Pro and Con 938

Posted 8-15-02

Someone nice sent me several neat pencil drawings. I appreciate them and will share them, one at a time.

One to watch

Amram Mitzna speaks during a press conference in Tel Aviv August 13, 2002. Mitzna, the mayor of the Jewish-Arab city of Haifa and a former Israeli army general known for his left-wing views, announced on Tuesday his candidacy to lead Israel's Labor Party and called for an immediate return to peace talks with the Palestinians. "THERE IS NO MORE TIME. We must, without delay, start talks with the Palestinians, so that the two sides can return to the path of peace. There is no need for preconditions," he said. REUTERS/Havakuk Levison

Leftist Mayor Announces Bid to Unseat Sharon
As the Leader of Labor Party, He'd Push for Peace
by Danielle Haas

San Francisco Chronicle 8-14-02 JERUSALEM -- Declaring there is "NO TIME LEFT" to waste before returning to the negotiating table with Palestinians, the popular mayor of Israel's northern city of Haifa declared his candidacy Tuesday for the Labor Party chairmanship and for prime minister....

Mitzna said that if new peace talks with the Palestinians were to fail within a given time frame, he would draw Israel's border unilaterally and uproot Jewish settlements in the West Bank east of the line....

"A unilateral move is obviously less good than a peace agreement, but it would bring us security separation and a secure border," he said. "The world will then have to advance Palestinian society, and a new diplomatic horizon and peace agreement will be the eventual result."

An international force would rule Jerusalem's Old City, with Jews responsible for their holy sites and Muslims for theirs, he said....

Incoming email

Muasher: Major powers to discuss new Mideast peace plan next month, By Randa Habib
http://www.jordantimes.com/Wed/homenews/homenews2.htm "In the next few weeks a peace plan will be thrashed out in time to be submitted to the quartet for discussion on the sidelines of the UN meeting in New York in September," Muasher said, referring to the four key diplomatic players the United States, Russia, the European Union and the United Nations itself.

Pope Calls for International Force in Mideast to assist peacemaking efforts between Israel and the PA 8-11-02

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=28224

Incoming e-mail, Re: Passover dates 26-34 A.D.

http://www.judaismvschristianity.com/Passover_dates.htm
The following astronomical data was obtained from the U.S. Naval Observatory Astronomical Applications Department....
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/SpringPhenom.html

...The times of day given in the chart...have been adjusted +2 hours from U.S. Naval Observatory figures to account for the difference between Jerusalem Israel and Greenwich England (universal) time.

It should also be noted that the first evening of a visible crescent moon is always after sundown and after the beginning of a new day on the Hebrew calendar. This day correlates to the following day on the Julian calendar. The observation of the new crescent moon occurs right at the beginning of first day of the month as opposed to the end of the first day....

5) The Jewish calendar calculates the molad of the seventh month (Tishri) and then determines Day One of the seventh month by first considering the postponement rules; and then designates Day One of the first month (Nisan) as being 177 days before Tishri 1. A comparison with real new moon times reveals that the molad of Tishri ranges from being up to 4 hours earlier than the astronomically calculated new moon to being 16 hours later than the astronomically calculated new moon. 6) It also becomes clear that, instead of there always being exactly 177 days between the new moons of the first month and the seventh month as the Jewish calendar assumes, there may be anything from 176 days to 178 days between those two new moons.

My comments

The Navy chart shows Friday, April 7, as Nisan 14, Passover, in 30 AD. That is exactly as I thought from former research. I think the Crucifixion Day was on the Preparation of the Passover, Nisan 13, Thursday, April 6, 30 AD.

On the Jewish Calendar, the months between Nisan 1 and Tishri 1 always have the same number of days: Nisan 30, Iyar 29, Sivan 30, Tamuz 29, Av 30 and Elul 29. The total is always 177 days.

The calendar is now figured by finding the NYD (New Year Day), Tishri 1, calculated mathematically from the first New Moon when the calendar began. No other month is set this way.

When NYD was found by visually sighting the New Moon of Tishri, I don't think they had to look for the New Moon for the other months, just at the beginning of the year, Tishri 1.

