Pro and Con 940

Posted 8-22-02


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18 Aug 2002 IMPACT! A coronal mass ejection...struck Earth's magnetic field on August 18th at 1848 UT (2:48 p.m. EDT). Sky watchers should be alert for auroras until further notice.

HERE COMES THE SUN: Twisted magnetic fields near giant sunspot 69 erupted on Friday, Aug. 16th. The explosion sparked an M5-class solar flare and hurled a coronal mass ejection...toward Earth....

BIG SUNSPOT: Giant sunspot 69 continues to grow. It now spans an area equal to 41 Pacific Oceans and poses a threat for powerful X-class solar flares. The spot is constantly changing. Yesterday it looked remarkably like a heart.

Incoming email, Re: September 6, 2002

September 11, 2001 to September 6, 2002 = 360 Days.

Exactly one year this is awesome! I want to be ready for any date but this is just to much!

My reply

When you look at it from that standpoint, Sept. 6 fits better than Sept. 7. Agape

Incoming email

Just wondering how Sep 11 fits into all these. We have significant dates close to this - Sep 12, 13 & 6.

Wonder if the Al Qaeda - who know their own Scriptural books and I believe study ours intently, figured something significant about Sep 11. Definitely believe this was not a random date picked out of the blue but a sustematic and strategic time planned well in advance.

What are your comments?

My reply

As someone pointed out, there are 360 days from Sept. 11, 2001 to Sept. 6, 2002. That could be significant. Also, my dad's birthday is Sept. 11, hmmmm.

The towers falling seem to be a sign, looking forward to the day of God's Wrath. Isa 30:25 says, "there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, WHEN THE TOWERS FALL."

When the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 impact Earth, not only will the mountain-sized one hit the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5), but this whole planet will be turned upside down. Isa 24:1 says, "the LORD maketh THE EARTH empty, and maketh it waste, and TURNETH IT UPSIDE DOWN, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof." I can imagine the seas sloshing out of bounds on that day.

There seems to have been another sign. Two days after the towers fell, on Sept. 13, 2001, there was a terrible thunderstorm and drenching rain in New York. I think the towers of Babylon will fall on Sept. 13, 2007, and that there will be great tsunamis that day. It looks like we have been warned of things to come. Agape

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Marilyn, this has to do with the southern wall of the Temple Mount but according to this.... when the Waqf were constructing the largest mosque near Solomon"s stables in 1996 they changed the pathway of the rainwater and thus causing now the imminent collapse of that section of the wall.

Perhaps this may account in some measure for the wall weeping. The Bible speaks of a river in the last days coming from the Temple Mount and going to the east ....I believe. (Please correct me if I"m misinformed on this.). Interesting article. Agape, ysic

Southern Wall May Fall

Arutz Sheva - The southern wall of the Temple Mount will collapse within weeks or months. So says Archaeologist Dr. Eilat Mazar of Hebrew University, a member of the Committee to Prevent the Destruction of Temple Mount artifacts.

"Precisely on the other side of the wall [at its eastern end]," she told Arutz-7, "is where the major destruction works were carried out by the Waqf starting in 1996, when Netanyahu allowed them to build the largest mosque in the ancient site of Solomon's Stables, and the area was entirely changed. Tractors worked there, tremendous quantities of fill - composed of ancient artifacts - were taken out, and these walls were not built to carry tractors and truckloads. In addition, the path of the rainwater has been changed, and water is trickling down the walls and eating away at them. Whoever stands even 100 meters away from the southern wall can see the bulge; if a year ago it was a four-month bulge, now it looks like it's in its eighth month. It is shocking, because it looks like it can fall on those standing below... I have trouble believing that it will withstand the winter."

My reply

If water were trickling down the Western/Wailing Wall, how could it be confined to one stone or be kept from running through the spaces between stones? If there was a hole in the stone, I can't imagine how the stain pattern could look like it does. Some have thought it looked like a man blowing a trumpet. Even if the stain was resin from a broken root of the plant below, as someone said, for it to rise up instead of flowing down, it seems like it would have to reverse gravity. No other plant has formed a similar stain on the wall, either.

