Pro and Con 947

Posted 9-10-02

Saturn in 3-D (Use red/blue glasses)

Astronomy Picture of the Day - 9-7-02
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

Saturn in Orion

http://www.space.com/spacewatch/sky_calendar.html
By mid-September, Saturn begins rising before midnight, making it the only planet visible to the unaided eye in the evening sky. It is in the northern part of Orion, in the region usually depicted as the Hunterís club....

My comment

Yellowish Saturn will still be seen in the morning sky too. Since it is crossing Orion, it has finally cleared Taurus and is nearing Gemini. Sometimes the planets will drop below the line we call the ecliptic and pass through a bit of Orion on the way from Taurus to Gemini. Actually, the ecliptic is a band through which the planets, Sun and Moon travel. The top section of Orion is narrow and near the ecliptic. Since Saturn is above the main framework of Orion, I found it easily at 5 AM. To me, Orion is the easiest constellation to find in the sky.

My thoughts about the Rapture

Saturday, 9-21-02, is the Sabbath, the Feast of Tabernacles, the Full Harvest Moon (at 9:59 AM). John Tng (5 Doves site) thinks that 21 is the number of the Bride. He also said, "Well, since the Bridegroom is going to come rapture His Bride, it stands to reason He will choose a date that is very closely linked to the Bride. At this moment, the 21st day of the 21st month of the 21st century (Sep 21, 2002) looks pretty promising to me."

Let's see. Between the Feast of Trumpets (Sept. 7) and the Day of Atonement (Sept. 16), are the Days of Awe. The Jews say they afflict their souls. We should all repent. What if the Rapture would come on the Day of Atonement? Lev 25:9 says, "Then shalt thou cause THE TRUMPET OF THE JUBILE TO SOUND on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. Why did the trumpet of the Jubilee sound on Tishri 10, when the Jubilee Year began on the following Nisan 1?

All the grain harvest is in before the Feast of Tabernacles Tishri 15. As soon as the Former Rain softens the ground, plowing and sowing of wheat and barley will begin in Israel.

By next month, Cheshvan, the fig trees in Israel will be laden with fruit. If the Rapture were to take place Tishri 10 or 15, many would see the Rapture take place, fear, and trust the Lord (Psa. 40:1-3). The 144,000 Israelites are fruit on the fig tree, Israel.

Cheshvan 17 (Friday, Oct. 23, 2002)is when Noah entered the Ark, the Lord closed the door, and it started to rain. Water is a symbol of the Spirit of Christ. Door is a symbol of the Rapture. The Pre-Trib Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37).

Hosea 6:3 says that the Lord will return as the rain, the former and the latter rain. Those represent the First and Second Advents on Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, but might also be a clue as to when the Lord will come at the Rapture.

Cheshvan 17, when the open door closed for Noah, is the greatest rain recorded in the Bible. It was also the first time rain fell after Adam was put on Earth. It was a day of salvation for Noah and his family.

Christ has put before the Philadelphians an "open door" (Rev. 3:8). Will it close on Cheshvan 17, as the Lord closed the door of the Ark? The "LORD SHUT HIM IN" (Gen. 7:16). Will the foolish virgins of Mt. 25, and the Laodiceans of Rev. 3:16f, also find the door closed on Cheshvan 17? While the foolish virgins went to buy more oil (symbol of the Holy Spirit), "the bridegroom (Christ) came; and they that were READY (the Bride of Christ) went in with him to the MARRIAGE; AND THE DOOR WAS SHUT" (Mt. 25:10). To the Laodiceans, Jesus says, "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock" (Rev. 3:20). The door is closed to them also.

Today seems to be when Christ stands at the door. Jam 5:9 says, "Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge (Christ) standeth before the DOOR."

Rev 3:8 says, "I (Christ) know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an OPEN DOOR, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name."

The first mention of "door" is in Gen 4:7: "If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? (like the wise Philadelphian virgins) and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door" (like the foolish Laodicean virgins).