Incoming email, Re: A Watch Date (September 6, 2000)- By: Bernie

I am not sure if you saw this on the 5 Doves or not. See link below. Keep up the watch.
http://www.fivedoves.com/latterdayletters/showletter.php?id=1895
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Fellow Watchers--here is a date to watch.

I would like to share a word I received through prayer. I absolutely believe the word was from the Lord, but I could be absolutely wrong. So please use your discernment when reading this experience, keeping in mind it is only a word and not The Word.

In May I decided to get off the roller coaster ride that many watchers experience from failed rapture dates--I determined I would seek the Lord about the actual rapture season.

The Word says if we ask ANYTHING according to His will we have our petition. (1Jn 5:15) So I first established in my mind that my knowing the rapture date was his will.***

Then, each day I prayed a promise of answered prayer from the bible and asked if the rapture will happen in days, weeks, months or years?

I vowed to the Lord that by His Grace I would pray this prayer every day until either I die, the rapture happens or He answers my petition.

Exactly seven days later while studying the last trump I rested my head on the back of the chair and I heard from within in a clear, still-quiet voice:

September 6

I looked for the date on a calendar--I was shocked--the day after September 6 is the Feast of Trumpets! I pictured the fall feasts as occuring in October, last week of September at the earliest, never as early as September 7

In the instant I heard this word I somehow knew this was the answer to the rapture prayer and somehow knew it was this year.

September 6 in my timezone (EDST) may or may not be September 7 in Israel.

Bottom line? --yet another date to watch!

Gleanings:
One prophetic year (360 days) back from September 6, 2002 takes us to 9/ll, the World Trade Center Disaster on September 11, 2001.

120 days back from September 6, 2002 is Ascension Day, May 9....

IF our Lord was crucified in 30 AD
IF Pentecost starts the church age
THEN, From Pentecost, Sunday, May 28, 30 AD to September 6, 2002, is 720,360** days. This equals 2001 prophetic years. If we go back one day for a total of 720,359 days we get 2000.99 years. So give or take a day, September 06 may be either the last day of the 2000 year-long church age or the first day after the church age ends....

I believe the context of the scripture about not knowing the date is not speaking of the rapture. ("Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour (when Heaven and earth shall pass away) knoweth no man." (Matthew 24:35)

A close reading of scripture convinced me that both Enoch and Elijah, the closest example of a rapture we have*, knew of their translation before the event.

I could find no scripture indicating we could not know the rapture season. I reasoned: The Apostle Paul did not know the season because the blessed hope (Titus 2:13) could not be a hope to those saints who came before us if they knew the rapture would be thousands, hundreds, decades of years past their lifespan. But for those of us already watching and living in the season of His return, that blessed hope is NOW--the hope is about to be seen!

Romans. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

(Scripture uses a different word to describe Our Lord's ascension --anabaino (climb up)-- the word means he ascended in His own power.)

My reply

Thanks. I'm glad I didn't miss this one. I hope the Sept. 6 date is for real, but if not, I will wait patiently. The Lord always knows best.

Just wondering. We know that towers will be built in Babylon and the temple will be built in Jerusalem. Saddam Hussain could have something to do with both. The first may be one way to get UN inspectors into Iraq. The second could be because Iraq hit the temple mount in Jerusalem with a missile. Time will tell. Things seem about ready to pop. Agape

Incoming email, Rapture - Saturday, September 7, 2002

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My reply

> > THE WORD OF TRUTH, Rapture - Saturday, September 7, 2002 Daniel's 70 'Weeks' - by James Welch

I think the Rapture might be on the Eve of Trumpets, Sept. 6, 2002. In Mt. 24:20, Jesus told the disciples, "pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day." Sept. 7 is a Sabbath day. I think Eve, the bride, was taken out of the body of Adam on the Eve of Trumpets, i.e., Elul 29. Therefore, maybe the Bride of Christ will be taken out of the Body of Christ on Sept. 6, 2002, the Eve of Trumpets.

I think God rested on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, after creating Adam and Eve. That would be a logical day for us to enter our rest too. Psa. 149 says, "Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds."

