Isa 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first (YHVH king of Israel), and with the last (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer, Isa. 44:6); I AM HE."

Isa 43:10 says, "Ye (Israel) are my witnesses, saith the LORD (YHVH), and my servant (Israel) whom I have chosen: that ye (Israel) may know and believe me (YHVH), and understand that I AM HE (both YHVH king of Israel and YHVH of hosts): before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me." II Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ (Y'shua) reconciling the world (including Israel) unto himself." > > Moreover, a dying Messiah in not part of the Jewish messianic paradigm, which describes a Messiah that shows up only once, and who will succeed in executing the messianic agenda during his reign as king of Israel.

Then why will he come as both the former and the latter rain? In Hos. 5:15, the Mashiach, YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer, says, "I will go and RETURN TO MY PLACE (HEAVEN), till they (Israelites) acknowledge their (Israel's) offence, and seek my (YHVH of host's) face: in their affliction they (Israel) will seek me (YHVH of hosts) early." As Hos. 6:1-3 continues, Israel is talking. "Come, and let us (Israel) return unto the LORD (YHVH): for he (YHVH of hosts) hath torn, and he (YHVH of hosts) will heal us; he (YHVH of hosts) hath smitten, and he (YHVH of hosts) will bind us (Israel) up. After two days (i.e., 2000 years) will he (YHVH) revive us (Israel): in the third day (3rd millennium) he (YHVH of hosts) will raise us up (fulfilled in 1948), and we shall live in his sight. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD (YHVH of hosts): his (YHVH of host's) going forth is prepared as the morning; and he (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer) shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth."

The First Advent is as the former rain (Tishri 1, first day of the Civil Year). The Second Advent is as the latter rain (Nisan 1, first day of the Regnal and Sacred Year)." It is the Regnal Year because he is King of kings. It is the Sacred Year because he is our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek.

The day, Nisan 1, first day of the first month, is given in Eze. 29:17. Then v. 21 says, "In that day will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the Word, the Logos) in the midst of them; and they (Israel) shall know that I am the LORD."

> > The Jewish rendition relates that the servant was hurt as a result of the iniquitous acts of the (Gentile) nations, i.e., the cause was the behavior of the (Gentile) nations against the servant and the effect was his being hurt. > > The Christian rendition attempts to convey the message that the servant vicariously took on the sins of the people, which caused him, and not them, to bear the consequences, i.e., the servant took on the iniquities of others and, thereby, causing their sins to be expiated through his suffering. This, of course, is forbidden according to the teachings of the Hebrew Bible. The Hebrew Bible strictly forbids (human) vicarious atonement every person is responsible for his or her own sins (e.g., Exod 32:31-33; Num 35:33; Deut 24:16; II Kgs 14:6; Jer 31:29[30 in Christian Bibles]; Ezek 18:4,20; Ps 49:7-8).

Isa 49:7 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH), the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One (Y'shua), to him (Y'shua) whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation (Israel) abhorreth, to a servant (Y'shua) of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel (Y'shua), and he (Y'shua) shall choose thee" (Israel).

> > The Jewish rendition relates that the servant was hurt as a result of the iniquitous acts of the (Gentile) nations, i.e., the cause was the behavior of the (Gentile) nations against the servant and the effect was his being hurt. The Christian rendition attempts to convey the message that the servant vicariously took on the sins of the people, which caused him, and not them, to bear the consequences, i.e., the servant took on the iniquities of others and, thereby, causing their sins to be expiated through his suffering. This, of course, is forbidden according to the teachings of the Hebrew Bible. The Hebrew Bible strictly forbids (human) vicarious atonement every person is responsible for his or her own sins."

Why then is YHVH of hosts the Redeemer (Isa. 44:6)? If man could be saved already, there would have been no reason for YHVH to send YHVH of hosts to be our Redeemer.

