Looking at pictures, my granddaughter said, "Your hair is gray!" She's right. It has turned gray (not white) while I have been busy answering e-mail.
I sent the following to you at 11:34 AM on Monday, 9/2/02. I used the Subject, "My dog's going to Heaven," because I wanted you to know right away what it was about. ;o)
Re: My dog's going to Heaven.
This was on 5 Doves. There seems to be good news concerning pets. Agape, Marilyn
Teen visits heaven, gets message!
From Jim Bramlett - 8-30-02
The many new readers on this mailing list may not have seen the story I distributed about a year ago, and it is so time-relevant that is it worth sharing it again for them, and as a reminder for the rest of us.
This is the amazing testimony of 19-year-old Ronnie Patterson, son of Reverend Ron Patterson. Reverend Patterson is a good friend of Dr. Richard Eby and has spoken many times at Eby's church.
Here are Reverend Patterson's own words about his son, Ronnie:
"Ronnie was walking his dog Sandy and singing praise to the Lord on a warm September 2000 day after school. Suddenly, he was in the spirit in the presence of the Lord. Ronnie saw a huge field of beautiful flowers in heaven, each one perfect and without flaw. Then he saw a big wall with a large gate made of solid white pearl columns. On each side, outside the gate, was huge warrior-like angel about twice the size of a normal man. Ronnie said it took very powerful beings to open the enormous gate.
"Next, Ronnie saw past the gate into the beautiful city on the other side. Every building was made of some material that was as clear as pure water. In the middle of the city, he saw two giant chairs or thrones in an indescribable throne room. Ronnie could not see clearly the figures on the seats as they were engulfed in a cloud-like spirit similar to a force field or a glowing mist of energy.
"Ronnie was absolutely certain by the power and the presence that these were the thrones of Almighty God, the Father, and Jesus Christ, the Son, surrounded by an unmistakable manifestation of the Holy Spirit. Ronnie was also amazed at a smooth, peaceful, beautiful music that seemed to be all over heaven but was most noticeable in the fields of flowers.
"After seeing all of this, Ronnie for the first time during this experience, heard a voice speaking directly to him saying, 'Son, look over here.' Ronnie then saw a long series of horse stables as far as he could see to the right and to the left made up of individual horse stalls. Each stall contained a magnificent white horse with angels standing with the horses as caretakers. (One angel per about 20 horses). The Lord told Ronnie that after He removes His people from the earth, Jesus will remain with them in heaven a short time and then lead them back to the earth riding these white horses. He said Jesus will put an end to all who oppose Him and will establish His kingdom in the earth.
"As the vision concluded, the voice of God continued to speak to Ronnie. The Lord told Ronnie not to listen to the devil any longer. He said that the devil had been condemning Ronnie with lies trying to make him believe that Ronnie was worthless, helpless, without value, and on his way to hell. God told Ronnie that Ronnie is His child, 'a child of God,' and that He was well pleased with him.
"Next the Lord told Ronnie to stop grieving over being 19 years old and not being able to drive a car as Ronnie had driven himself almost crazy with disappointment over this. The Lord said to Ronnie, 'I AM COMING SO SOON FOR YOU AND MY PEOPLE THAT THERE IS NOT TIME FOR YOU TO DRIVE ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY LEARNING' (emphasis supplied).
Ronnie had been upset by a friend who believes Jesus has no father. The Lord said that teaching was false. There is one God in three portions, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. He also told Ronnie that His fury was at a maximum over the way that His people Israel are being persecuted.
"The last thing He spoke to Ronnie was a request. He told Ronnie to comfort his dad and to tell him to continue the radio and television broadcasting. He said to keep preaching the soon call of Jesus for His people to come up to heaven. He also said that He was pleased with Brother Mike Yocum and all the help he was to the ministry. Ronnie told the Lord that there was only one other thing bothering him. He was heart-broken at the thought of going to heaven and leaving Sandy behind (Sandy is Ronnie's dog). The Lord told Ronnie not to worry because she is coming with us, that He loves animals.
"Ronnie wanted to distribute this to as many people as possible, especially his family so that he can warn them to give their lives completely to Jesus Christ and won't have to be left behind when the Lord calls His people home."
A few readers questioned the words Ronnie reported from the Lord, "I am coming so soon for you and my people that there is not enough time for you to drive enough to justify learning." At first glance, there appears to have been enough time.
When I sent the message, I was aware that Ronnie had a learning disability but since the father, Rev. Ron, did not include it in his description of the experience, I did not feel a liberty to include it. However, I later spoke on the telephone with Pastor Ron this morning and received his permission.
