Pro and Con 949

Posted 9-17-02

Incoming email

Re: Bravenet Web Services

Hi Marilyn, Thought this would be of interest to you in view of your last Pro & Con # 948. I cannot vouch for the accuracy of this post. especially since there is no picture of the water stain. If true, I hope it is a confirmation of the Rapture on the Feast of Tabernacles. Hope to see you and Ed in 5 days!! Agape, ysic
Name: Dennis
Re: Water spot on Western Wall

Hello everyone, I'm writing this about 8:30 PM Pacific time, ever since I became aware of the water spot appearing on the Western Wall sometime back in June I've looked at it almost every day on the wall cam at, up until now it has always looked about the same, however, I just looked at it again tonight and now it has widened considerably toward the middle and top so that now it resembles a tree in profile, whereas before the width of it was always about the same from bottom to top, of course I am hoping this is yet further confirmation of a 21 September Rapture.

My reply

Thanks. The stain is still there--in the center of the picture below. I got this from aish on 9-15-02, at 9:40 PM, Jerusalem time. It is their big picture. I cropped it so it wouldn't take up unnecessary space and turned up the contrast a bit so I could see the shape of the stain better. Agape

From 5 Doves site, Re: 9-11 Two Jewish temples destroyed! From: CAPS (16 Sep 2002)

Donna, thanks for sending this. God Bless you.

Travis, I believe it was you who had said that last 9-11-01 was the warning. Was it a warning that yet another Temple is about to be REMOVED?

--- Original Message ---
From: Donna Skinner
To: David Parker
Subject: 9-11 Two Jewish temples destroyed!

According To Jimmy DeYoung, a prophecy teacher that lives in Jerusalem said in his publication, "Until"

He says, "Tish Be'av was the original 9-11. King Solomons' temple was destroyed, and 70 AD The Babylonians destroyed the second temple.

Jimmy says, "It is so interesting that both Temples, the first and the second, were destroyed on the same day of the calendar, centuries apart. That infamous date on the calendar was Tish Be'av, the ninth day of the eleventh Jewish month of AV, thus 9-ll"...

Incoming email, Where are the other 'Earths' beyond the solar system?


...In recent years nearly 100 planets have been discovered in orbits around other stars, but none of these 'exoplanets' remotely resembles the Earth....

Incoming email, FWD: Re: 911s on 9-11

perhaps this is another way of God warning us that danger is imminent.
From: Jim Bramlett, 9-12-02
Many people believe the WTC attack on 9-11 was a major prophetic event. In case you have not seen this yet, these two twists concerning the one-year anniversary yesterday are interesting:

1. From Yahoo! News - CHICAGO - In an ironic twist, the September Standard & Poor's 500 futures contract closed Tuesday at 911.00 a day before the one-year anniversary of the terrorist attacks.

2. (From CNN.) ALBANY, New York (AP) -- On the first anniversary of the terrorist attacks, a date known as 9-11, the evening numbers drawn in the New York Lottery were 9-1-1. "The numbers were picked in the standard random fashion using all the same protocols," said lottery spokeswoman Carolyn Hapeman. "It's just the way the numbers came up."

Coincidence? I am reminded that Bible teacher Chuck Missler says, "To the rabbis, coincidence is not a kosher word."

What does it mean? If not coincidence, perhaps just an underscoring of the prophetic importance of 9-11-01.

My reply

God is in complete control at all times. This is the way I think. The number 911 being chosen as an emergency phone number was not accidental. 9-11-01 being the date when the towers fell was no accident. 911 coming up on the eve (when Jewish days begin), and again on 9-11-02, reminds us again to pay attention to Isa 30.

Isa 30:13,14,25 says, "Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant. And he shall break it as the breaking of the potters' vessel that is broken in pieces; he shall not spare: so that there shall not be found in the bursting of it (the asteroid of Rev. 8:10) a sherd to take fire from the hearth, or to take water withal out of the pit....there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters (because the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 impacts the Mediterranean Sea, Zeph. 2:4,5) in the day of THE GREAT SLAUGHTER, WHEN THE TOWERS FALL."

