Pro and Con 951

Posted 9-21-02

THE BULGING SOUTHERN WALL OF THE TEMPLE AREA

From 5 Doves site, Re: "Possible Confirmation"

Jeff Wheeler (20 Sep 2002)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2002/jw920-2.htm

This evening at about 7:30 pm I went outside to put my truck away and something caught my eye that I wanted to share with you. Looking westward in the sky I saw that a missle had been launched, (Vandenberg Base is in that direction). I followed the contrail that went from a deep orange to a golden color. What really grabbed my attention was what appeared at the top. It looked exactly like the 'dove' symbol that is frequently seen on cars and elsewhere. EXACTY! And it was brightly lit up even though it was night time and the sun could no longer be seen. I wonder if the Lord was showing me something. Hope to see you all soon, Jeff

My comment

Here is a picture of this Vandenberg missile launch. The first one I ever saw was from La Mirada, CA, when my neighbor and I were in the yard talking. She wondered if Christ was coming. This launch pattern is very interesting. In the 1st picture below, the front end looks like a dove at rest. The 2nd picture is after the dove took flight.

From 5 Doves site

Bobby Dill (21 Sep 2002) "Dove Picture..." http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2002/bd921.htm
John, here is the picture of the Dove... Jeff Wheeler mentioned this on Sept. 20, 2002 in his post...
http://www.drudgereport.com/test.jpg

Incoming email, Re: Eternal Appreciation

Dear Marilyn, God has placed people historically in key positions to be gatekeepers for His purposes. Moses was such a person to free people from bondage; you, too, are a gatekeeper placed to prepare God's own to see Him face to face. You have not only won over the stubborn and arrogant to the Lord's kingdom; but you have steadied and readied untold readers to face the issues that stand as obstacles in their own lives to God's purposes eternally for them. You have stirred hearts that have been vulnerable to the Holy Spirit to understand the broader implications of the Lord's return. You have tirelessly endured, ignoring often your own physical pain and stresses with Ed's heart attack and financial need in order that the Bride might be ready to meet the Bridegroom. I know that you give the glory to the Lord and we respect you for that; but you have personally made the choice to stand in the gap for His sake.

Should John Tng be accurate in Saturday's hoped for Rapture, I just wanted to take this opportunity to publicly say how very much we all love and appreciate you. Then, I want to be among the many who will be giving you a big hug as we meet face to face! Until Then

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. I hope everyone I have corresponded with will be there to meet face to face. What a day of rejoicing that would be. I don't have much hope for some of them, though. I just got this word from Rich Pope. "I've reconsidered Yeshua and still believe he is NOT the Moshiach."

It reminds me of what the "Lord GOD" told Ezekiel, "the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me" (Eze. 3:7). I just hope that Rich will be one of the 144,000 Israelites that will be saved during the Seventieth Week of Daniel (Rev. 7:1f; 14:3-5; Dan. 9:27).

Maybe seeing the things in The Revelation of Jesus Christ coming to pass will help him see that Y'shua is his only hope, his only lifeline that can pull him out of the hell hole he is sinking into. Jeremiah played it out for us. He was pulled up out of the miry pit by a strong cord (Y'shua's righteousness) among the rotten rags (his own righteousnesses).

Jer 38:10-13 says, "the king commanded Ebedmelech the Ethiopian, saying, Take from hence thirty men with thee, and take up Jeremiah the prophet out of the dungeon, before he die. So Ebedmelech took the men with him, and went into the house of the king under the treasury, and took thence old cast clouts and old rotten rags, and let them down by cords into the dungeon to Jeremiah. And Ebedmelech the Ethiopian said unto Jeremiah, Put now these old cast clouts and ROTTEN RAGS under thine armholes under the CORDS. And Jeremiah did so. So they drew up Jeremiah with cords, and took him up out of the dungeon."

Isa 64:6 says that "we are all as an unclean thing, and ALL OUR RIGHTEOUSNESSES ARE AS FILTHY RAGS; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. Dan 9:18 says, "O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by thy name: for WE DO NOT PRESENT OUR SUPPLICATIONS BEFORE THEE FOR OUR RIGHTEOUSNESSES, BUT FOR THY GREAT MERCIES."

