Pro and Con 942

Posted 8-28-02

Incoming email, Re: ** In Appreciation!!

Dear Friend in Christ,

I've been surfing the internet looking for Christian information and related study aids concerning Escatology and end time events and came across your wonderful site...I just wanted to compliment you on a great work in the creation of your site...Being a webmaster, I'm aware of the hard work and time involved in putting such a site together...The design, layout, links, colors, execellent use of graphics, navigation, etc. along with the wonderful content you share is very professional...Thank-You so much! I would be honored if you would accept our little "Gold Medallion" award for website "Excellence"....just wanted to show my appreciation. Again thank you and may God richly bless you and all your efforts in His service!! Rich, ecompany@tampabay.rr.com, www.testimonytees.com

My reply

Thanks much. I'm surprised that I did that well in designing the web site. I started off knowing nothing about designing one. Ed signed me up when I had never even heard of HTML. Not having money for expensive instruction books, I had to go out on the Internet and find an HTML guide, an HTML editor and an FTP client program. I didn't have to learn to use the computer. By that time, I had already written 3 books on the computer, each using a different word processor program, Word Handler, MSWORD and Claris Works.

It took me about a month to get the Home Page posted. I'm sure the Lord was helping me all along the way. Who would have thought that after about 40 years of intensive Bible study, I'd end up spending most of my time discussing Scripture by e-mail. I can see how the Lord prepared me for this all along the way. Agape

Interesting Tidbit

http://beyondcamp.da.ru ...How many folk know that when the Pope kisses a place or object is he claiming it for his Church? And when the Pope kissed the Koran in full view of the cameras and world's media, was he not only giving it his blessing but claiming it for Saint Peter's Throne....

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From: Robert Harris, MidntMinistries@aol.com
...mjagee...writes:
"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet BEFORE the coming of the great and dreadful DAY OF THE LORD."

In Christ's bridegroom Return He returns with two human witnesses--this alone is indicative of a Jewish Wedding--this is true Like Manner Return in the normal times of the days of Noah. Thus, when Elijah comes with the Lord, the Day of the Lord will have already begun (a new day--at midnight there was a cry made), but the conspicuous or obvious portion of His wrath within That Day will have yet to begin....

Now Lord's Day Tribulation will commence in all normality, or without the world's observation as the days of Noah. Still, it will have its snare as both Amos and Luke have related. That is, on its onset, again, the Lord's Day will appear "unawares," just as a normal day appears, or as in the prosperous days of Noah (Luke 21:34; 2 Pet. 3:10). Contrary to the idea that the Lord's Day can only begin after the display of universal cosmic signs deep into the Tribulation, the actual commencement of That Day, will, again, overtake the world. This we know perfectly, because the Lord's Day will come upon the world as a thief, just as it will surprisingly come upon many in the Church (1 Thess. 5:6; Rev. 3:3, 16:15).

Long after the Day arrives as a thief, cosmic signs will signal the manifested coming wrath of That Day deep into the Tribulation. For within the Lord's Day, immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light (Matt. 24:29). Joel wrote, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come" (Joel 2:31). In like fashion Luke penned, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" (Acts 2:20-21).

The "great and notable day" (Greek: conspicuous) is the great and obvious part of That Day, or that great part which is readily seen. Thus, these signs are right before God's manifested wrath of That Day deep into the Tribulation, but not before the beginning of the Day itself, which will have begun much earlier in That Night.

Paul wrote, "For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night" (1 Thess. 5:2). Paul is translucently clear. A thief comes stealthily without announcing his arrival. In other words, a thief is sneaky. Comparatively, we should know perfectly well that the Day of the Lord will appear just as a surreptitious thief does, without announcement, and not at a presupposed hour, such as pre-wrath. In fact, the Day of the Lord will commence and the world will not even be aware that it has begun, for it will overtake them as a snare.