He said that Ronnie has a problem with concentration, and that he needs special attention. He said it is somewhat different from the well-known attention deficit disorder in that Ronnie is not hyper. He just has a concentration problem and is a slow learner. He said that by the time Ronnie had studied for and passed the written part to get his learner's permit, then driven long enough to get his regular permit would be many months. He said that the amount of time taken would be about a year. He said he and Ronnie have discussed this and Ronnie believes it definitely would not have been worth his time if the license would have come anytime before the end of 2002.
Pastor Ron says that Ronnie had never had an experience like that before or since. He said it was so real and dramatic that it totally changed his life. Before, he was depressed that he did not have his drivers license, especially because his younger brother already had his license. Now, Ronnie just doesn't care about his license because he is so caught up in the reality of the Lord's soon return. He has lost all desire to drive a car. The father says that he believes it another confirmation of the experience and the Lord's soon return is that the effect of it on Ronnie has increased over time, not decreased. I spoke with Ronnie, and about the Lord's return, and he excitedly exclaimed, "I can't wait to see Him!" He is intensely excited about the Lord's soon return and the personal confirmation he received. The father says Ronnie has not been the same since the experience.
Ronnie was overwhelmed about what the Lord said about his dog. When Ronnie was expressing his feelings to the Lord about his dog, the Lord said something to the effect, "You saw all those horses, didn't you? If I can have horses, I can have dogs. I love people and animals." (We know from Revelation that horses are in heaven. As far as I know, the Bible is silent about other animals, as it is silent about a lot of things, especially about heaven, about which we will surely be surprised. But the Bible does not rule out other animals.) It is interesting that Ronnie's experience happened while he was walking his dog.
AUGUST 2002 UPDATE: Rev. Patterson says that Ronnie's excitement about the rapture is increasing not decreasing. He said, "Dad, if you had experienced what I experienced, you would better understand." That is all he talks about. He even goes to ball games and doesn't watch the game but visits throughout the audience telling them that Jesus is coming soon and to be ready. NO DOUBT, THIS YOUNG MAN HAD A REAL EXPERIENCE THAT CHANGED HIS LIFE!
NOTE: The month/year that Ronnie had this experience was the same month/year the Palestinian Intifada began, which was some kind of a end-time marker. Even CNN headlines blared at that time, "The Battle for Jerusalem Has Begun," echoing the prophet Zechariah. Jim
the most urgent concern is that tens of thousands of people are going to visit the mosque for Ramadan later this year and their lives will be at risk," she told AFP....
according to the Israeli Antiquities Authority, the bulge has now sagged to a depth of 1.5 metres from 70 centimeters a year ago, and Mazar refuses to make it a political issue.
"Everything is political in Jerusalem. But does this mean nothing should be done?" she exclaimed. "Closing down the mosque is now a necessity. Who is going to take resoponsibility for the hundreds of people who will get killed if the wall collapses?"...
...Muslim officials in charge of the site insist that the wall, which holds the Dome of the Rock and al-Aqsa mosques, is stable. They accuse Israel of attempting to exploit the situation to increase its supervision over the area.
The director of the Waqf or Islamic Trust at the site, Adnan Husseini, says the compound remains safe....
9-2-02 - MK Michael Kleiner (Herut) on Monday petitioned the High Court of Justice, demanding the right to visit the Temple Mount on September 5, the second anniversary of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's visit there, on the basis of his parliamentary immunity.
Astronomy Picture of the Day, 8-27-02
Credit: Viking Project, USGS, NASA
Explanation: The largest canyon in the Solar System cuts a wide swath across the face of Mars. Named Valles Marineris, the grand valley extends over 3,000 kilometers long, spans as much as 600 kilometers across, and delves as much as 8 kilometers deep. By comparison, the Earth's Grand Canyon in Arizona, USA is 800 kilometers long, 30 kilometers across, and 1.8 kilometers deep. The origin of the Valles Marineris remains unknown, although a leading hypothesis holds that it started as a crack billions of years ago as the planet cooled.
Any chance one of the asteroids in the asteriod belt has a "Welcome To Eden" pop 2 greeting sign now or at one time? THANKS!
Mat 24:32-34 (KJV) says, Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:6,7); When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting; i.e., modern Israel, grafted into her old rootstock) is yet tender (apalos, young; i.e., no more than 19, as at the Exodus), and putteth forth leaves (sprouted Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, Sinai and West Bank in the Six-Day War of 1967), ye know that summer is nigh (the war started June 5; summer started June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the kingdom of God, Lu. 21:31; i.e., the Rapture) is near, even at the doors" (plural, symbol of the 2 Raptures, Pre-Trib and Pre-Wrath). Verily I say unto you, This generation (born in 1967) shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Thus the last generation began in 1967.
We can tell from Mat 23:36 that "this generation" means 40 years. Jesus told the Pharisees, "Verily (amen, so be it) I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate." The temple was burned in 70 AD, 40 years after the Pharisees rejected Christ as King of Israel in 30 AD.
1967 + 40 = 2007.
