Pro and Con 955

Posted 10-4-02

Blix to meet Powell; Israel DM says attack on Iraq by end of November

http://www.albawaba.com/headlines/TheNews.php3?action=story&sid=229249&lang=e&dir=News

He spoke after military sources told Israel Radio they now do not expect Iraqi President Saddam Hussein to launch Scud missiles carrying non-conventional warheads at Israel because this would prove to the world that the Americans are right in claiming he has such weapons....

Small Asteroid Could Be Mistaken For Nuclear Blast

By Deborah Zabarenko
http://www.rense.com/general30/asmn.htm
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Even small asteroids that never hit Earth could have deadly consequences, because they might be mistaken for nuclear blasts by nations that lack the equipment to tell the difference, scientists said on Thursday.

One such asteroid event occurred June 6, when U.S. early warning satellites detected a flash over the Mediterranean that indicated an energy release comparable to the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima, U.S. Brig. Gen. Simon Worden told a congressional hearing.

The flash occurred when an asteroid perhaps 10 yards in diameter slammed into Earth's atmosphere, producing a shock wave that would have rattled any vessels in the area and might have caused minor damage, Worden said....

The one that caused the flash over the Mediterranean in June was probably about the size of a car, and was harmless to Earth. Such asteroids hit the atmosphere twice a month.

However, asteroids ranging from about 100 feet to hundreds of yards can cause serious damage, including spawning a powerful shock wave or a tsunami if it lands in an ocean, causing widespread catastrophe if the tsunami occurs near a populated shore....

Large Meteor Strikes Southern Siberia,10-4-2

http://www.rense.com/general30/ffei.htm
(EFE News) - Residents of several villages in the Russian region of Irkutsk watched, with a mixture of awe and fear, the fall of an enormous luminous object in this southern Siberian area. Scientists have identified the object as a meteorite....

According to residents of the villages of Bodaibo, Balajniniski, Mama and Kropotkin, the alleged meteorite left a long trail in the sky before crashing violently against the taiga or Siberian forest.

Witnesses some 100 to 150 kilometers away from the point of impact noted that when the object collided, it caused a huge tremor similar to that of an earthquake, amid a deafening noise. They also remarked that following the impact, sporadic flashes of light were seen in the forested hills. Guelii Zherebtsov of the aforementioned Institute of Solar Physics noted that the celestial body must have been a very large meteorite....

This meteor strike was reminiscent of the Tungunska incident, which occurred in another Siberian region located to the north. On June 30, 1908, an unknown object crashed against the taiga and razed thousands of hectares of forest. The alleged meteorite...had a mass of approximately 100,000 tons and impacted with a force of 40 tons of TNT: 2000 times the power of the Hiroshima A-bomb....razed nearly 2150 sq. km of forest and, as occurred with today's phenomenon, lightning and strange lights were seen at its epicenter hundreds of kilometers away.

SATURN HAS ALREADY ENTERED GEMINI




Astronomer's sign for Saturn.

http://education.vsnl.com/pac_cal/skychart.html
Saturn (Sani): It is visible on the eastern sky from late night to morning twilight, rises about two hours to two and a half hours before local midnight during first half of the month and about two and a half hours to three and a half hours before it during the second half. It is in retrograde motion on 11th. THE PLANET REMAINS IN GEMINI (MITHUNA) THROUGHOUT THE MONTH (October, 2002)... ---
Hurray! I think Gemini will be the Rapture sign.
Also, Saturn will occult Regulus in Leo on Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007), when I think Christ will receive his kingdom. That is perfect, for Regulus is the king star. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Are you guys OK?

IM glad to hear from you I was wondering if you got Raptured without me or if you were in need of anything. Your family in Jesus is at your service.

My reply

I'm fine, and Ed's doctor was very happy with his progress.

We had a flat tire, a couple of "have engine serviced soon" lights to take care of. Besides that, we don't want to miss the baseball playoffs.

I'm working on answering one you sent me (below). Agape

Can the Rapture ONLY HAPPEN on the Feast Days?

Check out
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2002/markc101.htm
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Mark Copfer (1 Oct 2002)
"Can The Rapture Only Happen On A Feast Day?"
...this post was posted on my Blessed Hope Forum from my assistant moderator, Renee... Its an awsome post that I hope you all will enjoy.