The last mention of "door" is in Rev 4:1. It says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard (Christ) was as it were of a trumpet talking with me (the "trump of God," I Thess. 4:16); which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter" (after the Rapture). The door of the Ark seems to stand for the door of heaven. Since the Lord closed it on Cheshvan 17, the Rapture could be on Cheshvan 17 (Oct. 23, 2002)or before that.

The church's patience is tested before the door closes. The Tribulation saints are tested after the door closes. Rev. 4:1 says, "behold, a DOOR WAS OPENED IN HEAVEN: and the first voice which I heard (Christ, Rev. 1:10,11) was as it were of a trumpet (the "trump of God," I Thess. 4:16) talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter" (i.e., after the Pre-Trib Rapture, after the door is closed).

Mt. 25:10 says, "while they (foolish virgins) went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut." If that door shuts Cheshvan 17, the Bridegroom's coming for the Bride may be on the Day of Atonement or the Feast of Tabernacles. We must be ready, whenever it is.

Incoming email

...when September 6, 2002 goes by without incident you may want to reconsider my earlier email that indicated that 1 Tishri (Feast of Trumpets) is actually on October 6, 2002.

If the Rapture is on the Feast of Trumpets then it will be Sunday October 6, 2002. Keep this in mind when September 6 goes by uneventful.

However, I am not convinced that anything will happen this year at all. Don't get me wrong, I wish that Jesus was coming back today, but I am not sure either way. In the back of your mind you must be thinking that he won't be back until 2030 because that would fulfill the 2 day prophecy of Hosea 6 in solar years. I am using 360 years to arrive at 2001/2002....but if you use regular solar years you would have to look at 2030 to fulfill this prophecy.

Frankly, I am a bit nervous that 2030 may be the year that we need to be looking to. What do you think? Take care

My reply

If I'm still here, I will watch on the Day of Atonement, Tabernacles and Oct. 6.

> > In the back of your mind you must be thinking that he won't be back until 2030 because that would fulfill the 2 day prophecy of Hosea 6 in solar years.

No way. With the things taking place in Israel now, I don't see how anyone could think they would go on like this until 2030?

Let's look at Hosea 5:15. Jesus Christ is talking. He says, "I will go and return to my place (Heaven), till they (Israel) acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction (Day of God's Wrath, day of Jacob's trouble) they will seek me early."

As chapter 6 begins, Israel is talking. In verses 1-3 Israel says, "Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn (Babylon even burned Solomon's temple), and he will heal us; he hath smitten (past tense), and he will (in the future) bind us up. After two days (i.e., 2000 years) will he revive us: in the third day (i.e., after the 3rd 1000-year day has begun) he will raise us up (fulfilled in 1948), and we shall live in his sight. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth."

At the First Advent, he came on Tishri 1 as the former rain arrives in Israel. At the Second Advent, he will come on Nisan 1 as the latter rain. De. 11:14 says, "I will give you the rain of your land (Israel) in his (Christ's) due season, the first rain (starts Tishri 1) and the latter rain" (starts Nisan 1). Agape

Incoming email, Re: Heb 11, God chooses to list 5 people, why?

In Hebrews, God left us a word picture showing us a list of critical events that would happen during the ending ages. In Hebrews 11, God specifically chooses 5 people. Five symbolizes Grace and these five people and their actions symbolize the fullness of Gods grace toward man.

The first two names are rarely spoken of in the Bible. The first is Abel. Abel, being the second son of Adam and Eve, was shown to have brought forth a better sacrifice than the first brother. The first brother consequentially kills the second brother. This is typified by Israel, who is the first entity God calls a son on this earth, is given the rights of the first born. In Gods promise to Abraham, this nation is given the right to be the head of mankind- rulership. They were also given a double portion with which they would carry out Gods work- they were to be as the sand of the sea (earthly blessing) and as the stars in the sky (heavenly blessing). They were than to be the Priests of God- the go between for man to God. In all this, the people of the earth would be blessed. BUT, they thought no more of their birthright than Esau and repeatedly lived after the flesh. When the second Son appeared (Jesus Christ- God himself) in an attempt to bring them back to their calling and to now offer them the Kingdom of Heaven (heavenly blessings) they murdered him.

