Let's look again at the Transfiguration passages, thinking about what they might symbolize.
Mar 9:1-7 says, "he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them (Peter, James and John) that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. And AFTER SIX DAYS (hemera, day, age, time, while, years, to be determined by the context) Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John (all 3 are apostles, elders that will be seen crowned and sitting on their thrones in Heaven in Rev. 4:4, right after the Rapture in Rev. 4:1), and leadeth (anaphero, to take up, i.e., to rapture) them UP INTO AN HIGH MOUNTAIN (i.e., Heaven) apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them (i.e., in Heaven, when we will see him as he is). And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them (the alternative to Earth is Heaven). And there appeared unto them ELIAS WITH MOSES (the two witnesses of Rev. 11, STILL IN HEAVEN AT THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE): and they were talking with Jesus (they will come to Earth as the Tribulation starts). And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here (i.e., in Heaven): and let us make THREE TABERNACLES; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid. And there was A CLOUD (the Shekinah glory) that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him." Mt. 17:1-7 says, "AFTER SIX DAYS Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain (i.e., Heaven) apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him (the 2 witnesses are still in Heaven at the Pre-Trib Rapture). Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here (in Heaven): if thou wilt, let us make here THREE TABERNACLES; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the CLOUD, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. And when the disciples heard it, THEY FELL ON THEIR FACE (as John did at the Preview of the Rapture, Rev. 1:17), and were sore afraid. And Jesus came and TOUCHED THEM (as in the Preview in Rev. 1:17), and said, ARISE, and be not afraid" (as in Rev. 1:17).
Luke 9:28-35 says, "And it came to pass ABOUT AN EIGHT DAYS after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and WENT UP into a mountain (symbol of Heaven) to pray. And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were MOSES AND ELIAS: WHO APPEARED IN GLORY (i.e., in Heaven, the Old Testament saints will be included in the Pre-Trib Rapture, Heb. 11:40), and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem (Mid-Trib). But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw HIS GLORY, and the two men that stood with him. And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here (in Heaven): and let us make THREE TABERNACLES; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias (still in Heaven at the Pre-Trib Rapture): not knowing what he said. While he thus spake, there came a CLOUD, and overshadowed them: and they feared as THEY ENTERED INTO THE CLOUD. And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him."
After 6 days can point to 7 or 8 years. About an 8 days is closer. Taking Tishri 1, 5754, when the Oslo Accords were ratified in Israel, as a base date and adding 8 years brings us to Tishri 1, 5762, which was Saturday, Sept. 7, 2002, the Feast of Trumpets. That gets us in the ballpark. If we started with the right base date, it looks like "about an eight days" would show us that we are very close to the Rapture now.
Since "three tabernacles" are mentioned in all 3 accounts, the Feast of Tabernacles could still be the date of the Pre-Trib Rapture. Tabernacles lasts 8 days by Jewish Inclusive Reckoning. The first day is counted as day number 1. The feast isn't over yet. Let's see what happens between now and the end of Tishri 22, (Saturday, Sept. 28, 2002). Both Tishri 15 and 22 are Saturday Sabbaths this year. They are not always on Saturday. That might be a good sign.
Lev 23:34-36 says, "Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD. On the first day (Saturday, Tishri 15, 2002) shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day (Tishri 22, Saturday, Sept. 28, 2002) shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is A SOLEMN ASSEMBLY; and ye shall do no servile work therein."
Heb. 12:22-25 tells about the assembly in Heaven. It says, "But YE ARE COME UNTO mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, and to an innumerable company of angels, TO THE GENERAL (panegurei, festal) ASSEMBLY AND CHURCH OF THE FIRSTBORN, WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN HEAVEN, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of JUST MEN MADE PERFECT, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven."
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should NOT BE MADE PERFECT."
Tabernacles is called Sukkot (booths, i.e., temporary structures) by the Jews. If it is the time of the Rapture, we will not be in our earthly homes, but in dwelling places the Lord will provide.
2Co 5:1 is interesting. It says, "For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal IN THE HEAVENS."
> > psalm 102 which I think correlates to 2002 says in psalm 102;13 "it is the appointed time".
I'm not sure that there is a correlation in the Psalm number. However, verses 18-20 seem to apply to this last generation. They say, "This shall be written for the generation to come (acharon, last): and the people which shall be created shall praise the LORD. For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; from heaven did the LORD behold the earth; To hear the groaning of the prisoner; to loose those that are appointed to death."
This can tie in nicely with Rev. 2:10. It says, "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."