...I’ve been watching for the Rapture of the Bride for many years now. And every year at any particular Feast Day the "part-time" Watchers flood the forums and watch along with everyone else. But then when the Feast day is gone, so are those watchers.

Our Dearest and Best said in Matthew 24:44 "Therefore be ye also ready, for in such an hour as ye think not, the Son of man cometh." Now, we can all have our own opinions on this verse, but I think that it lays well with the teaching of our Blessed Redeemer in Luke 18.

Compare these two sections of Scripture. In Luke 18 verses 1-8 the Lord Jesus warns us that faith will be pretty scarce when He returns. Now since the entire Nation of Israel will be in faithful Repentance and mourning while they are BORN AGAIN as a Nation of Believers in their Messiah in ONE day, I don’t believe that we can say that Luke 18 was talking about the second coming.

In my humble opinion, the above two Scripture sections reveal to me that when our Lord DOES come for his Bride at the Snatch, it will be very hard to be Watching for Him. Look at the Widow/unjust judge. How weary it must have been for that poor soul to keep "believing" that that wicked judge would "do anything". Nevertheless, she keep on Believing, and going to him about it. And even though the world, and other "believers" mock on, we too, keep on going to the Father saying, "Come Lord Jesus". Well, like I said at the outset of this post.........it seems easy to watch and get excited for His return on these feast days. Why not other days? Now mind you I am NOT saying that He can’t return on a feast day. He is God and can do whatever He chooses, lol. But I’m just saying that we could be making a "grave error" to just be a "drive-thru" (feasts only) watcher.

Let us ponder some other Scriptures. Beloved ones, we are a New Creation. Seriously! For thousands of years, ever since Abraham there have been Jews and Gentiles. Jews and Gentiles. Even in the days of our Lord and His disciples there were only two choices, Jews and Gentiles. Then, at the creation of the Church. A new entity was born into fruition! WOW, can you imagine? We now have 3 groups of living souls. Jews, Gentiles, and the Church. For IN CHRIST JESUS, there is neither Jew nor Greek (gentile). That would be as astounding as having a 3rd sex show up now, LOL!!! It has always been male and female. You, as a Believer are a NEW Creation in Christ. Awesome.

The Church (True Believers) is a MYSTERY. Don’t ever forget that. It really WAS a mystery in the apostles day, and it still it, but we’ve grown up with churches on every other street corner in most of our neighborhoods so the “mystery” seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle. Look at Romans 11:25: "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this MYSTERY, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." What does this word MYSTERY mean?

Mystery-(Gr) "musterion"-something previously hidden, but now fully revealed. In the N. T. it always means any doctrine that has not, in former times, been made fully known to men. It is found 27 times in the N. T. and not once in the O.T.

So the fact that Israel would experience a temporary "blindness" while lost Gentiles came in wasn’t fully understood in the days before our Adored tabernacled with men. There were hints in the O.T., but most didn’t understand the hints. This was a MYSTERY and Paul, by the Holy Spirit, is revealing it to us. I don’t want to make this post too long so we’ll look at another Scripture too:

Eph. 1: 9 & 10: "Having made known unto us the MYSTERY (that Gentiles should be made partakers of Christ with the Jews, without circumcision and observance of the mosaic law) of His will, according to His good pleasure which He hath purposed in Himself; (10)That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things IN Christ, both which are in Heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him."

Eph. 3: 3-6 and 9:(3)How that by revelation He made known unto me the MYSTERY; (as I wrote afore in few words, (4) Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the MYSTERY of Christ) (5) Which in other ages was NOT MADE KNOWN unto the sons of men, as it is NOW revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; (6) That the Gentiles SHOULD BE FELLOW HEIRS, and of the SAME BODY, and PARTAKERS OF HIS PROMISE IN CHRIST BY THE GOSPEL. (9) And to make all men SEE what is the fellowship of the MYSTERY, which from the beginning of the world hath BEEN HID IN GOD, Who created all things by Jesus Christ.

Eph. 5: 31& 32: (31) For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother and shall be joined unto his wife, and they TWO SHALL BE ONE FLESH. (32) This is A GREAT MYSTERY: but I speak concerning CHRIST AND THE CHURCH.