In spite of this sin, God used it to make a better way for man to reach Him than the law provided, it was a BETTER sacrifice. God also sets forth a principle in Hebrews which He has been carrying out since the beginning of His working with man, Heb. 10:9b "He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second;" The first name in Heb. 11 depicts the future death of Christ.

The next two names are Enoch and Noah. Enoch was removed into heaven before the Flood, while Noah, remaining here on the earth in a place of safety, passed through the complete judgment of the flood until it came time to rebuild and the doors were once again opened on the ark. The Flood coming upon the world in Genesis account typifies the Great Tribulation which is to come upon the world yet future (Luke 17:26-30) "Enoch" being removed before the Flood typlifies the Church being removed before the Great Tribulation; and "Noah" passing through the Flood in a place of safety typifies those in the nation of Israel passing through the Great Tribulation in a place of safety.

This is the order set forth in the Genesis account, the book wherein the roots of all Biblical doctrine lie (cf. Heb. 11:4-7); and the Word of God clearly states, "...as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it also be in the days of the Son of man" (Luke 17:26). During the days of Noah, preceding the Flood, one Man was removed from the earth alive and taken into the heavens. During the days of the Son of Man, preceding the Great Tribulation, one Man- the one new Man "in Christ"- will be removed from the earth alive and taken into the heavens. Then as Noah passed safely through the judgment of the Flood during his day, Israel will pass safely through the Great Tribulation judgment in during the coming day. We are also encouraged in the gospels to look at Lot.

We know that Abraham was a man of the spirit by his life lived on the mountain (mountain in scripture depicts were God communes with man) and Lot choose to live a life of the flesh on the plain (plain is linked with fleshly living) Luke 17:28 tells us "Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded"- it was business as usual. In Gen 19:15-22, scripture states that before judgment could come to Sodom, angels literally grabbed Lot, his wife and daughters by the arm to bring them from the city. In vs. 22 they stated that in regards to judgment, "Haste thee; escape thither; for I CANNOT DO ANYTHING till thou be come thither." This was a case of separation, than judgment. Even fleshly living Lot had to escape before judgment could be brought to pass.

Abraham is listed next in Heb. 11. The type is complete in the idea of new beginnings. As in the type where a new covenant and a new people came into existence, God will once again begin a working in Israel as they are born in one day at the end of the tribulation. This however cannot complete the promise left to Abraham. The full promise given to Abraham is stated after his offering of Isaac in Gen 22. In vs 16-19 it states ".....That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply they seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the seashore; and they seed shall possess the gate of his enemies....." Abraham was told of a dual rulership- his seed would be multiplied as the stars of heaven (heavenly blessings) and as the sand which is upon the sea shore (earthly blessings) and they shall posses the gate of both. Unfortunately when Christ came offering the Kingdom of Heaven (ie. Mt. 3:2, Mt 4:17)it was rejected by the Jewish leaders of that day. They had not learned from the scriptures that part of the enemy to be subdued inhabits the heavens and must have those qualified to replace them ready, prior to Christ recieving complete rule. In the book of Revelation we see Christ taking the rule of both domains with those who have made it through judgment and who had qualified to take those positions.

Dan. 10:11-13 gives us a glimpse of what takes place in the heavens and how Satan is still empowered, how-be-it under God, and how he tries in a futile way, to get in God's way. Eze. 28:12-19 shows the rise and defilement of Satan. He had had the privilege of being called a covering cherub, of meeting in the mountain (kingdom) of God in the midst of the stones of fire. Job shows us what Satan is presently doing. In Job 1, it tells us that as the sons of God (those who have been given rulership-power and authority - ruling angels) present themselves before God, Satan is in the midst. Satan is neither rebuked nor thrown out (how does God deal with someone who is in the wrong place, assuming the wrong role? Matt. 22:11-14, they are cast out) Satan still has the role to carry out even though in a fallen state, it involves him with the sons of God. The role of Satan and fallen angels are in positions of rulership in the heavens which directly correspond with government here on this earth. (Dan. 10:13- prince of the kingdom of Persian and the kings of Persia) It is these angels, still in the capacity to influence and manipulate their counterparts here on earth (just as Michael as an unfallen angel does for Israel) who must needs be replaced. Neither they nor Satan will be replaced until all those necessary to take over this new governmental role have proven themselves worthy.