More importantly, no person, despite their profession of the "trib-positions," knows exactly when the Day of the Lord will commence. Because that would be like knowing the exact time of the call for "peace and safety," or like knowing exactly when the Tribulation will begin.

But of the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, PEACE AND SAFETY; then sudden (Greek: unexpected) destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that THAT DAY should overtake you as a thief. You are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. (1 Thess. 5:1-6)

Note Paul's blatant correlation of the call for peace and safety and the beginning of the Lord's Day, all in connection with the times and the seasons. Thus, Paul's mention of the growing travail of a woman in labor, is his vivid description of how the seven-year Tribulation begins and ends. Actually, the call for peace and safety will clear the way for the Antichrist to conquer by peace (Dan. 8:25), which, again, will signal the beginning of That Day and its Tribulation Night long before it dawns. Now here lies an irreconcilable fact that pre-wrath, not to mention the other "trib positions," can't reconcile.

How do we further know that the Day begins in somewhat normal times long before the appearing of cosmic signs deep into the Tribulation? Because the Day of Jesus Christ cannot be ushered in unawares, that is, if the openings of the first five seals transpire beforehand (Rev. 6:1-17). For upon their turbulent onset, in which worldwide catastrophic effects will more than manifest, they would nullify all surprise. Affixed to this reality, the Throne Room setting (time-line), which is immediately before the onset of the seven seals (Rev. 5:1), opens with the following: "After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in Heaven, and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me. . . . and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." (Rev. 4:1-2). Here, the first voice that John heard is the same voice that he heard earlier in Revelation 1:10, which is where John commented that "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day..." So then, when John heard the second voice, which was like the first voice, it had to be within his Lord's Day "vision experience" (in the Spirit). Mandating, that, his Lord's Day experience had already begun before the opening of the first seal (Rev. 1:10).

If the above chronology of events is somehow in error, it remains that the Day of the Lord can only begin at the revealing of the Antichrist to the Church (2 Thess. 2:3), which, without coincidence, coincides with the much sooner opening of the first seal. That rider being the one who imitates Christ's Coming on a white horse (Rev. 6:2, 19:11), but conquers through peace without arrows.

Aside from the above point, the affluent days of Noah, in which Christ initially returns, occur considerably well before the poverty-stricken times of the Great Tribulation. Indeed, the days of Noah occur long before the demonstration of cosmic signs of that epoch (3/4 Tribulation). For that matter, the affluent days of Noah occur well before the later and exacting watches of That Night. Thus, not only is Christ's return possible in the earlier watches of That Night, we are warned that it is probable (Mark 13:35)....

Clearly end-time biblical prophecy is a "more sure word of prophecy." Peter wrote, "We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto you do well that you take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn and the day star arise in your hearts." (2 Pet. 1:19)

The "more sure word of prophecy" relates to the overall need of the Church to discern the Lord's returns. For the Church does well to take heed of the time when the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give her light (Matt. 24:29). To the time when the light that shines in a dark place, exemplifies the earliest light of dawn upon a darkened world: the appearing of the Bright and Morning Star (Rev. 22:16) at the dawning of That Day--the traditional and glorious Second Coming of Jesus Christ....

Undoubtedly, the Day of our Redemption is much nearer than pre-wrath, not to mention the Second Coming. In fact, it is much nearer than many in the Body of Christ have believed. It is the hour you think not:

And that, KNOWING THE TIME, that now it is high time (midnight) to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than we believed. The night is far spent, the Day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. (Rom. 13:11-12)

And, His Like Manner Return
It is commonly accepted that Christ will return to the Mount of Olives, and this will be His "like manner" coming. True, Christ will return to the Mount of Olives (Zech. 14:4), however, that will be the traditional Second Coming, not His earlier "like manner" coming.