Col. 1: 26 & 27: (26) Even the MYSTERY (that Gentiles and Jews should be partakers in the same Gospel and be ONE In Christ Jesus) which HATH BEEN HID from ages and from generations, but NOW is made manifest to His SAINTS. (27) To whom God would MAKE KNOWN what is the riches of the glory of this MYSTERY among the Gentiles: which is CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY!!!!

Romans 16: 25 & 26: (25) Now to Him that is of power to stablish you according to my Gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the MYSTERY, which was KEPT SECRET SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN, (26) But now is made MANIFEST, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made KNOW to all nations for the obedience of faith.

We can KNOW that the Church is a MYSTERY now revealed, glory to God! A MYSTERY nonetheless. And the Rapture is ALSO A MYSTERY:

1 Corin. 15: 51: Behold, I SHOW you a MYSTERY!!!! We shall not all sleep, but we shall ALL be changed. (Everyone at this forum can probably quote the next verses by heart, lol)

Now dear ones, now that we have seen that the Church is a MYSTERY and the Rapture is also a MYSTERY, let us think about the Church for a wee bit here. On her birth she was still a Mystery. In the beginning of the book of Acts we find the apostles asking our Lord if He was NOW going to set up His kingdom, etc. They were still thinking like JEWS, lol. And remember the two disciples on the road to Emmaus? (Luke 24) They said in verse 21, "But we trusted that it had been He which SHOULD HAVE REDEEMED ISRAEL."

LOL, little did they know, bless their hearts. They were still thinking like Jews. Now, salvation is of the Jews, and therefore the Holy Spirit WAS poured out on a “Feast Day” because it was a fulfillment of a Promise made to JEWS. But beloved ones, these Jews had NO IDEA that Acts 10 (Cornelius) was going to happen, lol. WOW! No wonder this led to a HUGE SHOWDOWN in Acts 15!!!

THE CHURCH IS A NEW CREATION, A NEW ENTITY!!!! IN Christ Jesus there is neither male or female, Jew nor Greek. WOW! Now let us look at just a couple of more Scriptures. Now, as we have seen, the Rapture is a MYSTERY, and we also see that our Lord Delights in Revealing these Mysteries to His OWN who are watching:

Luke 8: 9 & 10: (9) And His disciples asked Him, saying, "What might this parable be?" (10) And He said, "Unto YOU IT IS GIVEN TO KNOW the MYSTERIES of the kingdom of God: but of others in parables; that seeing they might NOT see, and hearing they might NOT understand."

But when should HIS OWN be Watching? When should the MYSTERY (Church) be Watching for the MYSTERY (Rapture), lol? Just during the Feast Days?? NO!

The Feast Days were given to the JEWS, not to the Church, beloved ones. Of course, we can enjoy these feasts, amen, but let us not be in bondage to them!!!

Colossians chapter two, the whole chapter, should really be read here, but here are just a few verses for those not near a "Sword":

(BEWARE lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, AFTER THE TRADITION OF MEN, after the rudiments of the world, and NOT after Christ. (11) IN WHOM, also ye are circumcised with the circumcision MADE WITHOUT HANDS in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of CHRIST. (16)LET NO MAN THEREFORE JUDGE YOU IN MEAT, OR IN DRINK , OR IN RESPECT OF AN HOLY DAY, OR OF THE NEW MOON, OR OF THE SABBATH DAYS.

And again, in Galations chapter 4 verses 9 - 11 we read Paul rebuking BELIEVERS for being SUCKED back into observing these "feasts and new moon days":

(9) But now, after that ye have KNOWN God, or rather are KNOWN OF GOD, How turn ye AGAIN to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire AGAIN to be IN BONDAGE? (10) Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. (11) I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Dear ones, these "feast days" are for the Jews. Why would our Adored Rapture the Bride (TWO MYSTERIES) on a Old Testament "feast day" when He is wanting us to see that we are NOT under the law?

I believe that we are out of here very soon. We read in news that Swarms of reporters are now heading to Iraq for the WAR. The "drive-thru" watchers are now gone cause there won't be another feast day until Spring. Plenty of time to party and enjoy the world, sigh. Please understand what I am saying here. I’m not condemning anyone for watching on feast days. We should be watching EVERY DAY! I’m just saying that NOW (with the "drive-thru" watchers gone) this truly fits ALL Scriptures, and makes a PERFECT window time for the MYSTERY (Rapture) of the MYSTERY (Bride).