Here is Isa. 53:3-5 in the KJV. Compare it with the Stone Edition below. Your own favorite translation agrees with this. The KJV says, "HE is despised and rejected of men; A MAN (not all Israel) of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and WE (the servant Israel) hid as it were OUR faces from HIM (the servant Y'shua); HE was despised, and WE (Israel) esteemed HIM (Y'shua) not. Surely HE (Y'shua) hath borne OUR griefs, and carried OUR sorrows: yet WE (Israel) did esteem HIM (Y'SHUA) stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But HE (Y'SHUA) was wounded for OUR (Israel's) transgressions, HE was bruised for OUR (Israel's) iniquities: the chastisement of OUR (Israel's) peace was upon HIM; and with HIS stripes WE (Israel) are healed. ALL WE (Israel and the whole world) like sheep have gone astray; WE have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD (YHVH) hath laid on HIM the iniquity of us ALL" (all mankind).

Isa. 52:10; 53:1-6 in the Stone Edition agrees."HASHEM (YHVH) has bared HIS (YHVH'S) HOLY ARM (Mashiach Ben David, Y'shua) before the EYES of all the nations; all ends of the earth will see THE SALVATION OF OUR GOD!...For whom has THE ARM OF HASHEM (YHVH of hosts the Redeemer) been REVEALED! (for us) Formerly HE (YHVH's HOLY ARM) grew like a sapling or like a root from arid ground; HE (YHVH's HOLY ARM) had neither form nor grandeur; we saw HIM (YHVH's HOLY ARM), but without such visage that WE could desire HIM. HE (YHVH's HOLY ARM) was despised and isolated from men, A MAN (Y'SHUA, not all Israel) of pains and accustomed to illness. As ONE from whom WE (Isreal) would hide OUR faces; HE was despised, and WE (Israel) HAD NO REGARD FOR HIM. but in truth, IT WAS OUR ILLS THAT HE (YHVH's HOLY ARM, Y'SHUA) BORE, and our pains that HE (YHVH's HOLY ARM) carried--but WE had regarded HIM (YHVH's HOLY ARM, Y'SHUA) diseased, stricken by God, and afflicted! HE (YHVH's HOLY ARM) WAS PAINED BECAUSE OF OUR REBELLIOUS SINS and oppressed through OUR iniquities; the chastisement upon HIM was for OUR benefit, and THROUGH HIS (YHVH's HOLY ARM'S, Y'SHUA'S) WOUNDS, WE WERE HEALED. WE have ALL strayed like sheep, each of US turning his own way, and HASHEM INFLICTED UPON HIM (YHVH'S HOLY ARM) THE INIQUITY OF US ALL" (Israel and the Gentiles).

You told me that the Stone Edition was the only correct translation. Now, believe what it says. This is Scripture, God's word of truth. We are obligated to believe what he says. Don't accept what men say when Scripture disagrees. The scriptures are God-breathed. They are truth. Don't allow men to twist them. Defend God's word, not man's word.

> > Isaiah 53:6 - We all went astray like sheep, we have turned, each one on his way, and the L-rd inflicted upon him [or, accepted his prayers for] the iniquity of all of us.
> > Isaiah 53:6(KJV) - All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
> > The last phrase of this verse may be translated in two ways, as shown in the Jewish rendition. Although the common rendition is similar to the KJV translation, it does not convey the message of vicarious atonement that is being promoted in the KJV.

But the Stone Edition says, "THROUGH HIS (YHVH's HOLY ARM'S, Y'SHUA'S) WOUNDS, WE WERE HEALED. WE have ALL strayed like sheep, each of US turning his own way, and HASHEM INFLICTED UPON HIM (YHVH'S HOLY ARM) THE INIQUITY OF US ALL" (Israel and the Gentiles)..

> > One final issue remains to be resolved before the Verification stage can begin how will Jesus be included in this process? According to Christian theology, this is not a problem since, to Christians, Jesus is the Messiah. However, though "the Messiah" is a concept that is central to Judaism, equating this title with Jesus is "out-of-bounds" and unacceptable, since Jesus is irrelevant in Judaism.