> > genesis ch 45 where Joseph reveals himself to his brethren in 3rd year of 7 bad years which I agree with Marylyn agee,we are exactly at that point since rosh hashanah 2002 started the 3rd year of the 7 bad years we are currently in.
Gen. 45:6,7 says, "For these TWO YEARS hath the famine been in the land: and yet there are five years, in the which there shall neither be earing nor harvest. And God sent me before you to preserve you a posterity in the earth, and to save your lives by a great deliverance (pleytah, concretely, an escaped portion, deliverance)." At the Rapture, the Bride of Christ will be the ESCAPED PORTION of the Body of Christ.
Taking Tishri 1, 5754 (ratification of the Oslo Accords in Israel) as the baseline, adding the 7 good years plus 2 of the bad years, we get 5763, which began Tishri 1, Sept. 7, 2002). It looks like the Rapture will take place in 5763. It will run until Sept. 27, 2003.
> > I think this saturday which is the sabbath will be the rapture
You could be right. I sure hope so. God bless. Agape
This man has put dreams he's had from 1997 until now. They are as follows
He says America is the whore, Mystery Babylon in Revelation 17 and 18. Also the Babylon in Isaiah 13, 21, 47, and Jeremiah 51 6-15 and judgment is coming to this country. He saw Indianapolis Nuked, 2 nukes, and Flordia, 3 nukes. Dudeman saw Florida "burning". Many including me, the editor, believe America is the whore of Revelation....
If that was so, America would be a single CITY, not a NATION full of cities. The whole nation would not be inhabited at all during the Millennium. It's destruction would take ONE HOUR. Not even a candle would be lit in it after that fateful hour. The destruction prophesied in the Old Testament is so total, it has not happened yet.
Isa 13:20 says about Babylon, "It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there." The mention of the Arabian fits Babylon in Iraq, not the USA.
Rev. 18:19-23 shows how the CITY is to be destroyed. It differentiates between a CITY and a NATION. Both are mentioned. It says, "in ONE HOUR is she made desolate....And a mighty angel took up a stone (the asteroid of Rev. 8:10) like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great CITY Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy (ONE CITY, BABYLON'S) sorceries were ALL NATIONS deceived." All nations includes the US. Therefore this one city can't be the US.
Let's have a look at what the true prophet of God, Jeremiah, had to say about Babylon. The destruction he talked about has not yet happened to the city of Babylon. It has to be in the future. She gradually declined before, but shepherd's still pastured their flocks there. Stones and bricks were scavenged for buildings elsewhere. The city of Babylon is in the nation of Babylon, now Iraq.
Jer 50:39, 40: "it shall be no more inhabited for ever." As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour cities thereof (totally wiped out by an asteroid's fire and brimstone), saith the LORD; so shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein." This kind of desolation didn't happen in the past. It is still future today.
Jer 50:46: "At the noise of the taking of Babylon (CITY) the earth is moved (the globe will be turned upside down, Isa. 24:1), and the cry is heard among the NATIONS."
Jer 51:6: "Flee out of the midst of Babylon (CITY), and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this is the time of the LORD'S vengeance; he will (still in the future today) render unto her a recompence."
Jer 51:11 "his device is against Babylon (CITY), to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple."
Jer 51:37: "Babylon shall become heaps, a dwellingplace for dragons, an astonishment, and an hissing, without an inhabitant."
Jer 51:42,43: "The sea is come up upon Babylon (THE NATION, i,e., Iraq): she is covered with the multitude of the waves thereof. HER (Iraq's) CITIES are a desolation, a dry land, and a wilderness, a land wherein no man dwelleth, neither doth any son of man pass thereby."
Jer 51:63: "And it shall be, when thou hast made an end of reading this book, that thou shalt bind a stone (representing the asteroid) to it, and cast it into the midst of Euphrates" (as in Rev. 18:21).
Jer 51:64: "And thou shalt say, Thus shall Babylon sink, and SHALL NOT RISE from the evil that I will bring upon her."
The coming desolation is greater than anything that happened to Babylon in the past. Both the OT and the New Testament speak of the same Babylon.
For instance, Jer 51:45 says, "My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD." Rev. 18:4 says, "I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." This sounds like the 2nd Rapture, the Pre-Wrath Rapture.
Jer 51:49 says, "As Babylon hath caused the slain of Israel to fall, so at Babylon shall fall the slain of all the earth." It seems likely that the Lake of Fire will be formed at Babylon. See Rev. 9. The lost go into the Lake of Fire, so this makes sense. Agape
Eze. 29:16-21 gives us the best clue to both the First and the Second Advents. This packet of valuable information is bookended by similar statements.