Every wall will fall in the worldwide earthquake (Eze. 38:20, so all towers will fall, everywhere. However special towers, the headquarters of the UN and UR will be in Babylon, Iraq. Rev. 18:21 says, "a mighty angel took up a stone (representing an asteroid) like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Incoming email, Re: Pre-trib rapture scriptures

I'm honored to talk with you, and I hope you can help, because even though I know what I believe, I have misplaced my printed info. I'll simply copy the post I'd mailed to John, who preferred not to post it because it tends to stir things up, and has been debated before. Basically my brother, who is saved, but post-trib, cannot see any other view. He is very intellectual, and had looked at all sides, but can only see the post-trib view as correct. Here is the post:

I recently made the following comments, in red, to a post-tribber, and got his response, in blue. (I will mark your words ***.

***My arms grow weary and sometimes I just want to give up.That is why I say "Maranatha!" What kind of comfort is it to tell us we haven't even begun to see troubles?

That's not the comfort, (he's speaking of the pre-trib rapture) not any more than Revelation was to the Church in 95 AD or to many Christians today who are being persecuted all over the world. Still, the comfort is that Jesus is coming, that He is still in control, and as Corrie ten Boom discovered, is still there in the midst of trouble and tribulation; even Tribulation. "Indeed all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will suffer tribulation." Trouble, difficulty, attacks by Satan are supposed to be the NORMAL for Christians trying to live "a godly life in Christ Jesus; of course, the prosperity gospel would have you believe otherwise.

***The tribulation is the time of JACOB'S troubles.Jacob is ISRAEL, not the church!

But when you move into the New Testament, Jesus broke down the dividing wall between Jews and the Church (Eph. CH 2, among others). Thus Jacob is Isreal; thus is the Church is Isreal, thus are both Jacob and the Church united as Isreal because Isreal becomes one as Paul said, (Eph 2:15-17) "by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and ordinances, that He might create in Himself one new man in the place of two, so making peace, and might reconcile both to God in ONE BODY through cross..."

***I am tired of arguing, even though I know what I believe, it is difficult to back it up, because he has also said,

The Bible is much more clear on the subject than most pre-Tribs think (when backed into a corner, most Pre's say "that is hard to determine" or "that is open to debate" or similar things). The Scriptures most Pre's use to support their positions are incorrectly used, applied or interpreted.

This I decided back 25 years ago or so when I was truly open to both sides. I tried to follow the Scripture and reasoning most of the "noted" authors gave. Many in their footnotes reference other pre-trib writers. My father-in-law had ALL of the "classical" pre-trib works and I could read each one carefully. They never proved their points Scripturally; the most recent pre-tribs are still basically using the same arguments, thus my quote of "nothing new under the sun."

The Bible has not changed.... You don't really want my feedback on your article == that would involve tediously pointing out all the errors contained therein. I have noticed most folks really don't like that; what they want is for you to change your mind. I always tell folks, "Don't let me change your mind, because someone else can come in and change it again. Make sure you understand what the Bible says on it and stick to that."

***Will someone give me Scriptures that will definitely show a pre-trib rapture?

My reply

> > That's not the comfort, (he's speaking of the pre-trib rapture)

What IS the comfort? In I Thess. 4:16-18 (KJV), Paul tells the "BRETHREN" (BELIEVERS), "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP OF GOD (THE 1ST TRUMP): and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then WE (BELIEVERS) which are alive and remain shall be caught up (harpazo, taken away by force, i.e., raptured) together with them (the resurrected dead in Christ) in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall WE (BELIEVERS) ever be with the Lord. Wherefore COMFORT one another with these words."

The word "COMFORT " above bookends an important section. The ending bookend, 1Th 5:11, says, "Wherefore COMFORT YOURSELVES together, and edify one another, even as also YE (BELIEVERS) do." Paul started talking to believers and ended talking to believers.