A "like manner" return doesn't include the exact geography or location, but the method. In simpler terms, "like manner" doesn't mean in "like place," it means in like manner! Or, as the New American Standard puts it, it means the "same way," not the same place (Acts 1:11 NASB):

And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, you men of Galilee, why stand you gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in LIKE MANNER as you have seen him go into heaven. (Acts 1:9-11)

In Acts 1:10, the two men are two men, not two angels as widely theorized. Perhaps, then, these are really Moses and Elijah, since the New Testament doesn't designate anyone else in each recording of Christ's transfiguration (Matt. 17:3; Mark 9:4; Luke 9:30). In any case, these are two men, which is exceptionally significant in having knowledge of a Jewish Wedding: "BEHOLD, TWO MEN."...

In the book of Daniel the Lord also visits the river called Hiddekel. There, the evidence weightily identifies Christ in an early return--a return lacking full glory. Here is that return:

A thing was revealed unto Daniel (Dan. 10:1). . . . As I was by the side of the great river, which is Hiddekel; Then I lifted up my eyes, and looked, and behold a `CERTAIN MAN' clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz: his body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in color to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude. (Dan. 10:4-6)

The above is Daniel's great vision delineating a brief appearance of Christ, and the gathering of the Church before the Second Coming. To fully verify that this is Christ visiting the Hiddekel, it is most beneficial to compare Daniel's above passage to that of the following by John:

And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes as a flame of fire; and his feet like unto fine polished brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. (Rev. 1:13-15)

In Daniel, the "certain man's" attire is linen; in Revelation, Jesus wears a garment down to His foot. In Daniel, His loins are girt with fine gold; in Revelation, Jesus is girt about the paps with a golden girdle. In Daniel, the "certain man's" face has the appearance of lightning; in Revelation, Christ's countenance is as the strength of the sun shining.

In Daniel, the "certain man's" feet have the color of polished brass; in Revelation, the feet of Jesus are as fine polished brass. In Daniel, the "certain man's" eyes shine as lamps of fire; in Revelation, the eyes of Jesus are as a flame of fire. In Daniel, the "certain man's" body is as the beryl, a polished gem; allegorically, in the New Testament, the Body of Christ is likened to lively stones (1 Pet. 2:5). In Daniel, the "certain man's" voice rings out as the voice of a multitude; in Revelation, Jesus' voice is the sound of many waters. Now it was John who equated "waters" as people, multitudes, tongues and nations (Rev. 17:15). Thus, the sound of many waters can only be the voice of a multitude, or the voice of Christ and His Body!

Also, note the following by John: "And I heard as it were the voice of a GREAT MULTITUDE, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying Hallelujah: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth" (Rev. 19:6). Intriguingly, if not arrestingly, John's next verse tells us that the Lamb's Wife has made Herself ready (Rev. 19:7). In Scripture, people, "as the voice of many waters," are also equated to clouds. Here are two examples: "So great a cloud of witnesses . . ." (Heb. 12:1); "Spots in your feasts of charity . . . clouds they are without water . . ." (Jude V. 12). Ironically, Christ will be received by a cloud just as He was taken in His "like manner" return (Acts 1:9).

The following comparisons further establish a notable difference when looking at the method of Christ's departure, compared to that of His Second Coming. The nations of the Earth didn't wail when Christ ascended, nor did "every eye" see Him (Rev. 1:7). Upon His ascension there wasn't a shout, nor the trump of God (1 Thess. 4:16). Neither did the elements melt with fervent heat (2 Pet. 3:10); nor did every island flee away (Rev. 16:20). Besides these profound differences, is the fact that when Christ ascended the stars did give their light; there weren't fearful signs in the heavens (Joel 2:10; Luke 21:25-26). "Needless to say," then, the Earth didn't "reel to and fro" as it will in That Day (Isa. 24:20-21). Lastly in this overview, the Mount of Olives didn't split into two pieces upon His ascension, as it will upon His traditional Second Coming (Zech. 14:4)....