Psa 132:8 is interesting. It says, "Arise, O LORD, into thy rest; thou, and the ark of thy strength." The Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37). Therefore, the "ark" is an appropriate reference at the Rapture. It stood for Christ the Saviour. We are in Christ, in the ark of his strength. When he rests, maybe on the 7th day, we rest.

> > The command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was given by Artaxerxes (Longimanus) during the 20th year of his reign in the spring, during the Jewish month of Nisan. The "LORD (YHVH), thy redeemer" told us different. In Isa. 44:28, he said, "That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid."

> > "R. Hisda said: The rule [that New Year for kings is in Nisan] was only meant to apply to the kings of Israel, but the years of non-Israelitish kings are reckoned from Tishri..." (Talmud, Rosh HaShanah, 3a) > > The next passage, also from the Talmud, shows that if an Israelite king rose to the throne in the middle of a year, then his second regnal year began on the next 1 Nisan. Note that Adar is the month before Nisan. > > "Our Rabbis learnt: If a king ascended the throne on the twenty-ninth of Adar, as soon as the first of Nisan arrives he is reckoned to have reigned a year. If on the other hand he ascended the throne on the first of Nisan, he is not reckoned to have reigned a year till the next first of Nisan comes round." (Talmud, Rosh HaShanah 2a)

That is interesting. I think Christ will be crowned King of kings and Lord of lords in Heaven on Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5768, Sept. 13, 2007. The year 5768 is a Leap Year with a 13th month, Adar II. According to Eze. 39:12,13, seven Jewish months will go by. Then Christ will return to Earth on Nisan 1, as in Eze. 29:17,21 and Hos. 6:3. The information you found would make his 2nd year start at the 2nd Advent. That's fitting.

> > Nehemiah received the word from Artaxerxes to rebuild the city of Jerusalem the following spring, in the Jewish month of Nisan, 446 BC.
> > According to Daniel, 7 + 62 = 69 'weeks' would pass from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to "Messiah the Prince." Let us now add 69 'weeks' to the first of Nisan the new moon of March 24, 446 BC, at 11:04 a.m., (not sure what time zone) so we can see the period of "Messiah the Prince." Adding 69 'weeks' (173,888 days, which is 476 years and 29 days) to the first of Nisan, March 24, 446 BC, at 11:04 a.m. brings us to Sunday April 22, 31 A.D. only one year exists between 1 BC and AD 1). It was on this day that Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey. What we call today "PALM SUNDAY".
> > At the moment the 69th 'week' ended, Messiah was to become "mashiach nagid" (Hebrew for "Messiah the ruler"), he was to be "karat" (Hebrew for 'cut off' or 'removed') and he was to become "ain" (Hebrew for 'nothing'). Here is how a modern Jewish Bible translates the last two concepts: > > "...the anointed one will disappear and vanish." (Daniel 9:26)48
> > These things may have been physically fulfilled the day Jesus rode into Jerusalem.
> > Jesus Weeps over Jerusalem
> > Luke - 41 As he came near and saw the city, he wept over it, 42saying, "If you, even you, had only recognized on this day the things that make for peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43Indeed, the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up ramparts around you and surround you, and hem you in on every side. 44They will crush you to the ground, you and your children within you, and they will not leave within you one stone upon another; because you did not recognize the time of your visitation from God."
> > Jesus, the chief cornerstone for peace, vanished from their sight, he was not physically removed from the earth, the thing's that made for the peace of Jerusalem was hidden from their sight.

Jesus was "cut off, but not for himself" (ain, lit., shall have nothing). He was killed for us, not for himself. He was not killed on Palm Sunday, though. I think the Crucifixion was Thursday, April 6, 30 AD, Nisan 13, the Eve of Passover, the Preparation for the Passover.

John 19:14 says, "it was the preparation of the passover."

> > Daniel prophesied that after the 62 weeks (after 7 + 62, or 69 consecutive weeks), Messiah was to be 'cut off' and Jerusalem and the Temple would be destroyed. Messiah physically left the earth in AD 31.

I believe Jesus ascended in 30 AD, probably on May 29.