Word meanings wrong in Sitchin's "Twelfth Planet"

Sitchin's Mesopotamian Rocket Ships: How to Ignore Ancient Mesopotamian Dictionaries
by, Michael S. Heiser, author of The Façade,
Ph.D. candidate, Hebrew and Ancient Semitic Languages, University of Wisconsin-Madison,

The work of Zecharia Sitchin was brought to my attention just over a year ago, shortly after I completed my book, The Façade. As a trained scholar in ancient Semitic languages[i] with a lifelong interest in UFOs and paranormal phenomena, I was naturally enthused about Mr. Sitchin's studies, particularly since I had also heard he was a Sumerian scholar. I thought I had found a kindred spirit, perhaps even a guide to navigating the possible intersection of my academic disciplines with ufology, a discipline unfairly ridiculed by the academic mainstream. Unfortunately, I was wrong.

...I feel it my responsibility as someone who has earned credentials in the languages, cultures, and history of antiquity to point out the errors in Mr. Sitchin's work....

The reader must realize that the substance of my disagreement is not due to "translation philosophy," as though Mr. Sitchin and I merely disagree over possible translations of certain words. What is at stake is the integrity of the cuneiform tablets themselves, for the ancient Mesopotamians compiled their own dictionaries, and the words Mr. Sitchin tells us refer to rocket ships have no such meaning according to the ancient Mesopotamians themselves....

Top Level Al Qaeda May 1998 Meeting When Bin Laden Declared Jihad on US

Incoming email, Re: Pictures of Water Dripping from the Western Wall

God bless you, Marilyn: In Pro and Con 936 was another picture of the water appearing on the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem. There was also a comment from someone regarding the "two witnesses" who would "watch" for the arrival of the 'New Moon' and then blow the trumpets." Has anyone noticed in the water stain the figure of a man standing and blowing the shofar? Perhaps it is "wishful seeing", but nonetheless that's what I see.

Soon we shall see, if indeed, that is what we see.

Continuing to look up, knowing that our redemption is drawing nigh.

My reply

Yes. Someone noticed it right away. Agape

Incoming email, Re: towers in "Babylon"

I believe the towers are already built in "Babylon." They are called "minarets." (Islam is the present "Babylon.")

My reply

I think Babylon is the literal city in Iraq. Is it now "PERPETUAL DESOLATIONS"? Jer 25:12 says, "it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of BABYLON, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans (now Iraq), and will make it PERPETUAL DESOLATIONS." At that time, Babylon went into slow decline. That isn't her final "PERPETUAL DESOLATIONS."

Jer 50:2 is the verse I saw a rectangle of light on. It says, "DECLARE YE AMONG THE NATIONS, and publish, and set up a standard; PUBLISH, AND CONCEAL NOT: SAY, BABYLON IS TAKEN, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces."

Verses 8,9,13 say, "REMOVE OUT OF THE MIDST OF BABYLON (i.e., 'Come out of her, my people,' Rev. 18:4), and go forth out of the land of the Chaldeans...For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon an assembly of great nations from the north country: and they shall set themselves in array against her; from thence SHE SHALL BE TAKEN: their arrows shall be as of a mighty expert man; none shall return in vain. BECAUSE OF THE WRATH OF THE LORD IT SHALL NOT BE INHABITED, BUT IT SHALL BE WHOLLY DESOLATE: every one that goeth by Babylon shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues."

Babylon has not yet been "WHOLLY DESOLATE." That will happen when the asteroid of Rev. 8:10 strikes. Rev. 18:21 says, "a mighty angel took up a stone (i.e., the asteroid) like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and SHALL BE FOUND NO MORE AT ALL." Agape

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From: James Welch
Orig. subject: The Rapture Saturday September 7, 2002

> > Nehemiah received the word from Artaxerxes to rebuild the city of Jerusalem the following spring, in the Jewish month of Nisan, 446 BC.

The only decree that really matter's is the one that was inspired by God through Nehemiah.

This decree didn't fail because of Nehemiah in Nehemiah chapter 2 saying "so I prayed to the God of heaven".