Daniel understood the intent of this great vision (Dan. 10:1), yet he mourned three full weeks (Dan. 10:2). The reason being, Daniel's vision didn't include the fate of Israel after the redemption of the Church--his heart's concern. Subsequently, this is the why another angel (Michael) came forth to give Daniel knowledge concerning his people: "Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall `thy people' in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days" (Dan. 10:14). It was this knowledge that enabled Daniel to explain what would befall Israel in the latter days (Dan. cs. 11-12).

Christ's first appearance in the book of Daniel is at the river Ulai (Dan. 8:16). The word "Ulai" in the Hebrew means purity. Fitting this interpretation, the firstfruits of the Bride are pure; there is no guile in their mouths (Rev. 14:4). Following in procession, the wise will be unblamable (2 Pet. 3:14).

Christ's second appearance in Daniel is by the river "Hiddekel" (Dan. 10). The meaning of this word is strength. In harmony, the foolish are to be strong "like unto men" in that somber hour (Luke 12:36).

Upon the redemption of the foolish the first unification of the Church will take place. Coincidentally, the word "certain" in Daniel 10:5, Hebraically renders: the one who unifies, or an ordinate first! No doubt, Daniel saw a great vision: Christ unifying the wise and foolish of the Church--"That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish" (Eph. 5:27). Another Portrayal of Christ's Appearance

Daniel 12 imparts still another portrayal of Christ's return, in which two witnesses also accompany Him. And, by so doing, attest to Israel that the Lord Jesus is the Redeemer of the Church:

Then I Daniel looked, and, BEHOLD, there stood the other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river. And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? (Dan. 12:5-6)

The man clothed in linen in Daniel 12 brings judgment to Israel. We know this partly, because, ". . . at that time thy people (not the Church) shall be delivered. . ." (Dan. 12:1). And fully because, it is Israel who must go through a great trial in order to know their God. Daniel wrote, "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand" (Dan. 12:10).

Unlike the wise of the Church who are instantly changed upon Christ's earliest appearance (1 John 3:2), and allegorically shine as the brightness of the heavens (Dan. 12:3), the wise of Israel will be tried in order to be made white and purified. During that fiery ordeal many Jews will turn to righteousness, and to the truth of Messiah's rightful identity (Dan. 12:3, 10-11).

Rarely is Christ acknowledged as the orchestrator of Israel's Judgment in Daniel 12. Yet it is no paradox that all of Israel will be tried upon the appearance of the man clothed in linen. Bolstering this view is the fact that never do angels try the just, but, diametrically, the saints judge the angels: "Know you not that we shall judge angels?" (1 Cor. 6:3). Aptly, the man dressed in linen who comes in judgment isn't an angel by any means, but again, Christ Jesus, the Judge of mankind (Isa. 42:1; John 5:22).

A "like manner" Bridegroom Return? When the Lord ascended it was with little attention. Conversely, the glory of the Second Advent will generate extraordinary phenomena throughout the world and the heavens (Psa. 50:3; Isa. 24:23; Matt. 24:29-30), such as never seen, or imagined.

. . . behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, you men of Galilee, why stand you gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in LIKE MANNER as you have seen him go into heaven. (Acts 1:9-11)

Of course, Marilyn, two men were always present in a Bridegroom's coming for his bride in a Jewish Wedding! And the above cogently demonstrates two men--not two angels.
God Bless! Robert Harris

My reply

> > Now Lord's Day Tribulation will commence in all normality, or without the world's observation as the days of Noah.
> > Comparatively, we should know perfectly well that the Day of the Lord will appear just as a surreptitious thief does, without announcement, and not at a presupposed hour, such as pre-wrath. In fact, the Day of the Lord will commence and the world will not even be aware that it has begun, for it will overtake them as a snare.
> > the Day begins in somewhat normal times long before the appearing of cosmic signs deep into the Tribulation

The beginning of the Day of the Lord will not be normal. It will get the attention of the whole world. The two asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 will impact Earth. The noise will be heard around the world. There will be a worldwide earthquake, and every wall will fall (Eze. 38:20; Rev. 16:18). That is the Day of God's Wrath (Eze. 38:18,19).