Psa. 40:1-3 says, "I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. HE BROUGHT ME UP ALSO OUT OF AN HORRIBLE PIT, OUT OF THE MIRY CLAY, AND SET MY FEET UPON A ROCK ('and that rock was Christ,' I Cor. 10:4), and established my goings. And he hath put a new song (Rev. 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it (the Rapture), and fear, and shall trust in the LORD.

I Cor. 10:4 says of the Israelites in the wilderness, "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST." The Shekinah glory was the Spirit of Christ. YHVH that spoke to Moses face to face was YHVH of hosts (Isa. 44:6), the pre-incarnate Christ, the Son of God.

Christ/Jesus/Y'shua is the only thing we can stand on and be saved. Y'shua came in his father's name, i.e., YHVHshua, YAHshua, Y'shua, meaning YHVH is shua, salvation. Truly, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself," (I Cor. 5:19).

As a test in the Age of the Jews, Prov 30:4 asked, "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name (YHVH), and WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME (Y'shua), if thou canst tell?"

As a test in the Age of the Church, Mt. 22:42 asks, "What think ye of Christ? WHOSE SON IS HE?" (YHVH's/God's).

Rich doesn't have the right answers. Too bad. He needs our prayers. I just hope he can see the light before it is too late.

In Joh 8:12, "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the LIGHT of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the LIGHT of life." Agape

Incoming email, Re: Witnessing to Jews: amazing testimony

From: Jim Bramlett
...This morning I received a reply from Messianic Jewish leader, speaker and teacher, Matt Schwartz, a friend whom I greatly admire. Matt is a bold and articulate witness for Jesus. He tells of a witnessing experience he had several years ago with leading Jewish professionals in Houston, which blessed me deeply. I want to share the blessing with you. The wisdom of the Lord is absolutely amazing. Below is an excerpt of Mattís message:
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...John Osteen, of Lakewood church in Houston, was holding his annual Word conference in the largest stadium in Houston several years ago before he went to be with the Lord. About 17,000 Spirit-filled believers attended the five-day event. Sid Roth was there and so was I. Sid was very blessed that John Osteen was having me. I was invited to be the Saturday night guest speaker along with Kenneth Hagin, Sr. When Pastor John Osteen introduced me, he gave a twenty-minute version of my testimony, which he knew quite well. Then I shared about Jesus revealed in the Seven Feasts of Israel. I talked about the Lordís first and His second coming as Israel's Messiah. "Jesus," I said, "is the Lamb of God and the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. "Sid was very blessed that as a Messianic Jew, I was one of the major speakers at this conference.

Just before the meeting ended, a lady named Betty Chandler and her husband, Cal, asked me if I could share the gospel with some of their unsaved Jewish friends. The meeting would be in Calís and Bettyís home in the Woodlands, a suburb of Houston, on Saturday night.

I said, "Sure, Betty, I will be glad to share the Lord with your Jewish friends."...

The next day I asked Cal and Betty (who lived in a gorgeous 5,000 sq. ft. home and were very blessed financially, since they had put their business in Godís hands), "By the way, Betty, tell me about your Jewish friends, and how many of them will be coming to your home to hear me share my testimony of how I met Jesus as my Messiah?"

Betty said, "At least 100 Jewish people are coming, Matt. We know them from the Woodlands Country Club, where Cal and I are members. We play golf and tennis with them every week. And we try as best we can to share the things of the Lord with them, but so far, we haven't had any kind of breakthrough. We felt that God had sent you to Houston, to preach to the saints in our city, and the Word says, "to the Jew first," so we invited all 100 of our Jewish friends to out home for appetizers, a sit-down catered dinner, and then after dinner, to turn the night over to you. You are their speaker and they know that you believe that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah"...

Betty then added, "Matt, that are all super-successful Jewish people. Many are millionaires from their businesses in real estate, diamonds (the Hellzbergs attended who own Helzberg Jewelry, which is in ever mall in America), and so on will be there. However, being Houston and being so close to NASA, most of my Jewish friends have double Ph.D.'s in nuclear physics and space science, and many are engineers who graduated from either from M.I.T. or Harvard, with several Ph.D.'s and they are highly paid and on the cutting edge of our space program, and the space shuttle itself."