In Nehemiah chapter 2 the King said "what is it you request" Nehemiah said "to return to Jerusalem to build it".

All the other decree's failed because they were from men.

This decree didn't fail because of Nehemiah in Nehemiah chapter 2 saying "so I prayed to the God of heaven".

My reply

Nehemiah rebuilt the wall.

For my part, I don't argue with God. I know that no one can overrule God's own words. Isa. 44:24-28 says, "THUS SAITH THE LORD (YHVH) THY REDEEMER, and he that formed thee from the womb, I AM THE LORD (YHVH) that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish; That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; THAT SAITH TO JERUSALEM, THOU SHALT BE INHABITED; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof; That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers: THAT SAITH OF CYRUS, HE IS MY SHEPHERD, AND SHALL PERFORM ALL MY PLEASURE: EVEN SAYING TO jERUSALEM, THOU SHALT BE BUILT; AND TO THE TEMPLE, THY FOUNDATION SHALL BE LAID." Agape

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Coins over the eyes on the Shroud of Turin


...About 1980, the late Rev. Francis Filas, S.J., of Loyola University in Chicago and Michael Marx, an expert in classical coins, examined the area over the right eye and detected patterns of what appeared to be the letters UCAI (from TIBERIOU CAISARUS) and a lituus design (an auger's staff). Father Filas concluded that this was a lituus lepton coin minted by Pontius Pilate between 29 and 32 CE. Over the left eye, Father Filas also identified what he believed to be a Juolia lepton with a distinctive sheaf of barley design. The Juolia lepton was only struck in 29 CE in honor of Tiberius Caesar's wife, Julia.... Using an independent method, the Polarized Image Overlay Technique, Dr. Alan Whanger, of Duke University, identified both coins. Dr. Alan found 74 points of congruence with an existing lituus lepton and 73 points with a Juolia lepton.

The UCAI problem

Though the lepta (plural of lepton) minted in Palestine were Roman produced coins, the inscription of Tiberius Caesar would have been written in Greek as TIBERIOU KAISAROS. Was the C, where a K was expected, a misspelling? This was a problem that seemed to preclude positive identification until an actual lituus lepton was found with the aberrant spelling. Several have since been found....

Incoming email

Marilyn and John, are either one of you able to do a search of your own site re a post by a person, several years ago. This person had a vision. I believe it had to do with a harvesting combine in a field and the person kept saying "kippur, kippur, etc." The person finally understood it was a reference to Yom Kippur.

Sure wish I could see that one again.

If you can help, please let me know. Or, if not, could you post this in case some reader might remember and let us all know where it is in one of your sites.

My reply

Someone gave me directions on how to search my site. It seems to me that you could search any site this way.
Go to
Click Advanced Search
Type in search word
Go to "Domain"
Type in:
Press Search

Incoming email, Re: FROM 30 A.D TO 70 A.D/ A GENERATION?

Marilyn, you said in your recent post:
"70 AD - 40 = 30 AD. We can't make it 31 AD without doing some finagling. AD 30, plus a 40-year generation, is 70 AD, when the temple was burned. The 40 years was set in Eze. 4:6. It says, "lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year." That is not figured using 360-day years. It is figured using the Jewish Calendar, which over a 19-year cycle agrees closely with our calendar." end of quote.

Remember Jesus said "this generation" would not pass. If the Passover was in 30 A.D. in the month of Nisan, then since the Temple was destroyed in the LATE SUMMER OF 70 A.D., THEN IT WOULD EXCEED 40 YEARS AND BE A VIOLATION OF JESUS' STATEMENT.

That is from Nisan (spring) of 30 A.D. to late summer of 70 A.D is LONGER THAT 40 YEARS! The 40 years would have ended several months before in Nisan of 70 A.D....

My reply

I can't take credit for finding out about the Google search engine. Someone wrote and told me it was the best. Later, someone told me how to search my own web page using it. I'm happy to share the information.