> > Daniel then wrote: "Then he (the president of the United State's) shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate..." (Daniel 9:27 NKJ)

I don't think any president of the US will "bring an end to sacrifice and offering." The Jews would never accept our president as their Messiah. I'm convinced that the Satan-possessed False Prophet will be a Jew.

> > From Palm Sunday April 22, 31 A.D. to Rosh Hashanah the feast of Trumpet's, which begin's sundown Friday September 6, 2002, exactly 360.01657 day's after the 9/11 disaster in New York, and ends sundown Saturday September 7, 2002, it is 720,033.14 day's between those date's.
> > Since God raised Jesus from the dead on a Saturday night then it would be logical to assume he will raise his church up on a Saturday night Jerusalem time.

Jesus was resurrected on Sunday. The first day of the week was the 3rd day "since"--Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

> > (Daniel 9:27 NKJ)...refers directly back to "the prince who is to come" in verse 26.49 "...the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary..." (Daniel 9:26 NKJ) This prince is the one many call the "antichrist" (substitue for messiah, President John Fitzgerald Kennedy), who will come out of the Revived Roman Empire (America). We know this because verse 26 prophesied that his people destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple (Roman soldiers drawn from the empire destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in AD 70), and yet he (the prince) is still to come.

I don't think any of our presidents will be the Satan-possessed False Prophet Antichrist. America is not the "Revived Roman Empire," either. When the Roman Empire ended, the power was continued in the Popes. I think the head of this Roman Ecclesiastical Empire will be the Beast that "is" in power as the Rapture takes place (Rev. 17:10). We can tell that the time of Rev. 17 is when the Rapture has just taken place by v. 14.

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Rev 17:10-14 says, "there are seven kings: five are fallen (kings of Babel, Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, Rome) and one is (the Pope), and the other (the False Prophet) is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space (the Great Tribulation that is to be shortened, Mt. 24:21,22). And the beast (Satan) that was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man at the Rapture), even he (Satan) is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet (at the time of the Rapture); but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall (later on) overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they (members of the Bride of Christ) that ARE with him (right now) are called, and chosen, and faithful." The Rapture has just taken place.

> > *A calendar discovered at Qumran suggests that a minority Jewish first-century sect used a 364-day solar calendar. This may account for the Passover discrepancy between the synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke) and the gospel of John.

There is no discrepancy. All four gospels agree.

> > Time calculation from http://www.timeanddate.com
From: Tuesday September 11, 2001 at 08:45:00 a.m. to: Friday September 6, 2002 at 10:45:00 a.m.
> > It is 360 days, 2 hours, 0 minutes and 0 seconds between those dates

In other words, it is exactly 360 days from Sept. 11, 2001 at 8:45 AM to Sept. 6, 2002 at 8:45 AM. That's very interesting since I think the Rapture may take place on Sept. 6, 2002, the Eve of Trumpets. 911 would be one big sign. News of it certainly went world-wide. Afterward, at the Memorial Service, Billy Graham's gospel message went world-wide too. In Mt. 24:14, Jesus said, "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." Get ready.

Incoming email, Re: Trumpets Fulfilled in the Bride of Christ

From: De Trefethen

In my correspondence with many dear siblings in Yeshua, I have received some of your articles. I recently read something of yours in regards to September 6, 2002 being the possible date for the rapture of the bride of Christ. I did a great deal of research and I believe that Holy Spirit let my spiritual eyes see. I have been looking at the feasts to fit in order for Israel. I kept coming up with this year, 2002 as the probable rapture year for the bride. I wrote this to a friend and thought I would send it on to you as well.

What I realized was this, in the scope of the bride of Christ and her relationship with God/Yeshua, we have not quite focused on the right thing.

In Yeshua these feast have been fulfilled: PASSOVER, UNLEAVEN BREAD, FIRSTFRUITS, and PENTECOST, yes? PENTECOST is of course the middle of the seven feasts. Yeshua was cut off in the middle... Therefore the next scheduled feasts to be fulfilled would be the remaining three... TRUMPETS (ROSH HASHANA), followed by ATONEMENT, (YOM KIPPUR), and finally TABERNACLES. I'm liking this picture, because ROSH HASHANA i.e., TRUMPETS is fast approaching and from all the calculations that we have going back and forth with this is the exact year that TRUMPETS should be fulfilled in the bride, YES?... 2002/5762... This is the time for us to hear the TRUMP of GOD... We will experience the fulfilling of ATONEMENT and TABERNACLES in order at the appointed time. I am thrilled all over again. I believe this makes way more sense to me.