Below is the whole bookended section, I Thess. 4:18-5:11. It contrasts believers and unbelievers, day (before the Tribulation) and night (the Tribulation). These believers that are going to be caught up in the Rapture of 4:13-18 are NOT OF THE NIGHT, the Tribulation. Therefore, they are to be raptured before the Tribulation comes.

Paul said to these believers that were to be Raptured, "Wherefore COMFORT one another with these words. But of the times and the seasons, BRETHREN, YE (BELIEVERS THAT ARE TO BE RAPTURED) have no need that I write unto YOU (BELIEVERS). For YOURSELVES know perfectly that the day of the Lord (the Millennium) so cometh (1st day) as a thief in the night. For when THEY (UNBELIEVERS) shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction (of the Day of God's Wrath) cometh upon THEM (UNBELIEVERS), as travail upon a woman with child; and THEY (UNBELIEVERS) SHALL NOT ESCAPE (ekpheugo, flee out, i.e., not be raptured). But YE, BRETHREN (BELIEVERS), are not in darkness, that that day (Day of God's Wrath, first day of the Millennium) should overtake YOU (BELIEVERS) as a thief. YE (BELIEVERS) are all the children of light, and the children of the day: WE (BELIEVERS) ARE NOT OF THE NIGHT (Tribulation), nor of darkness. Therefore let US (BELIEVERS) not sleep, as do others (UNBELIEVERS); but let US (BELIEVERS) watch and be sober. For THEY (UNBELIEVERS) that sleep sleep in the night (the Tribulation); and THEY (UNBELIEVERS) that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let US (BELIEVERS), who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the HOPE OF SALVATION (soteria, RESCUE, i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture). For God hath not appointed US (BELIEVERS) to wrath, but to obtain salvation (soteria, RESCUE, i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture) by OUR Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for US (BELIEVERS), that, whether WE (BELIEVERS) wake or sleep, WE (BELIEVERS) should live together with HIM (CHRIST). Wherefore COMFORT yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also YE do."

Paul is still talking to the believers that are to be raptured before the Tribulation in II Thess. 2. In the last verse, he says, "COMFORT your hearts." This "blessed hope" (Titus 2:13) of being caught up before the Tribulation is very comforting.

In II Thess. 2:1-13 (KJV), Paul said, "Now we (1st century believers) beseech you, brethren (believers), by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by OUR (BELIEVERS') gathering together unto him (AT THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE), That YE (BELIEVERS) be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (almost all major MSS have day of the Lord) is at hand. Let no man deceive YOU (BELIEVERS) by any means: for that day (Day of the Lord, the Millennium) shall not come (first day, Day of God's Wrath), except there come a falling away (APOSTASIA, DEPARTURE, similar to apospao, draw away, and apostacion, divorcement, i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture) first, and that man of sin (the Satan-possessed False Prophet) be revealed (after the Rapture), the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God (Mid-Trib).

Continuing, "Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth (the Holy Spirit in the salt of the Earth, believers) that he (the False Prophet) might be revealed in his time (the Tribulation). For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he (the Holy Spirit) who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way (when he takes believers to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture). And then (after the Pre-Trib Rapture) shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie (probably that the False Prophet is the Messiah): That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

"But we (1st century believers) are bound to give thanks alway to God for you (Pre-Trib believers), brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning CHOSEN you (Pre-Trib believers) to salvation (soteris, RESCUE, i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture) through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth."

2Th 2:3 in the World English Bible (WEB) says, "Let no one deceive you in any way. For it (the Day of God's Wrath, the 1st day of the Day of the Lord, the Millennium) will not be, unless THE DEPARTURE COMES FIRST, and the man of sin is revealed (second, as the Tribulation begins), the son of destruction." Early Bibles had "departure"--Tyndale's, Cranmer's, the Great Bible, Breecher's, Beza's and the Coverdale Bible.