Verse 16: "they shall know that I am the Lord GOD.
Verse 21: "they shall know that I am the LORD."
The Pre-incarnate Christ is talking. He is the first and the last, both the king of Israel and the LORD of hosts, the Redeemer (Isa. 44:6).
The month and day of the month is set in v. 17. It says, "in the first month, in the first day of the month, THE WORD (Heb. dabar, Gr. logos) of the LORD came unto me. The 1st month of both the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year is Nisan. The 1st month of the Civil Year is Tishri. The Feast of Trumpets is the first day of Tishri. It is the only feast on the first day of a month.
Eze 29:21 gives us very important information. It says, "In that day (Tishri 1, First Advent; Nisan 1, Second Advent) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (i.e., the Logos, the Word, Jesus Christ, John 1-3,14) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD (YHVH)."
Rev 19:13,16 says, "The outer garment in which He is clad has been dipped in blood and His name is THE WORD (logos) OF GOD....And on His outer garment and on His thigh He has a name written, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS."
All of this agrees with Hosea 6:3. It says, "the LORD (YHVH): his going forth (mowtsa, budding) is prepared as the morning (shachar, day spring); and he ('the dayspring from on high') shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth."
Christ is the "dayspring from on high" that has visited us. Luke 1:78 says, "Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us."
In De. 11:14, the LORD (YHVH) says, "I will give you the rain of your land (erets Israel) in HIS DUE SEASON, the first rain (First Advent, Tishri 1) and the latter rain" (Second Advent, Nisan 1).
The former and latter rains are such definite times in Israel that they are listed on their calendars that show feasts, fasts and harvests. Christ comes as the former rain on Tishri 1 and as the latter rain on Nisan 1. Agape
The latest ULF activity is observed as coming from mainly the extreme southern portion of Southern California near the border and north as far as Redlands/Hemet/Idyllwild, CA. A seismic risk increase is now apparent for the Elsinore/Laguna Salada and San Jacinto faults in Baja, San Diego, Riverside, Los Angeles and San Bernardino Counties. Also possible remote trigger towards the Coachella Valley/Salton Sea/Sink in the aftermath. The preliminary magnitudes are now at M6.0 to 7.5 and still subject to further revision as time progresses and more data is accumulated.
This is similar in ways to an approaching Hurricane where it can change its course and go back out to sea again. But, the analysis shows that we have to be on full alert for at least the next 72 hours.
Frank Condon, GeoSeismic Labs
Also: Jack Coles 12219604
Date: September 22, 2002 at 23:06:22
From: Chad Ghavami
Subject: Forecast remains at 63%
Forecast remains at 63% for a 6. + earthquake from now to the 26th of this month on the west caost of california
three main places Jack is watching
1. Santa Rosa
2. San Hose/Santa Cruz
3. Southern California
yet there is a 37% chance it won't happen & will strike at a later time
initial and main signals indicate that there will be casualties when the quake does strike
Jack Coles Sep 22nd 7:50pm
I just decreased the gain for the second time within the last 12 hours to keep the MT (Magnetotetelluric, magnetism of the Earth) reading signal from going off the chart.
It's never happened before.
Frank Condon, GeoSeismic
My note: I understand that liquid rock's magnetic particles align themselves with the magnetic poles of Earth and are locked into that configuration when solidified. In a strike slip fault, the magnetic lines vary some between the two sides.
By chance, I picked up the May, 1998 National Geographic today. In "Cascadia," by Rick Gore, p. 27, he said, "Out on the desert you can find faults easily," explains Silvio Pezzopane of USGS. "In Cascadia (the Pacific Northwest), the surface is covered over by trees, glacial debris, or sediments. The faults are difficult to find, they erode, and only the largest events break the surface."
"But FAULTS CAN CREATE SMALL LOCAL VARIATIONS IN THE MAGNETISM OF THE CRUST, and by analyzing aerial magnetic surveys, USGS geologist Rick Blakely has been finding evidence of many subsurface faults in Oregon." (emphasis mine)
When rock is liquid, its magnetic particles align themselves with Earth's magnetic poles. When solidified, these magnetic particles can show how that rock was originally aligned.
I also thought of II Corinthians 5:1-4: For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
Could these verses have particular implications regarding the present Feast of Tabernacles? We shall see what we shall see.