As for Eden, pop 2, on an asteroid, I doubt it. I think Satan's planet was Rahab, and that it split apart forming the Asteroid Belt. However, instead of multiplying, I think each angel was individually created by God. In Gen. 6:4, they are literally called sons of God, as was Adam.
Luke 3:38 says, "Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God." 1Co 15:45 calls Jesus the "last Adam." It says, "The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." Agape
02 September 2002 ...when Dr Gallo was forced to drop out of the meeting for knee surgery, his opportunist French colleague took the time alone with the Pontiff to try a miracle of a different kind. Dr Montagnier told Le Monde yesterday he used the meeting to prescribe an extract from fermented Asian papayas for the 82-year-old Pope, who has the symptoms of Parkinson's disease....
Along with several biologists, Dr Montagnier believes that oxidative stress created when cells convert oxygen into energy contributes to neurodegenerative diseases such as Parkinson's. The fermented papaya extract contains antioxidants and stimulates the immune system, he said.
Dr Montagnier also prescribed a similar substance that is produced by a New York company, not named by Le Monde. Few dispute there has been an improvement in the Pope's health on recent trips to Canada and Poland, particularly evident in his power of speech. Reports yesterday from the papal residence of Castel Gandolfo said the Pontiff was "speaking strongly and clearly and joking with the crowd at his retreat in the hills south of Rome."
But whether this is due to Dr Montagnier's alternative medicine, the hand of God, or the benefits of a good holiday, remains unclear.
1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Revelation 8:6 And the seven angels which had the SEVEN TRUMPETS prepared themselves to sound.
Note: 1 Corinthians 15:52 refers to the dead being raised at the LAST TRUMPET.
So, the dead are to be raised at the LAST trumpet.
If the dead are to be raised at the LAST trumpet, the SEVEN TRUMPETS have to be sounded FIRST. Thus, the LAST trumpet would have to be sounded AT THE END of the tribulation.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. In Christ, Blanche
Comparison of the 2 Raptures
1. No mention of anyone being changed
2. All are changed, even those gathered from Heaven
1. Dead raised in incorruption (I Cor. 15:42), decaylessness, with the promise of immortality, deathlessness, but without actual immortality
2. Dead raised decayless are changed, actually made immortal
1. The twinkling of an eye not mentioned
2. The twinkling of an eye mentioned
1. The Lord descends with a shout
2. No mention of the Lord descending, or of a shout
1. The voice of the archangel is heard
2. The voice of the archangel is not mentioned
We know that Michael will stand up when the False Prophet comes to his end (Dan. 11:45). "And at that time (Rapture 2) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble (one day, the Day of God's Wrath), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life" (Dan. 12:1,2).
1. The "trump of God" sounds (only mention in the Bible, I Thess. 4:16)
2. The "last trump" sounds (only mention in the Bible, I Cor. 15:52)
1. Death being swallowed up in victory is not mentioned
2. Death is swallowed up in victory
Believers to put on "an helmet, the hope of salvation (soteria, RESCUE). For GOD HATH NOT APPOINTED US TO WRATH (orge, vengeance), but to obtain salvation (soteria, RESCUE) by our Lord Jesus Christ" (I Thess. 5:8,9)
1. Raptured in Rev. 4:1, before the 7-sealed Title Deed of the Earth is given Christ and before the 1st seal is broken in Rev. 6
2. Raptured in Rev. 7 between the breaking of the 6th seal (Rev. 6:12) and 7th seal (Rev. 8)
1. Raptured before all 7 seals are broken and before God's Wrath
2. Raptured after 6 seals are broken, before the 7th seal is broken, and before God's Wrath
1. Raptured when the first "trump of God" sounds before the provisions of the 7-sealed Title Deed is put in effect
2. Raptured when the "last trump" of god sounds BEFORE God's Wrath is unleashed upon Earth
Rev 6:16 6th seal. "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: FOR THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"
The "last trump" of God sounds at the Pre-Wrath Rapture just before the 7th seal is broken, releasing the 7 trumpets that are SOUNDED BY ANGELS ON "THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH."
Rev. 14:14-16: "I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one (the Redeemer, YHVH of hosts, Angel of the LORD) sat like unto THE SON OF MAN (Jesus Christ), having on his head a golden crown (it's the day of His coronation), and in his hand a sharp sickle (it's the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ). And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him (Christ) that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap (2nd Rapture); for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped."
THE ORDER OF EVENTS
The "trump of God" - the Pre-Trib Rapture
Christ given the 7-sealed Title Deed of the Earth
The 1st seal broken...
The 6th seal broken
The "last trump" of God - the Pre-Wrath Rapture
The 7th seal broken
The 7 judgment trumpets sounded by ANGELS
SEVEN TRUMPET JUDGMENTS
They come out of the 7th seal and are SOUNDED BY ANGELS, NOT BY GOD.