I had only one day to prepare for this meeting. I fasted and prayed, and asked the Lord, "Lord what should I preach on? This is a divine appointment. There are 20,000 Jews who live in Houston. These are the leading and most well-respected Jewish couples in the city. They are best-selling authors, scientists, attorneys, bankers, doctors, and leading scientists from NASA.

The basic Billy Graham altar call, music, ("Come as you Are") hasn't brought many Jewish people in our nation to Jesus. Jews simply donít attend Billy Graham crusades. So I said, "Lord, what exactly should I say?"

Of course, I would share my salvation testimony, and no one can argue with my experience of seeing Jesus and hearing Him say to me, "Matthew, I love You. I am the Messiah, and I'm coming again soon." Yet I felt that there was a special message to preach along with my personal testimony -- a message that would touch their hearts and challenge them as Jews, to see that no matter how righteous they thought they were by keeping the laws of Moses, they were still lost. They would not make Heaven as their home. One Jewish man was even a Nobel prize winner. Yet he was as lost as all the rest of those who would come to hear me speak. I knew that. But they didnít.

So as I waited on the Lord, on the day of the meeting, I noticed a Dakes Bible on my desk. The Lord said to me, "Matt, read Dakes commentary on the book of Exodus."

I said, "Okay Lord, I'll do just that, right now." Well, Dake had counted all the laws God gave Moses at Mt. Sinai and after Mt. Sinai, and all the laws given by God in the books of Numbers, Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Most believers know there are a lot of laws to keep besides the 10 commandments. But just how many laws and commandments must a Jew keep, to "fulfill the Law" and expect to go to Heaven when he dies?

The answer, according to Dake and his commentary, is a total of 2,300 laws! Then since the fall of the Jewish temple in 70 AD, over 1800 of those 2,300 laws cannot be kept by any righteous Jews today, anywhere in the world, since those 1,800 laws pertain to animal sacrifices, the cutting of the animal, making blood covenant atonement for sin, the role of the Levites, etc., in preparing the sacrifices, killing the lambs for atonement and applying the blood to places like the mercy seat in the temple. Those laws alone represent 80% of the law of Moses. The remaining 20% were about keeping the Sabbath, the dietary laws, family laws, laws, about killing, restitution laws. laws about raising your children, etc. The best a righteous Jew could keep today is a scant 20% of the law of Moses.

Now most tests in school require at least a " C" or a 65 % score to pass any exam. How sad, to trust in the lof Moses and the best you could score was 20%. No Jew could go to Heaven with such a low score. Jews need a temple, a high priest, a blood covenant and Jerusalem to keep the other 80% of the Law of Moses.

Now Israel has Jerusalem, since winning the 1967 six day war, but no animal sacrifices, no blood covenant, and no high priest offering sacrifices for sin 24 hours a day. So there is no salvation plan for the Jews anymore. Jews need Jesus. He replaced the animals; He is the blood covenant, and He is our High Priest. It's His way, or no way at all. The law of Moses is not in effect for Jews, or for anyone else for that matter, since Jesus died for our sins.

Well, I came prayed up and excited about this opportunity to share the Lord with all of Calís and Bettyís bright Jewish friends.

They arrived in their new Jaguars, Cadillacs, Lincolns and Lexus's. They were all super-nice people -- all well-dressed, all were friendly and successful. The wives were equally elegant, well-dressed, intelligent and educated. They all showed up for dinner at Cal's and Bettys, in this exclusive home in the suburbs of Houston, Texas to meet me and to hear me share about Jesus as the Messiah.

So I said, "I'm honored to be here tonight and I want to thank you for allowing me to be your guest speaker. Now, many of you have more degrees and have passed more tests in your life than any other group of 100 people I could address anywhere in America. I respect you for your achievements and for those of you who successfully run our space shuttle. You are all very bright and very talented people. Now since you all know about tests, how many of you passed the bar exam and today are lawyers"

Many raised their hands. I asked them, "How many of you are scientists, engineers, professors, etc.?" By now almost every hand in the room went up, including the Jewish wives who were there with their successful Jewish husbands. Many wondered where I was going with my asking them about passing exams in their life.