I am forwarding via e-mail an article from aish.com regarding the significance of the sukkah or temporary dwelling constructed during Sukkoth or the Feast of Tabernacles. I thought you might find it of interest. Ever looking up
Specifically, I have been wondering if the relationship between time and light might hold a key to help us understand. You have mentioned the number of days from Nisan 1 to Tishri 1 are constant year after year. So it seems also that the days from the beginning to the end of the seven festivals (fixed or appointed times or feasts) which Israel was to observe are also constant from Nisan 14 (Passover) to the Last Great Day Tishri 22, namely 186 days by inclusive reckoning. 186 makes me think of the speed of light, 186,000 miles per second. (Interestingly, Bonnie Gaunt says the Greek gematria of "it is finished" and "Golgatha" are each 186 and "firstborn" and "and there shall be no more curse" [Rev. 22:3] are each 1860.)
Will our waiting be finished and our placement in the heavenly mount Zion's ekklesia of the firstborn occur on this 186th day? Will His appearing to show Himself strong to the precious fruit of the earth when we shall see Him as He is resplendent in brilliant white raiment and with His countenance shining as light be on this 186th day, the last great day of the feast, when He cries for those to come unto Him who thirst that they might drink? Thankful for all Ruach HaKodesh has given me of Him, yet after these years of toiling in the parched desert of sin-soaked Earth, I thirst for His presence, to know Him more intimately. "Lord, all my desire is before thee; and my groaning is not hid from thee," Ps. 38:9. "O when wilt thou come unto me?" Ps. 101:2. "Make me pure of heart, Lord, that I might see You. Amen." Agape
It does look like the Bible clues point to 5763 for the Rapture. It could be any time before the next Feast of Trumpets. However, we seem to be running out of time. The Great Tribulation seems to be really squished now. Surely, the Rapture is soon.
> > Will our waiting be finished and our placement in the heavenly mount Zion's ekklesia of the firstborn occur on this 186th day?
I don't know, but I sure hope it will. You are right, the time from Nisan 1 to Tishri 1 does not vary. I hope the 8th day of Tabernacles will be the Rapture, but I'm keeping my eyes open for any clues.
You mentioned Psa. 90:12,13, so I turned to it, and my mind started wandering down another path. I saw, "So teach us to NUMBER OUR DAYS, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom. RETURN, O LORD, HOW LONG? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants."
When I went back to read the context, the first thing I noticed was that Psa. 90 is listed as being "A Prayer of Moses," who lived 120 years. Yet v. 10 says, "The days of OUR years are threescore years and ten (70); and if by reason of strength they be fourscore (80) years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and WE FLY AWAY." The Lord had to be directing his words. Does "we fly away" pertain to the Rapture?
I added 70 to some important dates with nothing tying in. Then, for no good reason, I added 70 to 1928, the year I was born. I got 1998, reminding me that I think the 6000 years of man's test being mortal and knowing both good and evil ended in that year. The four years of the parable of the barren fig tree seem to have started in 1998 too.
1998 plus the 4 years of the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 18:6-9 would end in 2002. Dec. 13,1928 + 74 = Dec. 13, 2002. To be more accurate, the Jewish year 5689 plus 74 is 5763, this year. Do "WE FLY AWAY" in 5763 (2002/2003)? It seems likely.
Strange, and we can't build a doctrine on it, but since our son David's birthday is April 6, date I think the Crucifixion and Second Coming fall on, and our daughter Carol's birthday (May 29) was Pentecost in 30 AD, it does make me wonder. Oh yes, "Agee" is in the Bible, II Sam. 23:11. They even called the altar of witness Ed (my husband's name. The Hebrew word for witness is "ed" (Jos. 22:34).
Dec. 13, 1998, my birthday, was Kislev 24, 5759, the Eve of Hannukah. That date, Kislev 24, is very interesting.
Hag. 2:10 says, "And now, I PRAY YOU, CONSIDER FROM THIS DAY AND UPWARD, from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the LORD." We are the spiritual temple (Eph. 2:21,22). Hag. 2:15 says, "And now, I PRAY YOU, CONSIDER FROM THIS DAY AND UPWARD, from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the LORD. Verses 18 and19 say, "CONSIDER NOW FROM THIS DAY AND UPWARD, from the FOUR AND TWENTIETH DAY OF THE NINTH MONTH (KISLEV 24), even from the day that the foundation (Christ, I Cor. 3:11) of the LORD'S temple was laid, CONSIDER IT. Is the seed (grain, wheat, i.e., believers) yet in the barn? (in Heaven? not yet) yea, as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: FROM THIS DAY (Kislev 24) WILL I BLESS YOU."
Kislev 24, 5763 is Sunday, Nov. 29, 2002. I'm considering it as a possible Rapture day too. Agape
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