God bless you folks. NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO SAY "MY MASTER DELAYETH".

My reply

> > Can The Rapture Only Happen On A Feast Day?

I can't say that it can or it can't. The Lord can do what he pleases when he pleases. However, Jesus said that he had foretold us ALL things (Mark 13:23). In Rev. 3:3, he told us, "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. IF THEREFORE THOU SHALT NOT WATCH, I WILL COME ON THEE AS A THIEF, AND THOU SHALT NOT KNOW WHAT HOUR (hora, hour, day, instant, season) I WILL COME UPON THEE."

What will we know if we DO watch? Wouldn't it then indicate that if we do watch, he will not come on us as thief, and we shall know what hour he will come upon us?

If we are to be able to figure it out, the chances of it being on a feast day increase. Since we know that the Lord made a plan before the world began, the chances of it being on a feast day increase.

I think any date indicated in Scripture needs to be looked at carefully too, especially dates having to do with Noah or the temple. Jesus indicated that the Rapture was as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37). Noah went into the Ark and the Lord shut the door on Cheshvan 17 (October 23, 2002). He came out one year later, on Cheshvan 27 (Nov. 2, 2002).

We have just passed another Feast of Trumpets (Tishri 1, 5763; Sept. 7, 2002). Ezr 3:6 says, "From the first day of the seventh month (Tishri 1) began they to offer burnt offerings unto the LORD. BUT THE FOUNDATION OF THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD WAS NOT YET LAID."

Hag 2:15,18,19 says, "now, I pray you, CONSIDER FROM THIS DAY AND UPWARD (we go upward in the Rapture), from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the LORD (the Temple Mount Faithful have not been able to lay the cornerstone yet)... CONSIDER NOW from this day and UPWARD, from the FOUR AND TWENTIETH DAY OF THE NINTH MONTH (KISLEV 24, EVE OF HANUKKAH, Dec. 29, 2002), EVEN FROM THE DAY (KISLEV 24) THAT THE FOUNDATION OF THE LORD'S TEMPLE WAS LAID, CONSIDER IT. Is the seed (wheat) yet in the barn (Heaven, as in the parable of the wheat and tares, Mt. 13:30)? yea, as yet the vine ('I am the vine, ye are the branches,' John 15:5), and the fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:6,7), and the pomegranate ('thy temples are like a piece of a pomegranate within thy locks,' Song 4:3), and the olive tree (we are like a wild olive tree grafted in, Rom. 11:24), hath not brought forth: FROM THIS DAY WILL I BLESS YOU."

Maybe we should look at all of Hab. 2 more carefully. There might be some other clues.