Remember that Israel is still waiting for their Messiah. They missed Him at PASSOVER, UNLEAVENED BREAD, FIRSTFRUITS, and PENTECOST. They will also miss Him at TRUMPETS. However, after we, the bride of Christ are removed from the earth and J.T. is fulfilled... Antichrist, Jerusalem is trodden down of the Gentiles, etc., YESHUA at the appointed time, removes her veil and Israel will have eyes to see their blessed Messiah, whereby they will say, BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD.

We are here right now my dear friend, this scenario for the bride of Christ is the best that I have looked at yet. It makes perfect sense to me.

Love/De~ of the Departure Ready family
http://www.Departing.InJesus.com

My reply

I appreciate your sending this to me.

> > TRUMPETS is fast approaching and from all the calculations that we have going back and forth with this is the exact year that TRUMPETS should be fulfilled in the bride, YES?... 2002/5762.

What leads you to 2002 as the year of the Rapture?

If the Rapture is on the Eve of Trumpets in 2002, the Jewish date will be Elul 29, 5762. If it is on the Feast of Trumpets, that New Year's Day will be Tishri 1, 5763.

What suggests 2002 as a possible year for the Rapture to me is the fact that Jacob went to Joseph in the 2nd bad year. At that time, there were 5 years of famine left (Gen. 45:6).

If the 7 good years began when the Oslo Accords were signed on Sept. 13, 1993, adding 7 good years would bring us to Sept. 13, 2000. Adding the 7 bad years brings us to Sept. 13, 2007, which is Tishri 1, 5768.

Let's look at it from the standpoint of the Jewish Calendar. The Oslo Accords were ratified in Israel 3 days later on Tishri 1, 5754. Adding the 7 good years brings us to Tishri 1, 5761. Adding the 7 bad years brings us to Tishri 1, 5768, which is Sept. 13, 2007.

The 1st bad year would start Tishri 1, 5761 and end as Tishri 1, 6762 began. The 2nd bad year would end as Tishri 1, 5763 began. Elul 29, the Eve of Trumpets, would be the last day of the 2nd bad year. It's coming up Sept. 6, 2002.

Another reason I think the Eve of Trumpets could be the Rapture of the Bride of Christ, I think Eve was taken out of the body of the 1st Adam on Friday, Elul 29. The next day was Saturday, the Sabbath Day when God rested on Tishri 1.

We will be entering into the time of God's rest at the time of the Rapture. This way, the Bride of Christ would be taken out of the Body of the 2nd Adam on the Eve of Trumpets too. Sept. 6, 2002 is also on Friday. Then the Bride would rest on the Sabbath.

Heb. 4:1-11 tells us that we have a promise of entering into his rest. It says, "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For WE WHICH HAVE BELIEVED DO ENTER INTO REST, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world (kosmos, orderly arrangement of things). For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus (i.e., YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer; Isa. 44:6) had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. THERE REMAINETH THEREFORE A REST (SABBATISMOS, Sabbatism, figuratively, the repose of God's people in Heaven) TO THE PEOPLE OF GOD. FOR HE THAT IS ENTERED (i.e., raptured) INTO HIS REST (katapausis,reposing in his abode, which is Heaven), HE ALSO HATH CEASED FROM HIS OWN WORKS, AS GOD DID FROM HIS. LET US LABOUR THEREFORE TO ENTER INTO THAT REST, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (Psa. 95:11)."

I looked at the "Seven Reasons Why the Rapture Cannot Come After the Tribulation," by bubba jones, on your site. He didn't understand what the "body" and "eagles" stand for. I think I can help with that. He said,

> > Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And He said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, there will the eagles be gathered together" (Luke 17:3437). > > "Eagles" is better translated "vultures." "Body" means "corpse" according to the parallel passage Matthew 24:28. Those taken on that day end up as corpses for vultures to feed on. This cannot be the rapture.