The False Prophet will be revealed when he confirms the peace covenant as the Tribulation begins. Dan. 9:27 says, "And he shall confirm (strengthen) the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease."

Isa. 57:1 shows that the Rapture is before the Tribulation. It says, "The righteous perisheth (abad, escapes), and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away (acaph, removed, evacuated), none considering that THE RIGHTEOUS IS TAKEN AWAY (ACAPH, REMOVED, EVACUATED, I.E., RAPTURED) FROM THE EVIL TO COME."

In Rev. 4:1, John is caught up to Heaven. In verse 4, we see that the other 23 elders were caught up too. John is an apostle and an "elder" (II Jn. 1:1; III Jn. 1:1). The other 11 apostles and the 12 patriarchs of Israel are the 24 elders crowned and seen sitting on their thrones in Heaven in 4:4. In 5:9, we see that saints out of every nation are also there.

All those saints are in Heaven before the 1st seal is broken on the Title Deed of the Earth. The 2nd group is raptured between the breaking of the 6th and 7th seals (Rev. 6:12, 7:9,14; 8:1).

There are 2 Raptures, Pre-Trib and Pre-Wrath, both pre-figured by the 2 silver trumpets of Num 10:1-4. The FIRST TRUMP is the Pre-Trib Rapture. The "LAST TRUMP" (I Cor. 15:51,52) is the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

It says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall ALL BE CHANGED, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP (2nd Rapture): for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we (1st century saints and all since, up to the Tribulation) shall be changed (made actually immortal). For this corruptible must put on incorruption (they are 'raised in incorruption,' v. 42), and this mortal must put on immortality."

Num 10:1-4 says, "the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee TWO TRUMPETS OF SILVER; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them (both), all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And if they blow but with ONE TRUMPET, then the princes (the elders), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee."

The reason both trumpets sound at the time of the Pre-Wrath Rapture is shown in Mt. 24:31 and Mark 13:27. On the day of the 2nd Rapture, those saints previously caught up to Heaven are gathered from one end of Heaven to the other to the general assembly in Heaven (Heb. 12:23). Then the remaining saints are caught up from the Earth.

Mark 13:27 says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN."

The two Raptures are as the days of Noah and as the days of Lot. In the former, rain fell, not fire. In the latter, fire fell that same day. Luke 17:29 says, "the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all." The 2nd Rapture is on the Day of God's Wrath, but is caught up before the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 impact Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5).

> > The tribulation is the time of JACOB'S troubles.Jacob is ISRAEL, not the church!

Only the Day of God's Wrath is the time of Jacob's trouble, not the whole Tribulation.

Dan. 12:1,2 says, "at that time (when the False Prophet will come to his end, 11:45) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and THERE SHALL BE A TIME OF TROUBLE, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION EVEN TO THAT SAME TIME: and at that time (one day) thy people shall be delivered (the Pre-Wrath Rapture), every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake." Agape

Excerpts from incoming e-mail, my comments inserted and marked ***

ZionsCRY PROPHECY NEWS 9-15-02, By Reverend Carolu Joy

***Thanks for sending me current events.

> > The next 30 days cold well see the Armageddon of the Revelation. It is not absurd....

***Please reconsider. You are too strong a believer to fall for that. The word Armageddon only appears once in the Bible, in Rev. 16:16. It says, "And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."

***Rev. 19:19,20 shows when Armageddon is fought, just before the Beast and False Prophet are cast into the Lake of Fire. It says, "I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him (Christ) that sat on the horse, and against his army (including the saints). And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

***Armageddon is fought when dominion over Earth is taken away from Satan, not at the beginning of the Tribulation. If Armageddon was to be fought at the beginning of the Tribulation, there would be no Tribulation. Satan would be beat before he was cast out of Heaven, before he inhabited the False Prophet. That won't wash.