Just declaring Jesus irrelevant doesn't make it so. In Mt. 24:38, Jesus told the Pharisees in 30 AD, "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate." He also indicated that this would come upon that generation. It did, in 70 AD. The house is still desolate today. Why? because the majority of Jews declare "Jesus irrelevant in Judaism." The Messianic Jews know better.

Mat 23:27-38 says, "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate."

> > Could Jesus' appearance have been marred and his features disfigured from the treatment described in the New Testament to such an extent that he was unrecognizable as a person? And, remember, this all took place over a short period prior to his crucifixion.
> > What did he look like throughout the rest of his life span? Was he also in this condition? And, if he were, why would G-d choose such a body for Himself?

Maybe this will help you visualize what he looked like at death. The Resurrection Body would be restored to a normal look.

"SHROUD OF TURIN REVEALS X-RAY"

http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/news.asp
In short, the image includes an x-ray of the skull, complete with eye sockets, sinus and nasal cavities and teeth showing even the roots of the teeth above the gum lines.

The features of the hands actually contain an x-ray of the bones, not only in the fingers, but in the palms as well.

Dr. Whanger concluded that the images on the cloth had to be produced by some kind of internal radiation from within the body....

The only logical conclusion at this point is the Shekinah or primeval light from a higher dimension entered this earthly realm and imparted life back into the dead flesh and bones the body that had been drained of its blood.

The shroud caught the moment and photographically recorded the evidence of the resurrection.

SHROUD OF TURIN NAMES THE CRUCIFIED MAN

http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/news.asp

...Dr. Alan Whanger, of Duke University, developing a special technique using polarized lenses to study the shroud, has found the Greek letters for "Nazareth" apparently photographed into the fibers of the cloth!

The letters appear to be from the title board that was placed above Jesus' head on the cross....It seems that the sign was laid beside the left leg of our Savior at burial, and was under the shroud at the time the image was formed on the fibers of the shroud....

She (Constantine's mother) divided the board, sending one to Constantinople, and taking the other to Rome...it presently resides in the 'Basilica of the Holy Cross in Jerusalem.'"

...Amazingly, Dr. Whanger found that its letters match those found on the shroud. Now we know. The "crucified man" has been identified!

> > Isaiah 53:12 King James Version Rendition
> > Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
> > A Jewish Translation from Hebrew
> > Therefore, I will allot him a portion among the multitudes, and with the mighty he shall share booty, because he has bared his soul to death, and with transgressors he was counted; and he bore the sin of many, and he will [continue to] intercede for the transgressors.

Even though Uri Yosef tried to keep the reader from zeroing in on the fact that Y'shua "BORE THE SIN OF MANY" by highlighting other parts of the sentence and putting it in the 6th file, he couldn't help but record the truth that "HE BORE THE SIN OF MANY." Thank you Lord.

To me, the fact that "HE BORE THE SIN OF MANY" proves that Y'shua is the YHVH of hosts (KJV), Master of Legions (Stone), the Redeemer (both KJV and Stone), of Isa. 44:6. The Stone Edition says, "Thus said HASHEM (YHVH), King of Israel AND ITS REDEEMER, HASHEM (YHVH), MASTER OF LEGIONS: I AM THE FIRST (YHVH king of Israel) AND I AM THE LAST (Israel's 'Redeemer,' YHVH Master of legions), AND ASIDE FROM ME THERE IS NO GOD."

Then Israel's Redeemer is God. II Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself." Christ/Mashiach also said, "I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE" (Luke 10:30).