Mal. 4:5 says, "I will send you Elijah the prophet BEFORE the coming (arrival, 1st day) of the great and DREADFUL DAY OF THE LORD" (the Millennium).

The word translated "dreadful" is "yare," terrible, fearful. Let's look at some verses that mention the DAY OF THE LORD (YHVH) to see how dreadful, terrible and fearful the 1st day of the Millennium will be. If these things have not yet taken place, we are not already in the day of the Lord.

DAY OF THE LORD. 2Pe 3:10: "the day of the Lord will come (heko, arrive, i.e.,1st day) as a thief in the night; in the which THE HEAVENS SHALL PASS AWAY WITH A GREAT NOISE, AND THE ELEMENTS SHALL MELT WITH FERVENT HEAT, THE EARTH ALSO AND THE WORKS THAT ARE THEREIN SHALL BE BURNED UP."

These things have not yet come to pass. After the Pre-Wrath Rapture, they will take place on the Day of God's Wrath at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation.

Isa 13:6: "Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come (arrive) as a destruction from the Almighty."

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh (arrives), cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it."

The sinners have not yet been destroyed. Therefore the Day of the Lord has not yet begun.

Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light."

Zep 2:3-5 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid (caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Wrath Rapture) in the day of the LORD'S anger. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast."

The mountain-sized asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will impact the Mediterranean Sea. Gaza is much in the news today, but it will be wiped out as the Day of the Lord begins.

Isa 34:8 For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance (I think the day will be Tishri 1), and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion" (Jerusalem). I think the year will be 5768, our 2007/2008.

Jer 46:10 For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts (Christ, 'redeemer the LORD [YHVH] of hosts,' Isa. 44:6), a day of vengeance, that he (Christ) may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword ('sword of the LORD,' Jer. 12:12) shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD (Adonai Elohim) of hosts (Christ) hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates."

Jer 12:12-14: "the sword of the LORD shall devour from the one end of the land even to the other end of the land: no flesh shall have peace....they shall be ashamed of your revenues because of the fierce anger of the LORD. Thus saith the LORD against all mine evil neighbours, that touch the inheritance which I have caused my people Israel to inherit; Behold, I will pluck them out of their land, and pluck out the house of Judah from among them."

Joe 1:15 Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come."

Joe 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet (it's the Feast of Trumpets) in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh (1st day), for it is nigh at hand." It will come at 6 PM.

Joe 2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?"

Zec 14:1,2: "the day of the LORD cometh (arrives,1st day), and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather ALL NATIONS (UN army led by Gog, Eze. 38:18-20; Zech. 14:2) against Jerusalem to battle."

This has not yet taken place. Therefore, the Day of the Lord has not yet begun.

Lam 2:22 Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in the day of the LORD'S anger none escaped nor remained: those that I have swaddled and brought up hath mine enemy consumed."

Eze 13:5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle (Gog's army attacking Israel) in the day of the LORD" (1st day).

Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near (I think it starts at 6 PM on the Eve of Trumpets) in the valley of decision."

Zep 1:8 And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD'S sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel."

THE DAY OF CHRIST, DAY OF THE LORD JESUS, DAY OF THE SON OF MAN, AND THE LORD'S DAY DESCRIBE THE DAY OF THE RAPTURE.

1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus (the Pre-Trib Rapture on "the Lord's day" (Rev. 1:10).

2Co 1:14 As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are ours in the day of the Lord Jesus" (the Pre-Trib Rapture on "the Lord's day" (Rev. 1:10).

The Revelation of Jesus Christ is like a dramatic production. The setting is when the Rapture is "at hand." It is "at hand" in the first and last chapters (1:3; 22:10). Jesus signs off with, "Surely I come quickly." He comes quickly at the Rapture (2:5; 3:11).