Then I asked, "Did any of you ever fail your bar exam or your CPA exam and have to take it a second time?" Several raised their hands.

Then I said, "Well, I failed an exam also. It was my drivers license exam. I had to get 15 correct answers out of 20 questions. I got only 14 right, and I had to take my driving exam a second time. Some began to smile at my admission of failing my drivers license exam at age 17 and having to take the test over.

Then I said, "Let me say that you all know that Spirit-filled Christians like Cal and Betty, whose home we are in tonight, believe that all Christians have to do to go to Heaven when they die is to have faith in the finished work of Jesus on the cross." I quoted Ephesians 2:8, where Paul says, "for we are saved by faith, not by works, lest any man boast," and that salvation is the gift of God.

I said, "A gift vs. a set of laws from Moses seems to be the major difference between Christians and Jews." Many nodded and smiled in agreement with me.

"Now that sounds just too simple for you who are Jewish," I said. "Saved by faith? That's for Christians. We all know that Jewish people have a different approach to going to Heaven when they die. Your approach is based on being a good Jew. By the way, how many of you consider yourselves, 'good Jews' here tonight? Every hand went up.

I asked, "How many of you give to charity?" Again every hand went up. "How many of you support your local synagogue here in Houston?" Again every hand went up. "How many of you give financial help to the State of Israel?" Again every hand went up. "Keep the Jewish Feasts?" Now only some hands went up. "Keep the Laws of Moses perfectly, and are not guilty of not keeping a single law of Moses?" Now, no hands went up.

"No one can keep every law, can they" asked one Jewish attorney, named Mark. I just smiled and didn't answer his question.

So I said, "Well, we all know Christians have Jesus and Jews keep the law of Moses, so there are simply different ways to go heaven. And I suppose we should all not judge each other. Christians should respect Jews, and Jews should respect Christians. Am I right? After all, this is America, right?"

Now everyone was leaning forward and nodding in agreement with me. "We believe in Jesus and you believe in the law of Moses," I said. ďOkay, but before I sit down I want to ask you just one more simple question, and it's the most important question of the night. In fact, it is so important that everyone get it right that I'm handing out paper and pens to everyone here. It's just one simple question. But your answer will determine where you will spend eternity. So think about your answer very carefully," I said.

"Now here's the question: Since all Jews in one way or another all keep or try to keep to some degree the law of Moses, here's my question. It's in two parts. Are you ready?" They said, yes, were ready.

"Okay, how many laws of Moses are there? That's question number one. And for question number two, how many of the laws of Moses must you keep to be sure you will go to Heaven after your earthly life is over, and your body is in the grave? Please write down your answers now," I said.

There was silence in the room. The brightest minds in our nation had no clue, exactly how many laws of Moses there were.

Now after 5 minutes, I said, "Okay, the test is over. Let's hear your answers.

"No hands went up. A Jewish scientist named Paul said, "I'm not sure how many laws of Moses there are, but I'm going to guess, may I?"

I smiled, leaned on my lectern and said, "Go ahead. You may guess."

The Jewish scientist who worked on the NASA space shuttle replied, "Are there 700 Laws?"

I smiled and said, "I'm not going to tell you yet. How many think there are 700 laws of Moses like Jeff just said? Some raised their hands, and some said, "Matt aren't there only 10 laws, the 10 commandments?" Another Jewish woman said, "I think there are 50 laws of Moses." A lawyer said, "I think there are 120 Laws of Moses. Is that right?" he asked.

Now the room was buzzing. Some argued their point. Others looked unsure. Finally, after 20 minutes of debate, one Jewish leader spoke up and said, "Matt weíre not sure. How many laws of Moses are there that we must keep to go to Heaven when we die?"

I slowly said, "Please write down what I'm about to say. God gave Moses over 2,300 laws. 2,300 Laws. How many of you think you've perfectly kept ALL of Gods 2,300 Laws?"

Not a hand went up. Again silence.

Continuing, I said, "And since the Fall of the Jewish Temple in 70 AD, 1,800 laws CANNOT (emphasis mine) be kept at all. "That leaves you only 500 Laws to keep, and if you kept all of them, you'd still only get a 20% right, on God's test of Righteousness and Holiness. So, do you think you can go to Heaven with a 20% score on God's exam?"