Compare Isa. 53:12 in the Jewish Stone Edition. It says, "Therefore, I will assign HIM (the servant Y'shua, not them, the servant Israel) a portion from the multitudes and HE will divide the mighty as spoils -- IN RETURN FOR HAVING POURED OUT HIS (not Israel's) SOUL FOR DEATH and being counted among the wicked, for HE (Y'shua) BORE THE SIN OF THE MULTITUDES, and prayed for the wicked."

At his First Advent, Y'shua stood up in a synagogue and read Isa. 61:1,2. Here it is in the Stone Edition. "The spirit of my Lord, HASHEM/Elohim, is upon me, because HASHEM has anointed me to bring tidings to the humbled; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for captives and release from bondage for the imprisoned, TO PROCLAIM A YEAR OF FAVOR UNTO HASHEM." That year was 30 AD. In Luke 4:21 (KJV), Y'shua finished with these words after sitting down. "THIS DAY IS THIS SCRIPTURE FULFILLED IN YOUR EARS." He didn't read the rest of the sentence, "and a day of vengeance," for this is still future. I think it will be Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007).

> > This verse describes a servant who will be compensated for having risked his life in dangerous situations, even to the point where he was counted among the criminals. And while he has borne the sins of others, he will continue to intercede on their behalf.

In spite of himself, Uri Yosef stated the truth. His mind was supplying the servant Israel for Y'shua, but instead, it is Y'shua that "has borne the sins of others." Israel has been punished for her own sins. In Lev. 26:28 (KJV), YHVH said, "if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins."

> > It seems then, that the interpretation of Isaiah 53 as the scenario for the suffering, crucifixion, and resurrection of Jesus is a later invention of the Church.

Isaiah was written way before the Church came upon the scene, about BC 712..

> > If this chapter really were about (human) vicarious atonement, how could one reconcile it with passages such as Exodus 32:31-33, Numbers 35:33, Deuteronomy 24:16, II Kings 14:6, Jeremiah 31:29[30 in Christian Bibles], Ezekiel 18:4,20, Psalms 49:7-8? The Hebrew Bible strictly forbids (human) vicarious atonement everyone is responsible for his/her own sins. No person can take punishment for another person's sins. Ex. 32:31-33 (LXX, so I can Copy and Paste from e-Sword) says, "Moses returned to the Lord and said, I pray, O Lord, this people has sinned a great sin, and they have made for themselves golden gods. forgive it; and if not, blot me out of thy book, which thou hast written. And the Lord (YHVH) said to Moses, If any one has sinned against me, I will blot them out of my book."

All of us have sinned. None has saved himself. Even Moses sinned when he struck the rock instead of obeying the Lord's words - to speak to the rock. Therefore, all need a Redeemer. We either trust Y'shua as our Redeemer or go to Hell....

Deu 24:16 (24:18) "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, and the sons shall not be put to death for the fathers; every one shall be put to death for his own sin."

II Kings 14:6: "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, and the children shall not be put to death for the fathers; but every one shall die for his own sins."

That is why God had to send his own son to die for us. No mere man could be the Redeemer.

Jeremiah 31:29[30 in Christian Bibles]: Jer 31:29 (38:29) [29-32] "In those days they shall certainly not say, The fathers ate a sour grape, and the children's teeth were set on edge. But every one shall die in his own sin; and the teeth of him that eats the sour grape shall be set on edge.Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Juda: not according to the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day when I took hold of their hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; for they abode not in my covenant, and I disregarded them, saith the Lord."

As a nation, Israel disobeyed and was divorced. Isa 50:1 says, "Thus saith the Lord, Of what kind is your mother's bill of divorcement, by which I put her away? or to which debtor have I sold you? Behold, ye are sold for your sins, and for your iniquities have I put your mother away."

Jer 3:8 says, "I saw that (for all the sins of which she was convicted, wherein the house of Israel committed adultery, and I put her away, and gave into her hands a bill of divorcement,) yet faithless Juda feared not, but went and herself also committed fornication."