> > Remember Jesus said "this generation" would not pass. If the Passover was in 30 A.D. in the month of Nisan, then since the Temple was destroyed in the LATE SUMMER OF 70 A.D., THEN IT WOULD EXCEED 40 YEARS AND BE A VIOLATION OF JESUS' STATEMENT.

In Mt. 23:36-38, Jesus told the Pharisees, "Verily (amen, so be it) I say unto you, All these things shall come upon THIS GENERATION. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate."

Jesus is always right. I think he was crucified on Thurs. Nisan 13, 3790 (Apr. 6, 30 AD), on the Eve of Passover called the Preparation of the Passover. The temple was burned in the summer, on Av 9/10 in 70 AD.

Nisan 1 in AD 30 was the beginning of the Jewish Sacred Year 3790. That year would last until the following Nisan 1 (in the spring). Therefore Av 9/10 in 70 AD would be in 3830, and 3830 would last until the following Nisan 1. (3790 + 40 = 3830)

If we used the Jewish Civil Year, Nisan 13 would have still been in 3790. That year would have run from the previous Tishri 1 to the future Tishri 1. Av 9/10 would have still been in 3790. There would have been 50 more days in 3790. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Rapture
Shawn Thompson (20 Aug 2002)

Hi John. This is my humble reply to your response to Kathy Green's post of 17 Aug 2002. It's an article I copied from my website. I beleive it's possible that there may be a rapture but I beleive it would include all Christians and the purpose of a tribulation would be to convert all the human race. I don't believe God would leave any of His own people behind when we're all so unworthy of His gracious love. At the same time though I don't claim to have perfect sight and hearing as I still struggle to better reflect Christ in my life. I look forward to reading your, no doubt, inspired reply.
"I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." Phil 3:14

"Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing." (2 Tim 4:8)

We speak here about the doctrine of rewards. The Apostle Paul compares the work of salvation as running a race. Our motivation in running this race is our desire to be loved. The love of God is of course the reward we seek. This reward was freely given to every soul when Jesus died on the cross. It’s a love that passeth understanding and knows no bounds. God loves us all with an equal, unlimited love.

Many people believe we must strive to be more righteous than others in order to be deserving of the rapture. I have often heard the parable of the wise and foolish virgins used in this regard but what about the parable of the laborers paid a penny a day? The workers hired in the last hour were paid the same amount as those hired in the first hour. I don't consider this to be an issue among Christians spreading the Word. Even those who only do so by the example of living a Christian life. The definition of this is as wide as the love of Christ. Between Christians and non-Christians though it's a whole other issue!

To be great in the Kingdom of Heaven and the Body of Christ is to be the lowliest of servants. If we feel we are more righteous than other Christians then we should grab a rag and start washing their feet. I certainly make no claims in this regard though it is my goal to mature and be this strong one day, as was Paul's. "And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel." Matthew (2:6) Bethlehem was the least of the cities of Judah but out of it rose the Messiah. Israel was the least of nations but they were the nation God chose.

Compare these two scriptures: "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew (5:19) and "Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." Matthew (11:11) We see here the conditional, human system of reward and punishment does not apply to God. "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain." Matthew (5:38-41).

The Spirit of God is the exact opposite of our carnal, fleshy mentality. "Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof." Matthew (13:31:32). In this world we admire strength but God admires weakness. Worldly weakness is the beginning of spiritual strength. In the first book of Samuel there are several examples of this. In the beginning of this book God does not chose to speak to the main priest of the tribe of Israel but to a little child that He picks as His prophet. Later the people desired a King and God gave them the impressive looking man they wanted in Saul. God's choice however was a lowly shepard boy who was accounted as nothing even by his own father. This of course is all prophetic of Christ.

The modern state of Israel appears to have forgotten this characteristic of God in that they still do not accept Christ but God still displays it to them, even to this moment, by continuing to protect them because they are such a tiny country surrounded by enemies on all sides. As long as the Palestinians fight against Israel on their own God will not destroy them because Israel is stronger, but if they join forces with the surrounding countries then they will be annihilated! If the world turned against Israel right now the world would be destroyed for this very same reason. Ironically Israel, despite still being blind to Christ, is once again reforming into that same tiny, persecuted tribe that God originally chose as His own. They may have forgotten Him but He has not Forgotten!!!