Again silence. Then I said. "Please bow your heads for just a moment. If you are sure that the law of Moses will save you, then do nothing. But if you're not sure, and since God says a man must keep every law and every commandment, then may I suggest that only one man who ever lived kept the law, and that man's name was Jesus, the Messiah of Israel, the Son of God, the only Son, the only sacrifice, the final offering for sin. Jesus alone bore the penalty of our sin, and now we are saved by grace, not by law. Please say with me, tonight, a simple prayer: 'God, I have sinned. I am sorry I have broken and have not kept all the laws of Moses. I thank you for sending Jesus as my Messiah to die in my place and to be my Savior and my lord. Save me, Lord. I repent of my sins and I receive the free gift of eternal life. In Jesus name, amen.'"

Still no one moved. Some were weeping. One woman was crying. A lawyer had tears in his eyes. The Holy Spirit was convicting some of their spiritual pride, and of their sins.

Then Betty arose, sang a worship song, and the presence of God filled her living room.

I made my way to my seat and sat down. Then Betty and Cal dismissed the meeting and thanked everyone for coming. The atmosphere had changed. Some left without saying a word. Many were pondering the questions of "Where would they go if they died as Jews? Was the law of Moses enough ? HAD THEY FAILED AT BEING GOOD JEWS?

It was an awesome thought. Most had never asked themselves those questions before. They had done so many good deeds in their lives that if anyone would be saved, it would be them, they thought. Now they weren't sure anymore.

They were quiet and pensive when they left. The light jokes and smiles were gone. It was a serious question they had been asked, and most had no answer at all, or weren't sure about the answer they had given.. It was quite unsettling for scientists, attorneys, and doctors who base their whole lives and careers on certainty.

A few weeks later, Cal and Betty called to say that several prominent Jewish couples had been born again the week following the night I spoken in their home. They were seeking now to know more about the Holy Spirit. The big topic in Houston now among the leading Jews in the city was, "Who do we know who is keeping all the 2,300 laws of Moses?" The right answer was no one. "Do we need Jesus?" one would say? It went on like this for weeks.

I reminded them that night, "You have to get a perfect 100 on God's test based on the law of Moses to go to Heaven when you die." I had gotten them thinking. They were now not sure of their faith in the law of Moses anymore to save them.

For that I was very grateful that the Lord could show them the answers to the questions they were now asking about Judaism and the law, and about Jesus.

I thought Jim, you would enjoy this simple story. And let's pray that by now many more of these wonderful Jewish people, who have done so much for their community and for America, will make the right decision, and ask Jesus to be their Messiah, Lord and Savior. And then and only then can they be sure of their salvation.

Sincerely, your friend, in Jesus, Matt Schwartz

Interesting excerpts from "Unleavened Bread and the Rapture" - 5 Doves site

Dave Camp (21 Sep 2002) http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2002/davec921-2.htm ...John 7:2-5 Now the Jews' feast of tabernacles was at hand. 3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest. 4 For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, show thyself to the world. 5 For neither did his brethren believe in him.... Jesus WENT UP SECRETLY; this seems to point to His "catching us up" at that time....

So how about this scenario?

Paralleling with Passover, 1st and 7th months "in sync":

10 Nisan - lamb brought into house; head of household examines.
10 Tishri - High Priest "brought" into Holy of Holies; God examines.
14 Nisan - Passover; those "under the blood" are spared.
14 Tishri - Those in the church NOT "under the blood" (ie, found in sin) marked to be left behind.
15 Nisan - Jews leave Egypt at midnight.
15 Tishri - Jews in the Church raptured, "leave" Egypt - ie,
the world. Church: WAKE UP - check yer oil!!!
15-21 Nisan - Unleavened Bread (note that Israel DID NOT keep this feast at the FIRST Passover!)
15-21 Tishri - Gentile Church scrambles around, trying to clean the leaven out of their lives.
18 Nisan, 18 Tishri both EXACT middle of the 7-day feast periods:
18 Nisan (assuming a Thursday Passover): Jesus vanishes from before the disciples' eyes after returning from Emmaus; this happened probably around twilight, 17/18 Nisan....
18 TISHRI = Tue = 24 SEPTEMBER:

Jesus "goes up" IN THE MIDDLE of the feast, in secret; Wise virgins raptured with Him. Foolish virgins left behind; leaven still not cleaned out....Something to think about....