***Armageddon is the last battle to be fought. It is between Christ's forces and Satan's forces. It cannot take place until "the LORD my God shall come (Second Advent), and ALL THE SAINTS WITH THEE," (Zech. 14:5). All the saints must return to Earth with Christ. Since we haven't been caught up to Heaven yet, I don't think we will return with Christ within the next 30 days.

> > Children, we are in the Tribulation period now. The SEALs of the Revelation are broken, and the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse are loose now. The Church Age is OVER. Your previous theories and beliefs and 'certainties' need to give way to whats happening today! Scriputure of Revelation tells you that you will be BLESSED BY READING IT. READ IT .. THIS WEEK .. ALL OF IT.

***If there are 7 good and 7 bad years since the Oslo Accords were signed in 1993, we are in the 2nd bad year, but that is not the same as the Tribulation. The False Prophet has not yet been revealed, therefore, the Tribulation has not yet begun. The False Prophet will be revealed when he confirms (lit., strengthens) the covenant as the Tribulation/70th week of Dan. 9:27 begins.

***Next in the order of events is the Pre-Trib Rapture. After that, the covenant will be strengthened. This will reveal who the Beast and False Prophet are. The Beast will rule during the 1st 1260 days of the Tribulation (Rev. 11:3). The False Prophet will rule during the following Great Tribulation, the part that is to be shortened or no flesh would be saved (Mt. 24:21,22).

***Since we will be in Heaven (Rev. 4:1) before Christ is given the 7-sealed Title Deed of the Earth (Rev. 5:1-7), the 1st seal (Rev. 6:1,2) on the Title Deed has not yet been broken. The 4th seal breaking introduces the False Prophet's reign. That's Mid-Trib.

***When you reread Revelation, notice the sequence of events. The book seems to be organized by circle clocks. The 6 seals form 6 circles within a larger outer circle. The center circle represents the 7th seal. It has within it another circle clock, representing the 7 trumpet judgments. Out of the 7th trumpet judgment is another circle clock representing the 7 vials that fill up God's wrath.

***Thus, the 7 trumpet judgments come out of the 7th seal. The 7 vials come out of the 7th trumpet judgment. None of these have taken place yet, not even the 1st seal, or the 1st trumpet, or the 1st vial.

***Be sure to check out new so-called prophecies with Scripture. If they don't agree in all points, hang on to Scripture and throw out the rest. There are misleading spirits only too happy to lead us astray if we let them. The Bible is the only real truth we have. We must hang on to it. It is our anchor in unsteady seas.

Incoming email, Re: Just wanted to make sure you saw this one

Marilyn, could it really be? Are we really, really close now to the carrying off of the Bride by force, when Yah Shua claims the precious fruit of the Earth for Himself?

You have been watching much, much longer than I, of course, :-) but now that His parousia is almost here, for me it almost seems too good to be true. Perhaps too good not to be true. At last!

From 5 Doves site, Re: "Sept. 21st 1998....Sept. 21st 2002" Sam Orlando (15 Sep 2002)

John, Forgive me if this has been touched on but I don't remember seeing it. I was reading Mrs. Agee's latest Pro and Con # 948 posted yesterday and noticed the following statement: "According to my work on Bible Chronology, the 6000 years since Adam was cast out of Eden would have ended on Tishri 1, 5758 (Sept. 21, 1998)."

Notice the date she believes this happened!! September 21st 1998! From that date till Tabernacles this year is exactly 4 years. The Oslo accords were signed on September 13th 1993. Mrs. Agee among others believe that the day of God,s wrath will be on September 13th, 2007. Now look at the following.

{pre-trib rapture} {pre-wrath rapture}

Sept. 13th 1993------Sept. 21st, 1998-------Sept. 21st 2002--------Sept. 13th, 2007

(Oslo accords) (end 6000 yrs)
(Tabernacles) (Day of God,s wrath)

[-------------5 yrs-----------------] [----------------4 yrs-------------] [---------------------5 yrs------------------]

(plus 8 days) (exactly) (minus 8 days)

The parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9 would fit exactly in the 4 year span above: I'm not sure if there is anything to glean from this. Just thought I would mention it.