This "body" is the Body of Christ, the Bride who was taken to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture. The "eagles" are the Tribulation saints. They will join the Bride in Heaven at the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

Ex. 19:4 is a type. It says, "Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself."

Isa 40:31 explains that at a Rapture, "they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."

Bubba Jones must not realize that there are 2 Raptures, one before the Tribulation, the other at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation. The 1st Rapture (Rev. 4:1) is before the 1st seal is broken in Rev. 6. The 2nd Rapture is between the breaking of the 6th and 7th seals (Rev. 6:12; 7:14; 8:1). Agape

My outgoing e-mail to Rich Pope

Since I told you about the 7 Dispensations, maybe I should also tell you about the 3 Ages of Time and the 1000-year Day of the Lord.

They are set in the same 7000+ year span of time. The Dispensation of Innocence is not included in the 1st Age of Time, because Adam was tried in innocence. Ever since he was cast out, mankind is tried as mortal and knowing both good and evil.

1. Age of the Gentiles - 2000 years - God dealt with all mankind
2. Age of the Jews - 2000 years - God dealt mainly with the Israelites
3. Age of the Church - 2000 years - God is dealing mainly with the Church, the Body of Y'shua/Christ, made up of both Gentile and Jewish believers
4. The 1000-year Day of the Lord, during which Y'shua will be King of kings and Lord of lords

Between the Age of the Church and the millennial Day of the Lord is sandwiched the 70th week of Dan. 9:27, also known as the Tribulation. During this time, all mankind left on Earth will be tried. It is "the ends of the world (aionos, ages) (I Cor. 10:11). First, the Gentiles were tried 2000 years. Then the Jews were tried 2000 years. Then the Church is being tried 2000 years. After this, when the 70th week of Daniel (which is the end of the Age of the Jews) runs, the ends of the other 2 ages will run at the same time.

However, the Pre-Trib Rapture will take place before the literal End of the Age/70th week of Daniel begins. Rev. 3:10 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee (the Bride of Y'shua/Christ) from the hour of temptation (peirasmos, trial), which shall come upon all the world, to try (peirasai) them that dwell upon the earth."

During the Age of the Gentiles, ENOCH WAS RAPTURED. Gen. 5:24 says, "Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him." No fire fell that day. This Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37). Enoch was floated up as Noah was floated up in the Ark, which is a type of Christ. Enoch is a type of the Pre-Trib Rapture.

During the Age of the Jews, ELIJAH WAS RAPTURED. II Kings 2:11 says, "behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." Elijah's Rapture is a type of the Pre-Wrath Rapture at the end of the 70th week of Daniel. It is as the days of Lot. Fire fell. Lu. 17:29,30 says, "the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed." The Sign of the Son of Man will be seen in the sky that day (Mt. 24:30, Rev. 6:14f).

One Rapture out of the Gentiles was followed by one Rapture out of the Jews. Those 2 are types of the 2 Raptures in our days. The Pre-Trib Rapture of the Church will be both, but will mainly be Gentiles. The Pre-Wrath Rapture will be both, but we know from Rev. 7 that there will be 144,000 Jews.

The 1st Rapture is mainly the Gentile Bride of Christ. The 2nd Rapture includes the Jewish Bride of Christ.

At the time of the 1st Rapture, there will be both wise and foolish virgins. The wise are caught up by the Bridegroom (Y'shua/Christ). The foolish are left behind, because they do not have enough oil of the Spirit of God/Spirit of Christ. They will be caught up in the 2nd Rapture. They must confess their sins since they accepted Christ so they will be wearing spiritual white robes too. They learn their lesson the hard way, but they do learn.

In the letter to the Hebrews (Jews), Heb. 12:14, it says, "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord." In Rom. 8:9, it says, "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God. "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself" (II Cor. 5:19).

Rev. 14:4,5 shows that the 144,000 Jews caught up in the 2nd Rapture are also called virgins (i.e., they are accounted pure). They are admitted into the wise Bride group caught up the 1st time. They too are "without fault before the throne of God" (Rev. 14:5). Shalom and agape

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