God shows us a replacement principal with David. He was anointed as a youth to be King, but Saul remained in that position as a bad king until the appointed time when not only David, but those who have been faithful to him were appointed as a new government. A battle takes place, rulership is passed unto David and a new complete government takes over.

This replacement capacity was given to Abraham way back in Gen. When Christ came, he came offering this realm. If the words "The Kingdom of Heaven" were not enough proof, Christ stated in John 18:36 "my kingdom is not of this world; if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now is my kingdom not from here."

Jesus told the Jewish leaders of the day" Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in." MT 23:13. Luke says "Woe unto you lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge; ye entered not in yourselves, and them that are entering in ye hindered" Luke 11:52 Christ made a decree late in his ministry regarding the offering of this kingdom. "The kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits of it." MT 21:43. Christ came looking for fruit in the Nation of Israel. If they would just repent and turn back to the things of God, that which was being offered would be given.

Finally, that which was being offered- the Kingdom of Heaven- was forfeited. The kingdom of Heaven- that realm- was to be given to another. In this we have the mystery of the church and a new entity was called into existence through the shedding of Christ's blood. Now, Jew and Gentile alike can be covered by the blood of a worthy Jewish sacrifice, find themselves in the immediate position of an undefiled Jew- in the body of Christ. That which was being offered the nation of Israel, but rejected, is now being offered to a new man, the body of Christ. Gal. 3:14 states "that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ."

Eph. 1:3 says "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessing in HEAVENLY PLACES,"- our blessing are heavenly. Eph. goes on to talk about our predestination, adoption and our blessings. Eph. 2:12,13 shows "That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, are without God in the world.

But now in Christ Jesus ye who once were far off are made near by the blood of Christ.", "that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs" Eph. 3:6, and in the position to receive the promise. The receiving of the promise is contingent in the same manner it was contingent to the Isreal. This time it is offered individually within the body of Christ rather than nationally. Each of us as Christians can choose to live after and with the spirit bearing fruit or as Esau, shun the birthright and live after the flesh. The result is the same, forfeit the blessing of the promise or receive it.

God created man in the beginning to rule the earth. And following man's creation, with a view to this rule, God put the man to sleep, opened his side, and took a rib form his side; and from this rib God made "an helpmeet" for the man, whom He called "Woman," because "she was taken out of Man." The woman was bone of man's bones, and flesh of man's flesh; and when she was presented back to the man, he was then complete (GEn. 1:26-28; 2:21-24).

The man and the woman were to rule together (Gen. 1:26)- the man as king and the woman as consort queen. This forms an unchangeable principle which God established at this time. The man could not rule alone. Rather, he must rule as a complete being.

Christ, the Second Man, the Last Adam, will one day take the scepter and rule the earth. And God's established principle concerning man's rule cannot be violated. Christ, at the time He rules the earth, must have a wife to rule with Him.

The Son though does not presently possess a wife. But that is about to change. And entire dispensation, lasting 2,000 years, has been set aside; and God has sent the Holy Spirit into the world to acquire a bride for His Son (seen typically in Gen 24).

And once the Spirit's mission has been completed, the bride will be removed form the earth and presented to the Son (also seen typically in Gen. 24). Only then can the Second Man, the Last Adam, take the scepter and rule the earth, in complete accord with God's original intention for man, revealed at the time of his creation.

The Father already has a wife- Israel-acquired during the past dispensation, which allowed a theocracy to exist during the Old Testament times. And for the Son to rule within the future theocracy, He, as well, must possess a wife- one removed from His body, who will be bone of His bones, and flesh of His flesh, one who will rule as consort queen with the King of kings, and Lord of lords (cf. Rev. 19:7-9,16).

During the Church age this will be accomplished and those qualifying for the heavenly sphere of the promise will be revealed at the judgment seat of Christ and by those allowed into the marriage supper of the Lamb.