Ezekiel 18:4,20: "4 For all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son, they are mine: the soul that sins, it shall die....20 the soul that sins shall die: and the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, nor shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the iniquity of the transgressor shall be upon him."

Since no one has been without sin, without a Redeemer, we are all sunk.

Psa 49:7,8 (48:7,8) "A brother does not redeem, shall a man redeem? he shall not give to God a ransom for himself, or the price of the redemption of his soul, though he labour for ever."

A man cannot redeem himself. Neither can another man redeem his brother.

> > No person can take punishment for another person's sins.
> > So, the serious, open-minded Bible students need to ask themselves the question, "Can Jesus really be the subject of Isaiah 53?"

Yes! and that's the only way we can be saved. Acts 4:10-12 (KJV) says, "Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Shalom and agape

His reply

Re: Okay...Let me admit
Marilyn, Okay. To be fair, I will look at this issue of Y'shua again and very closely. Your prayers are appreciated even though I've been a jerk. Rich

My reply

Great! Thank you Lord. In Y'shua's name, Amen.

Rich, you deserve a chance to be where Abraham has chosen to be, in the heavenly New Jerusalem. With Abraham will be Sarah, Abel, Enoch and Noah. They all lived before Moses was given the Law. Actually, they were all saved by faith in YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer (Isa. 44:6).

We are saved by faith in Y'shua. YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer was in him reconciling the world unto himself. II Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself."

So what do we need to do to be saved? Rom. 10:9-11 says, "if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."

Heb 11:1-16 says, "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders (12 patriarchs of Israel and 12 apostles of Israel) obtained a good report. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. By faith Enoch was translated (raptured) that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out (Israel on Earth), they might have had opportunity to have returned (from Heaven to Israel on Earth). BUT NOW THEY DESIRE A BETTER COUNTRY, THAT IS, AN HEAVENLY: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for HE HATH PREPARED FOR THEM A CITY" ("new Jerusalem," Rev. 3:12; 21:9f). Job is probably the oldest book in the Bible. In Job 19:25, he said, "I know that my REDEEMER liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth." Psa 19:14 says, "Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD (YHVH), my strength, AND my REDEEMER." Psa 78:35 says, "they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their REDEEMER." Isa 41:14 says, "Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the LORD (YHVH), and thy REDEEMER, the Holy One of Israel."

Isa 43:14 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH), your REDEEMER, the Holy One of Israel."

Isa 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, AND his REDEEMER the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first (YHVH King of Israel), AND I am the last (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer); and beside me there is no God."

Isa 44:24 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH), thy REDEEMER, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD (YHVH) that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself."

Isa 47:4 says, "AS FOR OUR REDEEMER, THE LORD OF HOSTS IS HIS NAME, the Holy One of Israel."

Isa 49:7 says, "Thus saith the LORD, the REDEEMER of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he (YHVH of hosts the Redeemer) shall choose thee."

Isa. 49:26 says, "all flesh shall know that I the LORD (YHVH) am THY SAVIOUR AND THY REDEEMER, the mighty One of Jacob."

Pro 30:4 says, "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name (YHVH), and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?"

Isa 54:5 says, "For thy Maker is thine husband; THE LORD OF HOSTS IS HIS NAME; AND THY REDEEMER THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL; THE GOD OF THE WHOLE EARTH SHALL HE BE CALLED."

Isa 9:6,7 says, "For unto us a child is born (Y'shua, inheriting his human nature from his mother), unto us a son is given (the Son of God, inheriting his deity from his father): and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts (the Redeemer) will perform this."

Isa 60:16 says, "thou shalt know that I THE LORD (YHVH) AM THY SAVIOUR AND THY REDEEMER, the mighty One OF JACOB."

Our Saviour is one of a kind, both man and God, both YHVH of hosts the Redeemer and Y'shua, descended from Jacob through his mother Mary.

Jer 50:34 says, "Their REDEEMER is strong; THE LORD OF HOSTS IS HIS NAME." Agape

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