Rev. 8:2, 7: "I saw the seven ANGELS which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets....The first ANGEL SOUNDED."
Rev. 9:1,2: 5th trumpet - 1st woe. An asteroid impacts Earth and forms the Lake of Fire.
Rev. 9:13: 6th trumpet - 2nd woe. A third of mankind is slain.
Rev. 11:15: 7th trumpet - 3rd woe. "the SEVENTH ANGEL SOUNDED...The kingdoms of this world are became the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."
Mt 24:27: "as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." This is the Day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky, and the Day of God's Wrath, not the Second Advent, which is 7 Jewish months later (Eze. 39:12,13), on Nisan 1, the 1st day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year (Eze. 29:17,21; Hos. 6:3).
Mat 24:28: "For wheresoever the carcase (ptoma, lifeless body, i.e., the Body of Christ that is no longer on Earth) is (in Heaven), there will the eagles (Tribulation saints) be gathered together." Isa 40:31 says, "But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall MOUNT UP WITH WINGS AS EAGLES; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."
Mat 24:29: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days (the shortened Great Tribulation, Mt. 24:21,22) shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 "And then shall appear THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
When the smoke is rolled aside like a scroll, they will see Christ sitting on the throne in the heavens.
Rev 6:12-17: "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"
Mat 24:31: "And he (Christ) shall send his angels with a GREAT SOUND OF A TRUMPET ('the last trump' of God), and they (the angels) shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other." These are the saints that were previously caught up to Heaven when the first "trump of God" sounded at the Pre-Trib Rapture.
Mark 13:27 is similar, but with one important difference. It says "And then (at 'the last trump' of God) shall he (Christ) send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN" (where the saints were taken at the Pre-Trib Rapture).
THE TWO DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN - THE TWO RAPTURES
Luke 17:22-32: Jesus "said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see ONE of the days (plural, one of the two days, first the Pre-Trib Rapture and second, the Pre-Wrath Rapture) of the Son of man (Christ), and ye shall not see it (i.e., they are cast here as foolish Laodicean virgins and got spued out of the Body of Christ, Rev. 3:16, at the Pre-Trib Rapture). And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in HIS DAY. But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And as it was in the days of Noe (representing the 1st Rapture), so shall it be also in the days (plural) of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot (representing the 2nd Rapture); they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed (when the Sign of the Son of Man is seen). In that day (Day of God's Wrath), he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back (they will be Raptured at the Pre-Wrath Rapture). Remember Lot's wife."
Marilyn what do you think of John Tng on Five Doves who states that the Lord showed him the Rapture is on Sept. 21 the Feast of Sukkot I ? Are the Trumpets blown during this feast? I thought the trumpets were blowne everyday a hundred times during the feast of Trumpets. The scriptures say at the last trumpet the dead will be raised and we who are alive and remain will be caught up to meet them in the air with the Lord. I have always understood our first Rapture to be during the feast of Trumpets. HELP!
The trumpet was to be sounded at every feast and as every month began. If I remember right, I think the Jews sound the trumpet 100 times on Tishri 1, but not on Tishri 2. Agape
This morning, I received the following message from a brother I do not know personally named Ron Englehart. I previously reported it but he sent it to me again today, so maybe I am supposed to pass it on to you.
"I am writing this email to share something that happened recently that I think may be prophetic. I was sound asleep and was awakened by words being spoken into my spirit, and I got a momentary vision of some blonde haired young man speaking to me then ...gone. Anyway, the words were,WAITING WILL BE OVER THIS SEPTEMBER I immediately got out of bed and wrote down on paper the words so I would remember them correctly. I was a little skeptical, thinking some demon might be impersonating a messenger from God. But a few days later I heard a message through tongues and interpretation, that said, "The time is coming, the time is this September,that those that wait upon the Lord will arise with wings of eagles, they shall run and not grow weary, they shall walk and not faint. So wait upon the Lord my children that you may run...." Anyway, that's it ,and I'm a little excited, because Rosh Hashanah happens next month.......Yours in Christ..Ron Englehardt."
Also, a friend asked me to resend the below that I first sent on about July 28, 2002.
From a mother named Cyndee: "My daughter, Kyla, who was 11 last year, at the time she was carried into the Spirit by the Lord. It was 3 in the morning and she was up and weeping and told me she had been with Jesus and he had told her some things. A lot was personal for the family but there was something Jesus told her that was amazing. She, to this day, still says Jesus told her, 'I am coming some September.' Now I received this! What it means I don't know for sure, but I will say this, SOMETHING very spectacular is fixing to happen and I am excited and Jesus is in IT!! God also told her that her family, meaning her siblings, and me, her Mother and her Dad, would not die until they all see the coming of the Lord."
God bless you, Jim
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