My reply

Thanks for sending it, just to make sure.

I hope Tabernacles is the Rapture, but check out these numbers. One doesn't match up with the others. Sept. 21, 2002 is Tishri 15, not Tishri 1.

> > Sept. 13th 1993------Sept. 21st, 1998-------Sept.
> > 21st 2002--------Sept. 13th, 2007
> > Sept. 13, 1993 = Elul

Sept. 13, 1993 = Tishri 1, 5754
Sept. 21, 1998 = Tishri 1, 5759
Sept. 21, 2002 = Tishri 15, 5763
Sept. 13, 2007 = Tishri 1, 5768

Tomorrow, Sept. 16, 2002 is Tishri 10, the Day of Atonement, which has already begun in Israel. 8 PM here in California is 6 AM in Israel. They are 10 hours ahead of us. Therefore, the 12 hours of night for Tishri 10 have already passed in Israel.

> > September 21st 1998! From that date till Tabernacles this year is exactly 4 years

This seems significant, but we have to remember that it is figured on our calendar instead of the Jewish Calendar. However, here at the end of the age, both the Gregorian and Jewish calendars may enter into the picture. It doesn't hurt to look at both, just in case. The gospel is no longer confined to Israel. I hope this is a good clue. We'll know soon.

Tabernacles, Tishri 15 (Sept. 21), is the last of the 3 feasts when they were to go UP to Jerusalem (Unleavened Bread, Feast of Weeks/Pentecost and Tabernacles). It is a "solemn assembly" (Lev. 23:36), a Sabbath. Lev. 23:39 says, "on the first day shall be a sabbath (shabbathown, a Sabbatism, a great solemn Sabbath), and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath (shabbathown)."

Eight means new order. The Rapture institutes a new order. The dead in Christ will be raised incorruptible, etc. Both Sept. 21 and Sept. 28 are on the Saturday Sabbath in 2002 and 2003, but not in every year. The 8 days in 2002 are:

(1) Tishri 15, Sat, 9-21-02
(2) Tishri 16, Sun, 9-22-02
(3) Tishri 17, Mon, 9-23-02
(4) Tishri 18, Tue, 9-24-02
(5) Tishri 19, Wed, 9-25-02
(6) Tishri 20, Thur, 9-26-02
(7) Tishri 21, Fri., 9-27-02
(8) Tishri 22, Sat., 9-28-02

Besides the first day of the feast, we should consider the last day, the "solemn assembly" (Lev. 23:36). The Rapture could be a solemn assembly. The 2nd Rapture is "the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven" (Heb. 12:23).

John 7:1-39 says, "After these things Jesus walked in Galilee (circuit, circle, i.e., the heavenly sphere): for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him. Now the Jews' feast of TABERNACLES was at hand." The Rapture is "at hand" in Rev. 1:3 and 22:10.

Continuing, Jesus told his brethren, "I go not up YET unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come....he abode still in Galilee. But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also UP unto the feast, NOT OPENLY, BUT AS IT WERE IN SECRET...." Could this represent his coming at the Rapture? He will meet us in the air.

"Now about the MIDST OF THE FEAST Jesus WENT UP INTO THE TEMPLE...In the LAST DAY, that GREAT DAY OF THE FEAST, Jesus stood and CRIED, saying, If any man thirst, let him COME UNTO ME, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive." On the day of the Rapture, Jesus will say, "Come up hither." That could be a matchmark, a clue he planted to help us understand.

We have need of patience. Before long, we will know if Tabernacles is tied to the 1st Rapture or not.

If not, maybe we should look into Cheshvan 27 (Wed., Nov. 2, 2002), the date when Noah came out of the Ark on a high mountain called Ararat that could easily indicate the high mountain called Heaven. The climb down to establish the city of Kish (meaning bow) must have been rough until on flatter ground. God made sure they made it down safely. Agape

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