Hag 2:1-23: "In the seventh month, in the one and twentieth day of the month (Tishri 21, 7th day of Tabernacles (Sept. 27 in 2002), came the word of the LORD by the prophet Haggai (meaning festive, a clue that the Rapture will be on a feast day?), saying, Speak now to Zerubbabel (scattered in Babylon) the son of Shealtiel (I asked from God), governor of Judah (praised), and to Joshua (Gr. Jesus, meaning YHVH is salvation) the son of Josedech (YHVH is just), the high priest, and to the residue of the people, saying, Who is left among you that saw this house in her first glory? and how do ye see it now? is it not in your eyes in comparison of it as nothing? Yet now be strong, O Zerubbabel (scattered in Babylon) , saith the LORD; and be strong, O Joshua (Gr., Jesus), son of Josedech (YHVH the just), the high priest; and be strong, all ye people of the land, saith the LORD, and work: for I AM WITH YOU, saith the LORD of hosts (Christ, Isa. 44:6): According to the word that I covenanted with you when ye came out of Egypt, so my spirit (Spirit of Christ, Spirit of God, Rom. 8:9), remaineth among you (after the 1st Rapture): fear ye not. For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is A LITTLE WHILE (to the end of the Shortened Tribulation), and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land (Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets); And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations (Christ) shall come (7 months later, Eze. 39:12,13, i.e., Nisan 1, Eze. 29:17,21; Hos. 6:3, in a Jewish Leap Year): and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts (Christ, YHVH of hosts, Isa. 44:6). The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts (Christ, Isa. 44:6). The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace (after the Second Advent), saith the LORD of hosts (Christ). In the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, in the second year of Darius (governor), came the word of the LORD by Haggai (festive) the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts (Christ, Isa. 44:6); Ask now the priests concerning the law, saying, If one bear holy flesh in the skirt of his garment, and with his skirt do touch bread, or pottage, or wine, or oil, or any meat, shall it be holy? And the priests answered and said, No. Then said Haggai (festive), If one that is unclean by a dead body touch any of these, shall it be unclean? And the priests answered and said, It shall be unclean. Then answered Haggai (festive), and said, So is this people, and so is this nation before me, saith the LORD; and so is every work of their hands; and that which they offer there is unclean. And now, I pray you, CONSIDER FROM THIS DAY AND UPWARD, from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the LORD: Since those days were, when one came to an heap of twenty measures, there were but ten: when one came to the pressfat for to draw out fifty vessels out of the press, there were but twenty. I smote you with blasting and with mildew and with hail in all the labours of your hands; yet ye turned not to me, saith the LORD. CONSIDER FROM THIS DAY AND UPWARD, FROM THE FOUR AND TWENTIETH DAY OF THE NINTH MONTH (Kislev 24, Eve of Hanukkah, Nov. 29 in 2002, when Hanukkah will start at 6 PM), EVEN FROM THE DAY THAT THE FOUNDATION OF THE LORD'S TEMPLE WAS LAID, CONSIDER IT. Is the seed (wheat) yet in the barn (Heaven, Mt. 13:30)? yea, as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: FROM THIS DAY (KISLEV 24) WILL I BLESS YOU (1ST RAPTURE?).

Hanukkah

http://www.templemountfaithful.org/

"During the upcoming festival of Hanukkah in early December (starts Nov. 29 and continues 8 days), the Temple Mount Faithful Movement will hold another major march from the tombs of the Maccabees, the liberators of the Temple Mount and the land of Israel from foreign control, to the Temple Mount."

I wonder if they will be allowed to place the cornerstone on the temple mount then.

"And AGAIN the word of the LORD came unto Haggai (festive) in the four and twentieth day of the month (Kislev 24, when Hannukah comes at 6 PM), saying, Speak to Zerubbabel (scattered in Babylon) , governor of Judah (praised), saying, I will shake the heavens and the earth (1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord, Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets); And I will overthrow the throne (i.e., the False Prophet) of kingdoms (the UN), and I will destroy the strength of the kingdoms of the heathen; and I will overthrow the chariots, and those that ride in them; and the horses and their riders (Rev. 6) shall come down, every one by the sword of his brother.

"In THAT DAY (1ST DAY OF THE MILLENNIAL DAY OF THE LORD, FEAST OF TRUMPETS), saith the LORD of hosts, WILL I TAKE THEE (LAQACH, SEIZE, CARRY AWAY, TAKE UP, I.E., 2ND RAPTURE), O ZERUBBABEL (SCATTERED IN BABYLON), my servant, the son of Shealtiel (I asked from God), saith the LORD, and will make thee as a signet (a signature-ring, a seal, Mal 3:17: 'And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels,' i.e., all of them, from both Raptures): for I have chosen thee, saith the LORD of hosts." Rev. 18:4 speaks of the Pre-Wrath Rapture on that Feast of Trumpets. It says, "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Babylon is destroyed later that day. The mountain burning with fire of Rev. 8:8 impacts the Mediterranean Sea at noon (Zeph. 2:3-5). The asteroid of Rev. 8:10 destroys Babylon at the same time.

Job 20:23 says, "When he (the False Prophet) is about to fill his belly, God shall cast the fury of his wrath upon him, and shall rain it upon him while he is eating."

> > The Feast Days were given to the JEWS, not to the Church, beloved ones.

That could be because the Age of the Jews preceded the Age of the Church. How about Pentecost? It applied to the Church. What Christ did to fulfill Passover, Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits certainly was for the Church as well as the Jews

> > these “feast days” are for the Jews. Why would our Adored Rapture the Bride (TWO MYSTERIES) on a Old Testament “feast day” when He is wanting us to see that we are NOT under the law?

It seems that the Lord planned the important events before the world began. Then he set the feasts on those dates. Since we are not sure if it will be on a feast day, we should keep watching. I think something will happen that will alert us before the Rapture takes place.