We cannot approach God puffed up in our pride and vanity for then He will not hear us. We must come to Him broken and weak. This is why Jesus Christ is our King. "And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great." Luke (9:48) The greatest shall be the least and the least shall be the greatest. This tells us that God loves us All. Love is it’s own reward.

My reply

From: Marilyn Agee
Hi: Shawn

> > what about the parable of the laborers paid a penny a day? The workers hired in the last hour were paid the same amount as those hired in the first hour.

The people hired in the FIRST HOUR were given their salvation. The people hired in the LAST HOUR were also given their salvation. This doesn't mean that we can work for our salvation. It just illustrates that those that accept Christ in the last hour will still be given salvation.

> > there may be a rapture but I beleive it would include all Christians.

Look at Paul, the apostle's, struggle to win the race and not be a "castaway." 1Co 9:23-27 says, "this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker (in the Pre-Trib Rapture) thereof with you. Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a CASTAWAY."

If there was a possibility that the apostle Paul could be a castaway, there is a possibility that we could be a castaway.

Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (the unwise servant, i.e., the foolish virgins) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." The Laodiceans will be spued out of Christ's mouth (Rev. 3:16).

The unbelievers will go on into the Tribulation. The unwise servants will also go into the Tribulation. Their portion is cut short at the Pre-Wrath Rapture though. The unbelievers will be hit by God's Wrath after the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Tribulation saints takes place (Rev. 7:14).

What will happen to the foolish unwise servants right after the Pre-Trib Rapture? Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder (cut him off), and appoint him his portion (the Tribulation up to the 2nd Rapture) with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH."

Mt. 22 tells about the man at the wedding feast that didn't have on a wedding garment. What happened to him? Verses 13 and 14 say, "Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH. For many are called, but few are chosen."

You see, "few are chosen" at the 1st Rapture. They are the Bride of Christ, the wise virgins, the Philadelphians for whom Jesus has no words of condemnation. They have confessed their sins as per I John 1:9, so the Lord can cleanse them of all unrighteousness. Jesus told Peter that if he didn't wash his feet, he had no part with Him. The Tribulation saints learn their lesson late, but they do learn. They wash their robes in the blood of Christ to make them white, symbol of righteousness."

Rev. 17 is written as if the 1st Rapture has just taken place. Verse 14 says, "they that are with him (the Lamb, Christ) are called, and CHOSEN, and faithful." That is what I want to be, chosen, and faithful. The Bride is chosen by the Bridegroom.

If some are CHOSEN, and some are NOT CHOSEN at the 1st Rapture, the 2nd Rapture is a necessity. The servants hired at the end of the day must receive their penny (salvation) and be caught up to Heaven before the Wrath of God hits Earth.

> > "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." Phil 3:14

The PRIZE of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus is to be caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture when God that is in Christ Jesus says, "Come up hither" (Rev. 4:1).

That reminds me of II Cor. 5:19. It says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself."

> > Israel, despite still being blind to Christ, is once again reforming into that same tiny, persecuted tribe that God originally chose as His own. They may have forgotten Him but He has not Forgotten!!!

I think you know that God chose Abraham and his descendants through Isaac before Isaac was born. He chose Israel before he changed Jacob's name to Israel too.

> > God loves us All. Love is it’s own reward.

Some of God's attributes are omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, perfect justice, and perfect love. When we have confessed our sins committed since we accepted Christ, the Spirit of Christ fills us. This is on top of our sealing we received at the moment of Salvation. The love of God can flow through us to others.

Those that do not accept Christ will be dealt with in perfect justice. We are commanded to love one another, told that love covers a multitude of sins, but those things are addressed to believers. Those that do not accept Christ will not have the love of God in them. Neither will they be spared the perfect justice the broken Law requires. They will end up in Hell.

God is also perfectly fair. We will all get what we deserve. If one does not accept Christ, he will end up in hell. If one accepts Christ, he will not end up in hell, because Christ took the punishment due him. Agape

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