Incoming email

they will be blowing two silver trumpets on Monday, September 23rd.

Also, I read on another site about Sukkot celebrations, that a group will march each day of Sukkot around around the Temple Mount walls.

Exciting days!! It is almost unfathomable that we will behold Jesus face to face, our Saviour, and our God! I look down at my hands and arms as I type this, and wonder what they will look like when they are changed into the glorified state. But, Jesus was flesh and bone in His glorified state, and we are going to be like Him. It is just amazing, just amazing.....with God, nothing is impossible.

Thanks be to the Lord Almighty, who alone does great things! Blessings
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The Temple Mount Faithful Movement Will March in a Pilgrimage to the Temple Mount and to the Pool of Siloam in the City of David at Sukkoth

They will Carry with them a large model of the Temple and Vessels for the Third Temple and Blow on the Silver Trumpets

At 10:00 AM on the 3rd day of Sukkoth, 17th Tishrei 5763, Monday 23rd September 2002, the Temple Mount Faithful Movement will march to the Temple Mount...

We will carry with us a large model of the temple which will be an opening for the rebuilding of the house of GĖd on Mt. Moriah. We will also carry with us the holy vessels which have been reconstructed for use in the Third Temple and the priestly garments which the priests will wear on this exciting event....We will also carry with us the 2 silver trumpets which have been recently reconstructed by the Movement to be used in the Third Temple exactly in accordance with the Word of GĖd in the Torah. The priests will blow on the trumpets and a large shofar (ramís horn) when we come to the front of the Western gate of the Temple Mount.

My reply

Thanks. I wondered why they had made four silver trumpets. Num 10:1-4 says, "the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them (both, i.e., at the Pre-Wrath Rapture, when there is a first and 'last trump,' I Cor. 15:51,52), all the assembly (saints in Heaven and on Earth) shall assemble themselves to thee (Heb. 12:23) at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel (i.e., the 24 elders, Rev. 4:4), shall gather themselves unto thee" (i.e., at the Pre-Trib Rapture)

Incoming email, Re: Pre-trib rapture scriptures

I got two responses from ---- after I forwarded your explanation. He is totally blind and stubborn. I guess it doesn't matter if one is saved and has a post-trib view, but do you believe someone would be left behind if they do not want to go? I am speaking of another here, someone who says they were sincere when praying to receive Christ, but whose life bears no fruit, and who said he does not want to go. Another said he is not ready to go now because there are things he wants to do first, like go to college and get married. Should we be burdened for these?...both of whom prayed to accept Christ. ---- also saved and age 11, is not sure if he wants to go now because he thinks heaven will be boring--no video games.

Re: Pre-trib rapture scriptures
I have shared almost everything God has been showing to us at 5 Ds, and they don't really believe he is coming soon because we have had such high hopes on previous dates and nothing has happened. Another Christian sister who recently got married and knows about our findings is kind of angry because she hasn't gotten to enjoy her married life. I feel like just not saying another word to them. What do we do?

Thanks for taking the time to answer my sometimes lengthy posts. God bless you. Love

My reply

> > do you believe someone would be left behind if they do not want to go?

I'd be afraid they would be left behind. Heb. 12:22-25 says, "ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven."

> > Should we be burdened for these?

Sure. We should tell them the alternatives, then let them make up their own minds. The just shall walk by faith. That is man's test. We should trust God to make a better world for us. This one is going to be hit by the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10. Every wall will fall in the worldwide earthquake (Eze. 38:20). The cities of the nations will fall (Rev. 16:19). Civilization as we know it will be destroyed. We are lucky that God gave us a way out before that takes place. I can't imagine not taking such a great gift.

> > they don't really believe he is coming soon because we have had such high hopes on previous dates and nothing has happened.

That doesn't mean that nothing will happen when we get it right. God Bless. Agape

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