John is narrator. Jesus speaks to the churches when the Rapture is near.

Just as our directors show a movie preview first, Jesus gave us a Preview of the Rapture in Rev. 1:9-18. In the Preview, John was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day," the day of the Pre-Trib Rapture. He heard Christ's "great voice, as of a trumpet" (1:10).

After being caught up to Heaven, John saw the churches (candlesticks) around Christ, "the Son of man," who is depicted as God (symbolized by the golden girdle since gold stands for deity). Christ still has the 7 star performers in his hand, because he has just snatched them up.

In Rev. 4:1, we find out what Christ said in his voice like a trumpet. He said, "Come up hither." If we didn't understand that, we are told later (Rev. 11:12) that when the two witnesses hear "Come up hither," they ascend to heaven. That is what the saints "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" (Rev. 5:9) did in Rev. 4:1. They ascended when John ascended. So did the other 23 elders (12 patriarchs and 11 apostles) seen crowned and sitting on their thrones in 4:4.

> > the Day of Jesus Christ cannot be ushered in unawares, that is, if the openings of the first five seals transpire beforehand (Rev. 6:1-17).

The Day of Jesus Christ is the day of the Pre-Trib Rapture. The seals are on the Title Deed of the Earth that is given to Christ in front of the raptured saints in Rev. 5. Not one seal is broken before the Rapture. The 1st seal is broken in Rev. 6.

> > (Rev. 4:1-2). Here, the first voice that John heard is the same voice that he heard earlier in Revelation 1:10, which is where John commented that "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day. . . ." So then, when John heard the second voice, which was like the first voice, it had to be within his Lord's Day "vision experience" (in the Spirit). Mandating, that, his Lord's Day experience had already begun before the opening of the first seal (Rev. 1:10).

John became in the Spirit on the Lord's day, the day of the Pre-Trib Rapture. The Greek of Rev. 1:10 means I came to be, I became. The LITV says, "I came to be in the Spirit on the Lord's day." Rotherham has, "I came to be, in Spirit, in the Lordís Day."Darby has, "I became in the Spirit on the Lord's day."

> > the Day of the Lord can only begin at the revealing of the Antichrist to the Church (2 Thess. 2:3), which, without coincidence, coincides with the much sooner opening of the first seal. That rider being the one who imitates Christ's Coming on a white horse (Rev. 6:2, 19:11), but conquers through peace without arrows.

He apostasia in 2 Thess 2:3 means DEPARTURE. The Day of the Lord can't come until after the Rapture, the departure of the salt-of-the-Earth, the wise-virgin Bride of Christ. Only then is the restraining power of the indwelling Spirit of Christ lifted so the False Prophet can be revealed in his time, the Tribulation.

2Th 2:6-8 (ISV) says, "You know what it is that is now holding him back, so that he (the False Prophet) will be revealed when his time comes. For the secret of this lawlessness is already at work, but only until the person now holding it back (the Spirit of Christ indwelling believers) gets out of the way (at the Rapture). Then (after the Rapture) the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will destroy with the breath of his mouth."

> > the Day of our Redemption is much nearer than pre-wrath

Yes. The Day of our Redemption is before the Tribulation if we are wise virgins. The Pre-Wrath Rapture is for the foolish virgins.

> > while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, you men of Galilee, why stand you gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in LIKE MANNER as you have seen him go into heaven. (Acts 1:9-11)
> > In Acts 1:10, the two men are two men, not two angels as widely theorized. Perhaps, then, these are really Moses and Elijah

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I think you are right. When Jesus comes for his Bride, he will leave Moses and Elijah here to prophesy 1260 days (Rev. 11:3).

> > another angel (Michael) came forth to give Daniel knowledge concerning his people: "Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall 'thy people' in the latter days

Another angel can't be Michael, because Michael came to help him (Dan. 10:13). Agape

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