The last name in the list in Hebrew's is Sarah. That which was found to be dead in the ability to bear a child(fruit), will with devine intervention be once again made alive and in a position to partake of the promises left them through Abraham. Although the heavenly realm has been forfeited, the earthy realm is still in view and Israel will go forth and receive that promise during Christ's dual reign in the heavens and on the earth.

Apart from seeing these types and the fulness of God's blessings toward those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, there seems not to be much purpose in living the life God has portrayed for us as the life of a Christian. Instead, God has offered us an incentive for the spirit filled and directed life. We have an inheritance yet to be distributed by Christ at the judgment seat. All the promises left the overcomers in Rev. 2,3 depict things given to aid in rulership with Christ. First is eating of the tree of life. In Proverbs one can see that the tree of life is for wisdom (Prov. 3:13,18), to designate those who are righteous (Prov. 11:20), it is linked with "hope" (Prov. 1312) and a wholesome tongue (Prov.15:4). And so it goes with the other rewards.

How can anyone who knows what is at stake, refuse the gift and live a life after the flesh as Esau did? Those that do will suffer as Esau suffered when he finally realized the value of that which he had counted on as of no importance: "Lest there be any fornicators or profane person, like Esau, who for one morel of food sold his birthright, For ye know how afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected; for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears." Heb. 12:16,17

So have you waded through this? I certainly did not start out to write you a book, but all the years of study have come together in my letter to you. I am however concerned with what will be left behind for those who will be in the next stage of Gods workings here on earth. In Enoch, we see the one man from which the bride must come. To anticipate that there is still a second harvesting of those who are open to the heavenly realm of blessings just does not fit in with all other scripture. It is true that after the one man in Christ is taken and the heavenly realm closed, those who except Christ can have a part in the earthly kingdom which will then be in view, but not the heavenly. There are other types in the Old Testament that hold this as true. I appreciated the work you have done to keep all Christians on the alert, but the procrastinator must needs know, that no second chance is available and much is at stake in this race called life. Thank you for your time....In Christ

My reply

> > Heb 11, God chooses to list 5 people, why?

More than 5 are listed.
Verse 4: "By faith Abel"
Verse 5: "By faith Enoch"
Verse 7: "By faith Noah"
Verses 8,17: "By faith Abraham"
Verse 11: "Through faith also Sara"
Verse 20: "By faith Isaac"
Verse 22: "By faith Joseph"
Verse 23: "By faith Moses"
Verse 31: "By faith the harlot Rahab"
Verse 32: "And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gideon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets"

Verses 39 and 40 are important for us to understand. They say, "And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect" (teleioo, made complete, perfect, finished). These saints will be "raised in incorruption" (I Cor. 15:42) at the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

I Cor. 15:51-53 says, "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We (believers, including Paul) shall not all sleep (be dead in Christ), but WE (believers) SHALL ALL (including Paul) BE CHANGED, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP (i.e., at the 2nd Rapture): for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

Those dead in Christ that are to be resurrected at the Pre-Trib Rapture (first trump of God) will be raised incorruptible. However, they must wait until the whole Body of Christ is complete at the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Then the whole Body (those resurrected and those that have not died) will be CHANGED. They will put on incorruption if they haven't already. Then the whole Body will be made immortal (except the head; Christ is already immortal).

We have immortality now because we can trust Christ's word. But it seems to me that the whole Body of Christ, except the Head, will actually be made immortal at the same time, at the last trump.

> > ...Sarah...Abraham. Although the heavenly realm has been forfeited, the earthy realm is still in view and Israel will go forth and receive that promise during Christ's dual reign in the heavens and on the earth.

They didn't forfeit the heavenly realm. Heb. 11:13-16 shows that Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham and Sarah choose the "better country," the heavenly New Jerusalem. This passage says, "These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out (Israel on Earth), they might have had opportunity to have returned (to Israel on Earth). BUT NOW THEY DESIRE A BETTER COUNTRY, THAT IS, AN HEAVENLY: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city" (New Jerusalem).