Luke 21:25,28 says, "there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves (big and small nations, Rev. 17:15) roaring...And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." We have had signs in the Sun, Moon and Constellations. I think we are past this point. The Rapture is nigh.

The Bulge on the Southern Wall of the Temple Mount Becomes Larger

http://www.templemountfaithful.org/
On 8-27-02, the archaeologists of the Israeli Antiquities Authority warned that the southern wall of the Temple Mount is in great imminent danger of collapsing. They stated that the bulge in the wall has become much larger. Last year the bulge was 70 cm [2.25 feet] and was 30 meters [98 feet] long. The bulge has now increased to over one meter [3 feet] and is much longer. The bulge was first noticed after Tisha b’Av last year immediately after the Temple Mount Faithful had carried the cornerstone for the Third Temple to the area in front of the southern wall of the Temple Mount....

High-level officials meet about dangers of southern wall of Temple Mount

The 35-foot- wide bulge in the wall has now pushed outward one meter from the existing wall.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/PrinterFull&cid=1033392583130
Hurray! During the upcoming festival of Hanukkah in early December, the Temple Mount Faithful Movement will hold another major march from the tombs of the Maccabees, the liberators of the Temple Mount and the land of Israel from foreign control, to the Temple Mount.

Incoming email, Re: Glorious auroras

Have you noticed the frequency of beautiful auroras in these days?
http://science.nasa.gov/spaceweather/aurora/gallery_01oct02.html
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Aurora Gallery, Sept. 30-Oct. 2, 2002
Summary: A solar wind shock wave (a coronal mass ejection hurled into space by an explosion near sunspot 134) swept past Earth on Sept 30th and triggered a moderate geomagnetic storm. One day later, on Oct. 1st, Earth entered a solar wind stream flowing from a coronal hole on the Sun. Solar wind gusts triggered a strong (G3-class) geomagnetic storm and widespread Northern Lights.

My reply

Not until now. Thanks. I had to look at every one of them. They're simply gorgeous. Agape

Incoming email, Re: "MEET"

the link below will give the 4 place the Greek word for "meet" is used. A carefull analysis of each passage other that the Rapture passabe does indicate the work is used with the meaning to "go out to meet" with the idea of escorting back to the destination of the person who has just been met.

But, NO I AM NOT POST TRIB. ---
http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=529&version=

My reply

Mt. 25:1,6 says, "Then shall the kingdom of HEAVEN be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth TO MEET (eis apantesin, for a meeting [Young's] ) the bridegroom....And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out TO MEET (eis apantesin) him."

Verse 1 is an introduction. At a coming time, the kingdom of heaven can be likened to ten virgins who went forth. In v. 6, when the cry was heard, all 10 virgins went out to meet the Bridegroom, but not one of them went with the Bridegroom at that moment. They arose and trimmed their lamps first. Then the foolish virgins went to buy oil. By verse 10, we find out that "the bridegroom came; and they that were ready (i.e., had enough oil, symbol of the Holy Spirit) went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut."

If it weren't for other scriptures, the marriage of v. 10 could be at the bride's house. However, v. 1's mention of the kingdom of heaven suggests that the marriage will be in Heaven. Also, in John 14:1-3, Jesus said, "In my Father's house are many mansions...I go to prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."

Acts 28:15 says, "And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came TO MEET (eis apantesin, for a meeting) us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage."

Verse 15 doesn't say that they went back into Rome with Paul. The next verse says, when WE came to Rome. That shows us that they did escort Paul to his destination. More explanation was needed, because "to meet" in v. 15 didn't tell us that they escorted Paul to his destination.

1Th 4:16,17 says, "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, TO MEET (eis apantesin, for a meeting) the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

The meeting in the air doesn't give us the exact destination afterward. We get that from other scriptures. One is "Come up hither" when Heaven's door is open in Rev. 4:1.

Thus, I think "eis apantesin" merely means "to meet." Agape

His reply, Re: "MEET"

One thing for SURE, the fulfillment of "and so shall we ever be with the Lord" will suffice for us all, no matter where we are after the meeting. Amen?

My reply

You bet. Agape

I found a source for the anchor cross sign on my Home Page

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/solar_snap_000622.html
There is an animation of the anchor cross sign in the Sun there too.

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