> > Enoch" being removed before the Flood typlifies the Church being removed before the Great Tribulation; and "Noah" passing through the Flood in a place of safety typifies those in the nation of Israel passing through the Great Tribulation in a place of safety.

I think Enoch's being caught up represented the Pre-Trib Rapture and Elijah's being caught up represented the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Tribulation saints. Water is a symbol of the Spirit of Christ (Rom. 8:9). He gives us living water. Rain came down as Christ will come down. The Ark represented Christ too. Noah was in the Ark, i.e., in Christ. Noah was floated up by the water, i.e., by the Spirit of Christ.

The 2 Raptures are likened to the days of Noah (the Pre-Trib Rapture) and to the days of Lot (the Pre-Wrath Rapture). In the days of Noah, water fell the SAME DAY they went into the Ark and the Lord shut the door (Gen. 7:12f, Mt. 25:10). Water is a symbol of the Spirit of Christ (Rom. 8:9). In the days of Lot, fire fell that SAME DAY (Lu. 17:29), as it will at the Pre-Wrath Rapture, when the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 impact Earth.

Israel won't be untouched by the Tribulation. There will be martyrs (Rev. 6:9-11). On the day of the 2nd Rapture, when the millennial "day of the LORD cometh" the LORD "will gather ALL NATIONS against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled" etc (Zech. 14:2).

> > Abraham was told of a dual rulership- his seed would be multiplied as the stars of heaven (heavenly blessings) and as the sand which is upon the sea shore (earthly blessings) and they shall posses the gate of both.

Thanks. I hadn't recognized that the stars represented heavenly blessings, or that the sand represented earthly blessings. I think you are right. There are Israelites that "shall posses the gate of both" (Heb. 11:15,16).

> > To anticipate that there is still a second harvesting of those who are open to the heavenly realm of blessings just does not fit in with all other scripture.

In Rev. 4:2, we see God's throne "set IN HEAVEN, and one sat on the THRONE." In v. 4, we see the 24 elders (all Israelites), of which John was one (II John 1:1; III John 1:1), crowned and sitting on THRONES "round about the THRONE" of God in Heaven. In 5:8,9,11, we see saints "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation...And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about THE THRONE and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands." God's throne is IN HEAVEN. These saints have been caught up to God's Throne in Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture.

In Rev. 7:14,15, we see another group of saints. They have come "out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. They are the 144,000 Israelites and "a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before THE THRONE."

GOD'S THRONE IS IN HEAVEN. Therefore are they before THE THRONE OF GOD" IN HEAVEN.

The first group to be caught up to Heaven "sung a NEW SONG" (Rev. 5:9). The 144,000 that are caught up before the Wrath of God is poured out "sung as it were a NEW SONG BEFORE THE THRONE (in Heaven), and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which WERE REDEEMED FROM (apo, off, away from something near, out of, separation, departure) THE EARTH...they are without fault before THE THRONE OF GOD" in Heaven (Rev. 14:3,5). They are in Heaven because they departed from Earth in the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

The 2nd Rapture is a departure FROM (apo, off, away from something near, out of, separation, departure) "from the earth." Therefore, the 1st Rapture is a departure (apostasia) from the earth (II Thess. 2:3). Apostasia in II Thess. 2:3 is from aphistemi (to remove actively, to draw away, withdraw self, or depart), which is from apo (off, away from something near, out of, separation, departure) and histemi, a prolonged form of a primary stao (of the same meaning); to stand up, bring up, set up. The apostasia is the departure at the 1st Rapture.

Psa. 40:1-3 shows us that many will see the 1st Rapture take place and will trust in the Lord. It says, "I waited patiently (as the Philadelphians, Rev. 3:10) for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit (as Jeremiah was brought up out of the miry pit), out of the miry clay (our bodies of clay) and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven), and established MY GOINGS (the Pre-Trib Rapture). And he hath put a NEW SONG in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it (the Rapture), and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."

The two silver trumpets

Nu. 10:1-4 says, "the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them (both) for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them (both), ALL the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes (elders), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee" (Rev. 4:1f). Agape

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